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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: headwalk on January 14, 2018, 02:04:54 AM

Title: Cryptards get out
Post by: headwalk on January 14, 2018, 02:04:54 AM: I feel like i should be able to get a government bond for a GPU because i'm going to be using it for something other than smashing crypto rocks as part of a glorified pyramid scheme.

my girlfriend had some bloke asking her for advice when she went to pick up the takeaway the other day. no doubt the has he's already plunged his second mortgage in buying a rack of £200 GPUs for £500 each.

had my eye on a nice WQHD monitor and a beefy card or two to drive it, using it to render at home instead of having to use the nodes in the office, but fuck that for a game of soldiers. you're paying twice as much for a 2016 card as it used to cost a few months after launch.

you just know nvidia have had their eye on mooks dropping a grand on a new phone and want in on that action, and now that cryptards have opened that door it's never going to shut.

RANT
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Akala on January 14, 2018, 04:24:23 AM: It's fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 14, 2018, 05:41:56 AM: LOL at this sad nocoiner
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Trent Dole on January 14, 2018, 06:28:14 AM: Yeah buttcoin is fucking stupid, is there even an actual ROI for it vs the cost of having a bunch of rigs running? :doge
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on January 14, 2018, 10:01:18 AM: From what I’ve read GPU mining is not even profitable anymore.

But yeah, I was going to upgrade a few months back but couldn’t stomach the idea that a GTX 1070 was actually MORE expensive now than at launch.

I had not looked at prices since before Xmas and holy shit! That’s insane. The current situation has to be hurting the entire pc gaming industry. Amazon doesn’t have a 1070 available for less than $700!
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on January 14, 2018, 10:08:53 AM: It wasn't, now it is again. It depends on the coin and the algorithm used.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Freyj on January 14, 2018, 12:53:00 PM: PoS coins now
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: TEEEPO on January 14, 2018, 09:25:15 PM: i remember feeling really poor during the first few waves of bitcoin mining hysteria. being stuck with a 460 didn't feel good man

but this time around, having a 1070 in my rig never felt better :smug
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: nudemacusers on January 15, 2018, 08:51:04 AM: lmao the piddly 1050ti I bought last spring is now twice the price wtf. 1080’s are a grand... guess I’ll skip an upgrade next month.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2018, 01:08:56 PM: I paid about $450 for a 1070 about 18 months ago, now it's going for over $1000. :neogaf
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Atramental on January 15, 2018, 01:13:51 PM: Your pain is my gain. :money

spoiler (click to show/hide)
now I understand what rich republicans feel like :doge
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Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 15, 2018, 01:30:36 PM: Glad I bought my 1070 last year. Jesus.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: thisismyusername on January 15, 2018, 01:58:31 PM: Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2018, 01:08:56 PM
I paid about $450 for a 1070 about 18 months ago, now it's going for over $1000. :neogaf

Yeah, apparently even the 1060 (which is a budget card IIRC) is going for more than what I paid for it like two years ago. It's crazy.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on January 15, 2018, 02:14:16 PM: I wonder what the heck Nvidia and AMD will do.

This is honestly not a good problem to have.

In the short term, it had increased demand because of people’s dumb get rich quick schemes, but at the same time, it’s risky to increase production, because by the time you cAtch up with demand the bubble might burst leaving you holding the bag.

But at the same time, the people buying your cards are largely not buying them to play games with, so you’re not really building brand loyalty, and potentially you’re losing a lot of future customers who would upgrade or build a PC but instead will his say fuck it and get a PS4 pro or X1X instead.

It probably works better for AMD, because their cards are not all that competitive right now, so it gives them some breathing room to figure out how to make GPUs that don’t suck.

Lastly, they will have to roll over these sales numbers next year, and that will be hard as shit if the crypto market crashes in the next year, or really even if it just sort of flatlines. At some point the hashes will become harder, on average, and gpu mining will become unprofitable, unless you believe that there will
Be a steady stream of viable new currencies for the foreseeable future.

