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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 12:45:00 AM

Title: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/a-civil-rights-leader-has-disguised-herself-as-black-for-yea#.hpP8y2kDz1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHQN5jFUYAAW1OT.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHRI4hrW8AIsat3.png)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHRUal-W8AAIHSL.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHRNn8PUcAAqjDJ.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHROpAYWUAE34l3.jpg)

:cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac :cac
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 12, 2015, 12:50:41 AM
this is one of those gold and white / blue and black dress things?  ???

or just think, anyone among you could be white, very John Carpenter's The Thing
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: toku on June 12, 2015, 12:51:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fmANcs9.gif)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: mormapope on June 12, 2015, 12:54:51 AM
In the facebook pic, she says that's her son and father.

She adopted kids, but can you legally adopt parents?

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/can-you-legally-adopt-an-adult

 :leon
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 12, 2015, 01:00:30 AM
In the facebook pic, she says that's her son and father.

She adopted kids, but can you legally adopt parents?

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/can-you-legally-adopt-an-adult

 :leon

Time to upgrade brehs. :rejoice

Chrono will you be my dad? :tocry
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 12, 2015, 01:00:54 AM
wasn't there a guy on GAF that said that he identified as a different race and that it wasn't too different from transgendered people?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 12, 2015, 01:01:02 AM
you forgot to include the most important part: that she climbed her way to the top of the Spokane naacp, all while pretending to be black. her real parents are white as helmanns and telling reporters they don't know wtf her deal is.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 12, 2015, 01:01:52 AM
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scust.png)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 01:02:26 AM
you forgot to include the most important part: that she climbed her way to the top of the Spokane naacp, all while pretending to be black. her real parents are white as helmanns and telling reporters they don't know wtf her deal is.
It's all in the buzzfeed link. I've been laughing for hours now. :lol

wasn't there a guy on GAF that said that he identified as a different race and that it wasn't too different from transgendered people?

:deadpos
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 12, 2015, 01:02:43 AM
I MEAN DUDE:

https://twitter.com/deray/status/609179032006041601
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2015, 01:06:47 AM
Not sure if it's true, but I've read that local NAACP chapters are fairly autonomous, which is one of the reasons you keep getting wtf stories like this, the guy who said Donovan McNabb was playing "too white," and Donald Sterling buying a lifetime achievement award.  No idea how true that is.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 12, 2015, 01:07:51 AM
I MEAN DUDE:

https://twitter.com/deray/status/609179032006041601
I...I don't understand..
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 12, 2015, 01:08:40 AM
OMG HER HUSBAND WROTE HER A SONG
https://youtu.be/_u-AKfb5MwQ
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 12, 2015, 01:13:16 AM
OMG HER HUSBAND WROTE HER A SONG
https://youtu.be/_u-AKfb5MwQ

Using a ruled Moleskine? :gurl

Do you also call your boss "mom" and cut the crust off your PB&J sandwich? :hitler
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 01:14:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/mZiF1ql.gif)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 12, 2015, 01:15:22 AM
lololol this lady is amazing

http://downtrend.com/71superb/naacp-chapter-president-caught-faking-a-hate-crime
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: dkdk on June 12, 2015, 01:15:40 AM
the fuckery is too damn high.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 01:18:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHRA52KWgAEKD_t.jpg)

I might literally die laughing tonight.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 12, 2015, 01:21:13 AM
ugh, spokane
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 01:24:06 AM
Yakub really leveled up his alchemy points.
:whew

Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 12, 2015, 01:35:47 AM
A physical manifestation of the average The Coli user?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 01:42:38 AM
I don't really see the issue.

You gonna pretend you know another person's identity better than they do?  :gurl

it's the natural progression of things breh
(http://i.imgur.com/m9HYXfA.jpg)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on June 12, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WrDCJoX.jpg)
:whew


It's 2015 brehs. Black is black.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 12, 2015, 01:43:33 AM
I haven't stopped laughing yet


The fuck is going on in this world  :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 12, 2015, 01:45:51 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHRA52KWgAEKD_t.jpg)

I might literally die laughing tonight.

jesus christ almighty  :neogaf
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 01:50:09 AM
If you follow me on twitter, check my timeline. Or just search the #AskRachel. Black twitter really outdid themselves this time.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2015, 01:56:49 AM
Black Like Me 2: Black in the Habit
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 12, 2015, 02:09:40 AM
https://twitter.com/WatchYaMouthBro/status/609209002979930112

Goodnight everybody  :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 02:18:38 AM
Her husband won tho. Redbone for the week, pawg for the weekend.
:rejoice

Becky Piccolonia
(http://i.imgur.com/8ISIdcZ.png)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 02:23:19 AM
https://youtu.be/X2y2OGNyArg

Yeah I'd smash :hitler
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 12, 2015, 02:45:55 AM
Man and just today someone asked me if my work was stressful and I said, "Stressful?! Ha! I used to be black!"

I thought it was a good joke but now....
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 12, 2015, 03:59:04 AM
She was a professor? :lol
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Your Stalker on June 12, 2015, 04:10:29 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHQ30V-UAAAslyE.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 07:31:38 AM
She was a professor? :lol
Not was, is.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 12, 2015, 09:48:07 AM
She was a professor? :lol
Not was, is.
adjunct professor, that's like being the sixth man, or on the practice squad if you will.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2015, 10:10:09 AM
To be fair almost all profs her age are adjuncts.  Its just the way academia is going. 
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 12, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
And people believed it? ???
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
I should pretend to be black so I could be 6 foot 2, muscular and handsome and make Southern white girls feel rebellious.   
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Rufus on June 12, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
And people believed it? ???
That's what's most surprising to me. People actually believed her?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: studyguy on June 12, 2015, 10:51:21 AM
It's not weird, personally I choose to identify as a trans-racial slinky-kin.

(http://i.imgur.com/99aR8mV.gif)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 11:04:43 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHTfcaVUkAEIi5y.jpg)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 12, 2015, 11:05:05 AM
Well, this is something
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 12, 2015, 11:16:08 AM
She was a professor? :lol
Not was, is.
adjunct professor, that's like being the sixth man, or on the practice squad if you will.

Like 75% of academia is adjunct.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 12, 2015, 11:44:44 AM
She was a professor? :lol
Not was, is.
adjunct professor, that's like being the sixth man, or on the practice squad if you will.
Like 75% of academia is adjunct.
and most of the Cavaliers aren't Lebron.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 04:40:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHSF7CEUsAAeB_b.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 04:42:21 PM
Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/opinion/sunday/what-makes-a-woman.html
Imagine the reaction if a young white man suddenly declared that he was trapped in the wrong body and, after using chemicals to change his skin pigmentation and crocheting his hair into twists, expected to be embraced by the black community.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 04:43:18 PM
I see a lot of people using the term "transracial." As a black trans woman the mere suggestion is offensive. The fact people are connecting this to trannsexuality makes me want to punch a fucking wall. Not only does it undermine my transgender brothers and sisters struggle, it completely undermines the life experiences of racial minorities by suggesting white people can just easily jump in and out whenever they want without repercussion. Us black people can't change our race, you can however, change your gender, and the transracial thing makes me want to do a Looney Tunes esque spit take. At the end of the day, this lady is still white. She lied about her history and background, us transsexual are just trying to express who we are as individuals. Race is hereditary, gender is social. just the hint of comparing the two, while saying some white lady can pretend to be black makes me want to punch shit.

