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Title: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: mormapope on August 02, 2022, 06:01:08 PM
Military sci fi space opera child/teenage soldier setting and environment. Cast of characters have chemistry and the bonds they share are genuine. Main character isn't a meathead, is more quiet and thoughtful without being dull or angsty. Baller combat and music, gorgeous  environments, great voice acting.

Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 06:42:15 PM
Mitsuda went absolutely ballistic with the music and so far they picked the best elements from each and every Xenoblade game.  :whew

I thought Elden Ring was the GOTY and then this magical game drops. :rejoice
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 02, 2022, 07:10:58 PM
Eh, I'll play for 30 hours then stop
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 02, 2022, 07:44:11 PM
It's solid, but I want to know where the "gorgeous environments" and "ballistic music" come in? Is that a wait 50 hours and it'll show up kind of thing? :P

Game is one of the ugliest rpgs I've ever seen not even talking about the low framerate and resolution. Looks way worse than XB2 outside the resolution imo in terms of art direction. Music also doesn't seem as good. As of ch.3 the only good music is the battle theme, boss theme and night time colony theme. None of the fields have music that stand out yet.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: BIONIC on August 03, 2022, 01:43:33 AM
I’m (re)playing a real JRPG right now instead ::)

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Final Fantasy 13
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plz send help  :stahp
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 03, 2022, 11:36:44 AM
Honestly, not seeing all the praise so far.

The battle system seems even more overly complex and yet more brain dead. Things die so quickly and abilities spread out so much that I feel like I’m not doing anything. Just got off XB1DE where the battle system seems like a mad rush to knock an enemy down and keep them down, here I feel like the topple system is whatever.

And so far the world is so boring. Big environments with bland texture work copied and pasted over and over. Nothing my really interesting to see or be in. Nothing close to as cool as one and not feeling like a world like in XBX. These bland samey colonies are not towns and do nothing to add atmosphere or life.

The story is whatever. Nothing offensive, just kind of there. This cast is pretty unassuming. Not much to them so far and nothing about them stands out beyond if you want to really force some memes.

Music is great.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2022, 12:37:42 PM
Yeah, the world is super boring so far through ch.3. Not sure what people are seeing in it. XB1, XB2 and XBX's biggest selling point was it's massive and interesting world to explore. This is just like bland and uninteresting, though the vertical layers of level design in Ribbit Flats is very good level design.

The combat is good but it has problems. I'm sick of spending 1-2 minutes watching chain events play out every major battle (sometimes multiple times in one battle). XB2's chain attacks were the same and dragged the battles. They didn't learn a goddamn thing there. Fights in XB3 still take a very long time in comparison to normal wrpgs/jrpgs for elites/uniques.

I think the story is alright, but I don't like how it cramps the setting into a boring desolate world of small colony camps. Also the antagonists are lame af. I actually miss Shin and stupid haircut guy from XB2 and the evil mechs from XB1 still the best. I don't even remember who the enemies were in XBX because the story there was really bad.

XB3's world reminds me more of XBX. Outside a jungle stage in like ch.2 of XBX, the world was pretty but bland. XB3 has that XBX blandness but without the pretty.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 03, 2022, 01:24:31 PM
If Xenoblade 1 was a classic snes jrpg.

Xenoblade 3 is the teenager infused PS1 follow up.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2022, 01:43:32 PM
I just miss that feeling of a party going off on an adventure.

It's sorta there in XB3 as you travel and the party starts to bond, but it just feels less a fun adventure across rolling green grass hills because of the setting/story. At least it's not angsty. Could've easily been an angsty cast in this setting.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on August 03, 2022, 02:16:18 PM
Honestly, not seeing all the praise so far.

The battle system seems even more overly complex and yet more brain dead. Things die so quickly and abilities spread out so much that I feel like I’m not doing anything. Just got off XB1DE where the battle system seems like a mad rush to knock an enemy down and keep them down, here I feel like the topple system is whatever.

And so far the world is so boring. Big environments with bland texture work copied and pasted over and over. Nothing my really interesting to see or be in. Nothing close to as cool as one and not feeling like a world like in XBX. These bland samey colonies are not towns and do nothing to add atmosphere or life.

The story is whatever. Nothing offensive, just kind of there. This cast is pretty unassuming. Not much to them so far and nothing about them stands out beyond if you want to really force some memes.

Music is great.

 :goldberg

I'm thinking about skipping Xenoblade 3. I really hate XB2 and I just don't get it and it's really becoming apparent that 3 is more of the same.
No, I already canceled my pre-order. I know I'm not going  to like this game so why waste anymore energy on it. 100+ hours to beat also sounds unappealing. I'll just continue to play Live A Live, a game that dosen't embarrass me.
Getting Digimon Survive instead.
Let it die.

:kermit

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Rahx, I love ya, buddy.
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2022, 02:19:10 PM
Tbf, I don't even like Digimon but that new game looks pretty great.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 03, 2022, 02:38:55 PM
I think it’s fucking sick. We love a job system with clothing changes!
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 03, 2022, 03:15:30 PM
I did get Digimon Survive.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2022, 04:18:01 PM
It's not even an RPG, you date the Digimon.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 03, 2022, 05:19:49 PM
If you and a digimon went camping and you woke up with dirt on your knees and digmon cum oozing out of your ass, would you tell anybody?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: BIONIC on August 03, 2022, 05:38:26 PM
 :jeanluc
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Tuckers Law on August 03, 2022, 09:28:32 PM
Why wouldn't you?  Sounds like a standard camping trip to me.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 03, 2022, 10:23:14 PM
Unlike the first 2 games, the story path doesn’t take you to like most of the world map. A lot of exploration is side content and that’s where you get all the heroes and find cool landmarks. If you played the first 2 games, you can recognize so much remixed levels. I think it is VERY COOL. Best Xenoblade game I think.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 04, 2022, 01:07:34 AM
Remixed levels aka XB3 map is so big because it just re-uses the assets/areas from the earlier games. I think that's really lame personally. These are like the boring no character knock offs of the original areas that were actually interesting in their own games.

I don't give one shit about revisiting XB1/2. All the connections so far just make XB3 less interesting to me.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 04, 2022, 01:46:00 AM
It's all new, but there will be like little nods like landmarks from Gaur Plain or some lighting effects from Satorl Marsh. I think the structure of 1 was cooler because you really felt like you were climbing up the titan, but this is better than 2 which I found very lame and disconnected.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 04, 2022, 02:12:34 AM
There's just no rhyme or rhythm connecting the zones here. I get that is the point because it's like for some story reason the XB1 and XB2 worlds merged, but it just makes the world design a chaotic mess of completely separate zones that just border each other.

I'm just not a fan of this setting.

I still like the game a lot. Some of these sidequests are great. Maybe best sidequests in the series. I actually think the sidequests are my favorite part of the game so far. More than the main story, the map exploration and the combat.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 04, 2022, 09:03:17 AM
These areas are from previous games?

Didn’t even notice since they seem to be drab landmasses of whatever.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 04, 2022, 12:31:33 PM
But this battle theme is one of the best I’ve heard in a long while. Very youthful energy which is fitting for this game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 04, 2022, 12:51:05 PM
I think the music is good, but nothing is memorable or sticks out to me so far outside the boss battle theme with its vocal shouts. Like the battle music is solid, but there's like 1,000+ good jrpg battle themes at this point so it doesn't stand out. I can't remember the last time I could remember the tune of a jrpg battle theme when I'm not playing the game.

I do like the colony musics because they're simple piano stuff that's softer at night. But there's also a dime a dozen jrpg songs like that out there.

What I am looking forward to at some point in XB3 are the real standout tracks like in XB2's flying holy city.

Also in general I feel like ACE team, Mitsuda and the other composers are good, but it's all a large step down from Xenogears/Xenosaga ep1 Mitsuda. Kajiura was good too, but nothing tops XG/XS ep1 Mitsuda (throw in Chrono Cross too).
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2022, 06:24:43 PM
20 hours in now, still having a great time.

The map and world design is actually pretty damn genius.
Usually when you just enter an area it almost feels like you're moving through corridors surrounded by mountains.
But then later on you're on a mountain thinking: "Wait, that's where I started 2 hours ago?!".
It's more linear than BOTW and I guess more linear than XBC2 as well but it works really well.

The only thing holding this game back from its full potential is the Switch hardware.
For example, the 'staged' battles where you have to pick a side and other map events could've been better integrated into a more livelier world with better hardware.
You could have interactions between colonies like wars and trade as opposed to colonies just acting as small villages and better animations on the characters outside of the motion captured cutscenes.
It's really a classic RPG in the sense that nothing happens until you come along and trigger it. Which is different from Elden Ring where things move, fight and exist and you are sort of a tourist in a world already in motion.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 04, 2022, 08:45:50 PM
These starting regions are so huge. I keep finding new stuff. At some point will actually start ch.4 and move to the next region. Probably be like 35 hours by that point.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2022, 01:43:18 PM
I guess the last thing they finished in the game before launch was sidequest boss death scenes? Because they feel really unfinished or missing.

spoilers for Valdi hero quest
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You beat the consul monster and then get a 2 second cutscene of him going "hahaha I am invincibl..." and then the mech behind him blows up and you just assume he got exploded. This was kind of funny though I'm not sure if it was on purpose.
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spoilers for Teach hero quest
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You score the last hit in the fight and the screen instantly transitions to Teach talking to the crew and the consul just...isn't there. Feels like a scene was cut/missing where the consul was supposed to have died.
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In general the whole copy & paste color swap consul bosses are the weakest part of the game so far. Kind of a bad mechanic. Story-wise they should have at least established early on that A-Z consuls were all just dumb no-name grunts and the group sitting above them are the real unique named antagonists of the game. Because outside of the intro ch.1 consul guy, the rest are all just dumb no-name grunts without even a unique boss 3d model.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 05, 2022, 02:28:48 PM
They also all looking fucking dumb and lame.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2022, 02:32:41 PM
No one:

The Xenoblade 3 composers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKsOyTB98As

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI-cYpd_YDs

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The consuls remind me of Seele and the Noah/Mio Ouroboros of EVA Unit 01  :thinking
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2022, 02:44:47 PM
They definitely seem like going for that younger shounen audience with their goofy eyes and animal designs.
Also their attitudes don't make them scary masked bad guys like the Testaments from Xenosaga. They're all goofy caricatures of generic shounen villains.