That just seems to defy logic, considering that nobody actually uses crypto currency to do anything other than to sell it each other on Coinbase’s internal ledger, because the transaction costs are too high.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2018, 05:59:51 AM: nVIDIA has long pushed Compute, i know some statistical modeling now uses compute rather than staying on CPUs like meteorology and stuff

it was their GPU's dominating stuff like Folding@Home for years, that's fallen off but they still do the most work by far per client

unless you're using something built for it most of the compute units will just sit idle on a gaming card

the obvious "solution" to me would be a card with roughly the same number of CUs, but take the VRAM off to some extent? maybe they can even use one of the lower model cores i don't know how much that would effect the mining compared to having the CUs?

gamers would never want the card, but anyone just doing compute might prefer it, especially if you could run a bunch of them together

actually, i think that's what Telsa sorta is but those cost like $4000+ (or $500,000 on eBay "IDEAL FOR MINING" lol)
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 16, 2018, 06:55:42 AM: Quote from: nudemacusers on January 15, 2018, 08:51:04 AM
lmao the piddly 1050ti I bought last spring is now twice the price wtf. 1080’s are a grand... guess I’ll skip an upgrade next month.

Lol can I sell my 1050ti with a profit now? :lol
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on January 16, 2018, 08:10:16 AM: If electricity in Denmark is as expensive as here in Germany, then probably not.

Oh, also AMD's Vega architecture is pretty beefy on the compute side. In ways that are not at all useful for gaming. Hm. :doge
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: headwalk on January 16, 2018, 08:38:35 AM: apparently it's all gone south since i made this thread.

remember to thank me when you can get a 1080ti for half the RRP off ebay.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2018, 09:02:55 AM: That might be semi-console related in terms of the servers. Especially Microsoft's cloud.

Amazon's cloud is shifting over to using Tesla's and that's the way they're differentiating the tiers they offer, everything has the same Xeon's, etc. It's just they add more Tesla's to it. I guess internally they've already made the switch.

They even seem to suggest that you should just emulate most CPU functions on the Tesla's and that working through the multiple Tesla's using NVLink creates an insane amount of bandwidth to where you only go back out to the Xeon at the end and start.

I have no idea what Azure uses hardware wise.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 16, 2018, 10:49:11 AM: I think part of the driver licensing agreement is that you can't use GeForce cards in data centers, only Tesla/Quadros. I don't know how much higher-spec and more reliable the Tesla/Quadro boards are, though.

Nothing's stopping you from writing your own drivers, however!
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: TEEEPO on January 16, 2018, 07:47:41 PM: hopefully i'll be able to buy a 1080ti on the cheap

i did skimp out on the engagement ring afterall
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Shuri on January 16, 2018, 08:02:14 PM: Dudes at work were talking about selling their gpus on ebay today :lol
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2018, 08:06:13 PM: I have an extra 980 that was a total mistake since hardly anything ever supported SLI. It's dusty and I've got no packaging. You think with this crypto phase I could still sell it for a decent penny?

Also I fear the day my other 980 bites the dust or can't run a modern PC game I wanna play well enough since getting a new card is obviously now and forever all kinds of fucked. Almost feel like I should just try to pre-order day 1 new Nvidia card every 2-3 years to get it at retail before it sells out and becomes 2-4x the price second hand.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 16, 2018, 11:35:22 PM: CONSOLE GAMING WINS AGAIN
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Trent Dole on January 19, 2018, 01:37:03 AM: https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/15/researchers-finds-that-one-person-likely-drove-bitcoin-from-150-to-1000/
BUTTCOINS
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: headwalk on January 23, 2018, 07:09:42 AM: crypto is more interesting than i gave it credit for. it's a great example of how a 100% free and unregulated market becomes a hopelessly manipulated and artificial one.

the main exchange and ad-hoc currency is run by the same shady camen island operation that explicitly says the fake money it gives you for coins is worth dick, which they can print it at will. whales jumt pump and dump whatever worthless shitcoin they think they can have an influence over at will, setting massive artificial buy/sell walls and front running the shit out of anything they can.

it's like an A-Z of illegal trading practices with the smartest neets acknowledging it and learning which whales to follow and when.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: toku on January 23, 2018, 06:47:20 PM: http://www.pcgamer.com/even-without-price-gouging-most-nvidia-graphics-cards-cost-more-now-than-in-2016/?utm_content=bufferdd754&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on January 23, 2018, 09:06:59 PM: I wonder if Volta is also semi-imminent to the point where Nvidia is not churning out as many cards.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on January 24, 2018, 05:21:53 AM: Quote from: kingv on January 23, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
I wonder if Volta is also semi-imminent to the point where Nvidia is not churning out as many cards.
Also
https://twitter.com/jwangARK/status/954429531678543872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

(The chart is stupid, yes. :doge )
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on January 24, 2018, 09:59:10 AM: The more that real industry seems to actually align around crypto, the more I worry about a crash.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: toku on January 24, 2018, 12:38:35 PM: Quote from: kingv on January 24, 2018, 09:59:10 AM
The more that real industry seems to actually align around crypto, the more I worry about a crash.