I have read things like "this lady has done more for the black community than these black people sitting behind their keyboards" It makes me want to choke a fucker. The NAACP, when it first got off the ground was started by whites, and the only affluent in the black community were allowed to join and have a voice. People like W.E.B Dubois had to pass paper bag tests in order to join the NAACP, and anyone darker in tone than a paper bag was not allowed to join. Even when an organization is created to claim to speak for black people, we weren't allowed to be a part of it unless we were light skinned. And he we are, 100 years later, and some fucking chick who puts on bronzer pretends to be black and people are talking about how oh so much better she did the job than actual black people. I spit on this entire situation. It makes me sick.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 04:44:37 PM
On a lighter note, the memes from black twitter are fucking amazing.

(http://i.imgur.com/0PI3675.jpg)

:sabu
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 04:46:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXa2ZeR7Jk
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: studyguy on June 12, 2015, 04:50:40 PM
She'd fit right in within certain circles in Japan tho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe4AZRkFYE)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/24ab85e4afeb3478c9eeb47d756ede83/tumblr_inline_mwtyw0d0NZ1s9053f.png)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
She's obviously done good things and has fought for civil rights/justice in cities. I'll give her dap for that. Obviously pretending to be black is wack but at the same time...isn't it somewhat endearing that someone hated being white so much that they pretended to be black? Usually it's the other way around, historically, so perhaps we can look at Rachel and see progress.
 :whew
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 04:58:42 PM
:sabu you are a damn fool
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 05:08:32 PM
The people who are actually serious about the whole transracial/transethnic nonsense are the worst part of all of this. If the Caitlyn Jenner story wasn't so fresh in their minds, they wouldn't be trying to make such a shitty argument.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Supermanisdead on June 12, 2015, 05:10:38 PM
She's a pioneer in the transethnic movement. I hope to follow her lead.

Call me Sasuke  :expert
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
hello sasuke-kun
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 05:38:58 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/is-spokane-naacp-leader-really-black/2015/06/12/7d08153c-111d-11e5-a0fe-dccfea4653ee_video.html
She said that she doesn't like the phrase "African American" and prefers to be called black. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Gb9kK8HGk

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Lawrence Dolezal said his daughter was involved in Voice of Calvary, a “racial reconciliation community development project where blacks and whites lived together,” while at Belhaven University in Jackson, Miss.

“You speak and sound and act and take on the mannerisms of the culture you live in,” he said. When Rachel applied to Howard University to study art with a portfolio of “exclusively African American portraiture,” the university “took her for a black woman” and gave her a full scholarship.

“You’ve got a white woman coming in that got a full-ride scholarship to the black Harvard,” Lawrence Dolezal said. “And ever since then she’s been involved in social justice advocacy for African Americans. She assimilated into that culture so strongly that that’s where she transferred her identity.”

He added: “But unfortunately, she is not ethnically by birth African American. She is our daughter by birth. And that’s the way it is.”
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: studyguy on June 12, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
Scholarship bit is so :snoop
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 05:53:22 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/12/if-rachel-dolezal-isnt-black-how-is-caitlyn-jenner-a-woman/

 :hitler
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 06:00:35 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/12/if-rachel-dolezal-isnt-black-how-is-caitlyn-jenner-a-woman/

 :hitler

(http://i.imgur.com/ViUhZmo.gif)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: StealthFan on June 12, 2015, 06:09:34 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/12/if-rachel-dolezal-isnt-black-how-is-caitlyn-jenner-a-woman/

 :hitler
:ohhh
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHVY0NnUkAE3cza.jpg)
:dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/rachel-dolezal-responds-to-claims/vi-BBl1xvm?ocid=sf

She's not giving up her counterfeit black card without a fight.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 07:21:30 PM
yo :dead

(http://i.imgur.com/UNucMLO.jpg)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 08:28:02 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/rachel-dolezal-responds-to-claims/vi-BBl1xvm?ocid=sf

She's not giving up her counterfeit black card without a fight.
Good for her, after all her people have been through she just can't roll over.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2015, 08:54:26 PM
Prolly just did it to get on Black People Welfare for the free lobsters and Cadillacs.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: StealthFan on June 12, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2015, 10:04:18 PM
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

"If we can get this shit accepted, it's only a matter of time before transageism and I get to declare myself a teenager..."  :ohhh
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 12, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

"If we can get this shit accepted, it's only a matter of time before transageism and I get to declare myself a teenager..."  :ohhh

:dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 10:10:26 PM
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

There are documented scientific literature proving transsexuality's existence. Please provide me with scientific suveys on transracialism. Further, transracialism mostly only benefits light skinned people who choose to pretend to be darker. The same thing cannot apply for dark skin people who choose to be lighter unless they're already mixed, and in which case they're racially ambiguous to begin with. It cannot be transracialism if only one side can gain the benefit of the transition. Thus, it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 10:25:51 PM
http://nationalreport.net/americas-bigotry-towards-transracialism-and-why-it-needs-to-end/
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Tyrone had your average American upbringing. He never suffered physical or sexual abuse from his maternal white parents. His father was a plumber who brought home a decent wage. His mother was a supervisor at the DMV. Nothing about Tyrone’s childhood seems to be particularly out of the ordinary.

“I never felt like I belonged, know what I’m sayin’? My parents were good to me, for sure. I love my folks. But it was just like, I don’t know… It was like their traditions weren’t my own. Then one day I was out with some friends, driving around ‘n sh*t. We were all still in high school at the time. Lookin’ for chicks, an all that. My buddy Pete puts in this album he just bought. It was Dr. Dre’s ‘The Chronic’. From that first cut I was hooked. So many pieces fell into place in my head. My alienation. Why I could never connect with my white parents… It was because was an African American trapped in a white man’s body.”

Tyrone accentuates his “black” appearance with a wardrobe filled with FUBU brand products and cosmetically darkening his skin tone. He looks like your average appreciator of hip hop culture but with a face painted in a dark brown hue with bright red lipstick outlining his mouth in a comical frown.

Some people are accusing Tyrone of being racist, pointing out that he’s doing little more than wearing offensive black face. Tyrone tells National Report this couldn’t be further from the truth.

“When I go out in my makeup people are always yelling obscenities at me, right. They call me a bigot, a wigger, they ask if I’m joking or just trying to start a fight. I’ve been threatened. I’ve been attacked in public places where others just stood by and watched. I’ve been refused service at restaurants.”

“I’ve encountered persecution equal to or greater than that of the LGBTQ community and my story seems to garner no sympathy from the same media that promotes Caitlyn Jenner. I’m accused of racism because of how I choose to present myself. Because of the makeup I wear to feel more comfortable in my skin? African American’s aren’t shunned for using skin lightening treatments. No one calls transsexuals misogynists for wearing lipstick and eyeliner. Why is my story so different?
horrible humor done seriously :lawd
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 12, 2015, 10:26:41 PM
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

There are documented scientific literature proving transsexuality's existence. Please provide me with scientific suveys on transracialism. Further, transracialism mostly only benefits light skinned people who choose to pretend to be darker. The same thing cannot apply for dark skin people who choose to be lighter unless they're already mixed, and in which case they're racially ambiguous to begin with. It cannot be transracialism if only one side can gain the benefit of the transition. Thus, it doesn't exist.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.176432.1314069853!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/alg-michael-jackson-jpg.jpg)

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Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: headwalk on June 12, 2015, 10:57:39 PM
don't worry, she'll be dead in a few decades just like everyone else.

worms don't pass judgement.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 11:05:53 PM
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

There are documented scientific literature proving transsexuality's existence. Please provide me with scientific suveys on transracialism. Further, transracialism mostly only benefits light skinned people who choose to pretend to be darker. The same thing cannot apply for dark skin people who choose to be lighter unless they're already mixed, and in which case they're racially ambiguous to begin with. It cannot be transracialism if only one side can gain the benefit of the transition. Thus, it doesn't exist.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.176432.1314069853!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/alg-michael-jackson-jpg.jpg)

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Michael Jackson is definitely a special case.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: StealthFan on June 12, 2015, 11:16:52 PM
Plenty of dark actors and singer bleach their skin. Vin Diesel doesn't look remotely black anymore.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2015, 11:39:23 PM
That's because he doesn't have hair anymore.

