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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2015, 06:49:35 PM »

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2015, 07:20:32 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/rachel-dolezal-responds-to-claims/vi-BBl1xvm?ocid=sf

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« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2015, 07:21:30 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2015, 08:28:02 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/rachel-dolezal-responds-to-claims/vi-BBl1xvm?ocid=sf

She's not giving up her counterfeit black card without a fight.
Good for her, after all her people have been through she just can't roll over.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2015, 08:54:26 PM »
Prolly just did it to get on Black People Welfare for the free lobsters and Cadillacs.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2015, 09:51:23 PM »
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2015, 10:04:18 PM »
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2015, 10:05:57 PM »
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

"If we can get this shit accepted, it's only a matter of time before transageism and I get to declare myself a teenager..."  :ohhh

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2015, 10:10:26 PM »
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

There are documented scientific literature proving transsexuality's existence. Please provide me with scientific suveys on transracialism. Further, transracialism mostly only benefits light skinned people who choose to pretend to be darker. The same thing cannot apply for dark skin people who choose to be lighter unless they're already mixed, and in which case they're racially ambiguous to begin with. It cannot be transracialism if only one side can gain the benefit of the transition. Thus, it doesn't exist.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2015, 10:25:51 PM »
http://nationalreport.net/americas-bigotry-towards-transracialism-and-why-it-needs-to-end/
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Tyrone had your average American upbringing. He never suffered physical or sexual abuse from his maternal white parents. His father was a plumber who brought home a decent wage. His mother was a supervisor at the DMV. Nothing about Tyrone’s childhood seems to be particularly out of the ordinary.

“I never felt like I belonged, know what I’m sayin’? My parents were good to me, for sure. I love my folks. But it was just like, I don’t know… It was like their traditions weren’t my own. Then one day I was out with some friends, driving around ‘n sh*t. We were all still in high school at the time. Lookin’ for chicks, an all that. My buddy Pete puts in this album he just bought. It was Dr. Dre’s ‘The Chronic’. From that first cut I was hooked. So many pieces fell into place in my head. My alienation. Why I could never connect with my white parents… It was because was an African American trapped in a white man’s body.”

Tyrone accentuates his “black” appearance with a wardrobe filled with FUBU brand products and cosmetically darkening his skin tone. He looks like your average appreciator of hip hop culture but with a face painted in a dark brown hue with bright red lipstick outlining his mouth in a comical frown.

Some people are accusing Tyrone of being racist, pointing out that he’s doing little more than wearing offensive black face. Tyrone tells National Report this couldn’t be further from the truth.

“When I go out in my makeup people are always yelling obscenities at me, right. They call me a bigot, a wigger, they ask if I’m joking or just trying to start a fight. I’ve been threatened. I’ve been attacked in public places where others just stood by and watched. I’ve been refused service at restaurants.”

“I’ve encountered persecution equal to or greater than that of the LGBTQ community and my story seems to garner no sympathy from the same media that promotes Caitlyn Jenner. I’m accused of racism because of how I choose to present myself. Because of the makeup I wear to feel more comfortable in my skin? African American’s aren’t shunned for using skin lightening treatments. No one calls transsexuals misogynists for wearing lipstick and eyeliner. Why is my story so different?
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2015, 10:26:41 PM »
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

There are documented scientific literature proving transsexuality's existence. Please provide me with scientific suveys on transracialism. Further, transracialism mostly only benefits light skinned people who choose to pretend to be darker. The same thing cannot apply for dark skin people who choose to be lighter unless they're already mixed, and in which case they're racially ambiguous to begin with. It cannot be transracialism if only one side can gain the benefit of the transition. Thus, it doesn't exist.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2015, 10:57:39 PM »
don't worry, she'll be dead in a few decades just like everyone else.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2015, 11:05:53 PM »
I don't see how transracialism can't exist.

