Elaine Shirley talked about the party-like atmosphere at Atari in the 1970s. “Those were the times. Nolan Bushnell hit on women and they hit on him. If the MeToo movement was active when Atari was alive I think half our company would be charged."
Carol Kantor also talked to me about the hot tub. “[Bushnell] invited anyone to the hot tub who wanted to. It wasn’t a sexual thing. That’s the way it was in the 70s. Wasn’t Marin County known for hot tubs? It was a hot tub town. They were the in-thing at that particular time.”
There were drugs, there were hot tubs, there were relationships, and none of that would fly today. But none of it indicates a culture that was hostile to women.
Not giving the GDC award to Nolan Bushnell due to 70's socal hippy culture is the most ridiculous ess jay double-u stuff yet I've seen in gaming.
Talking specifically about Brianna Wu, Loni Reeder said, “based on her political aspirations, personal assumptions, and libelous accusations against a man where no complaints have been raised or filed — she made a big, unfounded noise against Nolan — and the Pioneer Award honor was withdrawn.”
I exchanged emails with Loni Reeder for more information. She relayed the story of how she was hired at Atari. By the time she applied to their newspaper ad, she had heard that Atari was “the place to be.” She was determined to get the job, and interviewed with Nolan’s personal assistant, who Reeder describes as “the first empowered woman I’d ever met in an office environment.”
After the job interview, she was persistent and made numerous follow up calls to inquire about her status. When Bushnell’s assistant informed him of these calls, Bushnell said, according to Reeder, “give her the job, because she wants it the most. People who express that much interest and enthusiasm are always an asset to a company.” He also increased her pay.
She offered this story as an example of the work philosophy of Nolan Bushnell, from the perspective of a woman who worked with the man for years, and she would later co-found a startup with him.
Elaine Shirley talked about the party-like atmosphere at Atari in the 1970s. “Those were the times. Nolan Bushnell hit on women and they hit on him. If the MeToo movement was active when Atari was alive I think half our company would be charged. To my knowledge, no one ever did anything they did not want to do.”
“In truth,” she continued, “ I think there were at least the same or more aggressive women at the company.”
She followed this up with a tweet saying, “If I am elected to Congress, I fully intend to launch hearings on hiring bias against women and PoC in the tech industry. It’s time to hit this culture of silence and abuse head on.”
Carol Kantor also talked to me about the hot tub. “[Bushnell] invited anyone to the hot tub who wanted to. It wasn’t a sexual thing. That’s the way it was in the 70s. Wasn’t Marin County known for hot tubs? It was a hot tub town. They were the in-thing at that particular time.”
Curt Vendel added, “Atari was synonymous with hot tubs. The 1272 Engineering building had a co-ed hot tub with a big tiled [Atari] Fuji logo on the wall. No one was forced. Yes, women were asked to come up to the hot tub and when they went in, they went in of their own choosing. This wasn’t a ‘do it or get fired’ type situation, nor was there ever anything like the horrible blackmailing and casting couch environment of Harvey Weinstein.”
Al Alcorn, the man who was in the hot tub, whose account was twisted by Brianna Wu to imply sexual harassment, denies her statement. Other employees say nothing improper went on with regards to hot tubs at Atari. So let’s move on to Brianna Wu’s next criticism.
QuoteCarol Kantor also talked to me about the hot tub. “[Bushnell] invited anyone to the hot tub who wanted to. It wasn’t a sexual thing. That’s the way it was in the 70s. Wasn’t Marin County known for hot tubs? It was a hot tub town. They were the in-thing at that particular time.”
Curt Vendel added, “Atari was synonymous with hot tubs. The 1272 Engineering building had a co-ed hot tub with a big tiled [Atari] Fuji logo on the wall. No one was forced. Yes, women were asked to come up to the hot tub and when they went in, they went in of their own choosing. This wasn’t a ‘do it or get fired’ type situation, nor was there ever anything like the horrible blackmailing and casting couch environment of Harvey Weinstein.”