With hair, it's a totally different case.

(http://i.imgur.com/6pWY3v1.jpg)

And actors and singers bleaching themselves does not lend credence towards transracialism existing.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 13, 2015, 12:34:31 AM
complain about "tumblr culture" going too far but then argue the existence of transracialism :lol

get the entire fuck out
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 01:02:11 AM
complain about "tumblr culture" going too far but then argue the existence of transracialism :lol

get the entire fuck out

who did this
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 10:18:41 AM
http://jezebel.com/rachel-dolezal-definitely-nailed-the-hair-ill-give-her-1710899988?rev=1434127176258

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My favorite Rachel Dolezal black hair moment is when girlfriend broke out the HEADWRAP—looking like a lighter version of Erykah Badu. This is damn near a street style shot at Afropunk.

NO.

IT DOES NOT.

(http://i.imgur.com/ViUhZmo.gif)

Her hair looks like SHIT. It looks like a weave or a wig and looks like a dry frizzled hot MESS.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 13, 2015, 10:27:07 AM
http://jezebel.com/rachel-dolezal-definitely-nailed-the-hair-ill-give-her-1710899988?rev=1434127176258

Quote
My favorite Rachel Dolezal black hair moment is when girlfriend broke out the HEADWRAP—looking like a lighter version of Erykah Badu. This is damn near a street style shot at Afropunk.

NO.

IT DOES NOT.

(http://i.imgur.com/ViUhZmo.gif)

Her hair looks like SHIT. It looks like a weave or a wig and looks like a dry frizzled hot MESS.

So natural, then?  :heh

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan  :lawd
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 10:36:29 AM
Natural hair should not look dry or frizzled. :what

Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 01:58:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/2tItTDC.gif)

Keep trying, Walrus
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2015, 02:24:45 PM
Vin Diesel is black?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 02:26:52 PM
Mixed
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2015, 02:30:11 PM
I would never have thought that he was black given that he likes D&D.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: mormapope on June 13, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
Always looked Italian to me. Meh.

He played an Italian in a court drama called Find me Guilty:

(http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/find_me_guilty01.jpg)

Movie is alright.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
He's half Italian half black. This is why his roles are either Italian or Black. Dude started out his Hollywood career struggling because no one wanted an Italian who was that racially ambiguous and no one wanted a black actor who is that light. So he made a short about being an racially ambiguous outcast. It got passed around, Spielberg caught wind of it and gave him a chance in Saving Private Ryan. It is no coincidence that a half black half italian actor who was told he couldn't be ______ is the lead actor in a franchise that stresses that the idea of family goes beyond racial and cultural lines.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: StealthFan on June 13, 2015, 02:37:27 PM
Dominic Toretto isn't an Italian character though.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 02:38:38 PM
I think you missed my point.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: StealthFan on June 13, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
I've seen Multifacial (and Strays which is terribad). I get it. I am just pointing out that Toretto isn't Italian.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 03:01:34 PM
Yea you're right
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 13, 2015, 03:27:50 PM
Toretto isn't Italian.

Newsfeed.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 03:59:36 PM
Remember when I brought up the paper bag test

http://thegrio.com/2015/06/13/rachel-dolezal-brother-dont-blow-my-cover/


This woman has no shame :rofl
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Rufus on June 13, 2015, 04:01:25 PM
Completely believed her own bullshit. Kind of impressive. I'd call it shameless, but she clearly believes.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2015, 04:04:18 PM
Remember when I brought up the paper bag test

http://thegrio.com/2015/06/13/rachel-dolezal-brother-dont-blow-my-cover/


This woman has no shame :rofl

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“She puts dark makeup on her face and says she black. It’s basically blackface.”
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 04:05:28 PM
My grandma had to pretend to be white in order to teach and get a job in segregated Texas in a time when doing so was illegal and would equate to jail time and this fucking BITCH does it and people call it transracial :rofl

White privilege in action
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 13, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
Fox must be having a field day with this
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2015, 04:21:56 PM
The woman's a saint.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 13, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
Remember when I brought up the paper bag test

http://thegrio.com/2015/06/13/rachel-dolezal-brother-dont-blow-my-cover/


This woman has no shame :rofl

Rachel Dolezal gave lectures on ‘nappiness’ and ‘the brown paper bag test’, once told student she didn’t look ‘Hispanic enough’

 :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 13, 2015, 04:29:01 PM
complain about "tumblr culture" going too far but then argue the existence of transracialism :lol

get the entire fuck out

who did this

no one here

but god damn I never thought I'd see the day where transracialism is discussed in any kind of way except condescending mockery
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 13, 2015, 04:40:43 PM
Race, like gender, has no scientific basis. They are both social constructs. I don't see how someone can tell someone that the way they self-identify is wrong in any instance. Even the age thing to an extent since we all know that time is a flat circle.

Since things like race and gender are entirely dependent on consensus of society, if she was accepted as black by her husband, children, friends, colleagues, peers, etc. then what is the scandal? It's easy to make jokes about her but it's easy to make jokes about anything. She obviously had no malicious intent. She certainly didn't identify as black to hurt transgender people. Maybe we should try to be more empathetic?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: StealthFan on June 13, 2015, 04:51:07 PM
How is race a social construct? :snoop Black skin isn't my imagination. Neither are different features that blacks, hispanics, etc have.

Are you trolling or not?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 13, 2015, 04:54:34 PM
I don't even know what's going on here  :(
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
The scandal is that she lied to gain a position in power. She's a university teacher. This is a problem. She's the president of a national organization. That's a problem. She pretended her adopted black brother was her son. She asked a stranger to pose as her father. That's a problem. She got a free ride to Howard, applying that she was black, that's a problem.

I am going to deconstruct the premise of your post.

The very word race was created in the beginning to flex white superiority and colonialism. Its very purpose from the beginning was to divide and conquer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

As it is, race as we know it, is a fairly modern concept. You are correct, it is a social construct.

Gender comparatively, while also being a social construct in terms of roles, is still a psychological requirement as a part of human identity. It's one of the things that keeps up sane. Studies have shown that people who have their gender identity taken away from them spiral into a pool of depression. It's one of the many reasons Alan Turing killed himself when he was given estrogen or how men become depressed when their testosterone levels get low.

You say that gender is a social construct and not observable by science and you are completely, 100% flat on your face incorrect.

http://www.isna.org/faq/concealment
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/02/us/study-links-brain-to-transsexuality.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-science-of-transgender-20140730
http://m.mic.com/articles/109652/being-transgender-is-not-a-phase-science-just-proved-what-trans-kids-have-known-all-along

Also, one must make the distinction between racial and cultural. The woman may culturally identify with black people; this does not make her black. An Afro Latino identifies with being Latino, that does not make them Spanish. She may have had a black husband; that doesn't make her black.