How i feel too. None of this seems sustainable.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/cryptocurrency-boom-creates-insane-global-graphics-card-shortage/
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: headwalk on March 27, 2018, 05:22:35 AM: I made this thread and GPU mining has been on a steady downtrend since. barely profitable at this point and whole farms are shutting down.

you're welcome.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on March 27, 2018, 08:10:26 AM: But a GTX 1070 is still $600

:goty2
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on March 27, 2018, 09:48:49 AM: Hopefully, we will be able to get used 1080 for less than $300 once this downward trend starts picking up.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: archie4208 on March 27, 2018, 10:13:59 AM: Quote from: kingv on March 27, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
But a GTX 1070 is still $600

:goty2
The 1100 series is being announced today which possibly means Nvidia has stopped production of the last gen cards. Lord knows how much a 1180 will cost.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on March 27, 2018, 10:40:27 AM: Possibly, but Rx580s are still
Like $400 when they should be like $250, so I don’t have a ton of hope that the 1100 series is going to be reasonably priced, or available at msrp.

Crypto has killed my interest in PX gaming. I was planning on upgrading to 1100 series, but I just upgraded my consoles instead.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on March 28, 2018, 01:52:51 PM: We’re never getting GTX 11 series. If you want to upgrade, you will pay $600 for a $330 GPU and like it!
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2018, 05:10:28 AM: Ok 1080s are "back down" to around $500, bless up
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: naff on July 23, 2018, 01:13:56 AM: im still on an R9 280x :'(
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on July 23, 2018, 05:33:01 AM: Still a very capable card. Around 1050ti level, better in compute heavy titles. Nowhere near as efficient though.

I wish mine hadn't died. ;_;
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on July 23, 2018, 10:22:53 AM: I’m still rocking my 970.

Frankly, it’s still pretty ok and I can still usually hit 1080p60 if I sacrifice graphics enough.

I’ll be interested in upgrading once I can get 4k60 for like under $400.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: toku on July 23, 2018, 11:24:56 AM: still on a 960 here...def. upgrading soon though haha
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on July 23, 2018, 12:56:26 PM: I didn’t upgrade to a 1070 because I thought the prices were too high at launch for what you got. Performance for dollar seemed to be about the same or only a little higher than a 970 because of the big price jump. Though, I don’t expect the prices to drop much in the next gen.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Coax on July 23, 2018, 01:43:55 PM: By the time there's some demanding game I'm interested in (eg Cyberpunk) I'll be considering new cards, though atm I'm okay-ish with 900 series.

Main downside to Maxwell is the lack of native 4K HEVC HDR decoding, so if a Blu-Ray is too demanding at times it's pretty much unwatchable. That said so many are upscales that for the most part it hasn't been too much of an issue.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2018, 01:44:38 PM: Quote from: naff on July 23, 2018, 01:13:56 AM
im still on an R9 280x :'(

Me too, my dude. Me too...

:fbm
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2018, 12:54:00 PM: My old R9 270 4GB died and got warranty replaced with a R9 390 8GB. :cody :mouf

I just need it to live forever. :brazilcry
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2018, 02:37:40 PM: GTX980 Ti going strong.

My friends made fun of me because it was so expensive.

Who's laughing now bois. :lol
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: headwalk on August 13, 2018, 08:34:48 PM: mining isn't profitable anymore even if you live in a cave in latvia.

we were on the right side of history.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2018, 01:13:00 PM: Quote from: Brehvolution on July 24, 2018, 12:54:00 PM
My old R9 270 4GB died and got warranty replaced with a R9 390 8GB. :cody :mouf

I just need it to live forever. :brazilcry

Jinxed myself and now I have to get an early xmas present. :'( pbuh

Got this coming tomorrow.
https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Backplate-Special-Graphic-11265-21-20G/dp/B073BKYBC5/ref=pd_sbs_147_4?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B073BKYBC5&pd_rd_r=aa2e00e6-e758-11e8-9de2-3d9a83148984&pd_rd_w=lZqSK&pd_rd_wg=mBBcR&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=7d5d9c3c-5e01-44ac-97fd-261afd40b865&pf_rd_r=W6PMTKBMD45CG45ZVT1P&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=W6PMTKBMD45CG45ZVT1P
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2018, 01:57:01 PM: wow someone who still buys AMD graphics cards. I've found a unicorn.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2018, 02:58:12 PM: How many bitcoins per second can that farm?
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 13, 2018, 06:17:30 PM: Quote from: Nintex on November 13, 2018, 01:57:01 PM
wow someone who still buys AMD graphics cards. I've found a unicorn.

