Dave Chappelle: Collection 1 Netflix Stand-Up Special

[Rufus]

In their respective industries transistors and transmissions are sometimes shortened to cheeseburger. No idea how widespread it is at this point.

[FatalT]

In their respective industries transistors and transmissions are sometimes shortened to cheeseburger. No idea how widespread it is at this point.

I've been to an AutoZone before so I know a thing or two about cheeseburgers. Get in the Zone.

[Nola]

Jesus fucking Christ why can't we just say we like some ignorant-ass offensive jokes instead of trying to convince everyone they're not offensive? try it guys; trust me, it's easy.

How about the people that get so laughably triggered because a person offers up an analysis that doesn't jive with their emotional reaction watching something?

I mean his use of some words and some light framing issues could probably of been improved but the underlying points are what are important and what a person should be judged on. Would you not agree?

Because believe it or not people get annoyed by the pretentious and the humorless who are always trying to ruin everyone's party with their stupid fucking agendas. I would have the same reaction if someone bitched because Chappelle called himself a feminist or talked about race (the Trumptards probably did btw). Stop whining about everything assholes, I think I speak for the majority when I say that we've reached peak saturation on agenda-driven bitching. You want to talk about politics talk about actual politics but don't use comedy or videogames as your fucking podium to do it.

Most modern stand-up comedy has always had an underlying narrative that talks about the human condition or some sociological phenomenon. It can be race relations like Chappelle, generational and personal differences on the use of certain words like Louis C.K., or in the case of someone like Jim Norton, who just likes to talk about porn habits and banging prostitutes.

So it is completely reasonable to be analyzing those aspects of a comedy. I don't have any problem with that.

I also don't give a shit if someone just wants to sit back and zone out and hear jokes and not be bothered to reflect on any of that shit. Thats probably the vast majority of people. But if we are gonna jump into the analysis game, I prefer it to be more then just passing superficial value judgments based on how one cherry picked part of a larger bit stands up to isolated scrutiny.

Except that you're not judging aspects of comedy, you're judging political aspects of a comedic show that 99% of the time uses hyperbole to entertain. Same exact problem with videogames, "but why isn't she using full armor to protect her entire body?", "but why are this character's physical features so unrealistic". Because sex and hyperbole sells and entertains, geniuses. But please, keep it going, as if the public didn't need another reason to hate the identity politics nutjobs from both sides.

And for the record, if you don't like the underlying politics of a show/comedian/developer don't fucking watch it; but don't pretend to "analyze" a show whose main goal is to make you laugh. I don't like Schumer's politics and comedy but I don't go analyzing her shitty special, I just didn't watch it. And even if I did, I'd probably comment on her... let's call it comedy, I wouldn't try to find the hidden political meaning behind her vagina jokes.

But by all means, lets equivocate analyzing an intentional social commentary from a comedian with fucking video game armor.

I mean I get that taking hyperbole literally and out of context is ridiculous, I thought that was pretty clear in pretty much every post. The rest of that rant is leaving me scratching my head a little bit.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I've been dying for him to do anything since For What It's Worth, Killing 'Em Softly is probably my favorite standup set of all time. The two new ones are awesome but they don't pack the 'oomph' of the first two. I think he can definitely get back to that level of punch, but he comes off a little out of touch here to be honest. Super Self Aware 2017 Dave Chappelle comes off as a quite a bit less subversive than My Hope Still Lives 2002 Dave Chappelle

[seagrams hotsauce]

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

[seagrams hotsauce]

Vaguely on topic but did anyone watch the new Jerrod Carmichael special on HBO? I liked his first one but I had to tap out after the first ten or fifteen minutes

[Positive Touch]

I never heard anything by him except his role in the Lucas bros but I thought that stand-up he just put out was fucking hilarious. most of it seemed like it was designed to make the audience uncomfortable, which is my favorite kind of comedy.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I love that shit and I like the Carmichael show, but i was really frustrated by the "i want to care but i can't!" opening. I rewatched it and once he gets more personal it gets a lot better but idk

[Momo]

That fucking Bill Cosby joke

[toku]

I love that shit and I like the Carmichael show, but i was really frustrated by the "i want to care but i can't!" opening. I rewatched it and once he gets more personal it gets a lot better but idk

How i felt as well.

[Optimus]

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining.  Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.

[etiolate]

After watching these two specials, I watched the Jim Norton special and it's pretty good.

[Sugar Pie Honey Bunch]

They weren't spectacular, but I laughed out loud a few times during both shows. Unless, of course, you want to compare them to 99% of the other Netflix Original dire comedy specials I've wasted an hour of my life staring at blankly. Then I guess I'd put them in classic territory.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Most stand up specials are awful.  If you laugh a couple times, then they're pretty good.  If you laugh a few times, then they're in the upper tier.

There's a reason why most Netflix comedy specials are one star.  For the real stand up experience, you pretty much have to be trashed and in the audience to really enjoy them.

[FatalT]

Most stand up specials are awful.  If you laugh a couple times, then they're pretty good.  If you laugh a few times, then they're in the upper tier.

There's a reason why most Netflix comedy specials are one star.  For the real stand up experience, you pretty much have to be trashed and in the audience to really enjoy them.