I'm still in ch.3 so not far in the story but my guess on who they are at this point is
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That all the colonies people are clones and the consuls are the originals and the main badguy is original Noah[/spoilers]

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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2022, 06:57:01 PM
I think I ran into a Metal Gear Solid reference :thinking

How is this cast so likeable  :lol
Not to mention all the new classes  :D

They definitely seem like going for that younger shounen audience with their goofy eyes and animal designs.
Also their attitudes don't make them scary masked bad guys like the Testaments from Xenosaga. They're all goofy caricatures of generic shounen villains.


I'm still in ch.3 so not far in the story but my guess on who they are at this point is
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That all the colonies people are clones and the consuls are the originals and the main badguy is original Noah[/spoilers]
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Also in chapter 3 still, collecting heroes and liberation colonies. As it merges the XB1 and XB2 worlds my guess is this.
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The Consuls need to harvest life energy with the flame clocks to retain their power and stay alive. It's almost entirely the same as the Mechon/Homs plot from Xenoblade 1. Where the essence of the dead Homs returned to the world and the Mechon were merely harvesters intended to speed up that process. So my take is that the Consuls/Moebius fought the Ouroboros many decades ago and won the war but with their victory there was no more life to be harvested. In some sort of philosophical way they had consumed too much of the world. The consuls refer to the Agnus/Kevesi as 'drones' and their war as 'a game'.
 
So the Moebius either created the Agnus and Kevesi 'blades' as lifestock to consume or indeed cloned the few Ouroboros that were still left. It also possible that they simply corrupted the clone soldiers of their enemy. In any case an eternal conflict would mean an endless harvest of energy. Vandham used the device at the start of the game to free Noah and friends from this fate and to spark a revolution. The plot twist will be that Moebius used the energy for another purpose as well that Noah and friends don't yet know about, mainly preventing the black fog or whatever to take hold and consume the world. It turns out that not just the XB1 and XB2 worlds collided but also the shadow world.
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 05, 2022, 11:20:01 PM
Might finish up ch.3 tonight. Got all the side stuff and exploration under lvl.50 done in the first two areas. Nothing left to do but finish the story and move to ch.4's area for now. 30 hours in now. Lvl.32 party.

I kind of love the game, but I have so many issues with it at the same time. So far I think the critics giving it in the 8/10 range is about right. With some better design decisions & better switch hardware this could have been amazing, but it's still pretty impressive just with a ton of flaws. Definitely better than XB2 already.

The Fornis region overall when you've fully mapped the whole thing out is ridiculously impressive in scope and design. The first region when fully mapped out is fine, but Fornis is really good. I wish the story actually took you through most of the map but at least they throw a sidequest or two in each sub-area. XB3 reminds me a lot of XBX where they make this giant world with tons of design but the main quest just beelines through it in a straight line and the rest of the world is just sorta there to walk around, fight some enemies, find some treasure and do a few subquests in but otherwise it's not really designated as a part of the story adventure scenario which is a shame.

Some of the views in Fornis are really nice, especially when you have good weather. The art direction has grown on me as I've spent time in areas and seen them in various times of day and weather. Sometimes when you're first in an area it's just an ugly time of day/weather, but can look nicer later.

But yeah, Fornis is impressive. If the rest of the game has more regions that compare to this quality, I think I'll like this game a lot when all is said and done.

(https://i.imgur.com/HLKsuMKh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wX5X88Gh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TJUT3FMh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7UVHEUTh.jpg)

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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2022, 04:36:34 AM
This is one of those games that gets better the more you play :rejoice
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2022, 05:39:36 PM
lmao Riku shitting on Lanz all the time  :lol

Level 40 chapter 3, I'm quite overleveled for the story stuff where I'm at. The first 2 regions are just too good. Some classes are crazy good, especially the healer class with the staff and the attacker with two pistols  :whew
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2022, 05:57:32 PM
Is it just me or does the combat totally break when you fight multiple enemies? Like your AI tank is too dumb to handle multiple aggros and there aren't any good circular AoE aggro grabbing fast cooldown moves to just tank a bunch yourself.

My solution to multi-enemy fights is just to avoid them at all costs but if I have to for a fight have like 3-4 tanks and 3-4 healers.

The worst is when you're fighting an elite or unique that is hard enough on their own that you can just barely survive/beat them and some dumb easy mob stumbles into your fight and then your entire AI team just breaks and dies horribly because they can't handle multiple enemies.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2022, 06:51:09 PM
The trick is to stick close together otherwise the healers and defenders can't cover the attackers. Sometimes you have to rally the group back to your position.
Once I figured that out the fights got much easier. If weaker enemies join, make sure to take them out first with Focus attacks.

I usually have 2 healers, 2 defenders and 2 attackers and finally a hero. Zeon blocks basically everything so he's a good default choice or Valdi as an additional medic.
I tried a bunch of combo's, overall defensive strategies are easier. So 3 healers, 3 defenders and just 1 attacker works well but 3 or 4 attackers doesn't.

With the right combo you can wreck level 40 enemies at level 33. Or at least that's what I did.
Don't forget about the Gems and Accessoires too, everything stacks basically. I got like a critical rate +40% and then another critical damage +20%.
Interlinking right at the start of the fight works well too, Noah and Mio have this Dragon Tail move that drops the attack power of an enemy by 30% if it hits.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2022, 07:06:56 PM
No, I mean like when there's 5 enemies your AI two tanks can't keep them aggro'd and you'll see red lines and the healers will die.

The AI just seems to suck at managing aggro for more than 1 enemy per tank.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 06, 2022, 09:11:38 PM
The further I get into more and more difficult areas, the more I add aggro management items and gems to my characters. It gets super important.

Btw, do NOT go into the hero roster menu  :-\ I got spoiled on a few heroes. It's like the blade album from 2, but even easier to guess who is behind the silhouette.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2022, 10:43:48 PM
The further I get into more and more difficult areas, the more I add aggro management items and gems to my characters. It gets super important.

Yeah, I need to start checking a wiki on certain drops because my gems are still stuck at II/III mostly.

One problem with being overleveled is if you aren't fighting the greyed out low level mobs since there's no point, you're missing mob drops and you might need those later for things like gems. I skipped fighting a lot of normal enemies in the back half of ch.3 because I was way over their level.

I haven't used any bonus xp in like 20 hours since ch.2. Waiting for enemy xp to start catching back up.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 07, 2022, 09:09:52 AM
The end of Chapter 3 :titus
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2022, 01:58:25 AM
Still in Ch.4, digging it. Sidequesting at Colony Tau atm. It's more linear like XB1 at this point but that's fine. Some nice music.

At this point, I mostly control whoever's tanking in the party. Tanking feels like the most fun since it's a challenging keeping aggro, facing the enemy away from the party, and keeping near a healer to get healed. Probably closest single player game I've played to get the feel of tanking in an MMO right.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2022, 03:32:48 AM
I looked up how long the game is and it lined up with what I'm feeling at this point.

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That I'm basically halfway. Plus I kinda cheated looking at party affinity skills and Caravan Call aka lvl.2 for all Colonies you visit is at 45% before you get Tau to rank 2, so...that adds up to about 12 colony camps total and Tau being #6 that puts me smack midway. Plus like midway through the circular world map, and level-wise midway to 80-99 at ~lvl.38-48 now. So yeah, very midway feel here.
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Pretty interested to see where it goes from here because while I like it a lot, I feel like there's been not much story so far, and Xenoblade games usually become pretty story heavy after a certain point. I'm guessing once I reach the sword city aka initial objective from the intro, that the story will kick off. I like the cast and the journey so far though.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 09, 2022, 12:55:27 PM
I’m a bit into chapter 4 and I still find the game pretty boring. The high praise the game has received is confusing.

The battle system really plays it self. It’s like they dumbed down Xenoblade 1’s. XB1 is kick them on the ground gameplay. Since you can instantly refill the topple, break, and dazed gauges when you attack with a corresponding attack it becomes a mad dash to keep the enemies toppled. Because if they are in that state and you hit them with a break, a daze, whatever they stay in it.  Add in the all out attack thing and you have a very quickly burn them down system. It’s why using Dunban and no healer is great.

Here it’s like the game plays itself. Hell I’ve put the controller down during a few consul battles and the game literally plays itself.

Switching characters isn’t that intuitive to spice up the gameplay and all these jobs seem rather pointless when many of them don’t seem to have topple, launch, and break. The abilities you get from a class to mix with others also seem in the end pointless. It’s all clutter and yet adds nothing if you ask me. Combat seems thoughtless compared to XB1 were I have a clear goal. So far it just seems like press cooldowns and repeat.

