I find your latest tirades misguided.
Saying "no lgbt bullshit" in the Dave Chappelle thread is also misguided.
Dave complaining about racism but scoffing at lgbt issues while trans women of color are beaten and killed and no one cares, is pretty big deal, and the fact that Chappelle applies the idea that lgbt = white is fucked up. What black LGBT people have to go through is pretty harsh, and Chappelle pretending that we don't exist as he goes on his tirades against our culture while talking about blackness is a spit in the face.
This makes him a dumb ass at best, flaming hypocrite at worst.
And labeling any criticism aimed his way as sjw bullshit is incredibly foolish.
you have essentially taken the extremes of neogaf and applied it to a situation you're probably not entirely familiar with because of gaf's ridiculousness. That said, I have not watched special, and I will not have any trouble doing so probably. After all, I'm a massive fan of movies like The Warriors, where the word taco is used pretty liberally.
This doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to talk about it, especially if Dave is going to use his stand up to talk politics as usual. If Dave is going to address politics, then addressing his politics is fair game. You're just too craven to stand up to it because of a bunch of uptight assholes at gaf.
Not that it bothers me because I no longer contribute to the dumpster fire that is game forums. I just wanted to point out that your points are reactionary to neogaf's idiocy rather than holding any measured discussion, which makes your position look equally as extreme as gaf's.
Yeah who would lurk a message board they can't/don't post on anymore :dogeWaiting on the new round of approvals for dat alt account :smug
This thread was meant to discuss the comedy special and enjoy the jokes, not for whining. Take that to the hug box thread Positive Touch.
This thread was meant to discuss the comedy special and enjoy the jokes, not for whining. Take that to the hug box thread Positive Touch.wow don't be so sensitive bro
Yeah who would lurk a message board they can't/don't post on anymore :dogeWaiting on the new round of approvals for dat alt account :smug
Yeah who would lurk a message board they can't/don't post on anymore :dogeWaiting on the new round of approvals for dat alt account :smug
...why?
Dark theme is for people who put black lights in their computer, drink monster, and primarily listen to video game music. :yuckAnd if it's because of the glare and eye strain, install Flux like a civilized person. :snob
100 posts per page and dat dark themehttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/index.php?&styleid=40 dark theme
Dark theme is for people who put black lights in their computer, drink monster, and primarily listen to video game music. :yuck
100 posts per page and dat dark themehttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/index.php?&styleid=40 dark theme
oh no he made jokes about stuff
I watched some of it last night and tbh wasn't feeling it at all. I'll finish it this weekend.
Maybe his time was a decade ago and that’s the way it’s going to be. Things are differently now and rightly so. He’ll have to adapt or be remembered as a great ‘00s comedian.I've had the same thought about George Carlin in recent years. I really enjoyed watching his bits from the 70s and 80s on YouTube when I was in my early teens. These days the thought of listening to an old white man ranting about how we've gotten "too politically correct" strikes me as mostly pathetic and boring at best.
I’m concerned that because of his popularity bigoted white men will feel emboldened to be a little more openly bigoted. “What? I’m just quoting Dave Chapelle! Relax!”We've already got shitheads spraying swastikas around and calling in bomb threats to fucking children's centers, can't really get much worse than it already is. :(
Maybe I’m a snowflake now, but I thought a lot of his jokes and terminology to be kind of dated in regards to rape and lgbtqi issues. I mean he uses a slur for gays for no reason. He jokes about making a woman suck his dick. Look at the crowd during the Cosby bits—the women are clearly uncomfortable.
I’m concerned that because of his popularity bigoted white men will feel emboldened to be a little more openly bigoted. “What? I’m just quoting Dave Chapelle! Relax!”
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Maybe his time was a decade ago and that’s the way it’s going to be. Things are differently now and rightly so. He’ll have to adapt or be remembered as a great ‘00s comedian.
I’m concerned that because of his popularity bigoted white men will feel emboldened to be a little more openly bigoted. “What? I’m just quoting Dave Chapelle! Relax!”We've already got shitheads spraying swastikas around and calling in bomb threats to fucking children's centers, can't really get much worse than it already is. :(
Dunkeyjustifies it
Maybe I’m a snowflake now, but I thought a lot of his jokes and terminology to be kind of dated in regards to rape and lgbtqi issues. I mean he uses a slur for gays for no reason. He jokes about making a woman suck his dick. Look at the crowd during the Cosby bits—the women are clearly uncomfortable.
I’m concerned that because of his popularity bigoted white men will feel emboldened to be a little more openly bigoted. “What? I’m just quoting Dave Chapelle! Relax!”