They’re for those of us that can’t afford Nvidia.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2018, 06:28:48 PM: Quote from: kingv on November 13, 2018, 06:17:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 13, 2018, 01:57:01 PM
wow someone who still buys AMD graphics cards. I've found a unicorn.

They’re for those of us that can’t afford Nvidia.
Well a GTX 1060 would cost the same as an RX580
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-06G-P4-6163-KR/dp/B01IPVSLTC/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=J4VW2R5M5JA5222Y498F&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-06G-P4-6163-KR/dp/B01IPVSLTC/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=J4VW2R5M5JA5222Y498F&th=1)
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 13, 2018, 08:57:50 PM: Maybe he wants Adaptive Sync?

I’ll probably go red with my next video card. I have a 970 now though, and it seems like we have at least another gen before it makes sense to upgrade it at current prices.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: thisismyusername on November 13, 2018, 09:18:02 PM: The only reason to go #TeamRed over #TeamGreen is if you're hopping on the Linux train. :doge
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on November 14, 2018, 09:32:49 AM: Cheap adaptive sync. With Nvidia, you pay a hefty premium for a G-Sync monitor, which soft-locks you into buying more Nvidia cards in the future.

Otherwise... Yeah. Nvidia has the lead in both grunt and efficiency right now.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 10:01:39 AM: It's the best value for my money.

The 1060 doesn't come in an 8GB version.

Are you trying to video card shame me? :hmph
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 10:15:28 AM: Quote from: kingv on November 13, 2018, 06:17:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 13, 2018, 01:57:01 PM
wow someone who still buys AMD graphics cards. I've found a unicorn.

They’re for those of us that can’t afford Nvidia.

Honestly, it was this review that sold me.
(https://i.imgur.com/wsAeUch.png)

You can't do better than 5 stars.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM: It's here. :heart
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: thisismyusername on November 14, 2018, 11:17:27 AM: Quote from: Rufus on November 14, 2018, 09:32:49 AM
Cheap adaptive sync.

People actually use that? :doge Even though AMD's is "open standard" I don't think any monitor comes with either of them for cheap years later to where most folks don't give a damn.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 14, 2018, 12:19:14 PM: You can get a 28” 4K free sync monitor for like $300.

I think it’s the same technology as VESA adaptive-sync, part of the DisplayPort standards.

I would use it if either 1) Gwynn was affordable or 2) amd had good cards.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2018, 01:30:24 PM: Quote from: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
It's here. :heart
Have you installed the drivers yet
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on November 14, 2018, 01:43:01 PM: AMD drivers have been fine for years. :comeon

OpenGL support still sucks, but that's only an issue for emulators and old Id games.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 01:59:22 PM: Quote from: Nintex on November 14, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
It's here. :heart
Have you installed the drivers yet

I always stay up to date with VC drivers. I'm sure the latest drivers are already installed. Don't know yet if I'll install the manufacturer software or not.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2018, 02:38:07 PM: Quote from: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 14, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
It's here. :heart
Have you installed the drivers yet

I always stay up to date with VC drivers. I'm sure the latest drivers are already installed. Don't know yet if I'll install the manufacturer software or not.
In my experience it's best to do a clean install of Windows when you switch out graphics cards.
It always turns into a mess when you keep the software and only swap out the graphics card.

Manufacturer software depends on what sort of tools are included. Sometimes there's important stuff like something you need for audio drivers.
Stay far away from other 'tools'.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 02:48:46 PM: Hard pass on re-doing windows. I'm going from one AMD card to another. Their drivers aren't segmented by series like they were many years ago. Just like nvidia. I'd bet the driver on the disc is old than the one installed. Not like I have a CD-ROM installed anyway. :yuck
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: headwalk on November 14, 2018, 08:17:16 PM: even light RTX features apparently tanks BFV performance down 50% on a 2080ti. stunningly shit on value the new geforce cards.

hate that i have to use cuda for work, nvidia are such dorks. feel like an appletard.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: naff on November 14, 2018, 08:29:25 PM: Quote from: Nintex on November 14, 2018, 02:38:07 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 14, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
It's here. :heart
Have you installed the drivers yet

I always stay up to date with VC drivers. I'm sure the latest drivers are already installed. Don't know yet if I'll install the manufacturer software or not.
In my experience it's best to do a clean install of Windows when you switch out graphics cards.