The world feels like mud world. I have seen few cool things. I guess they will never match the sheer coolness of XB1’s setting. I know I haven’t made it to the “place”, but so far this is possibly the most boring world in these games. Not helped by the image quality, but everything just looks so bland.

I’m also still waiting for this story to do anything.

Also while I don’t see what’s exciting about the combat, it feels like the most mmo single player game ever.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2022, 02:05:04 PM
I still think the world is kind of visually boring but I've made my peace with that and they're still well designed areas. When they make a XB4 hopefully they can make an interesting world again.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 06:31:47 PM
6 party members + 1 hero indeed makes for battles that sometimes require little participation from the player.
But I don't really mind that actually.

I do think that the experienced Xenoblade players can level way too fast with the large ammount of side content and Exp bonuses.
It would've been better if the story content 'scaled' with the player level instead of applying a level to each area.
The Kevesi and Agnus squads sort of scale I suppose but those soldiers are weaksauce regardless of their level.
 
On the other hand it saves some backtracking later when you can clear out the areas and unique monsters during your first visit.
I do find that the game is still challenging despite fighting level 30 - 35 unique monsters at level 40. Sometimes they still wipe out my entire party when I underestimate them.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 09, 2022, 06:39:47 PM
It would've been better if the story content 'scaled' with the player level instead of applying a level to each area.

No, level scaling in rpgs always sucks. Always.

Never feel like you're actually getting stronger.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 06:59:57 PM
It would've been better if the story content 'scaled' with the player level instead of applying a level to each area.

No, level scaling in rpgs always sucks. Always.

Never feel like you're actually getting stronger.
Not necessarily in the fields but I think it would work for the bosses to a certain extend.

I'm probably going to switch to hard to see what changes on that setting.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 02:33:25 PM
I just realized the cat girl is literally called Meow :titus
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 10, 2022, 02:46:40 PM
Speaking of which, this is the first Xeno~ game I'm playing in English text. Played everything Xenogears -> XB2 in Japanese text/audio import versions. But no reason to now with worldwide releases and JP audio tracks.

I heard XB2's translation was crazy. People have called it "aggressive localization". Like they changed the names of every character in the game and terms and loose translations for everything. XB3 is supposedly A LOT better.

But, while the translation is sorta fine-ish, and thankfully it doesn't seem like they changed the main party members names this time. They still changed like the name of half the Hero characters and NPC to make them less Japanese. Which is pretty jarring when the audio track says one name but the text says another. Also all the British slang is weird with the JP audio honestly. It's one thing to use an accent in translation when the Japanese text/audio is using an accent. You often see the Osaka dialect in games be translated as like a southern accent in English localizations. Or if you're going full Alexander O. Smith and just making the whole thing Shakespearean (which Matsuno was down with).

But here it's like normal text with random British slang thrown in from time to time. I get it makes more sense with the English dub being dubbed with UK actors, but with the JP audio it's very strange when they say something like "Queen's Knickers" or something.

Also the Nopon flavor text is exclusive to the English version. In the original Japanese they just use a goofy word at the end of each sentence like Moogles do with "blah blah blah Kupo". I'm ok with this because the weird grammar makes them goofier, but at the same time occasionally it's hard to parse and figure out what the fuck they are saying.

Still Manana is the best party member.

Anyhow, if they didn't change the names of characters I wouldn't mind the localization. But it's just like passable imo. Changing names in localizations just reeks of never leaving the 90s. You'd think we were past that.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 10, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
This game is fucking boring. Characters suck, story is not interesting. Battle music is awful, even the "unique monster" theme. Only good one has been when I fought the consul.

Job systems never work, they fucking suck

Takahashi fell off, time for new blood
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 05:22:25 PM
This game is fucking boring. Characters suck, story is not interesting. Battle music is awful, even the "unique monster" theme. Only good one has been when I fought the consul.

Job systems never work, they fucking suck

Takahashi fell off, time for new blood
Have you played Xenoblade 1 recently? Because this game is closer to 'Xenoblade 2' than Xenoblade 2 itself was.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 10, 2022, 05:43:41 PM
This game is fucking boring. Characters suck, story is not interesting. Battle music is awful, even the "unique monster" theme. Only good one has been when I fought the consul.

Job systems never work, they fucking suck

Takahashi fell off, time for new blood

It’s a very slow burn game.
Takes until mid/late ch.3 to start clicking.


Also I wonder how involved Takahashi is with the series any more. He hasn’t directed the games in forever. Feels more like a Suda51 thing where he’s like semi-retired and Koh Kojima is heading the series now.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 10, 2022, 05:44:48 PM
And yeah the game feels like a direct sequel to XB1 that’s thrown away most of XB2. Kinda weird since XB2 did have a few good things about it. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 10, 2022, 07:22:43 PM
I've played all Xenoblade, this one is horrible at getting to the point. I already have that "ugh, gotta force myself through this one" feeling. I should have just waited for Soul Hackers instead
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 10, 2022, 08:10:52 PM
It's the Kirby Air Ride of jrpgs. It takes forever to get good, but then it just keeps getting better.
Locking the decent combat/tank/heal classes until 15-20 hours into the game was a decision.


Like I just did the Maktha Wildwoods and including the upper/lower that is a fucking good map. Plus some good cutscenes at the end of it too.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 10, 2022, 09:02:19 PM
"Is this what getting OLD is?"

How many cutscenes a bitch gotta watch for them to say AGAIN that yes EVERYONE wants to kill you
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 10, 2022, 09:06:56 PM
A lot more.

Game has the "watch cutscene" -> gameplay and you get to walk 100 steps -> "watch cutscene" pace a lot.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 10, 2022, 09:13:07 PM
"Hmmm should we go east or west." "The west is safer." "Hmmm ok" "But is it REALLY safer?"

Like dude these characters are dumb as shit.

Shulk: "I'll kill all you fuckers, chase you to the ends of the earth. Fuckers"

Rex: "I need to get to the tree! Whatever it takes!"

Noah: "Bubububu I dont want to hurt people"

BITCHMADE ass motherfuckin losers
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 10, 2022, 10:10:08 PM
Where I'm at I feel like Noah isn't much of a character and is more a Light Novel reader stand-in. He's pretty passive and has the least unique personality of the team.

But he's starting to have a little more personality, so maybe by the end he'll be more of a character. Shulk and Rex were more traditional strong personalities.

Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 10, 2022, 11:33:25 PM
Xenoblade 3 is bad. I’m sorry.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on August 11, 2022, 07:48:15 AM
Xenoblade 3 is bad. I’m sorry.

But you said this, elsewhere, last night:

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Ok I guess XB3 has been ok….maybe a 7 at this point. Maybe im just out of touch and old now but I just don’t get the high praise.

:dead
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 11, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
this game slays. u guys are crazy. i beat the main story last night, now i'm doing all the sidequests and unique monsters
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 11, 2022, 10:18:41 AM
Like why do I have to make Lanz a healer type character when he is CLEARLY a fucking tank character? He is the ONLY one who can use the Sharla class ripoff. Why??????????

I fucking hate job systems and will go to the grave with this. Fuck job systems
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 11, 2022, 10:20:49 AM
I mean I was just giving a flippant response to Demi’s post.

Elsewhere aka discords comment isn’t even a ringing endorsement. I’m not even saying I’m enjoying it. That it’s ok. Which when I play it is ok. It still has the fun topple system even if it’s missing nuance. When I look at it through the lens of it being an offline FFXIV I see potential.

But also I’m already checked out on this story. It’s lame nonsense. I haven’t made it to the City yet so maybe that changes everything, but as is I don’t really see how people like this trash. The characters are cute and personable yes. In there one note archetype ways. But every time the game pauses for them to pontificate in their sad back story I just don’t care. A story does not seem to be being told to me. A story that cares about pacing or being interesting. “Is this way becoming old is” or whatever the line is was so lame and on the nose.

Maybe I’m just not paying attention, but nothing has grabbed me. It’s lame. The villains are lame. Talking all mysteriously and saying basically the same crap is lame.

The world is lame. I have no connection to it. It’s a bunch of muddy textures strung together to create nothing.

The job system has yet to reveal itself. The arts I mix and match at the end of the day don’t excite. I’d rather the classes just be stuck with thier specific arts. Have the 6 slots all be the shulk class abilities.

Honestly it’s just kind of a bland game. It’s the most stale XB game. Yeah it dosent have the loser anime shit of two, but maybe this series only has one good game.


And X.

I just don’t get it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 11, 2022, 10:47:01 AM
I'm mixed on if the job system here is any good.

Jobs are fun to have. It's adds variety in the character you are controlling since each job plays a bit different.
But the game suffers from the same issue as base FFXII where the characters are all identical and have no unique gameplay features. It's kinda even worse than FFXII because of how easy it is to have everyone max every job here, so you don't even have dedicated paths for each character your building. You just say "ok, here I want 3 healers, 1 tank, 3 attackers" and it doesn't matter who you make what.

Also the job system has these dumbass restrictions that just take away most of the fun of a job system in the first place. Not only do only certain arts/skills carry over, but the system where you only get to use HALF of them because each tribe Agnes/Keeves can only carry over master arts/skills from each other is insanely dumb fuck limiting.

It feels like a job system made by people who've never played games with good jobs systems before like FF5 or X-2.