:-\
Maybe his time was a decade ago and that’s the way it’s going to be. Things are differently now and rightly so. He’ll have to adapt or be remembered as a great ‘00s comedian.
The rape thing was pretty fucking brilliant. It was a long joke that basically begged the important question a lot of this current year has failed to grasp, that the human condition is complex and things can not be judged on a black and white scale. All or nothing. Cosby is a monster but lets also take a moment to understand why things played out like they did with some people wanting to convince themselves differently. Which is thought inducing in the sense of how all our biases shape the way we view things.
I would need a bit more specifics on the LGBTQ stuff though. I guess the whole go out and decide who is more gay and they are the wife thing? But even that was part of a larger commentary about the unfortunate but necessary way change is achieved and that is through incrementalism. Slow your roll or you will get steamrolled or however he was talking about it.
It reminds me of the endless threads on GAF(or reddit or eye-rolling stuck up millennial blogs) about how people would vilify Bill and Hillary because they didn't take a 2016 type stance on a political issue like gay marriage in 1993. Or how Obama was a fraud because he didn't come out in strong support of gay marriage in 2008.
If some low IQ shitheads that can't recognize that Chappelle's heart is in the right place, and often his brain as well, and they use this stuff to calcify their prejudice, thats a pre-existing condition and shouldn't be a reason to try and censor or condemn the comedy.
Performative Allyship- When a non-marginalized person displays their “allyship” and “solidarity” with a marginalized people through silent statements as opposed to real actions, thus serving no real purpose than to make the “ally” feel better about themselves. For instance, the 2016 safety pin trend, which allowed people to feel proud of themselves for doing the very least, when they could have instead donated, demonstrated, actually gone and bashed the fash, etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaqI20WHyk
Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.
Misogynoir- Misogyny that is specific to the experience of the black woman. Black meaning usually black Africans, African Americans, afro Latinos etc.
Bailey coined misogynoir in 2010 while she was a graduate student at Emory University. She first used it on the Crunk Feminist Collective blog to discuss misogyny toward black women in hip hop music.[3][4]
Misogynoir combines "misogyny" and "noir" to describe anti-black sexism faced by black women. Bailey considered other words (including "sistagyny") before settling on misogynoir.
I know there’s not any black women posters here anymore, but even so I’m not sure making fun of a word they invented to describe the specific oppression they face is a very cool thing to do.
(http://i.imgur.com/3QgOzyw.jpg)
I know there’s not any black women posters here anymore, but even so I’m not sure making fun of a word they invented to describe the specific oppression they face is a very cool thing to do.It's okay tho, they don't read the dumpster fires that are gaming forums.
Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.
Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.
How about the people that get so laughably triggered because a person offers up an analysis that doesn't jive with their emotional reaction watching something?
I mean his use of some words and some light framing issues could probably of been improved but the underlying points are what are important and what a person should be judged on. Would you not agree?
Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.
How about the people that get so laughably triggered because a person offers up an analysis that doesn't jive with their emotional reaction watching something?
I mean his use of some words and some light framing issues could probably of been improved but the underlying points are what are important and what a person should be judged on. Would you not agree?
Because believe it or not people get annoyed by the pretentious and the humorless who are always trying to ruin everyone's party with their stupid fucking agendas. I would have the same reaction if someone bitched because Chappelle called himself a feminist or talked about race (the Trumptards probably did btw). Stop whining about everything assholes, I think I speak for the majority when I say that we've reached peak saturation on agenda-driven bitching. You want to talk about politics talk about actual politics but don't use comedy or videogames as your fucking podium to do it.
Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.
How about the people that get so laughably triggered because a person offers up an analysis that doesn't jive with their emotional reaction watching something?
I mean his use of some words and some light framing issues could probably of been improved but the underlying points are what are important and what a person should be judged on. Would you not agree?
Because believe it or not people get annoyed by the pretentious and the humorless who are always trying to ruin everyone's party with their stupid fucking agendas. I would have the same reaction if someone bitched because Chappelle called himself a feminist or talked about race (the Trumptards probably did btw). Stop whining about everything assholes, I think I speak for the majority when I say that we've reached peak saturation on agenda-driven bitching. You want to talk about politics talk about actual politics but don't use comedy or videogames as your fucking podium to do it.
Most modern stand-up comedy has always had an underlying narrative that talks about the human condition or some sociological phenomenon. It can be race relations like Chappelle, generational and personal differences on the use of certain words like Louis C.K., or in the case of someone like Jim Norton, who just likes to talk about porn habits and banging prostitutes.
So it is completely reasonable to be analyzing those aspects of a comedy. I don't have any problem with that.