Empathy is important, true. But empathy does not mean the criticisms she has garnered are not legitimate or deserved. Empathy in this case means not harassing her, it doesn't mean calling her on her shit. And in this case especially, "empathy" is merely a tool for people to not only excuse the lies and fraud she has committed but hand waving black and Trans struggle at the same time while propping up petty white supremacist arguments like trying to be "understanding" when this woman manipulated her community, took away potential leadership positions from actual black people (hello Mormapope, fuck you) while ignoring historical cases like my dear grandma. Historically, black people who could pass as white did so for survival and to put food on their table. She didn't need to do either.

I will not empathize with white supremacy.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 05:06:23 PM
And another doozie:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304854804579234030532617704
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
How is race a social construct? :snoop Black skin isn't my imagination. Neither are different features that blacks, hispanics, etc have.

Are you trolling or not?

I assume he's arguing race is a social construct whereas ethnicity is biological/genetic.

Not that I'm taking a side in what I assume is a troll debate, but race and gender are similar in terms of being social constructs. Whereas ethnicity and sex are biological - ie if you have XX chromosomes you're genetically female. A transgender person identifies as another gender, but their genetic makeup (sex) remains the same. I suppose the argument being made here is that transracial would work the same way. A person would identify as another race but their genetic makeup (ethnicity) would remain the same. And thus they'd argue they were born in the wrong body.

Again I am NOT saying I believe this, I'm just wrapping my head around it. If anything...I kind of wonder whether it's unfair to dismiss this idea as not having scientific merit/evidence, when the same thing could have been said about transsexualism not long ago.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
I think it's a fair argument to not dismiss pursuing scientific evidence, but basing this one case, of this one qaucked out lady who uses a stranger to pretend he's her father, as a means of comparison to trans people is not only a false equivalence, it is (http://i.imgur.com/eqAXBnu.gif) worthy. People are already using the argument to use transphobic arguments that we are similarly manipulative. This woman and her situation could make things better or worse for us. Time will tell. So far, I'm leaning on worse.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mandark on June 13, 2015, 06:12:56 PM
"If you want us to treat transsexuals as human beings, then you must also accept transracialism" is the new "gay marriage will lead to horse-fucking."
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2015, 06:27:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9Gup6L1.jpg)
:mindblown

Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 06:29:41 PM
:dead

SCREAMING
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 13, 2015, 06:43:01 PM
The fuckery just keeps getting more fuckerous. Holy shit.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2015, 07:07:50 PM
Honestly this is going to be called the pinnacle of performance art in the coming years.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 07:10:30 PM
She's going to cash in, maybe write a book, and have this licensed for a TV show, play, or movie. More irony, she didn't like The Help because a white woman cashed on a black woman's struggle. :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mandark on June 13, 2015, 07:12:00 PM
You ever read a post or comment online about some racial issue which ends in "oh and also I'm black so don't play the race card" and you're 99% sure the person is white as Carson Daly?

This is like creating a whole lifestyle based on that.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2015, 07:12:58 PM
Man a reality TV show where she tries to fill positions in her fake black family.  I'd so watch that. 
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 07:15:51 PM
You ever read a post or comment online about some racial issue which ends in "oh and also I'm black so don't play the race card" and you're 99% sure the person is white as Carson Daly?

This is like creating a whole lifestyle based on that.

I have been reading more and more of these since Ferguson. They usually start with "I'm black and I don't approve of these riots and them acting like COMPLETE ANIMALS." I don't get it. It's like some hyper warped version of concern trolling.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 13, 2015, 07:35:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9Gup6L1.jpg)
:mindblown



#levels
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: mormapope on June 13, 2015, 07:38:48 PM
The biggest question I have is, how in the fuck did this go unchecked for so long? Long being more than a week or a month.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 07:47:05 PM
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Rachel went on tell the white reporter that it’s more important for her to clarify this with the Black community than it is to “explain it to a community that I, quite frankly, don’t think really understands the definitions of race and ethnicity” — which basically means, ‘You white people just don’t understand me.’.

http://www.lovebscott.com/news/rachel-dolezal-says-shes-still-black-i-dont-give-two-shts-what-you-guys-think

 :huh :what
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2015, 07:53:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7idWWEe.jpg)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: headwalk on June 13, 2015, 08:49:17 PM
himuro really fucking hates this woman. it's like a puddles vendetta but with more emoticons.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 13, 2015, 09:05:14 PM
Whereas ethnicity and sex are biological - ie if you have XX chromosomes you're genetically female.
If we're defining ethnicity as haplotypic likeness among a given population, sure. But imo that's far removed from what 'ethnicity' means the majority of the time its used and any distinctions made between differentiating ethnicity A and ethnicity B are going to be arbitrary. Dolezal isn't looking to rearrange her alleles in order to contract sickle cell anemia, she's emulating black American culture, which, to me at least, puts this squarely within the cultural appropriation debate. Himu brought up how she has a 'mask' of blackness that she can potentially take off and assume whiteness, which many black Americans can't do and Himu rightly felt angry about. That reminded me of the transableism discussion from last week; I think that's the parallel you wanna draw with transracialism (which I'm still not convinced comprises an actual subculture: I googled and found a) the nationalreport article that benji posted a while back -which it should be noted featured a jpeg of a guy in blackface, bang-up job benji- and b) a whole slew of medical shit my social science brain couldn't handle defining it as 'racial dysphoria,' which could constitute its own post about the pathologization of deviant behavior :foucauxpert).
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Racial dysphoria. Compare it to gender identity dysphoria, which is the medical condition described for transsexuality. A big problem with transracial definition is that the definition many are using here does not correspond with the actual definition in the dictionary. That's because, from what I know, it does not have a scientific label. Is there an actual culture or community of these people? Do they have support groups? Do they have suicide hotlines? The trans comparison just makes me want to cut someone even more.

Another takeaway is this, as a white women, she could only really be the lightest of black skin tones. That in itself is privilege.

himuro really fucking hates this woman. it's like a puddles vendetta but with more emoticons.

I don't hate her. I hate what she's caused with her foolishness.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2015, 01:07:52 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHamrtwUkAAIt40.jpg:large)

And from the FIRST PAGE of that book:

Quote from: Courtesy of Amazon's Look Inside feature
First, let's get the disclaimer out of the way. This book is not How to Become a Black Person If You Are Not Already Black. You cannot use this book as a magic potion. You cannot digest the printed copy and expect some supernatural physical transformation beyond painful indigestion. If you purchased the book with the intention of changing your race, I thank you for your money, but there will be no refunds. None.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2015, 01:28:45 AM
This is going to make Arrested Development S5 amazing.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 01:37:54 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Trent Dole on June 14, 2015, 01:44:15 AM
I was gonna say 'hey this is like Passing but in reverse(?!) but himu has already made mention of that in her epic screeds against this lady. :lol
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 14, 2015, 03:30:16 AM
You can't actually be serious.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2015, 03:53:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHXDTq2UkAAgqUi.png:large)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2015, 03:54:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsNWHpldrOA

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Vertigo on June 14, 2015, 06:58:56 AM
 :mindblown

Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 14, 2015, 07:37:47 AM
 :snoop
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2015, 09:49:45 AM
#PrayForHimu
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 10:01:08 AM
Honestly getting sick as shit of Himu being a goddamn bigot.