There's also so many dumb ass decisions like if outside battle I'm controlling Noah running around and he's not the party's tank, then if I aggro everything as I run by I get killed sometimes because he has non-tank low HP and can't take hits. More annoyingly, every fucking time I start a battle as Noah if he's the non-tank he immediately aggros every enemy and loves to die in 5 seconds before the tanks can even take the aggro. Why does the controlling character who starts combat always take all the aggro? It's fucking stupid.

You can get around this by putting the gem on the tank to start the battle with aggro. However, this opens up another issue with the game design in that every time you switch jobs the game auto-equips random gems/arts/accessories on characters and with gems it ALWAYS equips the worst gems for the job. It loves to auto-equip auto-attack shorteners instead of like job specific tank/attacker/healer gems. So basically if you want to not have your party fuck up, you have to micro-manage the gems/accessories/arts every time you change jobs which is all the time in the game if you're leveling all the classes.

The AI is also just so fucking dumb. I am convinced XB3 has the worst party AI in an rpg because it doesn't even try to handle party synergy and the AI is just programmed separately for each job to do their one thing independent of the rest of the party make up. Basically the goal is to just be as overpowered as possible going into fights because otherwise you're running uphill trying to get around really stupid fucking AI in your party. Stuff like attackers without positionals hanging out away from the party and taking a healer with them away from the party to heal them so the party is down one less healer. Stuff like the tank not positioning enemy attacks away from the party. Stuff like the party just not being able to deal with multiple enemies at all.

In fact in XB3, an easy boss that has 2 enemies at once is going to be harder than a tougher boss that is solo like every time, even with multiple tanks in your party. For example. In ch.4

BIG SPOILER BOSS BATTLE
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The fight with Ethel and Cammurvi.

I had 2 tanks, 3 healers, 2 attackers and for the first part of that fight my party was getting the shit kicked out of them fighting both at once. Got near death many times that I scrapped through with revives and fusions and chain attacks just barely.

Once I killed one of them, the other was ez pz joke.

Then I fought the combined O+P boss after and again it was ez pz joke even though it was supposed to be the bigger tougher boss. But against solo enemies my team is invincible. But add a 2nd enemies and the AI breaks and everyone gets totally murdered.
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Again, the solution is just if you're fighting multiple enemies to be as overpowered as possible and just kill the low HP ones ASAP before your team gets wrecked. I haven't used any party xp since early ch.2 so now I'm lvl.40 and the enemies are lvl.40 and I aggro and have to fight almost everything so I notice the combat flaws more and more.

I have enough party XP to jump to lvl.50 now, and I might just do it because I don't see much point in not being overleveled anymore to make up for the combat system issue.


Anyhow, still think it's a good game. Enjoying it tons. But it has some real dumb design issues.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 11, 2022, 11:12:26 AM
Also, not being able to skip chain event cutscenes, especially Ouroboros orders is some grade A PS1 FF7 Knights of the Round bullshit that makes every unique/boss battle take 2x-3x as long just watching them play out.

This is like Trails of the Black not letting you skip S-crafts until it was patched in a year later. But it's even worse here because S-Crafts in Trails games are way shorter.

The thing is it's not like they didn't have five years of XB2 to build off of, where the biggest issue with that battle system were the chain events that dragged out the fight lengths, but somehow they decided it was good design to make chain events even longer in XB3. WTF.

This reeks of something if they were porting it to other systems a year later as a "director's cut" they'd add in a skip chain event cutscenes button.


At the end of the day, even if I end up loving the story and adventure of XB3 and game overall, there's no way I'd score this over an 8/10 because it's just got so many flaws. Which would still be better than XB2 which was like a 6/10 to me. And XBX was like a 6/10 or 7/10.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 11, 2022, 11:16:09 AM
Which also reminds me that Monolith Soft has never been known for good gameplay.

Xenogears was Square and a lot of different staff. XenoSaga ep1 had kinda shitty and slow gameplay but got by on its story/music/gfx. Ep2 had even worse gameplay. Ep3 had fun gameplay. XB1 was a flash in a pan simple offline MMO gameplay that worked. XBX was mediocre gameplay. XB2 was mediocre gameplay. XB3 is batting just barely average gameplay.

MonolithSoft are story, music, scope, art design people. They are not AAA gameplay designers. So it's not that strange their systems have lots of flaws.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 11, 2022, 11:36:00 AM
I think the art in these games has been awful.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2022, 06:50:47 PM
The first I suppose half of this game plays out very much like a set of anime episodes in terms of how it is structured.
You start exploring an area, eventually you run into some sort of episodic plot with a new 'hero' taking the stage with a different personality, in the end you beat the villain or help the colony to earn the trust of the hero and you rest up, ready for the next day of a new exciting episode of Xenoblade 3. Meanwhile there's the overarching plot lingering in the background that gets more prominent as the party makes progress towards their goal.

At the same time it also includes the open world gameplay of X of building up the colony but piecemeal on a smaller scale instead of 1 giant infinite city and world to discover, unlock and expand.

I like the pacing in XB3 myself as you can play for 2 or 3 hours to do a few side things and finish an 'episode' (hero quest) within a 'season' (chapter). The next day you can start a new adventure.
However, that is indeed different from Xenoblade 1 (which was just 1 overarching plot with very little side content apart from fetch quests) and Xenoblade 2 which was more akin to a movie or novel I suppose.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2022, 02:01:18 AM
The amount of enemies in tight areas in ch.4's

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Keeves' castle
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is kind of ridiculous and takes forever. Also the unique enemy that's the triad of 3 unique mechs that constantly spawn guards that lock everyone on the defender guard was an annoying fight. Would've been fine fighting the 3 of them if they weren't also spawning the guards on top of that.

After I beat that I was just tired and so I went and used all my party xp and went from 44->54....and then I still aggro everything here that's lvl.38 but now everything dies quick like I'm playing on easy. Oh well, guess the combat will be meaningless for the next 30 hours since I'm so far above the story. Was kind of fun being on the same as the story and having a challenge with fights but aggroing everything was getting a bit tiring.

Also chain attacks are ridiculously OP. I fought this lvl.43 unique when I was lvl.41 and I started the chain attack when it still had like 60-70% HP left and I killed it by the end of the chain attack with regular orders and ouroboros orders. It's just ridiculous how much damage you can do during a full chain and you can fill the chain meter up pretty quickly. Basically just start off with some attacks and then interlink pretty soon after and then chain attack -> repeat.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2022, 02:03:44 PM
I definitely regret having used my party xp in a moment of being in a bad mood and tired of aggroing everything. And then saving over my only save slot too :|

Guess I'll bump it to hard difficulty today and see if it makes the game more enjoyable. The combat only really works in an enjoyable way in this series if there's an actual challenge that you can die so you gotta play well. Otherwise it's like Rahx says where you just sit back and the game plays itself.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 12, 2022, 02:21:45 PM
How are you having so much xp? I literally just run past everything and do whatever quests crop up (which isnt much?) and I feel like I’m at level with things in the story.

Chapter 4, just did the colony quests after the big fight prior against J

Lvl 38

Also why does my chain die after 4 combos max? I literally can keep going but the game is like haha just kidding
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
How are you having so much xp? I literally just run past everything and do whatever quests crop up (which isnt much?) and I feel like I’m at level with things in the story.

Chapter 4, just did the colony quests after the big fight prior against J

Lvl 38

Also why does my chain die after 4 combos max? I literally can keep going but the game is like haha just kidding

If you do all the quests and use the party xp you end up severely overleveled in this game.
A lot of the quests are hidden though, if you're just running the main story route you're missing a lot of quests and colonies and heroes. All the ?s on the maps are quests.
You know about party xp that you use at camps, right? If you don't use party xp you generally stay around the same level as the story. But the party XP puts you over it.

You also get party XP from discovering landmarks. How many hours in are you? I'm 50 hours by this point.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 12, 2022, 02:52:09 PM
I'm not exploring, the world is uninteresting and doesn't really encourage it

I am using my Party XP as well

The hero system is "ok" but I hate that they essentially force you to make characters jobs that do not at all fit their "persona"

When they said "hey make Lanz a healer" I noped out
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2022, 02:59:40 PM
Fair enough. Yeah I'm mapping out each map 100% cause I enjoy it. Fight all the uniques for their drops/fast travel point, do all the quests, etc...

Chain attack ends because each time you use an order it eats from the chain meter which goes down. With Ouroboros order you can get a 4th turn.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 12, 2022, 08:53:28 PM
I wish there was a way to skip chain attack animations. Like you wanna continue them for as long as possible to get the most exp, but like omg, especially the ouroboros finishers.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2022, 09:34:41 PM
I wish there was a way to skip chain attack animations. Like you wanna continue them for as long as possible to get the most exp, but like omg, especially the ouroboros finishers.

Yeah, I said exactly that above  :lol

It's kind of blatantly crazy they have no way to skip them, especially the ouroboros ones considering how often you see them and they take up half the time of the battle encounter.

Sometimes the battle system feels like a jrpg battle system and more a chess-like chain attack battle system since you spend so much of real fights in chain attack menu doing the chain attack mini-game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 12, 2022, 09:35:27 PM
Some of the cutscenes are kinda long. Especially when they're not giving new info and just the characters processing stuff the viewers already figured out.

These cutscenes at the end of ch.4 are fucking longggg.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 12, 2022, 10:50:57 PM
There's no way I'm hunting mushrooms and chickens almost 30 hours in

This game is trash
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 13, 2022, 09:51:58 AM
I do like the whole marked enemies thing. It’s like the game telling you “fight these at least so you don’t have to grind”. More JRPGs should do that.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 11:43:54 AM
The forest area is awesome, also playing on hard makes the battles more interesting for sure.
Items, arts, buffs, debuffs, gems etc. actually all matter now and it's no longer an auto-win if you're just a higher level.