There are documented scientific literature proving transsexuality's existence. Please provide me with scientific suveys on transracialism. Further, transracialism mostly only benefits light skinned people who choose to pretend to be darker. The same thing cannot apply for dark skin people who choose to be lighter unless they're already mixed, and in which case they're racially ambiguous to begin with. It cannot be transracialism if only one side can gain the benefit of the transition. Thus, it doesn't exist.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2015, 11:16:52 PM »
Plenty of dark actors and singer bleach their skin. Vin Diesel doesn't look remotely black anymore.
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« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2015, 11:39:23 PM »
That's because he doesn't have hair anymore.

With hair, it's a totally different case.



And actors and singers bleaching themselves does not lend credence towards transracialism existing.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2015, 12:34:31 AM »
complain about "tumblr culture" going too far but then argue the existence of transracialism :lol

get the entire fuck out
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2015, 01:02:11 AM »
complain about "tumblr culture" going too far but then argue the existence of transracialism :lol

get the entire fuck out

who did this
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2015, 10:18:41 AM »
http://jezebel.com/rachel-dolezal-definitely-nailed-the-hair-ill-give-her-1710899988?rev=1434127176258

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My favorite Rachel Dolezal black hair moment is when girlfriend broke out the HEADWRAP—looking like a lighter version of Erykah Badu. This is damn near a street style shot at Afropunk.

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IT DOES NOT.



Her hair looks like SHIT. It looks like a weave or a wig and looks like a dry frizzled hot MESS.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2015, 10:27:07 AM »
http://jezebel.com/rachel-dolezal-definitely-nailed-the-hair-ill-give-her-1710899988?rev=1434127176258

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My favorite Rachel Dolezal black hair moment is when girlfriend broke out the HEADWRAP—looking like a lighter version of Erykah Badu. This is damn near a street style shot at Afropunk.

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IT DOES NOT.

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Her hair looks like SHIT. It looks like a weave or a wig and looks like a dry frizzled hot MESS.

So natural, then?  :heh

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan  :lawd

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2015, 10:36:29 AM »
Natural hair should not look dry or frizzled. :what

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2015, 01:58:15 PM »


Keep trying, Walrus
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2015, 02:24:45 PM »
Vin Diesel is black?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2015, 02:26:52 PM »
Mixed
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2015, 02:30:11 PM »
I would never have thought that he was black given that he likes D&D.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2015, 02:31:55 PM »
Always looked Italian to me. Meh.

He played an Italian in a court drama called Find me Guilty:



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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #85 on: June 13, 2015, 02:33:56 PM »
He's half Italian half black. This is why his roles are either Italian or Black. Dude started out his Hollywood career struggling because no one wanted an Italian who was that racially ambiguous and no one wanted a black actor who is that light. So he made a short about being an racially ambiguous outcast. It got passed around, Spielberg caught wind of it and gave him a chance in Saving Private Ryan. It is no coincidence that a half black half italian actor who was told he couldn't be ______ is the lead actor in a franchise that stresses that the idea of family goes beyond racial and cultural lines.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #86 on: June 13, 2015, 02:37:27 PM »
Dominic Toretto isn't an Italian character though.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #87 on: June 13, 2015, 02:38:38 PM »
I think you missed my point.
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« Reply #88 on: June 13, 2015, 02:57:26 PM »
I've seen Multifacial (and Strays which is terribad). I get it. I am just pointing out that Toretto isn't Italian.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #89 on: June 13, 2015, 03:01:34 PM »
Yea you're right
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #91 on: June 13, 2015, 03:59:36 PM »
Remember when I brought up the paper bag test

http://thegrio.com/2015/06/13/rachel-dolezal-brother-dont-blow-my-cover/


This woman has no shame :rofl
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #92 on: June 13, 2015, 04:01:25 PM »
Completely believed her own bullshit. Kind of impressive. I'd call it shameless, but she clearly believes.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #93 on: June 13, 2015, 04:04:18 PM »
Remember when I brought up the paper bag test

http://thegrio.com/2015/06/13/rachel-dolezal-brother-dont-blow-my-cover/


This woman has no shame :rofl

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“She puts dark makeup on her face and says she black. It’s basically blackface.”
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #94 on: June 13, 2015, 04:05:28 PM »
My grandma had to pretend to be white in order to teach and get a job in segregated Texas in a time when doing so was illegal and would equate to jail time and this fucking BITCH does it and people call it transracial :rofl

White privilege in action
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #95 on: June 13, 2015, 04:10:27 PM »
Fox must be having a field day with this
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« Reply #96 on: June 13, 2015, 04:21:56 PM »
The woman's a saint.