I also don't give a shit if someone just wants to sit back and zone out and hear jokes and not be bothered to reflect on any of that shit. Thats probably the vast majority of people. But if we are gonna jump into the analysis game, I prefer it to be more then just passing superficial value judgments based on how one cherry picked part of a larger bit stands up to isolated scrutiny.
I watched some of the first special before heading out. Got to where he was pitching movies to a gay dude and a Texan. It's stand up? Like the queer movie pitch wasn't that great or funny but whatever.
I watched some of the first special before heading out. Got to where he was pitching movies to a gay dude and a Texan. It's stand up? Like the queer movie pitch wasn't that great or funny but whatever.
Don't want to spoil anything but it's a rather needlessly lengthy and mediocre setup to a later joke. Watch the other special, it's far better imo.
I just want to know where all you talking about how the specials were offensive were when Chappelle's Show was on. You definitely didn't watch that shit or you wouldn't be confused and hurt that Dave Chappelle tells offensive jokes. Holy fuck. Do you watch comedy shows, or do you just skim through it?
Is porn the only avenue where cheeseburger is still an acceptable term
In their respective industries transistors and transmissions are sometimes shortened to cheeseburger. No idea how widespread it is at this point.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/BjeiL8WnqByKY/giphy.gif)Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.
How about the people that get so laughably triggered because a person offers up an analysis that doesn't jive with their emotional reaction watching something?
I mean his use of some words and some light framing issues could probably of been improved but the underlying points are what are important and what a person should be judged on. Would you not agree?
Because believe it or not people get annoyed by the pretentious and the humorless who are always trying to ruin everyone's party with their stupid fucking agendas. I would have the same reaction if someone bitched because Chappelle called himself a feminist or talked about race (the Trumptards probably did btw). Stop whining about everything assholes, I think I speak for the majority when I say that we've reached peak saturation on agenda-driven bitching. You want to talk about politics talk about actual politics but don't use comedy or videogames as your fucking podium to do it.
Most modern stand-up comedy has always had an underlying narrative that talks about the human condition or some sociological phenomenon. It can be race relations like Chappelle, generational and personal differences on the use of certain words like Louis C.K., or in the case of someone like Jim Norton, who just likes to talk about porn habits and banging prostitutes.
So it is completely reasonable to be analyzing those aspects of a comedy. I don't have any problem with that.
I also don't give a shit if someone just wants to sit back and zone out and hear jokes and not be bothered to reflect on any of that shit. Thats probably the vast majority of people. But if we are gonna jump into the analysis game, I prefer it to be more then just passing superficial value judgments based on how one cherry picked part of a larger bit stands up to isolated scrutiny.
Except that you're not judging aspects of comedy, you're judging political aspects of a comedic show that 99% of the time uses hyperbole to entertain. Same exact problem with videogames, "but why isn't she using full armor to protect her entire body?", "but why are this character's physical features so unrealistic". Because sex and hyperbole sells and entertains, geniuses. But please, keep it going, as if the public didn't need another reason to hate the identity politics nutjobs from both sides.
And for the record, if you don't like the underlying politics of a show/comedian/developer don't fucking watch it; but don't pretend to "analyze" a show whose main goal is to make you laugh. I don't like Schumer's politics and comedy but I don't go analyzing her shitty special, I just didn't watch it. And even if I did, I'd probably comment on her... let's call it comedy, I wouldn't try to find the hidden political meaning behind her vagina jokes.
I love that shit and I like the Carmichael show, but i was really frustrated by the "i want to care but i can't!" opening. I rewatched it and once he gets more personal it gets a lot better but idk
Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling
Most stand up specials are awful. If you laugh a couple times, then they're pretty good. If you laugh a few times, then they're in the upper tier.
There's a reason why most Netflix comedy specials are one star. For the real stand up experience, you pretty much have to be trashed and in the audience to really enjoy them.
Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling
If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining. Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.
There's zero passivity here, you're a fucking idiot and you should jump in a volcano. Here; the content of your posts and your skull are total dogshit and no one should bother responding to them. There ya go! Suck my balls.Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling
If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining. Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.
I put comedy specials on when I can't fall asleep at night. That or inceptionFUCK YOU
There's zero passivity here, you're a fucking idiot and you should jump in a volcano. Here; the content of your posts and your skull are total dogshit and no one should bother responding to them. There ya go! Suck my balls.Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling
If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining. Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.
Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling
If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining. Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.
i can definitely tell you the content of your posts completely fucking sucks
There's zero passivity here, you're a fucking idiot and you should jump in a volcano. Here; the content of your posts and your skull are total dogshit and no one should bother responding to them. There ya go! Suck my balls.Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling
If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining. Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.
