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Title: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 04, 2016, 07:18:04 AM
The blowout of this will be epic :drool
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on April 04, 2016, 07:52:22 AM
To correct what I said in the other thread, Le Monde (one of the newspaper involved) said that not all papers have been yet made public and that the public database for those will be progressively updated. Not all documents have been analysed but there's already 9 months of investigations going into that week's articles.

Overall I think this kind of effort is a good way for newspaper to stay relevant on top of it being a good thing overall.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 04, 2016, 08:00:58 AM
Can't wait for a lot of politicians to get into shit over this, as well as other motherfuckers.

The 99% gonna east :drool
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 04, 2016, 08:55:02 AM
Meh, it'll blow over. Don't get too excited
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 04, 2016, 09:49:06 AM
Not so sure about it, obviously I don't see people like Putin taking a hit but more excited about a purge in Europe.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 04, 2016, 09:53:10 AM
more excited about a purge in Europe.
  :doge
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Tasty on April 04, 2016, 10:14:26 AM
more excited about a purge in Europe.
  :doge
:doge
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Syph on April 04, 2016, 11:58:46 AM
so apparently the ever-honourable Putin is involved somehow? I for one am shocked  :gaben
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on April 04, 2016, 12:15:04 PM
So without too much surprise, there's mentions of :

- Bribe money for Algerian oil and gas.
- Assad's regime extended family and local tycoons had offshore companies that may have helped going around the embargo.
- Morocco's monarchy has a lot of offshore assets.
- A collection of dignitaries from Africa (including Kabila's twin sister).

The map I was mentioning earlier :
https://briankilmartin.cartodb.com/viz/54ddb5c0-f80e-11e5-9a9c-0e5db1731f59/embed_map
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Trent Dole on April 04, 2016, 04:13:05 PM
Meh, it'll blow over. Don't get too excited
The upper crust doing the shell game thing isn't a secret at all, that's true. Maybe people will flip out at the exact details? Probably not.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 04, 2016, 04:32:59 PM
"Man, that's fucked up. Can't wait until I'm rich and can get away with that!" - everyone
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 04, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
Nine months of research and the big news is that such moral paragons as Assad and Putin are up to some shady shit? Yawn, at least the diplomatic cables had some funny shit
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Steve Contra on April 04, 2016, 04:45:37 PM
Apparently the juiciest stuff is set to come out later this week (or month).  They led with the biggest names for headlines that no one cares about.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: curly on April 04, 2016, 08:35:49 PM
Meh, it'll blow over. Don't get too excited
The upper crust doing the shell game thing isn't a secret at all, that's true. Maybe people will flip out at the exact details? Probably not.

Well Wikileaks cables detailing regime corruption were one of the precipitating causes of the Tunisian revolution, and later the whole Arab spring. So there's definitely a historical precedent to people flipping out because of stuff like this.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Steve Contra on April 04, 2016, 08:46:51 PM
Well it looks like this is going to take down Iceland's government so there's that.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: brawndolicious on April 04, 2016, 09:03:15 PM
Well it looks like this is going to take down Iceland's government so there's that.

It seems like a small enough/flexible enough country to mosey along after a government reshuffle considering how quick they snapped out of the default/inflation shit just 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: brob on April 05, 2016, 10:47:21 AM
I knew the icelandic people were unhappy with their government and looking to replace them, but I did not know it was headed up by someone who looks like a large wrinkly baby.

Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on April 05, 2016, 11:19:35 AM
HSBC is the champion of creating offshore companies via Panama, according to the papers (With Swiss coming second and the French Société Générale). Too bad I'm not a millionnaire, I would probably be more happy with the service I get.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 11:21:24 AM
I find it ironic that people who literally eat off the money these rich people have acquired by business,  have the nuts to complain about it, actually.

Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Rufus on April 05, 2016, 11:25:02 AM
Mh, yes, they've clearly earned their tax evasion.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
Mh, yes, they've clearly earned their tax evasion.