Or just trashed in general.

[Positive Touch]

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining.  Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.

i can definitely tell you the content of your posts completely fucking sucks

[CatsCatsCats]

Didn't even get through Bill Burr's, Jim Norton's was pretty good

[seagrams hotsauce]

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining.  Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.

There's zero passivity here, you're a fucking idiot and you should jump in a volcano. Here; the content of your posts and your skull are total dogshit and no one should bother responding to them. There ya go! Suck my balls.

[Huff]

I put comedy specials on when I can't fall asleep at night. That or inception

[Mupepe]

I put comedy specials on when I can't fall asleep at night. That or inception

FUCK YOU

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[Huff]

Haha I actually like the movie. At some point on a rewatch i realized it was good at pulling me to sleep

[etiolate]

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining.  Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.

There's zero passivity here, you're a fucking idiot and you should jump in a volcano. Here; the content of your posts and your skull are total dogshit and no one should bother responding to them. There ya go! Suck my balls.

yah but you're a pile of shit so what does it matter coming from you?

[seagrams hotsauce]

The irony of that comment coming from a guy who ran away from the board cuz of gamergate and came back cuz trump won

[etiolate]

I left because I found certain people here to be vile and didn't like what they were showing of themselves.

[benjipwns]

they were probably just being post-post-ironic

[Optimus]

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining.  Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.

i can definitely tell you the content of your posts completely fucking sucks

I don't give a flying fuck about your opinion until you actually try to argue against that content.

Also lmfao @ ppl still actually feeding into sloptimus' z-tier trolling

If you have anything to say about the content of my posts say it otherwise shut the fuck up with your pathetic passive aggressive shit and stop whining.  Jesus Christ, this must be the 100th time you do this, have some fucking dignity ffs.

There's zero passivity here, you're a fucking idiot and you should jump in a volcano. Here; the content of your posts and your skull are total dogshit and no one should bother responding to them. There ya go! Suck my balls.

And you're a whiny little bitch that thinks that being butthurt 24/7 is an argument. Go fuck yourself. OK? Is this the lever of discussion you want here? Because I can gladly offer it to dipshits like you.

[CatsCatsCats]

Quit being fucking babies

[bork]

Wow, Dave is really triggering people here. 

[Baiano19]

That fucking Bill Cosby joke

The moment he start talikng about the second world war until the end was perfection. Nola described well why I loved that part so much.

Wow, Dave is really triggering people here. 

The irony is that people were mocking GAF because Evilore was exposed and banned/deleted a bunch of posters.

Come on gus, you are better than that.

[PlayDat]

Performative Allyship- When a non-marginalized person displays their “allyship” and “solidarity” with a marginalized people through silent statements as opposed to real actions, thus serving no real purpose than to make the “ally” feel better about themselves. For instance, the 2016 safety pin trend, which allowed people to feel proud of themselves for doing the very least, when they could have instead donated, demonstrated, actually gone and bashed the fash, etc.

Performative Allyship/faux-activism is criticized on The Bore all the time.  This place just doesn’t have a term for it.
Examples
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44793.msg2232566#msg2232566
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ef60n7vifec89uasck6ifue3f7&topic=44500.msg2243397#msg2243397
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44722.msg2220162#msg2220162

this is perfect

Misogynoir- Misogyny that is specific to the experience of the black woman. Black meaning usually black Africans, African Americans, afro Latinos etc.

Bailey coined misogynoir in 2010 while she was a graduate student at Emory University. She first used it on the Crunk Feminist Collective blog to discuss misogyny toward black women in hip hop music.[3][4]

Misogynoir combines "misogyny" and "noir" to describe anti-black sexism faced by black women. Bailey considered other words (including "sistagyny") before settling on misogynoir.

Sistagyny lmao

There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism.  Misogynoir is a very real pernicious aspect of a black woman’s life.  Black men and white women love to demand (and often end up receiving) black women’s attention and labor for their respective issues, but rarely return the favor.  I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible.  Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.

I just want to know where all you talking about how the specials were offensive were when Chappelle's Show was on. You definitely didn't watch that shit or you wouldn't be confused and hurt that Dave Chappelle tells offensive jokes. Holy fuck. Do you watch comedy shows, or do you just skim through it?

It’s been more than a decade since the show ended.  No one is the same person they were in 2006, including Chappelle.  He failed to keep pace with the rest of the world.  I have no data on this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the the criticism is coming from people who watched the show when it was still airing.  I’ve personally drifted from left of center to far left over that time period.  On some issues I’ve done a 180 and on others I went from silent opposition to more vocal criticism.  Whatever the reason for the heightened outrage, I don’t find “It’s always been that way,” to be a very convincing reason to keep quiet about these things.

[benjipwns]

There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism.  Misogynoir is a very real pernicious aspect of a black woman’s life.  Black men and white women love to demand (and often end up receiving) black women’s attention and labor for their respective issues, but rarely return the favor.  I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible.  Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.

This and earlier comments seem to confuse making light of or enjoying specific terminology choices to be also some form of mocking or dismissing what the term was being used to describe as unimportant or non-existent or unserious or what have you. But where's the fun in understanding that?