Al Alcorn, the man who was in the hot tub, whose account was twisted by Brianna Wu to imply sexual harassment, denies her statement. Other employees say nothing improper went on with regards to hot tubs at Atari. So let’s move on to Brianna Wu’s next criticism.
So how is this even a thing?
:mindblown
So how is this even a thing?
:mindblown
Who cares?
take this gamergater shit back to the dumpster
this is gamer gate trash
OP is so fucking dumb lmao
Defense force? :lol :rofl
Get fucked pissbaby.
Who cares?
Andrex, yours and the others' first few posts in this thread were straight up embarrassing. If you are not interested in the thread you can just not respond. But it seems a few of you have a knee jerk reaction to stifle discussion with the GG scarecrow.
Not giving the GDC award to Nolan Bushnell due to 70's socal hippy culture is the most ridiculous ess jay double-u stuff yet I've seen in gaming.
Nolan Bushnell probably did coke off a rack of tits back then, poor guyBut all the 70s full bush tho :-X
Who even brought up Gamergate? The tards reeeing about it that didn't even read the article.
Any time there is blowback against some reeeing dumbass going on a ridiculous smear campaign, said blowback gets written off with "gamergate," and now you are guilty of it too, Wrath.
And the "I don't even like Wu but let's not talk about anything unpleasant" thing is played out. No one is forcing anyone to participate in these threads, but every topical thread has a right to exist.
It was always going to be a topic as long as Brianna Wu is involved, same happened in the RE thread.
I didn't say not to talk about anything unpleasant. I'm saying you can certainly attack Wu for being an idiot with her head shoved far up her ass but not for being trans. There's a difference there.
I don't find it the most offensive thing either but it is pretty shitty. And I didn't talk about number of posts, you called something the most embarrassing post and I thought different. My point being that I actually agree that jumping on "GAMERGAAAATE" is stupid but it absolutely was going to happen here and a lot of the "other side" would be similar. I never asked to censor the topic, was just saying that the thread was always going to turn out that way, my comment on "being relegated to the RE thread" was a musing more than anything else.
Not sure why you expected higher discussion on this topic here, my point simply is it was never going to happen.
Nah, I don't even like Wu but the most embarrassing post in this thread is Kurt Russell attacking Wu because she's trans.
I agree that the transphobic shit was a low blow, but what do you expect from a guy that postz Rebel Media links?
Well I felt that way before he posted. I find dogpiles and circlejerks repulsive, so we may just have slightly different values in what we see as the most embarrassing.
I found it weird how the initial reaction was in this thread, when I did bring up this topic in the RE thread, with very different results. Then again, no many of them except for Andy cross-post in that thread, for better or worse. :doge
I honestly don't think we disagree much, I agree that the transphobic shit was a low blow, but what do you expect from a guy that postz Rebel Media links? So yeah, I alologize for lashing out at you bb :-*
Nah, I don't even like Wu but the most embarrassing post in this thread is Kurt Russell attacking Wu because she's trans.
:heh No, that's not what happened. If it can even be classed as an "attack", then I was critical of her latest batshit insane attention grab. Her being trans has absolutely nothing to do with it.I agree that the transphobic shit was a low blow, but what do you expect from a guy that postz Rebel Media links?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic
I had no idea she was trans, don't pay attention to that biaaaaaaaaatch. still :nothot
The Bore is a hot tub forum. That's our thing. It's not sexual.(http://media1.giphy.com/media/xUOwFTErNZSrUAMBgc/giphy.gif)
Nolan Bushnell probably did coke off a rack of tits back then, poor guyBut all the 70s full bush tho :drool
what are they gonna tell us next, that Miyamoto is a furry?
If I know or don't know is whatever. If she's hot and trashy I want her.I had no idea she was trans, don't pay attention to that biaaaaaaaaatch. still :nothot
Would you have sex with a transgender person if you didnt know?
Kotaku decided to investigate: https://kotaku.com/sex-pong-and-pioneers-what-atari-was-really-like-ac-1822930057
If it isn’t the women of Atari who paint a bad picture of Nolan Bushnell, it’s the culture he created there that, decades later, has mushroomed into something else.