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« Reply #97 on: June 13, 2015, 04:26:25 PM »
Remember when I brought up the paper bag test

http://thegrio.com/2015/06/13/rachel-dolezal-brother-dont-blow-my-cover/


This woman has no shame :rofl

Rachel Dolezal gave lectures on ‘nappiness’ and ‘the brown paper bag test’, once told student she didn’t look ‘Hispanic enough’

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« Reply #98 on: June 13, 2015, 04:29:01 PM »
complain about "tumblr culture" going too far but then argue the existence of transracialism :lol

get the entire fuck out

who did this

no one here

but god damn I never thought I'd see the day where transracialism is discussed in any kind of way except condescending mockery
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #99 on: June 13, 2015, 04:40:43 PM »
Race, like gender, has no scientific basis. They are both social constructs. I don't see how someone can tell someone that the way they self-identify is wrong in any instance. Even the age thing to an extent since we all know that time is a flat circle.

Since things like race and gender are entirely dependent on consensus of society, if she was accepted as black by her husband, children, friends, colleagues, peers, etc. then what is the scandal? It's easy to make jokes about her but it's easy to make jokes about anything. She obviously had no malicious intent. She certainly didn't identify as black to hurt transgender people. Maybe we should try to be more empathetic?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #100 on: June 13, 2015, 04:51:07 PM »
How is race a social construct? :snoop Black skin isn't my imagination. Neither are different features that blacks, hispanics, etc have.

Are you trolling or not?
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #101 on: June 13, 2015, 04:54:34 PM »
I don't even know what's going on here  :(
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« Reply #102 on: June 13, 2015, 05:02:20 PM »
The scandal is that she lied to gain a position in power. She's a university teacher. This is a problem. She's the president of a national organization. That's a problem. She pretended her adopted black brother was her son. She asked a stranger to pose as her father. That's a problem. She got a free ride to Howard, applying that she was black, that's a problem.

I am going to deconstruct the premise of your post.

The very word race was created in the beginning to flex white superiority and colonialism. Its very purpose from the beginning was to divide and conquer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

As it is, race as we know it, is a fairly modern concept. You are correct, it is a social construct.

Gender comparatively, while also being a social construct in terms of roles, is still a psychological requirement as a part of human identity. It's one of the things that keeps up sane. Studies have shown that people who have their gender identity taken away from them spiral into a pool of depression. It's one of the many reasons Alan Turing killed himself when he was given estrogen or how men become depressed when their testosterone levels get low.

You say that gender is a social construct and not observable by science and you are completely, 100% flat on your face incorrect.

http://www.isna.org/faq/concealment
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/02/us/study-links-brain-to-transsexuality.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-science-of-transgender-20140730
http://m.mic.com/articles/109652/being-transgender-is-not-a-phase-science-just-proved-what-trans-kids-have-known-all-along

Also, one must make the distinction between racial and cultural. The woman may culturally identify with black people; this does not make her black. An Afro Latino identifies with being Latino, that does not make them Spanish. She may have had a black husband; that doesn't make her black.

Empathy is important, true. But empathy does not mean the criticisms she has garnered are not legitimate or deserved. Empathy in this case means not harassing her, it doesn't mean calling her on her shit. And in this case especially, "empathy" is merely a tool for people to not only excuse the lies and fraud she has committed but hand waving black and Trans struggle at the same time while propping up petty white supremacist arguments like trying to be "understanding" when this woman manipulated her community, took away potential leadership positions from actual black people (hello Mormapope, fuck you) while ignoring historical cases like my dear grandma. Historically, black people who could pass as white did so for survival and to put food on their table. She didn't need to do either.