:huh

no
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 14, 2018, 11:02:48 PM: Quote from: headwalk on November 14, 2018, 08:17:16 PM
even light RTX features apparently tanks BFV performance down 50% on a 2080ti. stunningly shit on value the new geforce cards.

hate that i have to use cuda for work, nvidia are such dorks. feel like an appletard.

The 2000 series seems kind of shaky in general. Almost like it’s hust rebranded 1000 series. Of course AMD rebranded the 400 series into the 500 series, so fair is fair.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 15, 2018, 04:37:08 AM: looks like bitcoin has taken a nosedive the last couple days. RIP Assi
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2018, 08:52:34 AM: Quote from: kingv on November 14, 2018, 11:02:48 PM
Quote from: headwalk on November 14, 2018, 08:17:16 PM
even light RTX features apparently tanks BFV performance down 50% on a 2080ti. stunningly shit on value the new geforce cards.

hate that i have to use cuda for work, nvidia are such dorks. feel like an appletard.

The 2000 series seems kind of shaky in general. Almost like it’s hust rebranded 1000 series. Of course AMD rebranded the 400 series into the 500 series, so fair is fair.

I noticed that with AMD when I was doing comparisons. Almost half the 580 variants were using 480 chips.

Witcher 3 on Ultra with Hairworks™ :lawd
Even Geralts soul patch flicks with the wind. :aah

I'm gonna bite the bullet and double dip on BLOPS 4 now that I have this thing. COuld really use RDR2 on PC. :noah
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 15, 2018, 10:21:18 AM: Do you get pretty good performance with hairworks on the 580?

I remember it being pretty shaky at launch on a 970.

It was mostly higher than 30 but not stable. That’s where I feel like adaptive sync would really help. I always tend to just turn off anything that puts me below 60fps so I don’t have to deal with screen tearing or hitching, but with adaptive sync it’s probably bearable.

Hopefully they build support for it into the next generation of consoles.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Huff on November 15, 2018, 10:42:14 AM: whats the most cost effective graphics card at this point?

I've got some extra money laying around and debating about a card and doing a new build.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2018, 11:15:44 AM: Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
Do you get pretty good performance with hairworks on the 580?

I remember it being pretty shaky at launch on a 970.

It was mostly higher than 30 but not stable. That’s where I feel like adaptive sync would really help. I always tend to just turn off anything that puts me below 60fps so I don’t have to deal with screen tearing or hitching, but with adaptive sync it’s probably bearable.

Hopefully they build support for it into the next generation of consoles.

So far so good, but I just started a fresh game. We will see what happens when I get to the cities. I'm more impressed by the shadows right now. I had them turned off on my old cards.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 11:26:20 AM: Quote from: Huff on November 15, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
whats the most cost effective graphics card at this point?

I've got some extra money laying around and debating about a card and doing a new build.
Depends on your budget and region.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on November 15, 2018, 11:28:01 AM: Quote from: Huff on November 15, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
whats the most cost effective graphics card at this point?

I've got some extra money laying around and debating about a card and doing a new build.
First table
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12050/best-video-cards
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Huff on November 15, 2018, 12:05:12 PM: Quote from: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
Quote from: Huff on November 15, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
whats the most cost effective graphics card at this point?

I've got some extra money laying around and debating about a card and doing a new build.
Depends on your budget and region.

Wow so useful thanks
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 01:02:26 PM: What I mean is, if you're in the US there's a newly launched Radeon RX590 for $279 which comes with free copies of Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 5 and another game.
But the same card will cost you $349 - $399 in Europe bare bones.