I got absolutely wrecked by lvl 34 goats being level 42 until I switched around some things.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2022, 12:22:57 AM
Every chapter or so I go back to each colony I've liberated to see if there's anything new and I'm impressed by the amount of sidequests and table talks. At first I was kinda anti-colonies and wanted real bustling towns, but there's a ton of side content in each colony that really develops them and the characters out.

I feel like to like XB3 you gotta get to the point where you enjoy the world. Enjoy exploring around and seeing how its all connected, enjoy all the NPCs and their sidequests, etc...

I'm in ch.5 but since I did that 10 level jump to lvl.54, I'm going back through each map again and clearing out the 40-55 areas I couldn't before. Plus checking on each colony again. At some point will start on the ch.5 area proper. Like 55 hours in now or something.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2022, 06:11:30 AM
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Enjoy exploring around and seeing how its all connected, enjoy all the NPCs and their sidequests, etc...
One of the great things is the incredible vista's. When you end up at the end of a region and you can see the colony or field where you started.
Really giving you that sense of progression, thinking: "Wow, I traveled all that"

Even though it looks like you can't go to the areas in the background, that's where you eventually end up.


I think I'm about at the end of Chapter 4 or at least the woods area.
This Gundam fight was fucking epic  :whew
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2022, 05:15:50 PM
The lvl.41ish area (optional?) in the upper left of Fornis through the cave at the beginning on the west side is massive. Been filling out the map there last night and this morning.

The secret area
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Fingertip
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Was cool.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 14, 2022, 05:35:10 PM
Started Chapter 5

Seriously when does this game start

Like nothing has STILL happened. My characters are STILL clueless. The "villains" are STILL being vague and dumb

Helloooooooooooooo

Where's my Zanza moment, where's my oh shit moment

I thought the whole Castle sequence would lead up to that, but literally NOTHING happens and I'm left holding the ball yet again
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
I get the feeling that they changed a couple things during development.

The colonies probably expanded like the city in X in an earlier version of the game. The buildings all have this pre-built look and it feels like there was supposed to be more to it than just serving as somewhat bigger inns basically. There's also all this talk about growing food and colonies having different uses as well as competing with eachother. None of which is in the game. There's also the Flame clocks that serve no real purpose but are displayed for each colony in the UI before you destroy them. The money you collect also seems excessive for the things that are for sale (which as far as I can tell is the limited number of accessoires and items from the stores as well as activating the Fabricator to get a random item drop). So my theory is that you could maybe invest money in the colonies and they were supposed to actually fight eachother so their flame clock ratings would change. XB2 was very stingy with money but as it stands in XB3 I have a million plus in the bank and the most expensive item is 5000 credits.

As for the story, I'm about to enter the castle. Did a little detour to unlock another great character. However, again I get the feeling that they moved some things around to remove branching paths maybe?
There's a couple of moments where the characters decide on routes in cutscenes but also Nopon that say different things if you passed through certain areas.

In the game an alternative route to your objective is available in the early regions and those usually do lead to additional (Hero) quests or colonies.
However, at the end of what seemed to have been an alternative route to the next story area is usually a simple barricade like a cave in or giant door.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 14, 2022, 10:55:56 PM
Yeah, it does feel like a lot was cut from the game. Torna was originally cut content from XB2 so maybe the DLC is going to be another big game like that.

I don't see the point of having colony affinity, or the colonies themselves. I wish there was half as many of them and 3 or 4 big cities instead. Or a city building quest like Colony 6 from the original game.

I'm now just working on building a superboss killing party and getting ready for the challenge battle DLC.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 14, 2022, 11:06:45 PM
Well at least you get the Robo-building quest in Colony 30.

I disagree at least where I'm at that the game could've used fewer colonies. The colonies are the best part of the game imo. Having tons of them and having them be really varied is pretty important to making it work. The colony affiliation on the map is pointless though yeah. Some of the best characters in the game are NPCs in certain colonies.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 16, 2022, 02:44:35 AM
I like some of the world building that's understated through the environment.

Like in the area where the ch.4 main boss battle is there's this optional bridge that's around lvl.48 and the bridge has Agnes and Keeves camps on each side as their squaring off with each other over the bridge. And each side has a giant unique boss. Pretty cool. Just wish big bosses paid out better xp/cp if you're overleveled for them. Lvl.55 now so the fights are pretty fun and intense but not getting much.

I've now 100% mapped out every area to the start of ch.5. I kinda wish it was like Star Ocean with a map % and rewards for map % clear. I'm OCD about uncovering every inch of the map for a clean map. Went back around every colony and picked up some more quests. Have about 10 new ones to do before I start on ch.5.

Found a couple of interesting things in the maps that seem like blocked off paths until later in the game. Hmmm...

*edit* actually scratch that. I haven't done lower Maktha since it's like lvl.76.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2022, 07:24:32 AM
Yeah there's a lot to find in the world. They said there was about a 5 times more walkable land in XB3 than 2 and I'm starting to believe it.  :doge
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 12:22:12 PM
Completed the castle.

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Melia is a robot?! But her spirit is still out there?  :thinking
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Demi has a point though, 50 hours in and you still don't know what the hell is going on in this game  :lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:20:18 PM
Made it to the Sword and the
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City

The city is huge  :o
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Who wants to know how babies are made :exxy
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Finally I know what is going on after 54 hours, somewhat. :rejoice
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 19, 2022, 08:59:07 PM
Nah, you dont, the game pulls a complete asspull move and then the story makes absolutely zero sense. I hate this game, its non canon.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 19, 2022, 09:22:53 PM
hahaha, oh boy. Will be interesting.

I kind got bored of the game while questing before starting the ch.5 area. One of these days will get back in the mood and get back to it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 20, 2022, 12:17:34 PM
My game has crashed at least 10 times now, this game is fucking indie level trash
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2022, 02:08:31 PM
I like this a lot, but I'm surprised the poll on Era for which XB is the best has 3 winning by an insane margin over 1/2/X. Figured 1 would be ahead. The story in XB3 would have to get amazingly good in the back half to beat XB1 for me.

Really seems like a lot of people jumped on with XB3 as their first Xeno~ game. Either that or XB2 and this is their 2nd and an improvement over that.


Anyhow, since this is good, but not amazing, and Soul Hackers 2 sounds weak, and there's no new FF/DQ/KH this year, I guess Elden Ring gonna be the best new rpg in 2022? Hope some of the 2023 rpgs like FF16, Baldur's Gate 3 will deliver more.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 20, 2022, 05:46:10 PM
I don’t like this game at all and am very surprised it’s so praised. This is a very stale and mediocre game. But then again I’ve learned that weebs have terrible taste.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2022, 06:20:34 PM
But then again I’ve learned that weebs have terrible taste.

Also the flavor of the month.
I remember when SMTV came out people wouldn't shut up for the first two months about how it's the best jrpg ever and Switch is the jrpg king, etc..etc...

Now after the initial hype, most people call SMTV disappointing.

I also remember that people fucking LOVED Xenoblade 2. I always felt like an outcast not liking that one. But then I think it was a lot of people's (who never own non-Nintendo platforms) first real big rpg and they were blown away. But yeah, now everyone talks shit on XB2.

I really think from the first half of XB3 that it'll be seen as an ok entry. Better than 2 and X, but not as good as XB1.


Hell, for the last 4 months we had nothing but ELDEN RING IS THE GREATEST RPG OF ALL TIME. And now finally people are starting to get more critical of it and see it as a really good game, but with its own flaws. People get so into the flavor of the month game online.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2022, 06:53:00 PM
XB3 has been consistently great for me.

XB1 has better pacing and maybe a better story (I won't know until I've finished XB3 though) but pretty much everything else is better in XB3.
The characters, the maps, the (side)quests etc. .

However, some of the games concepts are held back by the hardware limitations.
The "war" is just never as big as it should be and the interactivity in the world hasn't changed much since XB1.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2022, 07:03:10 PM
I think XB1 has better combat, story, characters, consistent world progression and I prefer XB1's music though the XB3 tracks are very good (they just don't have as much impact since so much are just for optional areas you walk through vs parts of the story journey).

XB3 has better sidequests so far.

Also I kind of hate how it defaults to morning every time you fast travel. If you are always fast traveling around you don't see the night stuff or hear the night music much. The default should be not changing the time of day from where you are fast traveling from.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 21, 2022, 03:39:36 AM
I think the only thing 1 does better than this game is the world and story. I think the gameplay, customization and progression systems are super good. I beat the main story ages ago and am enjoying just grinding and building up my characters for the tough enemies just as much.

2 was bad when it came out, bad today and will always be bad. I'm really glad they were able to course correct with 3.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 21, 2022, 05:07:27 PM
Finished the game! What an absolute waste of fucking time that was! Thank you for completely ruining the series, Takahashi! Based!
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on August 21, 2022, 05:35:22 PM
Opinions are all over the place in here!  At this point all the Xenos are on the shelf for me- gonna try Soul Hackers 2 instead.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 21, 2022, 06:19:43 PM
The class system in this game of obnoxiously grindy.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 21, 2022, 06:45:04 PM
The class system in this game of obnoxiously grindy.

It's fucked in the leveling scaling.

