Jay-Z knows how to business. He said it himself. He made the Yankees cap more relevant than the Yankees had.
Jay-Z knows how to business. He said it himself. He made the Yankees cap more relevant than the Yankees had.
Yes, good ol Jay! Saving the Yankees from irrelevance in the late 90s and early 2000s! Nobody thought he could do it!
Jay-Z knows how to business. He said it himself. He made the Yankees cap more relevant than the Yankees had.
Yes, good ol Jay! Saving the Yankees from irrelevance in the late 90s and early 2000s! Nobody thought he could do it!
Lol. Ok ok. Yes the Yanks were doing just fine in baseball. But who the hell outside of North America and a couple other baseball countries was buying Yankees merch because they were Yankees fans? This ain't no Michael Jordan Bulls mania that people clung onto one star. Nobody was goign all Derek Jeter crazy in central Europe and yet Yankees hats were worn by everyone and their deceased grandparents.
Madonna also sucks.
Cyndi Lauper for life.
Madonna was, and she’s very European.
Jay can’t claim credit on this. At best he was a contributing factor.
Well, the Madonna bit was a joke about her moving to England and suddenly adopting an accent (and she dated AROD later, but I think that was after the hot streak).Madonna dated everyone at some point. Probably even you. You just didn't realize it. But you know who she did date for sure. Bison Dele. I think you'd be amused by his wikipedia.
Well, the Madonna bit was a joke about her moving to England and suddenly adopting an accent (and she dated AROD later, but I think that was after the hot streak).Madonna dated everyone at some point. Probably even you. You just didn't realize it. But you know who she did date for sure. Bison Dele. I think you'd be amused by his wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele
Well, the Madonna bit was a joke about her moving to England and suddenly adopting an accent (and she dated AROD later, but I think that was after the hot streak).Madonna dated everyone at some point. Probably even you. You just didn't realize it. But you know who she did date for sure. Bison Dele. I think you'd be amused by his wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele
Did we listen to the same podcast this week?
Well, the Madonna bit was a joke about her moving to England and suddenly adopting an accent (and she dated AROD later, but I think that was after the hot streak).Madonna dated everyone at some point. Probably even you. You just didn't realize it. But you know who she did date for sure. Bison Dele. I think you'd be amused by his wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele
Did we listen to the same podcast this week?
No. But I'd love to know what podcast it was.
Well, the Madonna bit was a joke about her moving to England and suddenly adopting an accent (and she dated AROD later, but I think that was after the hot streak).Madonna dated everyone at some point. Probably even you. You just didn't realize it. But you know who she did date for sure. Bison Dele. I think you'd be amused by his wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele
Did we listen to the same podcast this week?
No. But I'd love to know what podcast it was.
Ooh, a coincidence—savor this moment! They really only happen a few times in a lifetime.
Just came out 7 days ago! I figured since you mentioned it you must have heard it recently from the same source.
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-generation-why-podcast/e/65188105?autoplay=true
Madonna also sucks.
Hard knock life is a bad song. Only good thing is thebestbeat and Annie sample.
Hard knock life is a bad song. Only good thing is thebestbeat and Annie sample.
you mean, like, the reason it's popular.
i think it's also a good example of jay z's simple pop use of his voice. iconic track for the beat and sample anyway.
I knew this had happened before:
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39855.0
:rofl
Nas stans....
Hard knock life is a bad song. Only good thing is thebestbeat and Annie sample.
you mean, like, the reason it's popular.
i think it's also a good example of jay z's simple pop use of his voice. iconic track for the beat and sample anyway.
i like his verse in Upgrade U, especially when he chants MAFIOSO.
but really, i think the things you don't like about his voice are generally what is considered appealing. his flow is casual, effortless, and his voice control is great at blending into the beat, which imo is pretty great at delivering really fun, smart lyrics. his body of work is long spanning, consistently good with a bunch of culture defining albums. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not to mention nuts marketing. even growing up in new zealand with no internet we knew all his classics.
comparing him to peak nas, latifah, yeah not a lot of people are going to argue with you there. not as emotive as pac? no shit. who is? wildly different styles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7-B1ru5U-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuELGO_-lEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BCsxQg3NE4
saying jay has a shit voice is a very hot take.
Name something you like from the past 10 years.
Name something you like from the past 10 years.
Oh absolutely. I rarely listen to hip hop much anymore though. I listen to Funk, metal, rock, blues, jazz, r&b, and classical far more. More me hip hop is a low tier for the genres of music that I like. I like basically every genre. I don't love every genre though. For me hip hop it like sweets. I can't take too much and no longer seek it out as I get older. But I still like it and partake now and then.