This world is chock full of haters who sat on a couch while others succeeded. I have no pity for them, especially when it comes to shit like this.

Don't like it? Be better.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 11:32:46 AM
Ya that's a disgusting sentiment. 
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on April 05, 2016, 11:38:09 AM
Also on the French front, Le Monde is a partner in the Panama Papers operation. There's a number of french usual suspects in there :

- Mr. Cahuzac, former socialist secretary of state for budget (and thus in charge of tax evasion hunting  :lol ) who had to step down a few years ago for suspicion of tax evasion.
- Patrick Balkany, right wing mayor of rich Levallois Perret (city on the outskirts of Paris), implicated in a couple decades in various embezzlement affairs (but still voted in by his constituency :yeshrug ) a long time associate of the cabal of right wing politicians in the Hauts de Seine (richest county in France) which included Pasqua and former president Sarkozy.
- Mr. Guérini, biggest socialist politican in Marseille, himself considered pretty bad for years even for the most whack city in France.
- The Le Pen family and some of their associates in the Front National far right party. Not too surprising as Le Pen senior built his own personal fortune in part in "confusing" the destination of some of the successions left by rich faithful in their will (for the party).
- André Guelfi aka "Dédé the sardine" former shadow broker for french oil (in the ex-USSR) and Bernard Tapie which is a sort of french equivalent to Donald Trump (millionaire "self made man" who made every company he touched shit, including the large Crédit Lyonnais bank and Adidas, brief stint as minister of the city and urban development, famous for being loud and obnoxious). Apparently after sharing a cell in the nineties they had an offshore venture together...
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 11:47:43 AM
Ya that's a disgusting sentiment.

I apologize for not appreciating the finer points of failure.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 05, 2016, 11:51:23 AM
So where's your tax haven AiA, or are you a failure?
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 11:52:37 AM
So where's your tax haven AiA, or are you a failure?

We go,
way back
like some ganja and pelequo


:yeshrug
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 12:08:09 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35966412?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central


Welp, boy was I wrong. Looks like this one has some teeth.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Fifstar on April 05, 2016, 03:02:06 PM
Apparently the juiciest stuff is set to come out later this week (or month).  They led with the biggest names for headlines that no one cares about.

We'll see. So far the statement of the Süddeutsche Zeitung is that no names of US or german politicans have been found in the documents.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Steve Contra on April 05, 2016, 03:18:58 PM
Apparently the juiciest stuff is set to come out later this week (or month).  They led with the biggest names for headlines that no one cares about.

We'll see. So far the statement of the Süddeutsche Zeitung is that no names of US or german politicans have been found in the documents.
Damnit.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: brob on April 05, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
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The ruling coalition, however, is trying to avoid fresh elections at all costs, no doubt because it already trailed the insurgent Pirate Party in opinion polls before the revelation that the prime minister, and other senior members of his government, held secret offshore accounts.

https://theintercept.com/2016/04/05/icelands-prime-minister-resigns-first-casualty-panamapapers/

I hope they win so they can one up Greece's one TF2 hat guy with at least half a cabinet of EVE developers   :aah
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 05:38:51 PM
Apparently the juiciest stuff is set to come out later this week (or month).  They led with the biggest names for headlines that no one cares about.

We'll see. So far the statement of the Süddeutsche Zeitung is that no names of US or german politicans have been found in the documents.

least corrupt administration in recent memory keeps on truckin'
:obama
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 05, 2016, 06:37:33 PM
I find it ironic that people who literally eat off the money these rich people have acquired by business,  have the nuts to complain about it, actually.
Amen! I mean, so what if that business is tax evasion, drug dealing, human trafficking etc?
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 07:08:46 PM
I find it ironic that people who literally eat off the money these rich people have acquired by business,  have the nuts to complain about it, actually.

And you wonder why your party is about to nominate a fascist.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 06, 2016, 07:42:28 AM
AiA seriously though  :lol
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 10:40:36 AM
AiA: That's some nice food you got there. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 06, 2016, 11:06:00 AM
AiA: That's some nice food you got there. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it.