Fucking stop. You of all people should check yourself for a minute.

Fucking hell this shit is weird.

At first I thought you were joking and were doing a pretty good satire of the commentary on this but now I'm convinced you may be just a moron instead. Not sure, please enlighten me.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 10:02:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsNWHpldrOA

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Oh my lord
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 14, 2015, 10:30:25 AM
See tumblr generation? See what you get when you make strangers check their privilege in the alps?!
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 10:39:25 AM
People are already using the argument to use transphobic arguments that we are similarly manipulative. This woman and her situation could make things better or worse for us. Time will tell. So far, I'm leaning on worse.

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This woman and her situation could make things better or worse for us. Time will tell. So far, I'm leaning on worse.

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better or worse for us. So far, I'm leaning on worse.

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BETTER OR WORSE

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WORSE[/b]
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 14, 2015, 10:59:56 AM
You can't actually be serious.

You know good and well contrarians don't actually care about what they're fighting for/against  :hitler
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 14, 2015, 11:36:20 AM
At the very least this women will be a cottage industry for humanities papers for the next few years.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 11:38:12 AM
I REALLY want scientists/neurobiologists/sociologists/psychologists to study this and tell us what they find
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 14, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
(http://prn.fm/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/r-CLIMATE-SCIENTISTS-large570.jpg)
"She crazy"
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 14, 2015, 12:54:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsNWHpldrOA

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
Great now I have an identity crisis.
Am I cis latino? Or trans-white?

On a serious note :comeon
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2015, 01:10:01 PM
The Smartest Nerd in the Room: Why Melissa Harris-Perry is America's foremost public intellectual, and what she means (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/the-smartest-nerd-in-the-room/282836/)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Yeti on June 14, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
After getting away with it for so long, I wonder how she finally slipped up. Did she get caught listening to country music or something?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Rufus on June 14, 2015, 02:39:11 PM
After getting away with it for so long, I wonder how she finally slipped up. Did she get caught listening to country music or something?
Her parents outed her.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 03:04:57 PM
yo

(http://i.imgur.com/kcuZ4Xo.jpg)

:dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Barry Egan on June 14, 2015, 03:12:21 PM
My guess is that if elective surgery advances to the point where people could realistically be mistaken for another race, this form of subjectivity will become more common.  I can easily imagine an otaku nerd paying to look Japanese and claiming that inside he's been Japanese all along.  The historical evidence for this type of identification is fairly prevalent if you think about it, the technology just hasn't been there to make it a reality (yet).
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Tristam on June 14, 2015, 04:28:50 PM
Race is hereditary, gender is social.

As it is, race as we know it, is a fairly modern concept. You are correct, it is a social construct.

You say that gender is a social construct and not observable by science and you are completely, 100% flat on your face incorrect.

 ??? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Atramental on June 14, 2015, 04:32:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1fbGHiw.png)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
Sorry, I explained that wrong. Let me try to explain it from my view. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Racial features are hereditary. However, the division of races as an IDEA is very much a social construct created by Europeans in early modern times to divide and flex European superiority. That said, race is still mostly hereditary. Someone who is mixed and is racially ambiguous has the racial makeup of multiple races that makes it hard to make them appear as a specific race. Our Vin Deisel example is a great one. The system of racial division due to these differences is very much a social construct. A social construct does not mean these differences do not exist.

On the other hand, in order to talk about gender, we must separate gender and sex. Gender is not sex, as gender is mostly a fluid system of roles and characteristics which includes biological sex (male, female, intersex), gender roles, or gender identity. In many cultures and historically, gender roles and identities change. In countries like Samoa, sometimes these roles blur deeply between lines and roles. However, that does not change persons SEX and much like race, can still end up being ambiguous.

Race, while having nuance as people can be racially ambiguous, is still mostly hereditary as physical racial differences are observable.

Gender, as an expression of femininity and masculinity and the roles between them, is mostly based around a social construction. For example, earlier in the 1900's blue was for girls, pink was for boys or how Ashley was a boys name. It's a system of rules and expression of femininity and masculinity that change over time.

Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 04:57:16 PM
Of course, that's all coming from the mind of an American, a place where we deem one drop of black blood to be a black person. In places like South America and some place places like the Caribbean, race definitions can be distinct and diverse. Of course, that could be interpreted as a way of brain washing the black population in to trying to convince themselves they are not negro. Black in Latin America is a great take on that, particularly the Brazil or Cuba episode to my memory. I remember finding their definitions of race to be a lot more freeform and beautiful, compared to our American rigid definition of race.

So I could be completely wrong. I admit that.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 14, 2015, 10:40:40 PM
My guess is that if elective surgery advances to the point where people could realistically be mistaken for another race, this form of subjectivity will become more common.  I can easily imagine an otaku nerd paying to look Japanese and claiming that inside he's been Japanese all along.  The historical evidence for this type of identification is fairly prevalent if you think about it, the technology just hasn't been there to make it a reality (yet).

I don't think we need advances in elective surgery to increase the subjectivity of race. It's already 100% subjective. It has nothing to do with the human genome and everything to do with how you are perceived/perceive yourself.

For instance, look at these children:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/28/article-2107458-11F33AEB000005DC-575_470x761.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/28/article-2107458-11F33AD7000005DC-318_470x761.jpg)

What race are they? By today's standards, we'd probably call them white. But when these photos were taken in the mid-19th century, those children were considered black. It's complicated because their racial identity was tied to slavery and property, but because their mother was black, they were black (and thus slaves.) I know that Rachel Dolezal did not have black parents so it's not a direct comparison. But I just want to show that what we think are concrete ideas about race (Rachel is white, X is black, etc.) is just dependent on the social norms of today. I don't mean to insult any transgendered person, but these binary definitions of race some are expressing in this thread are similar to the intolerance transgender people face.

No one can tell you what race you are. They might have an opinion, but the reality is there is no scientific way to define it. Your ethnicity is tied to your DNA. We can tell you where your ancestors came from geographically, but there's no black gene or white gene. We are all a mix of all sorts of different types of humans through the millennia and we all have roughly the same variation in our genetic makeup regardless of our skin color. Race is not ethnicity just like gender is not sex.

As Queen of Ice rightly pointed out, the modern concept of race was invented to oppress non-Europeans (and more specifically the non-English.) Public consensus on on race has changed considerably in the last couple hundred years. In Ben Franklin's writings he opined that anyone not English wasn't "purely white" (the French, German, and Swedes had "swarthy" complexions.) Today, most would consider that ludicrous.

So I think people should consider this when they start defining what race people are. In the end, is it hurting anything besides your sensibilities if a woman you consider white identifies as black?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Tristam on June 14, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
Sorry, I explained that wrong. Let me try to explain it from my view. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Racial features are hereditary. However, the division of races as an IDEA is very much a social construct created by Europeans in early modern times to divide and flex European superiority. That said, race is still mostly hereditary. Someone who is mixed and is racially ambiguous has the racial makeup of multiple races that makes it hard to make them appear as a specific race. Our Vin Deisel example is a great one. The system of racial division due to these differences is very much a social construct. A social construct does not mean these differences do not exist.

On the other hand, in order to talk about gender, we must separate gender and sex. Gender is not sex, as gender is mostly a fluid system of roles and characteristics which includes biological sex (male, female, intersex), gender roles, or gender identity. In many cultures and historically, gender roles and identities change. In countries like Samoa, sometimes these roles blur deeply between lines and roles. However, that does not change persons SEX and much like race, can still end up being ambiguous.