For about 10-15 hours of the story where my levels had caught up to the area level enemies in the Makth Forest and the Hovering Reefs/Castle, I was unlocking classes with my other team members so fast because I'd fight most enemies I'd aggro on the way and get like 30 CP per fight.

But the last week or so while I've been running around doing side stuff before starting ch.5 and being way overleveled (57 party right now and these quests are all 30-48), I get like 3CP a fight and I've been running with two characters as the latest Iota commander attacker job for like 10 hours and everyone else is maybe 5%-10% towards unlocking it.

Basically feels like I'm not gonna be able to unlock any more jobs for the non-inherited character until I get to endgame.

What's extremely stupid is if they didn't lock the classes with the other characters then you could at least get around this by using silver nopon coins to level the jobs. But you have to unlock them first and that requires a good chunk of CP while someone in your party is running that and/or the hero is in your party as well and if you're overleveled that takes forever.

Otherwise there's no downside to being overleveled besides just lack of challenge which you can adjust slightly by changing the difficulty to hard. Hard should payout better CP or something.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 21, 2022, 06:45:19 PM
Opinions are all over the place in here!  At this point all the Xenos are on the shelf for me- gonna try Soul Hackers 2 instead.

 :lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 21, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Like to show how non-balanced the class learning is.

Can go 10 hours and not unlock a class at 3CP per fight.
Then turn difficulty to easy and go fight a blue enemy 3-5 levels above you and finish with a chain attack overkill for +500% XP/CP bonus (on top of the 300% for blue, so 800% total) and get 1,000 CP in a 4 min fight and unlock the class on every character as well as every character gaining like 5 job rank levels from that one battle.

Like it's easy to do the latter, but it's just a dumb design.


Anyhow, finished up all the pre-ch.5 subquests finally. Gonna start on that new area now.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on August 21, 2022, 10:22:45 PM
Opinions are all over the place in here!  At this point all the Xenos are on the shelf for me- gonna try Soul Hackers 2 instead.

 :lol

It's pretty much because I'm spending any gaming time I have on the Steam Deck right now- I haven't played XBC3 at all yet.  I'll come back to this series later on.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 21, 2022, 11:51:06 PM
Xeno games have been out well before Steam Deck, not much of an excuse
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on August 22, 2022, 07:34:34 AM
Xeno games have been out well before Steam Deck, not much of an excuse


I put some time into XBC1- just don't know if I want to continue on with it or just jump to 2 or 3.  Not big on the battle system in the first game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: mormapope on August 22, 2022, 08:41:15 AM
I'm about 13 hours in, taking my time, I'm around the end of chapter 2. The cast of characters and setting/lore in general is getting me erect and emotional. Combat is very satisfying mechanically.

If this game clicks for you, its a super banger. Xenoblade Chronicles 1 did not click for me, the cast and plot felt really really plain. Haven't played 2 yet.

Spoilers in this video
https://youtu.be/iRW0kqArbI8

This sequence was incredibly dope.  :-*
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2022, 09:24:18 AM
You're in for a treat, I'm in chapter 5 now and the game goes that hard at least once every chapter. :rejoice
I often wonder how they keep up the pace but then they throw in another cool character, existential crisis, mecha's, animu nonsense, epic music and bigger and bigger explosions. :cruise
They went balls out with all these cutscenes.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 22, 2022, 11:53:29 AM
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when I read the praise for this game.








Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 22, 2022, 11:58:27 AM
Without going too hard into spoilers, this game should not be called "Xenoblade Chronicles 3"

Call it literally anything else, idk
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2022, 01:26:07 PM
Yeah, I'm just treating it as an original IP jrpg with its own world and cast.

Doesn't seem like much connection to XB1/2/X.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 22, 2022, 02:05:39 PM
Does it need connections?

I mean before 2 came out and revealed it did have a connection, I figured Xenoblade would just be the title for this style of Monolith game. Either way the connections are pretty pointless if you ask me.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 22, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
You're right - which is why Xenoblade 3 story is dogshit for it. Xenoblade X-3 complete with Tidus Blitzball
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 22, 2022, 03:05:24 PM
But...I like FFX-2 a lot?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 22, 2022, 03:28:15 PM
That's a different game/story, not sure what that has to do with this

You're still on Chapter 5 you haven't even got to the dumb asspull shit  yet lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2022, 03:48:43 AM
At the city.

I don't remember if XB1/2 had the weird distancing jumping where instead of one environment leading directly to the next, you step through the end of one environment and suddenly skip like 50 miles of environment to the next area. It's a bit jarring.

Like when you leave Maktha and the castle is in the distance and then suddenly you're like 50 feet from it at Hovering Reefs entrance.

Also the game has been bizarrely linear after Fornis region. It's like FF13 in reverse where the game opened with this giant epic open area in Fornis with all these sub-areas and all these incredible views seeing across it and then it's all focused linear maps. Is Fornis the only big open region in the entire game? If so they kind of blow their wad real early there.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 23, 2022, 03:58:44 AM
There is more yet
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2022, 05:17:16 AM
There is more yet

This sea thing is cool but holy fuck the amount of fog of war you clear on the map is awful.

The amount of work to fully map out this region 100% is going to be a fucking full time job. May not bother. Fog of war uncovering really needs to be greatly expanded in

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The boat
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2022, 09:09:01 PM
Yeah, I think I'm burnt out on this at 70 hours. Got a ton of city sidequests to do and that sea region is gonna take forever to fully explore and find everything. It's a bit too big open and unfocused with terrible mapping this far in.

Might just do the main story and finish it up and come back later for the DLC.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 24, 2022, 12:11:04 AM
You don't have to manually uncover all the map. If you find all the locations, the rest of the map fills up. Just go from island to island and eventually it will fill itself.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 12:12:54 AM
You don't have to manually uncover all the map. If you find all the locations, the rest of the map fills up. Just go from island to island and eventually it will fill itself.

WAT
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 12:13:19 AM
Does that apply to every map in the game?

I've been walking along the edges of every map filling them out 100% manually this whole game so far.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 12:14:36 AM
Also can we talk about how the

Ch.5
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boat has terrible controls. Like holy shit is that thing sluggish. Why is Monolithsoft having issues here, they did driving and flying mechs just fine in X?
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 24, 2022, 03:43:50 AM
You don't have to manually uncover all the map. If you find all the locations, the rest of the map fills up. Just go from island to island and eventually it will fill itself.

I sincerely wish you didn't say this. Should've waited with this bombshell till he's done with the game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 24, 2022, 04:07:41 AM
Lolololol, I learned that the hard way with the original Eryth Sea in 2012  :lol :lol :lol :lol

And it works for every map. You'll even get one of the characters saying "We've seen it all!" when you open the map screen.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 24, 2022, 02:02:11 PM
So is this story really about the older generation using and abusing the younger generation? That seems to be it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 24, 2022, 05:24:40 PM
Not really, no
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2022, 06:44:09 PM
This game is about an American exchange student named Sena who visits the UK and joins her new classmates on a cruise to Australia.  :gbcry
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 07:14:17 PM
Sena talks different in the English dub? How does that even make sense given the setting.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on August 24, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
In case this is some kind of spoiler-

It looks characters who are
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Blades or descended from Blades
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speak with an American accent?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 24, 2022, 08:14:41 PM
I see. Yeah that's a spoiler, but not a big deal since the connections are all pretty whatever.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2022, 12:35:43 PM
Holy shit

 :tocry :preach :whew :titus :info :pika

Takahashi da gawd :lawd


So is this story really about the older generation using and abusing the younger generation? That seems to be it.
No, this story is about a furry fetish getting way out of hand
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 27, 2022, 02:03:21 AM
Feels like most people who drop off this do at ch.5, it's like until then there's a story goal to get to a spot and see where the plot/game goes next.

Then nothing much happens and there's a less interesting goal set and a big area and motivation to continue just kinda dies out.

I guess I was hoping when I got to the sword for a big shake up like a new 2nd world map or something interesting.

I'm still playing like 30-60mins a day doing a quest or two, but honestly I'm pretty bored and ready to move on to a new game. There really isn't anything in the story, characters, world, or gameplay keeping my interest at this point. Each chapter just feels more of the same.

Plot better kickoff after this next castle.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: remy on August 27, 2022, 04:52:52 AM
In case this is some kind of spoiler-

It looks characters who are
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Blades or descended from Blades
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speak with an American accent?
Similar to Xeno 2 there.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2022, 07:26:43 AM

Plot better kickoff after this next castle.
If you want to learn more about the plot just head straight for the Agnus castle and the end of chapter 5, the side stuff is there after the castle too plus the sea will be easier to travel with additional fast travel locations.

Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 27, 2022, 03:03:47 PM

Plot better kickoff after this next castle.
If you want to learn more about the plot just head straight for the Agnus castle and the end of chapter 5, the side stuff is there after the castle too plus the sea will be easier to travel with additional fast travel locations.

Eh, it's not that I want to know more about the story. It's that I want a decently motivating goal to be heading towards. Otherwise it's like who gives a fuck about the story, might as well just fuck around doing sidequests and exploring since that's more interesting and fun.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2022, 03:22:26 PM

Plot better kickoff after this next castle.
If you want to learn more about the plot just head straight for the Agnus castle and the end of chapter 5, the side stuff is there after the castle too plus the sea will be easier to travel with additional fast travel locations.

Eh, it's not that I want to know more about the story. It's that I want a decently motivating goal to be heading towards. Otherwise it's like who gives a fuck about the story, might as well just fuck around doing sidequests and exploring since that's more interesting and fun.
Well, after the castle you also get more to explore and do.