The 1070 listed in Rufus' chart for $479 will cost you $550 in Europe.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2018, 01:47:07 PM: Quote
"$500 is the new $300"

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Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on November 15, 2018, 02:05:18 PM: :trumps

I've got 300€ earmarked for a new card, but I'm not entirely happy with any of the current offerings in that range . Mostly because of how old the chips are. I'll be riding it out until the 2060 or Navi.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 02:16:00 PM: Quote from: Rufus on November 15, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
:trumps

I've got 300€ earmarked for a new card, but I'm not entirely happy with any of the current offerings in that range . Mostly because of how old the chips are. I'll be riding it out until the 2060 or Navi.
2060 would be your best best at 300 but my feeling is it'll be at least 350/379 once it drops.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on November 15, 2018, 02:22:10 PM: Likely. Maybe I'll be desperate enough to pay that much. Maybe. Until then, I've got plenty of old games to play. :hmph
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2018, 09:55:08 AM: Like, honestly tho... if you're not playing at 4k AMD cards are fine. They're just ass for the high end. For budget and mid-range their sheer horsepower is fine; as far as driver support goes I just upgraded two months ago from an ancient Radeon 290x to a Nvidia 1080ti and never had issues with driver support on games. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 16, 2018, 10:58:46 AM: Quote from: Rufus on November 15, 2018, 02:05:18 PM
:trumps

I've got 300€ earmarked for a new card, but I'm not entirely happy with any of the current offerings in that range . Mostly because of how old the chips are. I'll be riding it out until the 2060 or Navi.

I was the same about a year ago even. I decided to trade up to pro and an X instead.

The GPU industry is in a really sorry state for what I would call “enthusiast mainstream”, I.e. people that want a fast’ish card at a decent value.

Like you 300 today basically gets you 10-20% higher performance with more VRAM from a $300 card from like 4-5 years ago. It’s Moore’s cumstain.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2018, 01:13:15 PM: Yep, your best bet right now is an Xbox One X.
I keep getting surprised by how great a kit of hardware it is. Even with that terrible notebook CPU on board.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 16, 2018, 02:26:53 PM: I can feel the netbook cpu sometimes. Where it’s the most noticeable to me is Roblox (my kid loves it).

It runs a lot faster on My PC, even though it’s a 970 with a 4 year old i5 and has less RAM.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Rufus on November 18, 2018, 09:42:46 AM: Amazon is selling an RX 580 for 200€. Tempting. Sorely tempting. It's a Powercolour (the heatsink seems shit?) and it's a US import, so warranty might be fucky.

Hm. Hmhmhm.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Akala on November 21, 2018, 10:01:57 AM: I missed out on the 1080ti deals earlier in the year and wasn't really ready to upgrade quite yet. Just picked up RX2080 at high end of budget and only feel somewhat ripped off.

I was honestly planning on riding my 970 a bit longer as seems fine, should have splurged on CPU/MOBO as mine is kind of ancient and guessing it would bottleneck (6 yrs, 3770k).

I usually go overboard so comps last longer, kind of unsure what way to go. Ryzen 2700x seems like it's probably fine for a while, and way cheaper than 9900k...or could save a bit and go 8700k which is same socket for now as the i9, could theoretically upgrade down the road but no guarantees and I am pretty lazy.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2018, 02:03:20 PM: Quote from: Akala on November 21, 2018, 10:01:57 AM
I missed out on the 1080ti deals earlier in the year and wasn't really ready to upgrade quite yet. Just picked up RX2080 at high end of budget and only feel somewhat ripped off.

I was honestly planning on riding my 970 a bit longer as seems fine, should have splurged on CPU/MOBO as mine is kind of ancient and guessing it would bottleneck (6 yrs, 3770k).

I usually go overboard so comps last longer, kind of unsure what way to go. Ryzen 2700x seems like it's probably fine for a while, and way cheaper than 9900k...or could save a bit and go 8700k which is same socket for now as the i9, could theoretically upgrade down the road but no guarantees and I am pretty lazy.
Ryzen is a terrible CPU. My bro is working on an UE4 game and most of their time debugging is spend on users complaining about framerates on Ryzen.
Just Google Ryzen + Fortnite and even then you'll find threads detailing the fucked up framerate which is all over the place and Fortnite isn't even a demanding game.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Akala on November 21, 2018, 04:00:11 PM: over course of day I have narrowed it down to i7 9700k or i9 9900k. It seems like not many people air cool any more, and no one is recommending it for the i9 as while its a beast it's an unoptimized POS that runs hot. liquid cooling has gotten a lot easier than the old days but it wasn't really in budget. It would make it look way better though...hmm.