In the books chronicling video game history, Atari is painted like something of a frat house, a post-Summer of Love den of pot and sex. These stories weren’t secret whispers—they were tales told proudly by Bushnell and other Atari higher-ups to the historians looking for the inside tales of the game business. Strung together, they conjure a vision of a Mad Men-esque work environment, riddled with toxic power dynamics between men and women.
I don't find it the most offensive thing either but it is pretty shitty. And I didn't talk about number of posts, you called something the most embarrassing post and I thought different. My point being that I actually agree that jumping on "GAMERGAAAATE" is stupid but it absolutely was going to happen here and a lot of the "other side" would be similar. I never asked to censor the topic, was just saying that the thread was always going to turn out that way, my comment on "being relegated to the RE thread" was a musing more than anything else.
Not sure why you expected higher discussion on this topic here, my point simply is it was never going to happen.
Well I felt that way before he posted. I find dogpiles and circlejerks repulsive, so we may just have slightly different values in what we see as the most embarrassing.
I found it weird how the initial reaction was in this thread, when I did bring up this topic in the RE thread, with very different results. Then again, no many of them except for Andy cross-post in that thread, for better or worse. :doge
I honestly don't think we disagree much, I agree that the transphobic shit was a low blow, but what do you expect from a guy that postz Rebel Media links? So yeah, I alologize for lashing out at you bb :-*
kotaku confirms kotaku as ideological trashQuoteIn the books chronicling video game history, Atari is painted like something of a frat house, a post-Summer of Love den of pot and sex. These stories weren’t secret whispers—they were tales told proudly by Bushnell and other Atari higher-ups to the historians looking for the inside tales of the game business. Strung together, they conjure a vision of a Mad Men-esque work environment, riddled with toxic power dynamics between men and women.
This is after a litany of former employee testimony detailing how they got job opportunities and were quickly promoted when they showed competence. Basically, progressive viewpoint is morally shocked by hippie liberation.
Loni Reed went in on the kotaku writer afterwards.
(http://i.imgur.com/HnPav4H.jpg)
Defense force? :lol :rofl
Get fucked pissbaby.
look at all these triggered motherfuckers
(https://i.imgur.com/HnPav4H.jpg)
It's almost as if they lived in a different time and judging the past through a context-less lense of post-millenial sensibilities is dumb as fuck
The Bore is a hot tub forum. That's our thing. It's not sexual.You don't understand. I don't have to prove anything to you and neither do they. It is your job to practice empathy to an experience that might differ from your own.
Someone please remind me what Brianna Wu is known for, videogame wise, again?
Like, you all can make fun of that statement, but it will still be true. This is why the militarization of space is so dangerous.
— Brianna Wu (@Spacekatgal) February 28, 2017
In early 2017, the Federal Bureau of Investigation closed its investigation of the matter. The FBI identified four men who sent threats and obtained confessions from two of them, one of whom stated that they had sent the threat as a "joke" but "understood that it was a federal crime to send a threatening communication to anyone and will never do it again." The U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts declined to prosecute, giving no specific reason. Reacting to the report, Wu stated the FBI did not care about the investigation and that she was "livid".
Someone please remind me what Brianna Wu is known for, videogame wise, again?
All I know is someone tangentially tied to gaming is a nutjob who thinks people can hurl meteors from space to destroy us, FF7 style, and is running for US senate.
She kickstartered and made an iOS RPG of sorts that I don't think you can even buy or play anymore.
Oh wait, it is on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/350200/Revolution_60/
As far as I know she has yet to release a single game in the intervening years and all of her employees jumped ship.
$829 of $2500 per month
Hire someone to work at GSX to help deal with harassment, and assist GSX in shipping Revolution 60 PC, Cupcake Crisis and further the work of women in tech.