Basically at level ~50 head for the castle. Unless you haven't found the pirate yet, then find the pirate first.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 27, 2022, 09:53:10 PM
Soul Hacker blue mage job is interesting, but having to re-fight all the unique's you've fought is kinda ehhhh.

This game definitely is pretty grind for some of the optional stuff. Still haven't finished the quest that needs 15 rare agnus mech drops. Even with food to boost drop rate takes forever.


Plot better kickoff after this next castle.
If you want to learn more about the plot just head straight for the Agnus castle and the end of chapter 5, the side stuff is there after the castle too plus the sea will be easier to travel with additional fast travel locations.

Eh, it's not that I want to know more about the story. It's that I want a decently motivating goal to be heading towards. Otherwise it's like who gives a fuck about the story, might as well just fuck around doing sidequests and exploring since that's more interesting and fun.
Well, after the castle you also get more to explore and do.

Basically at level ~50 head for the castle. Unless you haven't found the pirate yet, then find the pirate first.

I'm ~lvl.70 now and still have like half the ocean to check out. Is 99 max level?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 27, 2022, 10:41:01 PM
Not only do you have to re-fight all the unique monsters, but you need a Soulhacker in your party. I fucking hate that class. Maybe one day I'll build it up, but for now, I'm focusing on ascension quests and making Sena have 99% crit rate.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2022, 05:23:59 AM
Played like 7 hours straight tonight and got back into it. Over half the sea done. Might finish up the chapter tomorrow.

I feel like XB3 has the weakest/lightest story in a Xeno game ever, but there’s lots of good side stories filling out the world and making the characters and stuff enjoyable.

But goddamn there really is like no story in this game unless the entire thing is backloaded. XB2’s story was meh but at least it had a plot with characters and things moving. XB3 feels more like a wrpg where the main story questline is like 6 hours long and the game is 150 hours of side stuff and exploring. The previous Xenoblade games were definitely not structured like this. Even in XB2 side stuff was just the occasional side thing while going down the main plotline. This is like 90% side stuff with an occasional main plot line advancement.

Also the writing itself is pretty bad in this game. The characters are so stupid and have to have everything spelled out to them in long cutscenes because they are too dumb too figure out anything. Also has the Metal Gear Syndrome where someone says a word and they repeat it as a question. Just really weak stereotypical Japanese game writing in XB3.

A good example of this is Eunie hero story

spoiler (click to show/hide)
like they can’t figure out that moebius destroys the gold ranks and need a five minute cutscene of X explaining it to them and the party is continually shocked at these revelations. This happens over and over the entire game. I wish these kids weren’t so brain dead.
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Enjoyed Gray’s hero story.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2022, 06:24:49 AM
What they don't explain very well is that these kids are really dumb, because all they've been trained for is fighting and their specific tasks or roles.
Enemies and friends (especially from the city) often make comments about how stupid they are. This is also why they have 'discussions' to put one and two together.

As for the pacing, it seems to be up to the player on how you play it.
From what I can tell the optimal way to play is to not 100% grind through every area from the get go but progress through the story and unlock the heroes first and return later for the areas with higher level requirements.
And then it basically goes like this story wise:
Ch1: lvl 01 - 10
Ch2: lvl 10 - 20
Ch3: lvl 20 - 30
Ch4: lvl 30 - 40
Ch5: lvl 40 - 50
etc.

I'm used to 90's Square RPG's and Zelda's too, where I first need to 'complete' an area before moving on to the next one, but that is not how these type of single player MMO games work.
This basically gives you the option to do a ton of sidequests and grind, mix it up a little or just follow the story and ignore all the side quests.
Outside of a few strong enemies I haven't seen anything that would stop you from progressing the story in XB3 compared to all the progress blocks built into XB2.
In XB2 you needed to summon a certain type of blade or unlock a certain skill, basically forcing the player to do side stuff to level-up and unlock field skills.

What I miss most is the ability to put markers on the map so I can return later to fight stronger monsters or explore paths I might've missed.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 28, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
The writing on the ascension quests is all over the place. Some of them are completely DUMB AS HELL and incredibly boring, but others are quite good.

Zeon
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This one is so bad and miserable. You just have to go from cutscene to cutscene to talk about fucking potatoes. It's really endless. I ended up skipping all the cutscenes.
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Ashera
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I really loved this one. Ties into a lot of the worldbuilding stuff, especially with Eunie's storyline. Nice conclusion as well and explains the reason why Ashera behaves the way she does.
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Ghondor
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Again, so fucking dumb. What a horrible character. I skipped all the cutscenes.
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Gray
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Very good story. Probably should have been part of the main quest. Loved getting more details on how The City's politics work and their factions and internal struggles. Am not a fan of him taking off his mask and eyepatch though, wish he kept it.
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2022, 10:36:11 AM
Wait, they all have ascension quests? I thought it was just the starter classes.

Just how big is this game  :pika
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 28, 2022, 11:19:45 AM
This game is too long and too Grundy. I’m just going to rush to the ending at this point. I’m at 65 hours and don’t want to spend 30 more hours doing the hero quests for every character.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2022, 02:55:47 PM
Wait, they all have ascension quests? I thought it was just the starter classes.

How else do you think you'd get the classes to 20? lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on August 28, 2022, 09:18:54 PM
If you click on the hero in the hero roster menu, it tells you which quest or which location to start their ascension quest. It's some of my favourite content in the game and super nice to get some of the crazier classes to rank 20. Mixing the crit chance skills from Swordfighter with the damage increase from Thaumaturge and the crit damage from Incurser. Sena hits so hard and so fast but draws more aggro than all characters combined and immediately dies. I love it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2022, 09:51:23 PM
Yeah, at the prison camp, 78 hours in, lvl.75 party, having done pretty much everything 100%, you ask me what is the best part of XB3 it's not even a question, it's the sidequests.

The sidequests are fun stories that most importantly fill out the world map they've created and give actual NPCs and characters and stories to the setting which otherwise the main quest sorely lacks.

Without sidequests, XB3 would be a dreadful game. But there are tons and tons of sidequests thankfully and they make the game work. The ascension quests are just bigger production sidequests that are a bit longer, fully voiced, and tend to take you to a new area. So they take what's already a good thing with the sidequests and just are even better sidequests (mostly). Plus they unlock extra gameplay stuff on top of it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 29, 2022, 01:24:28 AM
The cutscenes at the end of the prison camp were like an hour long holy shit I should've made a sandwich instead of watching this.

This game really needs shorter cutscenes. We're back to Xenosaga Ep1 cutscene length except without the good story/writing.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 04:51:41 AM
It was a lot to take in but I thought it was really awesome

chapter 5 ending spoilers
The M/Mio Switch is certainly something I didn't see coming. Plus all the alternate endings of Noah's path. Mio giving birth, her death, his own death while holding the hand of his kid... emotional rollercoaster.
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chapter 5 ending spoilers + XB1 ending spoilers
The only thing that felt lacking is that there's no consequence of Mio switching bodies. I thought she would get an artificial body like Fiona did in XB1 or that she had to keep killing to keep her Mobius body from decaying. But the only change is her haircut and receiving M's memories.  :doge
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early chapter 6 spoilers
What is very confusing is the timespan everything takes place in though. Noah is shown the place where the original city was that N destroyed and that seemed to have happened generations ago.

Ghondor gets the Cloudkeep key from Nia before she goes to sleep however but Ghondor isn't that old so Nia must've gone to sleep at best a few years prior to Noah reaching Swordmarch. So Nia was working with Moebius all this time or already fighting Keves before Moebius took over? I guess I figure that out once I find Nia. 
:idont
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For me after chapter 5 the game has surpassed Xenoblade 1 for the time being. I don't mind the cut scenes either, they're well directed with beautiful music and visually the best thing I've ever seen on a Switch.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 29, 2022, 12:37:52 PM
Yeah, in ch.6 proper now. That was like 4 hours of cutscenes jeez. A lot of it was good, but some of it dragged hard like the prison camp fight. Also the writing is a mix of good and people acting anime stupid.

At least there's more of a story now. Seems like the majority of XB3's story is the backstories of everyone. The main plot like XB1-3 is pretty simple and straightforward shounen action. That's basically what separates Xenoblade series from earlier Xeno stories, straight forward plots instead of mysterious plots with lots of twists and turns.

Except X, X had no plot so kinda hard to tell.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on August 29, 2022, 12:47:01 PM
It only gets worse, don't worry
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2022, 12:23:13 AM
Chapter 6

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It's a shame the Agnian castle is such a tiny nothing area.

Has the best city/town theme in the game so far, similar to the XB2 holy flying city. Wish Agnian castle was more like The City in size.
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2022, 01:32:24 AM
I think in general though this might be the best Xenoblade OST but used the worst. There's so many great tracks on their own, but it just seems so random how they're used.

Like the desert sub-area day theme early on in Fornis is all menacing and stuff like it'd be good for a major serious story area instead of an optional pretty plain desert.

Also this game has the worst audio mixing I've ever heard in a game. During cutscenes, at least with JPN VA track, the music at times is like 10x louder than the voices/sound effects and drowns everything out. It's totally bizarre.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2022, 02:38:34 AM
Also the city track is a Nier b-side  :lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 30, 2022, 01:41:31 PM
I feel like this final dungeon is like 10 hours itself.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 01:50:40 PM
Also the city track is a Nier b-side  :lol
yeah lot of NIER vibes in this game overall
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: mormapope on August 30, 2022, 01:58:37 PM
Nearing 20 hours, still in early chapter 3. It's hard for me to tell what is side content vs. Main quest stuff. Feels more like Rockstar open world mission points vs. traditional  JRPG progression.