I'd say the same thing about your nose, cracker.  Don't ever mess with a black man's food.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Trent Dole on April 06, 2016, 05:17:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-NshzYK9y0
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: helios on April 06, 2016, 06:00:16 PM
I keep reading the title as banana peppers
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 07, 2016, 06:49:51 AM
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Chinese censors have stepped up their censorship of websites, ordering all content related to the Panama Papers to be scrubbed as new revelations emerged of how relatives of some of the country’s top leaders had used secretive offshore companies to store their wealth.

Documents from the leaked Mossack Fonseca database showed the relations of three of the seven members of the Communist party’s elite ruling council, the politburo standing committee, had companies that were clients of the offshore law firm. They included relatives of Chinese president Xi Jinping.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/07/china-ramps-up-panama-papers-censorship-after-leaders-relatives-named
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 07, 2016, 06:54:37 AM
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More than £170bn of UK property is now held overseas. Much of that is in London, where unprecedented house price inflation has transformed homes into highly profitable investments for asset speculators. Nearly one in 10 of the 31,000 tax haven companies that own British property are linked to Mossack Fonseca.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2016, 04:05:14 PM
Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/04/david-cameron-panama-papers-offshore-fund
Just days after dismissing the revelation that his late father managed an offshore fund, calling it a "private matter," British Prime Minister David Cameron on Thursday admitted to having profited from the very same fund. According to Cameron, he sold his investments for £31,500 (around $44,300) before becoming Prime Minister.

Oops!
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 07, 2016, 05:38:17 PM
damn daniel
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on April 08, 2016, 07:14:54 AM
Meanwhile, at the ecuadorian embassy in London.

"So when is he leaving...?"
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2016, 10:44:00 PM
https://twitter.com/lewiswake/status/718411497161039873

:lol
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
lawl, remember when people thought this was gonna be a thing? Bubububu...the Icelandic PM stepped down, omg!

Meh, it'll blow over. Don't get too excited

:bow AIA, vindicated. Rich people win again. :bow2
 :success :success :success
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 10, 2016, 01:29:35 AM
The structures in this case aren't incredibly useful to American taxpayers due to the taxation of worldwide income so you really shouldn't expect much fallout here. There's a push to increase reporting requirements as a result of the revelations, which doesn't sound sexy, but things like that are really important to catch unreported income.

In countries that are dumb and tax territorially? Well they're already enthralled to international capital, hence their territorial tax regimes.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: chronovore on May 10, 2016, 03:29:45 AM
"Man, that's fucked up. Can't wait until I'm rich and can get away with that!" - everyone

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 03:34:06 AM
http://www.temporarilyembarrassedmillionaires.org/

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Funnily enough, Wikipedia says the quote is a likely paraphrase of this actual Steinbeck quote:
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Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property.

I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew—at least they claimed to be Communists—couldn't have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves.
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Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
 :drudge :drudge

Emma Watson got outed.

Feminism annihilated.

Social justice warriors in retreat.

Joe with major egg on his face.

Harry Potter fans still excited for that prequel or whatever.

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Her response is that she operates offshore to protect her personal privacy due to shareholder reporting requirements in the UK.
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Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 11, 2016, 03:13:16 PM
I hope she goes to sexy Women's Prison. :lawd
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2016, 03:14:22 PM
None of this is illegal.  Just immoral.   
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 11, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
I hope she goes to sexy Women's Prison. :lawd

Like that one from Black Mama, White Mama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcyQmdSP2z8
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 11, 2016, 03:18:35 PM
None of this is illegal.  Just immoral.   

Eh, this thoroughly discredits her. She can't pretend to be an issues person anymore now that we know she's bourgeois slime. She should just own it and go full Kardashian. She already had at least one upskirt pic iirc.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2016, 03:45:00 PM
None of this is illegal.  Just immoral.