I asked a question.
This time I'm not trolling. I'm genuine in my attempt to understand and you instsntly get defensive.
Nah, this is your thing. You just want to rant about something you don't like. I get it.
Also sucks for Esch to turn this into a Nas Stan thing when I love NYC hip hop in general. I don't get the things I look for in hip hop through Jay, which is mostly storytelling and emotional delivery. Take me to another place. Make a movie appear in my head. Take me for a trip. Jay doesn't do that unlike many NY rappers. For reference, classic NYC hip hop is my favorite form of the genre.
This ties into his voice. When I say voice, I don't mean flow. Frankly, flow is overrated in the scope of hip hop. I mean his voice. It's soft. It blends into the music.
When I think of a powerful voice in hip hop, this is what I'm looking for.
https://youtu.be/kPXy-yHkULw
Listen to RZA. What he got:
- powerful storytelling
- emotional delivery that draws you into the song
- I envision a movie playing of rza the wise sage talking to his Wi brethren sipping on him
- raw production
I don't get these things when I listen to Jay and those things are why I like hip hop.
Those things are also the touchstone hallmarks of NYC hip hop.
remember when Nas called him Gay-Z :doge
The only thing I dislike about ether is the lazy homophobia disses.
He has an excellent flow and weaves in and out of great lines almost effortlessly. The man in his prime was endlessly quotable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnuVkoHALLs
Ether was the better diss, Takeover is the better song.
The real appeal to Hov to me was his character. Particularly in Reasonable Doubt to Blueprint where he's just a pompous ass. One of the best heels rap ever had. Also dude is absolutely skilled on the mic, it feels like "real rap" backpackers always seem to ignore that he's a better MC than most of their favs.
I don't particularly like blueprint as an album either, outside of Reasonable Doubt and Black Album he doesn't really have a great album though his weaker ones tend to have stand out tracks regardless. I've said this before and I'll say it again, if we're going to bury rappers for weak discographies, then nobody is safe.
how bizarre to decry jay on the basis of his constructing silly arguments about what a rapper or rap as art is and then doing the same to jay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ww-TQUeA3EHeh, if we want to talk about rap artists keeping it too real...
:aah
We can keep goin bruh
PAPOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!
It's also hilarious to me how on Takeover Jay takes shots at Nas for having made only 4 albums in a decade.
Truly showing his mentality for quantity > quality.
People like different things; some people are the same about rock music. OMG LISTEN TO THIS GUITAR WORK, DO YOU REALIZE HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS?
Uh.. sure.. but it sounds like shit.
Hip-hop evolved in both directions; I like technical rap, and I like mumble rap.
didn't Nas abuse his ex wife? And the worst Jay Z has done is say some misogynistic stuff on some tracks? On that basis alone Jay Z > Nas
Where is PD when we need him? :thinking
Also NAS LOST.
You can say that Jay rhymes better, but this is music buddy. What matters most is the meaning. The artistry. What does Jay have to say or express about the human condition? That's what' I'm interested in. What's your message?:hmm
The core of why I think Jay is okay but not great and definitely not a legend is his take on Kanye. Dude said Kanye couldn't make it as a rapper because he wasn't a street hustler. He said all of them were street hustlers growing up and Kanye wasn't. That's how vapid Jay is. That's how limited his view of rap is. He's about the image. Jay isn't an artist. Oh, he has the capability. But ultimately he's a business man.
Hilarious you ask for PD as if PD would cosign a post that says Nas lost which says how much you know about PD.
PD, like myself, is a Nas and Pac stan.
Also imo the greatest hip hop song of all time.
Also imo the greatest hip hop song of all time.
For Tupac, most of my favorite material of his are the OG mixes and unpublished tracks. It's interesting to see how much the vibe changed posthumously for various tracks. Until the End of Time was such a radical shift, going from a laid back Stevie Wonder chorus with the words changed and original instrumentation to an entirely different and darker vibe (tbf I like both, the posthumous release was an earlier enough adaptation to not be as anachronistic as some, though I prefer listening to the original).
Where is PD when we need him? :thinking
Also NAS LOST.
Listened to post BP2 Jay for the first time and he really comes into his own. The run of Black Album, Kingdom Come, and American Gangster is incredible. American Gangster could be a classic. Listened to it three times in a row.
Seems I was right and older Jay > younger Jay
Lets not forget Kanye didn't wrap about that shit either. Lupe remixed the song and made it about blood diamonds. Then Kanye released his own remix that addressed the topic (plus the Hov verse). I kinda wonder if Hov's verse was initially supposed to be on the original version because like you said...it doesn't fit the remix.
I remember us talking about this like 15 years ago lmao.