I will not empathize with white supremacy.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #103 on: June 13, 2015, 05:06:23 PM »
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #104 on: June 13, 2015, 05:11:07 PM »
How is race a social construct? :snoop Black skin isn't my imagination. Neither are different features that blacks, hispanics, etc have.

Are you trolling or not?

I assume he's arguing race is a social construct whereas ethnicity is biological/genetic.

Not that I'm taking a side in what I assume is a troll debate, but race and gender are similar in terms of being social constructs. Whereas ethnicity and sex are biological - ie if you have XX chromosomes you're genetically female. A transgender person identifies as another gender, but their genetic makeup (sex) remains the same. I suppose the argument being made here is that transracial would work the same way. A person would identify as another race but their genetic makeup (ethnicity) would remain the same. And thus they'd argue they were born in the wrong body.

Again I am NOT saying I believe this, I'm just wrapping my head around it. If anything...I kind of wonder whether it's unfair to dismiss this idea as not having scientific merit/evidence, when the same thing could have been said about transsexualism not long ago.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #105 on: June 13, 2015, 05:16:00 PM »
I think it's a fair argument to not dismiss pursuing scientific evidence, but basing this one case, of this one qaucked out lady who uses a stranger to pretend he's her father, as a means of comparison to trans people is not only a false equivalence, it is worthy. People are already using the argument to use transphobic arguments that we are similarly manipulative. This woman and her situation could make things better or worse for us. Time will tell. So far, I'm leaning on worse.
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« Reply #106 on: June 13, 2015, 06:12:56 PM »
"If you want us to treat transsexuals as human beings, then you must also accept transracialism" is the new "gay marriage will lead to horse-fucking."

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #107 on: June 13, 2015, 06:27:17 PM »

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #108 on: June 13, 2015, 06:29:41 PM »
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #109 on: June 13, 2015, 06:43:01 PM »
The fuckery just keeps getting more fuckerous. Holy shit.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #110 on: June 13, 2015, 07:07:50 PM »
Honestly this is going to be called the pinnacle of performance art in the coming years.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #111 on: June 13, 2015, 07:10:30 PM »
She's going to cash in, maybe write a book, and have this licensed for a TV show, play, or movie. More irony, she didn't like The Help because a white woman cashed on a black woman's struggle. :dead
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #112 on: June 13, 2015, 07:12:00 PM »
You ever read a post or comment online about some racial issue which ends in "oh and also I'm black so don't play the race card" and you're 99% sure the person is white as Carson Daly?

This is like creating a whole lifestyle based on that.

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« Reply #113 on: June 13, 2015, 07:12:58 PM »
Man a reality TV show where she tries to fill positions in her fake black family.  I'd so watch that. 

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« Reply #114 on: June 13, 2015, 07:15:51 PM »
You ever read a post or comment online about some racial issue which ends in "oh and also I'm black so don't play the race card" and you're 99% sure the person is white as Carson Daly?

This is like creating a whole lifestyle based on that.

I have been reading more and more of these since Ferguson. They usually start with "I'm black and I don't approve of these riots and them acting like COMPLETE ANIMALS." I don't get it. It's like some hyper warped version of concern trolling.
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #116 on: June 13, 2015, 07:38:48 PM »
The biggest question I have is, how in the fuck did this go unchecked for so long? Long being more than a week or a month.
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« Reply #117 on: June 13, 2015, 07:47:05 PM »
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Rachel went on tell the white reporter that it’s more important for her to clarify this with the Black community than it is to “explain it to a community that I, quite frankly, don’t think really understands the definitions of race and ethnicity” — which basically means, ‘You white people just don’t understand me.’.

http://www.lovebscott.com/news/rachel-dolezal-says-shes-still-black-i-dont-give-two-shts-what-you-guys-think

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« Reply #118 on: June 13, 2015, 07:53:44 PM »
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Re: Rachel Dolezal
« Reply #119 on: June 13, 2015, 08:49:17 PM »
himuro really fucking hates this woman. it's like a puddles vendetta but with more emoticons.