It's illegal if you're an American citizen and don't report the income.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 12, 2016, 03:20:23 AM
This will keep rolling for a long time

She already had at least one upskirt pic iirc.

don't pretend you just iirc
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 12, 2016, 07:23:08 AM
"Man, that's fucked up. Can't wait until I'm rich and can get away with that!" - everyone

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

Seriously though the rich are laughing their asses off every time some poor schmuck votes for more deregulation and "freedom"

People need to wake the fuck up
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Huff on May 12, 2016, 07:26:40 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 12, 2016, 10:15:52 AM
This will keep rolling for a long time

She already had at least one upskirt pic iirc.

don't pretend you just iirc

https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1414&bih=769&q=emma+watson+up+skirt&oq=emma+watson+up+skirt&gs_l=img.3...274.5315.0.5460.22.15.1.6.3.0.144.1543.4j10.14.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..1.16.1342...0j0i30j0i24j0i10j0i8i10i30j0i8i30.kBIr25jVKj4#imgrc=1Mh_WDSLO2WlfM%3A

She's basically Lindsay Bluth. Wiki on Lindsay Bluth:

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believing herself to be a dedicated left-wing activist, though she is actually greedy, selfish and materialistic, mainly supporting current trendy causes for the social status
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 12, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
oh sorry I was actually implying you remember that upakirt a lot better then a vague iirc ;)

we all recall that upskirt
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 12, 2016, 10:37:34 AM
oh sorry I was actually implying you remember that upakirt a lot better then a vague iirc ;)

we all recall that upskirt


I do remember a specific one, but I didn't look for it. If MAF is around, he probably remembers it, too. It was from her 18th or 21st birthday or something, and she was getting out of a car or limo, and it looked like there was a big jizz stain on the inside of one of her legs.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2016, 11:36:20 AM
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: thisismyusername on May 12, 2016, 11:43:15 AM
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?

Possible, but why would they offshore under her name when they could've taken the money themselves?
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 12, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?

Her reps talked about it, but they didn't mention her parents. They offered up some weak explanation about how it isn't illegal.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: thisismyusername on May 12, 2016, 11:56:52 AM
She's basically Lindsay Bluth. Wiki on Lindsay Bluth:

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believing herself to be a dedicated left-wing activist, though she is actually greedy, selfish and materialistic, mainly supporting current trendy causes for the social status

Holy shit. You're right. :neogaf When will she get into the free speech cage?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xohzz1_lindseys-cage-dance_fun
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2016, 11:58:08 AM
Another white feminist shows her true colors (white)  :doge
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 12, 2016, 12:52:06 PM
Another white feminist shows her true colors (white)  :doge

  :dolezal
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2016, 01:21:18 PM
Isn't it possible her parents set up the account when she was a kid, for her Harry Potter monies?

She said that she set it up because her personal information is required to be published due to being a shareholder under the U.K.'s laws and she only does this to avoid that and not to launder income that would otherwise be taxable.

I'm not unsympathetic (I personally operate a byzantine arrangement of accounts for privacy reasons), but you can build a great lie on a kernel of truth.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 12, 2016, 01:25:54 PM
She should just own up to it. This would be like the tiniest awful thing I'd be doing if I had Potter money, and I also hold some progressive viewpoints. People need to embrace their hypocrisy. Only then can it not hurt them. There's nothing that prevents me from both being a feminist and wanting to purchase children so that I can cut off their fingers one-by-one with gardening shears.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 12, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Rufus on May 12, 2016, 01:36:10 PM
Doesn't matter what one thing has to do with the other, she's tainted now. People expect purity from their icons, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2016, 02:00:23 PM
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

While your outrage is bounded, ours knows no bound. 
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Trent Dole on May 12, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 12, 2016, 02:14:48 PM
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.

Nobody likes U2, though.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2016, 02:25:59 PM
Emma Watson hasn't done anything to rustle me so I can't really get upset over this. She's not perfect and there's nothing wrong with :money

Amandla Stenberg tho :piss2
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2016, 02:40:37 PM
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.