Race, while having nuance as people can be racially ambiguous, is still mostly hereditary as physical racial differences are observable.

Gender, as an expression of femininity and masculinity and the roles between them, is mostly based around a social construction. For example, earlier in the 1900's blue was for girls, pink was for boys or how Ashley was a boys name. It's a system of rules and expression of femininity and masculinity that change over time.

You're not wrong -- this is on point -- though I would caution against romanticizing racial relations in a place like Brazil (http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/05/22/408813624/expats-find-brazils-reputation-for-race-blindness-is-undone-by-reality).
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: chronovore on June 14, 2015, 11:06:57 PM
Vin Diesel always looked Italian to me. Meh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3yon2GyoiM
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: chronovore on June 14, 2015, 11:12:38 PM
How is race a social construct? :snoop Black skin isn't my imagination. Neither are different features that blacks, hispanics, etc have.

Are you trolling or not?

I did find all the weird Japanese prejudice against Koreans and Chinese to be utterly befuddling. Many Japanese people claim that they can tell the difference between the three races at-a-glance, but I've never met anyone who actually can. It's tremendous horseshittery.

So, to me, some forms of race are nearly exclusively a social construct.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 14, 2015, 11:29:16 PM
Even colors are a social construct in some sense. Has anyone here heard the Radiolab episode (http://www.radiolab.org/story/211213-sky-isnt-blue/) on how ancient Greeks couldn't see the color blue? Really interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2015, 11:35:26 PM
My guess is that if elective surgery advances to the point where people could realistically be mistaken for another race, this form of subjectivity will become more common.  I can easily imagine an otaku nerd paying to look Japanese and claiming that inside he's been Japanese all along.  The historical evidence for this type of identification is fairly prevalent if you think about it, the technology just hasn't been there to make it a reality (yet).

I don't think we need advances in elective surgery to increase the subjectivity of race. It's already 100% subjective. It has nothing to do with the human genome and everything to do with how you are perceived/perceive yourself.

The problem is that you gave light skin examples. Like Rachel Dolezal, who is light skinned - and went around dressed as a lightskinned black woman - light skin people are people who can enjoy this "100% subjectivity" you talk about. I have caramel skin. There is nothing subjective about my race. I would think most people are like that. Not all, because there are many multi-racial exceptions like the one you gave.

How is race a social construct? :snoop Black skin isn't my imagination. Neither are different features that blacks, hispanics, etc have.

Are you trolling or not?

I did find all the weird Japanese prejudice against Koreans and Chinese to be utterly befuddling. Many Japanese people claim that they can tell the difference between the three races at-a-glance, but I've never met anyone who actually can. It's tremendous horseshittery.

So, to me, some forms of race are nearly exclusively a social construct.

For the most part, I've noticed Japanese tend to have bigger eyes than Chinese. Could be wrong in that observation?

Sorry, I explained that wrong. Let me try to explain it from my view. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Racial features are hereditary. However, the division of races as an IDEA is very much a social construct created by Europeans in early modern times to divide and flex European superiority. That said, race is still mostly hereditary. Someone who is mixed and is racially ambiguous has the racial makeup of multiple races that makes it hard to make them appear as a specific race. Our Vin Deisel example is a great one. The system of racial division due to these differences is very much a social construct. A social construct does not mean these differences do not exist.

On the other hand, in order to talk about gender, we must separate gender and sex. Gender is not sex, as gender is mostly a fluid system of roles and characteristics which includes biological sex (male, female, intersex), gender roles, or gender identity. In many cultures and historically, gender roles and identities change. In countries like Samoa, sometimes these roles blur deeply between lines and roles. However, that does not change persons SEX and much like race, can still end up being ambiguous.

Race, while having nuance as people can be racially ambiguous, is still mostly hereditary as physical racial differences are observable.

Gender, as an expression of femininity and masculinity and the roles between them, is mostly based around a social construction. For example, earlier in the 1900's blue was for girls, pink was for boys or how Ashley was a boys name. It's a system of rules and expression of femininity and masculinity that change over time.

You're not wrong -- this is on point -- though I would caution against romanticizing racial relations in a place like Brazil (http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/05/22/408813624/expats-find-brazils-reputation-for-race-blindness-is-undone-by-reality).

I'm not romanticizing them. If you watch Black in Latin America, is still gives off a very interesting and different take on blackness than what is defined in America. As an American Black, I find it interesting and refreshing in that they have multiple ways to describe different colors. However, the treatment of black people over there is very much real. I am fully aware of the hardships of blacks in latin America.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 12:08:32 AM
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"No one can tell you what race you are. They might have an opinion, but the reality is there is no scientific way to define it. "

You are right, but this doesn't matter when someone starts to run when and constantly look back at me like I'm going to mug them in the middle of the day while going on a walk in my own neighborhood. Or being being stopped by a cop in my shitty beat up car and yet he still asks me,"is this your car?"

What you're saying sounds nice, but it is not my life experience, especially since my first memory is crying under a table because the kids at daycare were bullying me because I was black.

I may have White and Native American genes in me. My hair may bethe result of mixed race and people will call it "good hair". But none of it really matters in the end.

Still, it's a nice sentiment, but does not speak to my reality. So I'd say you're half right, depending on who you ask.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2015, 02:54:33 AM
I did find all the weird Japanese prejudice against Koreans and Chinese to be utterly befuddling. Many Japanese people claim that they can tell the difference between the three races at-a-glance, but I've never met anyone who actually can. It's tremendous horseshittery.

So, to me, some forms of race are nearly exclusively a social construct.

For the most part, I've noticed Japanese tend to have bigger eyes than Chinese. Could be wrong in that observation?
I don't believe that Japanese have bigger eyes. It's also the first time I've heard that observation, so I don't think Japanese people are going by eye size. I also don't believe they have any validity to their claims; it is easier to tell a Japanese-American from a Japanese-Japanese than it is to try and tell most Chinese people apart from  Japanese; American body language, posture, diet, and facial muscle structure (determined by cultural use) tends to make people of the same national background appear different, while Japanese-raised Chinese and Koreans are brought up in Japanese culture, making them less distinguishable than that.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 07:33:17 AM
I dunno. I can easily tell when someone is African and not Black American at the flip of the switch, because for the most part, Africans generally don't look completely like us. I know where they're coming from. Aren't Koreans and Chinese typically a bit darker than Japanese too?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 15, 2015, 07:33:58 AM
Really Himu
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 07:36:02 AM
Uh

Yeah
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 15, 2015, 07:47:54 AM
Bunching together Chinese under one name is a bit silly when there is so many ethinic groups and 1.5 billion people.

There are more Chinese than white people and all white people don't look alike either.

Telling apart people is much more then just looking at the face, it's the way people walk, move, dress etc. All those together make me able to recognize a Polack or a Dutchie in a crowd of other cacs.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 07:52:56 AM
China is definitely a special case and a lot more diverse. Chinese can be definitely be darker than Japanese depending on where in China they're from, but Korean eye slants are definitely usually distinct from Japanese eye slants, and they sometimes do generally have smaller eyes.