Also everything is LED and glowy these days, I am digging it. :doge
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on November 21, 2018, 04:27:38 PM: Liquid cooling just seems like one more fucking thing to worry about. All I need is my cooler springing a leak and ruining my pc.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2018, 04:54:49 PM: Get a reputable (read: cooler master or NZXT) AIO cooler if you want to water cool. I have an 8700k and air cool it and it's just fine, for the record (I haven't overclocked it, tho)
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Akala on November 21, 2018, 05:28:08 PM: Quote from: kingv on November 21, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
Liquid cooling just seems like one more fucking thing to worry about. All I need is my cooler springing a leak and ruining my pc.

That's what I am worried about, although seems things have come a long way since the old days (aside from the crazies that do custom units). :lol

Still, worried about like the tubing corroding through or pump going out or some other noise.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2018, 04:54:49 PM
Get a reputable (read: cooler master or NZXT) AIO cooler if you want to water cool. I have an 8700k and air cool it and it's just fine, for the record (I haven't overclocked it, tho)

I was looking at a corsair but thanks for the other suggestions, will check em.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2018, 06:21:28 PM: Do share pictures of that beast when it is completed :whew
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2018, 07:36:47 PM: Quote from: Akala on November 21, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: kingv on November 21, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
Liquid cooling just seems like one more fucking thing to worry about. All I need is my cooler springing a leak and ruining my pc.

That's what I am worried about, although seems things have come a long way since the old days (aside from the crazies that do custom units). :lol

Still, worried about like the tubing corroding through or pump going out or some other noise.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2018, 04:54:49 PM
Get a reputable (read: cooler master or NZXT) AIO cooler if you want to water cool. I have an 8700k and air cool it and it's just fine, for the record (I haven't overclocked it, tho)

I was looking at a corsair but thanks for the other suggestions, will check em.

Corsair is actually fine too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8y0JBsZ5t0&t=
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2018, 07:44:12 PM: Quote from: Nintex on November 21, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
Do share pictures of that beast when it is completed :whew

Not that you were asking me, but I don't think I ever posted pics of mine, which *WAS* mostly top of the line 2 1/2 months ago :P

(https://i.imgur.com/J6ZUeSt.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Akala on November 21, 2018, 11:25:26 PM: chooo. that's actually a good looking heatsink. :playa

I ended up with a Coolermaster MasterLiquid ML360R...I am hoping all this RGB shit plays nice together or it's gonna look like a unicorn exploded. :supergay

Tomorrow will dictate if I go for 4 sticks of glowy RAM, kind of want but I am over budget.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2018, 01:41:45 PM: Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2018, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 21, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
Do share pictures of that beast when it is completed :whew

Not that you were asking me, but I don't think I ever posted pics of mine, which *WAS* mostly top of the line 2 1/2 months ago :P

(https://i.imgur.com/J6ZUeSt.jpg?1)
:whew :whoo
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: naff on November 22, 2018, 08:25:21 PM: RX Vega 64s starting to tank in the secondary market here now too :rejoice

Some nearing 1070 prices. One sold for ~450usd the other day, another for 500. 2nd hand 1070s go for ~350.
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Akala on December 02, 2018, 01:17:23 PM: Quote from: Nintex on November 21, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
Do share pictures of that beast when it is completed :whew

Round 1 done, looks pretty good and seems to work. Few mishaps with build (case dims said 360 radiator would fit. that was a LIE) but overall not too bad. Cable management sucks, talking to a friend apparently super recommended to get the custom power cables...will probably get some as need to transfer over storage HDD eventually and I have no room for it. :lol

Aside from cabling, pretty much done, although will be running 1080p for a few as went slightly over budget. :checkit

(https://i.imgur.com/VfDEYwP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4qZ0BRh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BKbSk3p.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2018, 01:27:31 PM: Very nice :)
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: naff on December 02, 2018, 09:37:44 PM: disabling/removing all non power or error indication LEDs on all your electronics :rejoice
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: Trent Dole on December 16, 2018, 03:08:19 AM: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1074194375318605829
Title: Re: Cryptards get out
Post by: kingv on February 04, 2019, 12:47:41 PM: https://www.bing.com/amp/s/www.pcworld.com/article/3337237/components-graphics/amd-and-nvidia-earnings-q4-2018-lower-gpu-prices.amp.html

Nvidia and AMD complaining about soft demand for GPUs. Price cuts coming.... babeeeee