The Irish get a break though cause they are the least civilized western nation.  Its like how no one really cares about all the Chinese people also caught, including Jackie Chan. 

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Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

She made her money on an adaptation written by a single parent living on public assistance (something funded by tax and, more importantly, future taxes). Setting aside the fact that the welfare state (something that needs tax revenue to function, Chartalists are nutters) is a guarantor of the freedom of women, at the very least she's an incredible ingrate if she participated in this to launder her money.

I don't really think y'all understand this arrangement very well. Should I Vox-splain it?
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

She made her money on an adaptation written by a single parent living on public assistance (something funded by tax and, more importantly, future taxes). Setting aside the fact that the welfare state (something that needs tax revenue to function, Chartalists are nutters) is a guarantor of the freedom of women, at the very least she's an incredible ingrate if she participated in this to launder her money.

I don't really think y'all understand this arrangement very well. Should I Vox-splain it?

Why do you hate job creators
:money
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2016, 04:05:00 PM
Are there even job creators in a communist state?  Kara please explain. 
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 12, 2016, 04:38:11 PM
Wait, people are actually pretending to be shocked about this bullshit? So Emma Watson, who's been a millionaire since she was 9 year old, can't be a feminist anymore because she had some shady tax haven? I don't get it. If anything, I'd expect she'd get more feminist cred for doing something in her 20s that's most often been done by old white guys

She made her money on an adaptation written by a single parent living on public assistance (something funded by tax and, more importantly, future taxes)
. Setting aside the fact that the welfare state (something that needs tax revenue to function, Chartalists are nutters) is a guarantor of the freedom of women, at the very least she's an incredible ingrate if she participated in this to launder her money.

I don't really think y'all understand this arrangement very well. Should I Vox-splain it?
She was nine years old when she made that money. And yeah, setting aside that, a wealthy celebrity is a hypocritical ingrate? Color me shocked. It's almost as if these people pay a team of others to present a public image that's wholly at odds with their true selves. Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2016, 05:07:59 PM
Are there even job creators in a communist state?  Kara please explain.

There are many job creators in Communist states. The dissident creates the need for censors, the counter revolutionary creates the need for political police officers, the Brezhnev gerontocrat creates the need for sundry positions in a bloated military industrial complex, et cetera.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: thisismyusername on May 12, 2016, 06:23:03 PM
Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Real Monsters who did the same thing she did.  :doge :doge :doge Just sayin' :yeshrug
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Yeti on May 12, 2016, 06:48:18 PM
She should have hidden her money in Gringotts like Harry and Ron did. They have dragons to protect her privacy.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 12, 2016, 07:31:25 PM
Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Real Monsters who did the same thing she did.  :doge :doge :doge Just sayin' :yeshrug

Sure, but the unbolded was my main point. I'm gonna speculate that her spending habits have a negligible impact compared to those of Bashar Al-Assad or Vladimir Putin
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: TVC15 on May 12, 2016, 07:39:49 PM
Forgive me for not being able to get worked up something that seems fairly minor in the scale of questionable moral decisions, especially in a leak that deals with real monsters who actually have a modicum of influence over the world

Real Monsters who did the same thing she did.  :doge :doge :doge Just sayin' :yeshrug

Sure, but the unbolded was my main point. I'm gonna speculate that her spending habits have a negligible impact compared to those of Bashar Al-Assad or Vladimir Putin

Whatevs. That was probably Putin's jizz stain in that upskirt pic.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 13, 2016, 06:04:21 AM
U2 have a bunch of their holdings offshore from Ireland and nobody gives a fuck, you're all blowing this way out or proportion.

what?

everybody in ireland hates u2
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Trent Dole on May 13, 2016, 02:51:50 PM
Really? That's kind of great.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: chronovore on May 31, 2016, 08:57:22 AM
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/30/when-brad-birkenfeld-blew-the.html

It's not the Panama Papers, but it is about offshore tax evasion, and Hillary's complicit cooperation with the Swiss to protect their banking and the politically exposed.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on May 31, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
That case was actually my big break in the industry and how it's described is not entirely accurate. Can't really go into an explanation atm because I have to go help people pay less tax who can afford to pay more, but I'll write up more late.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Kara on June 01, 2016, 01:52:39 AM
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/30/when-brad-birkenfeld-blew-the.html

It's not the Panama Papers, but it is about offshore tax evasion, and Hillary's complicit cooperation with the Swiss to protect their banking and the politically exposed.