There's also mannerisms. Which while also not generally correct, you can sometimes get a general idea.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 15, 2015, 10:34:08 AM
Been out of the loop all weekend. What in the name of fuckery is going on with this shit? She's literally the anti-michael jackson.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 15, 2015, 11:43:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Retro_Spectro_/status/610251428838420480/video/1

 :rofl
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2015, 12:30:34 PM
I dunno. I can easily tell when someone is African and not Black American at the flip of the switch, because for the most part, Africans generally don't look completely like us. I know where they're coming from. Aren't Koreans and Chinese typically a bit darker than Japanese too?

The African vs. Black American difference seems more akin to my statement about being able to tell the difference between USA-raised Japanese people and Japanese-raised Japanese people.

Lager's statement is also important: China's huge, and has a lot of diversity among its own peoples.

None of this manages to contradict my belief that Japan's claims to be able to single-out non-Japanese Asians from Korea and China are silly. But my main point was that racism is stupid because look at all these Asians discriminating against each other. Then again, as was pointed out, racism was originally against non-British because even Germans and Scandinavians are swarthy --- WTF?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 01:18:40 PM
China is a diverse place, but for the most part, they don't look exactly like Korean or Japanese people. Then again, you've likely been to both - definitely been to Japan :p - so what do I know? :lol I'm basing this after all the east asian people i know and who have been kind enough to tell and show me the differences after asking.

Houston has a big African population, and I can generally tell who is African without talking to them. Emphasis on generally.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 01:52:38 PM
Another black woman driven out of making this a better world by violent bigotry (http://www.facebook.com/spokane.naacp/posts/1623781377868883):
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Dear Executive Committee and NAACP Members,

It is a true honor to serve in the racial and social justice movement here in Spokane and across the nation. Many issues face us now that drive at the theme of urgency. Police brutality, biased curriculum in schools, economic disenfranchisement, health inequities, and a lack of pro-justice political representation are among the concerns at the forefront of the current administration of the Spokane NAACP. And yet, the dialogue has unexpectedly shifted internationally to my personal identity in the context of defining race and ethnicity.

I have waited in deference while others expressed their feelings, beliefs, confusions and even conclusions - absent the full story. I am consistently committed to empowering marginalized voices and believe that many individuals have been heard in the last hours and days that would not otherwise have had a platform to weigh in on this important discussion. Additionally, I have always deferred to the state and national NAACP leadership and offer my sincere gratitude for their unwavering support of my leadership through this unexpected firestorm.

While challenging the construct of race is at the core of evolving human consciousness, we can NOT afford to lose sight of the five Game Changers (Criminal Justice & Public Safety, Health & Healthcare, Education, Economic Sustainability, and Voting Rights & Political Representation) that affect millions, often with a life or death outcome. The movement is larger than a moment in time or a single person's story, and I hope that everyone offers their robust support of the Journey for Justice campaign that the NAACP launches today!

I am delighted that so many organizations and individuals have supported and collaborated with the Spokane NAACP under my leadership to grow this branch into one of the healthiest in the nation in 5 short months. In the eye of this current storm, I can see that a separation of family and organizational outcomes is in the best interest of the NAACP.

It is with complete allegiance to the cause of racial and social justice and the NAACP that I step aside from the Presidency and pass the baton to my Vice President, Naima Quarles-Burnley. It is my hope that by securing a beautiful office for the organization in the heart of downtown, bringing the local branch into financial compliance, catalyzing committees to do strategic work in the five Game Changer issues, launching community forums, putting the membership on a fast climb, and helping many individuals find the legal, financial and practical support needed to fight race-based discrimination, I have positioned the Spokane NAACP to buttress this transition.

Please know I will never stop fighting for human rights and will do everything in my power to help and assist, whether it means stepping up or stepping down, because this is not about me. It's about justice. This is not me quitting; this is a continuum. It's about moving the cause of human rights and the Black Liberation Movement along the continuum from Resistance to Chattel Slavery to Abolition to Defiance of Jim Crow to the building of Black Wall Street to the Civil Rights and Black Power Movement to the ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ movement and into a future of self-determination and empowerment.

With much love and a commitment to always fight for what is right and good in this world,
Rachel Dolezal
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2015, 02:31:42 PM
She seems like an okay person other than the whole pretending to be a black person thing (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)
Which is tragic, because the lie will overshadow everything.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 02:35:32 PM
She seems like an okay person other than the whole pretending to be a black person thing (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)

Yes, telling someone they aren't black and are mocking the idea of being black while she does the same thing is totally genuine
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 15, 2015, 02:39:05 PM
I look forward to "Unforgivable Blackness: The Rachel Dolezal Story" starring Anna Faris, coming to Lifetime soon.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: bork on June 15, 2015, 03:07:11 PM
I look forward to "Unforgivable Blackness: The Rachel Dolezal Story" starring Anna Faris, coming to Lifetime soon.
:dolezal
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 03:10:14 PM
Do you want me to fill the right side in?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 03:32:59 PM
I look forward to "Unforgivable Blackness: The Rachel Dolezal Story" starring Anna Faris, coming to Lifetime soon.
:dolezal

:makaveli
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: bork on June 15, 2015, 03:33:29 PM
Do you want me to fill the right side in?

Yeah!
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
Rachel Dolezal Sued Howard University for Racial Discrimination in 2002

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Former Spokane NAACP president Rachel Dolezal sued Howard University in 2002 for allegedly discriminating against her because she’s white, according to court documents obtained by the Smoking Gun. Dolezal, who has claimed to be black for several years, said the school refused to hire her for teaching posts and denied her scholarships because of her race.
http://gawker.com/report-rachel-dolezal-sued-howard-university-for-discr-1711464382?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

:dead

Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 15, 2015, 05:35:12 PM
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scust.png)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 05:35:24 PM
this fucking story :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
Call me :hans1, but something about this story always struck me as contrived. Now I really think it's contrived.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 05:38:55 PM
Should have hired a Jewish lawyer, Rachel.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 15, 2015, 05:40:20 PM
Should have hired a Jewish lawyer, Rachel.

A Jewish lawyer would never represent that schwartze :larry
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vbVw5yD.gif)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 15, 2015, 05:44:51 PM
Should have hired a Jewish lawyer, Rachel.

A Jewish lawyer would never represent that Schwartz :larry

Well if she's really white she could have the money for it.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 05:46:50 PM
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The lawsuit was dismissed in February 2004, after Judge Zoe Bush found no evidence that Dolezal was discriminated against. Dolezal was ordered to reimburse the school for $2758.50 for a “Bill of Costs” and another $1000 for an “obstructive and vexatious” court filing.

One year before she started to pretend to be black.  :ohhh
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 05:48:52 PM
Didn't Jesus "identify" as a human, yet nobody criticizes him; in fact we celebrate his works, as a human. Why can't we celebrate the positive work Rachel did as a black woman? How is this act of love any different than what Jesus did.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 05:49:23 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
Didn't Jesus "identify" as a human, yet nobody criticizes him; in fact we celebrate his works, as a human. Why can't we celebrate the positive work Rachel did as a black woman? How is this act of love any different than what Jesus did.