Of course I follow Brianna Wu on Twitter. She’s witty, intelligent and posts musings on technology and gaming (v. relevant to my interests). Plus she stood up to Gamergate, which makes her a badass.:whatisthis
QuoteOf course I follow Brianna Wu on Twitter. She’s witty, intelligent and posts musings on technology and gaming (v. relevant to my interests). Plus she stood up to Gamergate, which makes her a badass.
i cant stand brianna wu, and i dont give a shit about nolan bushnell, but i'd sure appreciate it if you crybaby rightwing dipshits fuck off back to the dumbass containment thread:umad
i cant stand brianna wu, and i dont give a shit about nolan bushnell, but i'd sure appreciate it if you crybaby rightwing dipshits fuck off back to the dumbass containment thread
She essentially harvests harassment and converts it into Patreon income. Saying batshit stuff to goad trolls is her whole modus operandi. That's why she'll latch on to anything remotely divisive and try to place herself firmly in the middle of it. In fact, there was a point where she engineered her own harrassment:
So she encourages the harassment and then asks for donations to fund her attempts to "deal" with the harassment. It's a neat business model.
Tell u wut though, this can be moved out of the gaming forum.If you kept this on gaming side I would have never seen it, you fuck :goldberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_60
i still feel like that moon rocks thing should be ultimately the only thing on her wikipedia page or at least the most prominent thing, the page already has her and her motorcycle as the picture, though ideally it'd be a shot of her riding away like in her political ad
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5wgYimVAAAg-4b.jpg)QuoteLike, you all can make fun of that statement, but it will still be true. This is why the militarization of space is so dangerous.
— Brianna Wu (@Spacekatgal) February 28, 2017
especially because she deleted the original moon rocks tweets but still kept posting a multi-part defense of it as some kind of argument that it's actually a statement/example of the importance of NASA funding being increased and outlawing private companies in space
Applying current social sensibilities to people in a different time, even if it's just a few years is in essence "babby's first social commentary" All of the self important gratification and social adulation, none of the risk.
It's almost as if they lived in a different time and judging the past through a context-less lense of post-millenial sensibilities is dumb as fuck
Applying current social sensibilities to people in a different time, even if it's just a few years is in essence "babby's first social commentary" All of the self important gratification and social adulation, none of the risk.It's almost as if they lived in a different time and judging the past through a context-less lense of post-millenial sensibilities is dumb as fuck
Arguments like these have some credence when the subjects have been very dead for a very long time and the institutions through which they perpetrated their behavior no longer have a meaningful effect on the many. Nolan Bushnell is still very much alive, and the power imbalance between workers and owners in the U.S. still has a very meaningful effect on everyone.
To draw an analogy, when you look back at photos from school integration where white people are shouting and harassing people of color for having the temerity to go to school with white people you do realize that many of those fine specimens of human decency are still alive and well today and they can even vote and stuff too, right? Thats [sic] wild (http://bit.ly/2F9T7q7), I wonder why the U.S. is still very much a racist, white minority rule country.
Applying current social sensibilities to people in a different time, even if it's just a few years is in essence "babby's first social commentary" All of the self important gratification and social adulation, none of the risk.It's almost as if they lived in a different time and judging the past through a context-less lense of post-millenial sensibilities is dumb as fuck
Arguments like these have some credence when the subjects have been very dead for a very long time and the institutions through which they perpetrated their behavior no longer have a meaningful effect on the many. Nolan Bushnell is still very much alive, and the power imbalance between workers and owners in the U.S. still has a very meaningful effect on everyone.
To draw an analogy, when you look back at photos from school integration where white people are shouting and harassing people of color for having the temerity to go to school with white people you do realize that many of those fine specimens of human decency are still alive and well today and they can even vote and stuff too, right? Thats [sic] wild (http://bit.ly/2F9T7q7), I wonder why the U.S. is still very much a racist, white minority rule country.
So it looks like Wu has moved on to better things.:gddr5 "pull out" :gddr5
https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/965633939279876096
Look at this shitlord mansplaining esports with a twitter manthread.
Basically. I’d take a lot more stock if a Twitter thread by a female esports player was posted
I take some time off and come back to this trash?
I take some time off and come back to this trash?You don't understand. I don't have to prove anything to you and neither do they. It is your job to practice empathy to an experience that might differ from your own.
shut up wesleyLiterallly LOL'd me in a quiet Tokyo suburb after midnight, so fuck you. :doge