My belated commentary.

-Calling Bradley Birkenfeld a whistleblower is disingenuous. A more apt description would be: "A criminal who dropped a dime on his crew for a nickel." While he allegedly didn't know what he was doing at UBS (advising Americans on how to get assets to Switzerland to avoid reporting income) was illegal at first, I personally find that an extremely tall tale. You don't get to that level of wealth management with that astounding a level of ignorance. Did I mention that he didn't simply hand over the information to the authorities when his conscience--no doubt helped along by the passage of federal law that monetarily rewards persons who report tax evasion to the authorities--compelled him? No, he tried to trade it for immunity first.

-The 4,450. This article wants you to believe that UBS only had to give up 4,450 names chosen by no real standard and that was the end of the matter. What actually happened was that the IRS said to all taxpayers, "UBS is going to give us 4,450 names. If you confess now you only have to pay a penalty and your back taxes. If you don't confess and your name is on that 4,450, we're going to throw the book at you." Guess what happened? People fell over themselves to confess and avoid potential jail time. Plenty of people without means skate and avoid jail in tax matters. Generally speaking the IRS is more concerned about making sure you rendered unto Caesar, not crucifying you.

-Name and Shame. IRC Sec. 6103 severely limits what taxpayer information may be shared by the IRS. I'm not exactly one to fetishize rule of law, but this one exists to protect taxpayers (from FDR to Nixon this information was abused for political purposes prior to its passage) and give them peace of mind in reporting very sensitive information (e.g. medical records, religious affiliations). Ultimately the #1 interest of the IRS is getting people to file their required returns, not assuaging public curiosity.

-The United States is an international tax haven. Delaware is the one you might be familiar with, but Florida is something like the Switzerland of Latin America. (The U.S. welcomes money hidden from leftist governments for "political" reasons? Color me shocked.) Because of this topic that generally goes undiscussed outside tax periodicals it has been difficult for the Treasury Department to modernize reporting reciprocity with foreign countries since countries usually want something for something. The UBS incident gave the U.S. cause to leverage the Swiss into coming more into the fold... I don't think people really realize how huge it was to even get 4,450 names in the first place. Check out the agreement, it's pretty lopsided in favor of the U.S. https://www.justice.gov/tax/file/631356/download
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 07, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
Denmark is buying the Panama papers for 1 million euro to chase down evaders

best country

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/07/to-fight-tax-dodging-denmark-will-buy-leaked-panama-papers.html
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: chronovore on September 07, 2016, 06:26:25 PM
I was wondering what what going on with this. I expected this to be larger news than it has been.
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on September 07, 2016, 06:48:01 PM
I was wondering what what going on with this. I expected this to be larger news than it has been.

It fizzled out pretty quick. Not enough juicy bits for the public at large ?
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 07, 2016, 06:56:57 PM
Lamest country ever....shitting on those good people like that. :doge
Title: Re: Panama Papers
Post by: VomKriege on September 22, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
Le Monde is reporting that the group of outlets working on the "Panama Papers" had access to new leaked files from Bahamas. Neelie Kroes, former commissar to competition in the Barroso european executive, failed to disclosed while in office that she was administrating an offshore company in the Bahamas. That company was supposed to take part in the buyout of the international activities in Enron for United Emirates investors back in the early 2000, but that never went through.

She claims was a "non executive administrator" and that she left in 2002 and being listed on board until 2009 was a clerical error.