That fucking Bill Cosby joke :rofl
Wow, Dave is really triggering people here. :doge
QuotePerformative Allyship- When a non-marginalized person displays their “allyship” and “solidarity” with a marginalized people through silent statements as opposed to real actions, thus serving no real purpose than to make the “ally” feel better about themselves. For instance, the 2016 safety pin trend, which allowed people to feel proud of themselves for doing the very least, when they could have instead donated, demonstrated, actually gone and bashed the fash, etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaqI20WHyk
this is perfectQuoteMisogynoir- Misogyny that is specific to the experience of the black woman. Black meaning usually black Africans, African Americans, afro Latinos etc.QuoteBailey coined misogynoir in 2010 while she was a graduate student at Emory University. She first used it on the Crunk Feminist Collective blog to discuss misogyny toward black women in hip hop music.[3][4]
Misogynoir combines "misogyny" and "noir" to describe anti-black sexism faced by black women. Bailey considered other words (including "sistagyny") before settling on misogynoir.
Sistagyny lmao:ufup
I just want to know where all you talking about how the specials were offensive were when Chappelle's Show was on. You definitely didn't watch that shit or you wouldn't be confused and hurt that Dave Chappelle tells offensive jokes. Holy fuck. Do you watch comedy shows, or do you just skim through it?
:ufupThis and earlier comments seem to confuse making light of or enjoying specific terminology choices to be also some form of mocking or dismissing what the term was being used to describe as unimportant or non-existent or unserious or what have you. But where's the fun in understanding that?
There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism. Misogynoir is a very real pernicious aspect of a black woman’s life. Black men and white women love to demand (and often end up receiving) black women’s attention and labor for their respective issues, but rarely return the favor. I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible. Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.
A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing. They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome. Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir. You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular. It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.:ufupThis and earlier comments seem to confuse making light of or enjoying specific terminology choices to be also some form of mocking or dismissing what the term was being used to describe as unimportant or non-existent or unserious or what have you. But where's the fun in understanding that?
There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism. Misogynoir is a very real pernicious aspect of a black woman’s life. Black men and white women love to demand (and often end up receiving) black women’s attention and labor for their respective issues, but rarely return the favor. I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible. Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.
A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing. They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome. Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir. You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular. It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.
There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism. ... I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible. Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.A graduate student cleverly created a portmanteau after considering some terrible alternatives. Six years later Katy Perry used it in a tweet about Leslie Jones which got it traction outside obscure social science circles for a week. Both before and after the plight existed, irregardless of it having a compact, creative and illustrative term to toss around in explainers.
That's 50 lashes, friend-o.A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing. They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome. Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir. You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular. It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.QuoteThere’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism. ... I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible. Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.A graduate student cleverly created a portmanteau after considering some terrible alternatives. Six years later Katy Perry used it in a tweet about Leslie Jones which got it traction outside obscure social science circles for a week. Both before and after the plight existed, irregardless of it having a compact, creative and illustrative term to toss around in explainers.
The conflation of an inner group use term and the actual actions it intends to describe is both problematic and bad optics to say the least. Leveling that as the intent seems to be somewhat prejudicial in nature.
In any case, I agreed with Bailey. Misogynoir is amusingly perfect, sistagyny is comparatively silly.
Popping in to say I'm not offended by what FatalT posted before me. I just find the comparison to be :holeup -worthy because it's a poor comparison. Like I said, I get what he's saying. It's just a poor-set-up to make a joke.What? I don't even know which post you're referring to because it's been like 4 days since I posted in here and then there was textual slap fight. I don't think anyone who posted really acknowledged you being offended or not over anything.
Popping in to say I'm not offended by what FatalT posted before me. I just find the comparison to be :holeup -worthy because it's a poor comparison. Like I said, I get what he's saying. It's just a poor-set-up to make a joke.What? I don't even know which post you're referring to because it's been like 4 days since I posted in here and then there was textual slap fight. I don't think anyone who posted really acknowledged you being offended or not over anything.
A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing. They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome. Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir. You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular. It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.QuoteThere’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism. ... I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible. Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.A graduate student cleverly created a portmanteau after considering some terrible alternatives. Six years later Katy Perry used it in a tweet about Leslie Jones which got it traction outside obscure social science circles for a week. Both before and after the plight existed, irregardless of it having a compact, creative and illustrative term to toss around in explainers.
The conflation of an inner group use term and the actual actions it intends to describe is both problematic and bad optics to say the least. Leveling that as the intent seems to be somewhat prejudicial in nature.
In any case, I agreed with Bailey. Misogynoir is amusingly perfect, sistagyny is comparatively silly.