I read Apollinaris of Laodicea too.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 15, 2015, 06:29:16 PM
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/610571639135334400
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BREAKING: Eastern Washington University says Rachel Dolezal is "no longer an employee," says she was never a professor as claimed -BB
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168101306&postcount=3348

:rofl
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 15, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168101306&postcount=3348

:rofl
:umad

Honestly though. It's strange how many people and the media are playing this game of armchair psychiatry trying to find the deep underlying emotional issue and label it so it can be understood and accepted. The world is very different now. Just a few years ago everyone would've diagnosed her with a case of "crazy bitch" and laugh.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Beezy on June 15, 2015, 07:07:51 PM
She's gonna be on the Today Show tomorrow. :lol
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 15, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/610571639135334400
Quote
BREAKING: Eastern Washington University says Rachel Dolezal is "no longer an employee," says she was never a professor as claimed -BB

:rofl

HALL OF FAME THIS THREAD ONCE THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
Soon it will be revealed that Rachel Dolezal never existed at all, but someone with the same name died 10 years ago ON THIS VERY DAY.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2015, 07:46:46 PM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rachel-dolesal-brother-sexual-assault-case
Rachel Dolezal, the former president of the Spokane chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), has allegedly been helping the victim in a sexual assault case against Dolezal's biological older brother, the New York Daily News reported on Saturday.

Joshua Dolezal has been accused of four counts of felony child sexual assault in Clear Creek County, Colo., according to the Denver Post. He was arrested in March 2014 for alleged incidents dating back to July 2013, and he is scheduled to face trial in August, court documents show, according to the Denver Post.

 :mindblown
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 07:54:12 PM
I knew it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StlMdNcvCJo
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2015, 07:56:03 PM
Well played usage of Snow :dead
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2015, 07:58:09 PM
Inuit! Karakand the Paranoid Android. :rejoice
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rachel-dolesal-brother-sexual-assault-case
Rachel Dolezal, the former president of the Spokane chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), has allegedly been helping the victim in a sexual assault case against Dolezal's biological older brother, the New York Daily News reported on Saturday.

Joshua Dolezal has been accused of four counts of felony child sexual assault in Clear Creek County, Colo., according to the Denver Post. He was arrested in March 2014 for alleged incidents dating back to July 2013, and he is scheduled to face trial in August, court documents show, according to the Denver Post.

 :mindblown
Is that why her parents ratted her out?  :ohhh
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
They raised a child predator and a racially... confused woman, whom they then exposed to the court of public opinion. Let's hope they're not trying out for the World's Greatest Parents Awards.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 15, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
Still better than GoT Season 5.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: chronovore on June 17, 2015, 02:12:48 AM
https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/the-media-is-doing-exactly-what-rachel-dolezals-abusive-homeschooling-parents-want/

Appallingly, my earlier jab at their parenting ability does not even begin to cover how bad these parents are.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 02:28:03 AM
This really is the most fascinating out of nowhere story in years for me.

One thing that's helped it up until now was that other than the "transracial" thing there weren't really any sides to take, just absurdity to revel in.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2015, 02:54:40 AM
https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/the-media-is-doing-exactly-what-rachel-dolezals-abusive-homeschooling-parents-want/

Appallingly, my earlier jab at their parenting ability does not even begin to cover how bad these parents are.

I know there's an element of "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" here, but having to choose between not getting burned and standing up to child abuse is a lamentable situation if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 04:11:14 AM
http://time.com/3921404/rachel-dolezal-naacp-race-kareem-abdul-jabbar/
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I sympathize with the dilemma of Rachel Dolezal, the head of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP whose parents maintain that she is not any part black, as she has claimed (#whiteisthenewblack). See, I too have been living a lie. For the past 50 years I’ve been keeping up this public charade, pretending to be something I’m not. Finally, in the wake of so many recent personal revelations by prominent people, I’ve decided to come out with the truth.

I am not tall (#shortstuff).

Although I’ve been claiming to be 7’2” for many decades, the truth is that I’m 5’8”. And that’s when I first get out of bed in the morning. Just goes to show, you tell a lie often enough and people believe you. I expect there will be some who will demand I give back the championship rings and titles that I accumulated during my college and professional basketball career because I was only able to win them by convincing other players that they had no chance against my superior height. How could these achievements have any lasting meaning if I’m not really as tall as Wikipedia says I am?

...

Al Jolson, once considered the most popular entertainer in the world, rose to fame wearing blackface. He also used his considerable influence to help blacks. At one time, he was the only white man allowed into some of the nightclubs in Harlem. Ironically, Jolson admitted that when he performed the same songs without blackface he never felt he did as good a job. Some critics say it’s because while singing in blackface, he was singing for all downtrodden people, including his own Jewish people. And he found his strength and passion and power while identifying with another culture. Maybe like Quentin Tarantino in Jackie Brown and Django Unchained.

So, does it really matter whether Rachel Dolezal is black or white?

Dr. King said we should be judged by the content of character rather than color of skin, which is what makes this case so difficult. So, yes, it does matter. Apparently lying to employers and the public you’re representing when the lie benefits you personally and professionally is a deficit in character. However, the fight for equality is too important to all Americans to lose someone as passionate as she is and who has accomplished as much as she has. This seems more a case of her standing up and saying, “I am Spartacus!” rather than a conspiracy to defraud. Let’s give her a Bill Clinton Get Out of Jail Free card on this one (#Ididnothavesex) and let her get back to doing what she clearly does exceptionally well—making America more American.

It’s given me the courage to also say, “I am Spartacus. All 5’8” of me.”
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 17, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
 :whew
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: studyguy on June 17, 2015, 05:01:22 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6b2c25ff3ceb481eb2ebc0973fbbd436/rachel-dolezal-no-biological-proof-she-has-white-parents

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In an interview with NBC News on Tuesday night (http://nbcnews.to/1LfaDYU ), Rachel Dolezal said she hasn't had a DNA test and there's no "biological proof" that Larry and Ruthanne Dolezal are her parents.

 :dolezal :cac
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2015, 05:11:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7yTtEkW.gif)
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: studyguy on June 17, 2015, 05:14:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7yTtEkW.gif)

All things considered, this chick is fucking crazy but I don't think anyone can force her to take a DNA test outside of a court order. Plug your ears and keep saying your black. Maybe if you tap your heels while you're at it you might appear back in Kansas a couple shades darker.  :lol
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2015, 05:38:47 PM
newsflash: backing a liar into a corner will just cause them to lie more

can we please be done with this dipshit?
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 17, 2015, 10:32:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vbVw5yD.gif)

This gif is ruined by the fact that the name isn't properly centered.

Sometimes we just have to settle for the little inaccuracies in life  :larry

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why did you point this out to me  :stahp
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Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Himu on June 23, 2015, 11:25:23 AM
http://www.today.com/video/laverne-cox-on-rachel-dolezals-transracial-identity-469907011795
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 06:41:32 PM
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/rachel-dolezal-new-interview-pictures-exclusive
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“It’s not a costume,” she says. “I don’t know spiritually and metaphysically how this goes, but I do know that from my earliest memories I have awareness and connection with the black experience, and that’s never left me. It’s not something that I can put on and take off anymore. Like I said, I’ve had my years of confusion and wondering who I really [was] and why and how do I live my life and make sense of it all, but I’m not confused about that any longer. I think the world might be—but I’m not.”
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2015, 06:56:02 PM
I'm metaphysically black.  Suck my BBC, Kant. 
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2015, 07:02:49 PM
Ah just talked to my mom.  I'm only metaphysically black on my fathers side. 
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2015, 07:22:05 PM
I'm metaphysically black.  Suck my BBC, Kant.

He Kant.
Title: Re: Rachel Dolezal
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Also remember how I made that joke about Vin Diesel being black on like page 3?

https://www.facebook.com/VinDiesel/photos/a.101465923312.101581.89562268312/10153582925078313/?type=1

His birthday cake. 


I think he might be my dad.