[PlayDat]

There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism.  Misogynoir is a very real pernicious aspect of a black woman’s life.  Black men and white women love to demand (and often end up receiving) black women’s attention and labor for their respective issues, but rarely return the favor.  I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible.  Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.

This and earlier comments seem to confuse making light of or enjoying specific terminology choices to be also some form of mocking or dismissing what the term was being used to describe as unimportant or non-existent or unserious or what have you. But where's the fun in understanding that?

A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing.  They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome.  Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir.  You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular.  It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.

[etiolate]

Your punishment for your stupid is to say the word misogynoir out loud to random people for the rest of the week.

[Trent Dole]

Misogynoir sounds like a bad Marilyn Manson song/album title tbh.

[benjipwns]

A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing.  They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome.  Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir.  You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular.  It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.

There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism.  ...   I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible.  Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.

A graduate student cleverly created a portmanteau after considering some terrible alternatives. Six years later Katy Perry used it in a tweet about Leslie Jones which got it traction outside obscure social science circles for a week. Both before and after the plight existed, irregardless of it having a compact, creative and illustrative term to toss around in explainers.

The conflation of an inner group use term and the actual actions it intends to describe is both problematic and bad optics to say the least. Leveling that as the intent seems to be somewhat prejudicial in nature.

In any case, I agreed with Bailey. Misogynoir is amusingly perfect, sistagyny is comparatively silly.

[Rufus]

A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing.  They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome.  Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir.  You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular.  It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.

There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism.  ...   I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible.  Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.

A graduate student cleverly created a portmanteau after considering some terrible alternatives. Six years later Katy Perry used it in a tweet about Leslie Jones which got it traction outside obscure social science circles for a week. Both before and after the plight existed, irregardless of it having a compact, creative and illustrative term to toss around in explainers.

The conflation of an inner group use term and the actual actions it intends to describe is both problematic and bad optics to say the least. Leveling that as the intent seems to be somewhat prejudicial in nature.

In any case, I agreed with Bailey. Misogynoir is amusingly perfect, sistagyny is comparatively silly.

That's 50 lashes, friend-o.

[thisismyusername]

Popping in to say I'm not offended by what FatalT posted before me. I just find the comparison to be -worthy because it's a poor comparison. Like I said, I get what he's saying. It's just a poor-set-up to make a joke.

[FatalT]

Popping in to say I'm not offended by what FatalT posted before me. I just find the comparison to be -worthy because it's a poor comparison. Like I said, I get what he's saying. It's just a poor-set-up to make a joke.

What? I don't even know which post you're referring to because it's been like 4 days since I posted in here and then there was textual slap fight. I don't think anyone who posted really acknowledged you being offended or not over anything.

[thisismyusername]

Popping in to say I'm not offended by what FatalT posted before me. I just find the comparison to be -worthy because it's a poor comparison. Like I said, I get what he's saying. It's just a poor-set-up to make a joke.

What? I don't even know which post you're referring to because it's been like 4 days since I posted in here and then there was textual slap fight. I don't think anyone who posted really acknowledged you being offended or not over anything.

Oh, I know. Benji posted elsewhere as if I was offended in this thread, but I really ain't.

[PlayDat]

A group of people is unfairly attacked simply for existing.  They gave their plight a name so that it's easier to discuss and eventually overcome.  Making light of their terminology is a form of misogynoir.  You might not have intended it, but you're poking fun at a term created by and for black women that's on the cusp of entering the vernacular.  It's "worst words of 2016" all over again.

There’s absolutely nothing humorous about misogyny laced racism.  ...   I don’t expect anyone who isn’t a black woman to completely get it (I try my best and still learn new things regularly), but the least you can do is take it seriously and inform yourself as much as possible.  Please refrain from shit talking topics you don’t understand.

A graduate student cleverly created a portmanteau after considering some terrible alternatives. Six years later Katy Perry used it in a tweet about Leslie Jones which got it traction outside obscure social science circles for a week. Both before and after the plight existed, irregardless of it having a compact, creative and illustrative term to toss around in explainers.

The conflation of an inner group use term and the actual actions it intends to describe is both problematic and bad optics to say the least. Leveling that as the intent seems to be somewhat prejudicial in nature.

In any case, I agreed with Bailey. Misogynoir is amusingly perfect, sistagyny is comparatively silly.

I get your point about finding the term funny rather than what it describes. Harping at the descriptor suggests either a lack of familiarity with the topic or legit disdain for the inner group.  I’ll grant you the benefit of the doubt that you’re in the former category.  It’s still harmful to trivialize a tool they use to mitigate their struggle.  By laughing at the term you’re worsening the experience it describes.

In 2017, there are still people who find the term cisgender similarly amusing.  They focus on the term rather than what it means to be cisgender as a way to avoid confronting their own prejudices and privilege that comes with their identity.  I use that example because it’s a relatively new term (at least as far as I know) that used to be even more commonly scoffed at.  Misogynoir might never attain the same permanence in mainstream discussion, but I hope you understand my concern at seeing it (meaning the term, not the thing itself) being mocked.