Game is pretty good, a lot of that does hinge on vibing with the characters and tone of the game I'd say. Gameplay is repetitive but very satisfying/addictive.

Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on August 30, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
I feel like this final dungeon is like 10 hours itself.

Fwiw, in ch.5 I switched the difficulty to easy and am running around 20-30 levels above everything and it's honestly made the gameplay-side much more enjoyable since normal fights kill enemies in the first 3 hits and everything blue/unique/story still takes a bit but goes pretty quick. Plus you can fight stuff way over your level and get great xp/cp payout. I'm lvl.75 party and was taking on lvl.85 blue enemies and gaining like 1,200 CP per fight.

I also never bother with chain attacks and sitting through them unless I'm fighting something that's gonna pay out like 100+CP so I wanna get that 800% modifier on the overkill. It's nice not needing the damage and so I don't have to sit through the same long animations a million times.

I've got no shame about it. I'm not a huge fan of the battle system (it's decent at best) and I don't want to spend the time to micro-manage min-max all the accessories/arts/skills/gems every time I change jobs, so this makes it a lot more fun. Maybe after I have everyone mastered every job to rank 20 and I can stop switching jobs every 20 mins and can actually just sit down and plan out an efficient team it'll be fun to turn the difficulty up to hard and challenge myself. But for now I'm good.

Really enjoying the street fighter Ryu job. Just dragon punching the shit out of everything in my way.

One of the issues I still have with the battle system that seems dumb by design is if I play as an attacker job like that and run up and start off with my arts, if I'm fighting an enemy that doesn't die in 5 seconds the next thing that happens is they kill my Noah because the tank AI is too late to come in and try to grab the aggro off my initial attacks. Even with the gems that are like START BATTLE WITH ALL AGGRO. It really seems like a flaw in the system that you can't tell your team to attack an enemy without your controlled character starting the fight and your controlled character starting the fight means you always start with aggro which is bad when you're not a defender. You should just be able to hit start fight button and then your AI tank grabs aggro and the fight begins.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2022, 12:49:48 AM
Ok at 88 hours finally finished.

It was pretty bad. One of the lamest games I’ve played with a pretty awful story. Very confused by this one.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2022, 12:56:03 AM
At least by this point you know what you're getting into with the next one and can skip it and save 80+ hours better spent on other rpgs you'd enjoy more.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2022, 02:10:55 PM
We all know I will play a Xenoblade 4.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on September 01, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
Xenoblade 1 & 2 are great, why would I skip 4 because 3rd completely piss and shit all over the series? Xenosaga had it's own issues but people still cum over the third game

Also you only spend 80+hrs on the bullshit garbage sidequests and filing the map. The game literally lets you get free levels at the camp, why bother doing the bullshit

My endgame time was like 50 hours
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2022, 02:53:52 PM
If you don’t do the Hero stuff you have like no game it seems.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2022, 03:59:14 PM
Xenoblade 1 & 2 are great, why would I skip 4 because 3rd completely piss and shit all over the series? Xenosaga had it's own issues but people still cum over the third game

Also you only spend 80+hrs on the bullshit garbage sidequests and filing the map. The game literally lets you get free levels at the camp, why bother doing the bullshit

My endgame time was like 50 hours

I think XB2 does a few things better, but even where I am in ch.6 XB3 is a much better game than XB2.

The cast in XB2 was way shittier, the combat was even worse, the blade gacha and field skills and blade leveling was more of a grind than anything in XB3.
The story may have been better (can't tell yet), and the world is way more interesting looking to explore, and pacing is probably better.
Music in XB2/3 are probably about on par and game balance is total shit in both of them.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on September 01, 2022, 05:49:45 PM
If you don’t do the Hero stuff you have like no game it seems.

The hero stuff is dumb as dirt, and there's no benefit to getting Level 20 lol

Just more frivolous shit, did I mention I hate job systems
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2022, 06:01:55 PM
If you don’t do the Hero stuff you have like no game it seems.
Just more frivolous shit, did I mention I hate job systems

All of them or just XB3?

Because I like good job systems like FF5 or even FF3, but XB3's job system is pretty sucky.

The main benefit of getting to rank 20 is just because your stats get better each rank so the jobs get stronger. The cross-skills/arts are like 80% useless because of the way it's set up. Also it adds some combat variety switching up your party's jobs regularly.

But yeah, XB3's job system sucks. If the game didn't have it, it wouldn't be any worse and would potentially be better depending on how they did it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2022, 06:30:04 PM
A job system like Zodiac Age would have been great.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2022, 06:39:26 PM
Also Demi, if you skipped most of the sidequests you basically missed the best content in the game. XB3 has great sidequests and dozens and dozens of them. They're the main content to fill out these otherwise huge and empty maps & towns since the story just blows through the maps.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on September 01, 2022, 06:50:20 PM
Majority of the quests were back and forth, growing potatoes, killing bad guy, the end

I doubt I missed anything that would help fill in the gaps of the awful story
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2022, 05:01:29 PM
Majority of the quests were back and forth, growing potatoes, killing bad guy, the end

I doubt I missed anything that would help fill in the gaps of the awful story

It's more about the character development for the main cast and NPCs.

I'm running around in ch.6 having picked up another 20 or something sidequests like I pick up every chapter and going around doing them the game is a 9/10 right now and I really like it. Whenever I get back to the main story I definitely enjoy the game less. The sidequesting is just a whole ton of slice of life episodes about the people in this world which develops the world.

It also helps when you've mapped everything out so you can just fast travel spot to spot on sidequests (though whole hitting start to go to the nearest fast travel point for the next objective is one of the few smart QoL features in XB3). So the sidequests are short and painless (unless they need you to grind mats) and just fun stories.

For the DLCs coming up before the expansion, rather than adding new heroes with their questline I'd honestly rather have quest packs of just adding like 20 new standard quests from random NPCs every few months. The hero quests might be fun, but it'll be like a 30 min pick up the game and go do 1-2 quests and then nothing until the next drop.


I'm pretty curious what the DLC expansion will be like this time around. Torna was like 50% XB2's gameplay systems and 50% its own thing. XB3 incorporates a bunch from Torna (not to mention Agnes is like entirely the Torna aesthetic) for instance.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2022, 05:17:29 PM
The teaser graphic for the Expansion Pass DLC is the 3 Xenoblade Swords and they will add 2 new Heroes and quests to the main game.
My guess would be that they add another 2 colonies. I bet the 1st new Hero is a character that relates to Xenoblade 1 and the second character is tied to Xenoblade 2.

(https://images.nintendolife.com/cfdc9b033683d/screenshot-2022-06-22-at-15-24-06.large.jpg)
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 01:43:16 PM
Man this game is just like NIER sometimes punching you in the dick literally, destroying all your hopes and dreams in the process :tocry
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 06:09:47 AM
Anyway, seems like the first time in a long while I have to go side-question because I'm not strong enough to beat a boss.

ch 6. spoiler
The D+J fight in the cloudkeep. Although my strategy was faulty too, having Mio and Noah as tanks, so when they Interlink all the defense is gone.

Hopefully they pull some Dragonball shit with Nia  :cry
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 04, 2022, 04:56:09 PM
I've been a fan of the Xeno games since I was 13 when I played Gears after watching Eva. The perfect age for this shit to leave an impact on me. After that I played the Saga games and while not my favorites I still found them interesting. They were a little pretentious and could fall under the weight of their waxing of philosophy, but hey robots.

I liked Xenoblade 1 because it came at the right time and felt like a jrpg that felt modern, yet still contained a very genuine jrpg feeling.

I did not like Xenoblade 2 as I felt its aesthetics were all over the place, the world was unimaginative and smaller, and the harem romance was pathetic.

I was cautious for Xenoblade 3 because its aesthetics were also not to my liking. Now to be fair, I do not think this game has the same level of garbage as 2.

No my problems with it are I think the story is very bad and the game as a whole is very stale.

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I've seen a lot of praise for the story and characters. Quite frankly, this confuses me. What story? What characters? The cast in this game is likable yes, but largely irrelevant. Take out everyone save Mio and Noah and nothing is really lost. Most of the cast has no real importance. They have character arcs I guess, but they are the most thinly written and so whatever that it's nothing to talk about. Also, they aren't woven through the narrative well, to the point I wonder if they exist. If they do exists they can probably be summed up as "character learns to be less..." insert negative trait". Glasses dude in accordance to his "I'm the stand-offish glasses dude" character design I guess warms up, and becomes less stand offish. The big dude who is rough becomes less rough and warms up. None of this is compelling, it's all very one note. It's not done interestingly. It's not interwoven into the plot. When I think Tales games integrate the characters into the actual story better, you've fucked up. And they do. When the traitor character has a change of heart, it's usually tied to the plot, and their character development impacts or is impacted by the plot. Here I'm not even sure the characters did anything beyond spouting the same nonsense about "the world needs to change or whatever". Senna had some "this is all a façade" development that quickly fell by the wayside and felt more like the game stopped at a gas station for a second, before quickly carrying on. These characters are personable, but there's no real character here and nothing to really latch on to and feel like anything happen. That's what all the "character stories" feel like. They all feel like the game stops for a second for the character to pontificate before moving on. Like it pauses and the story stops for a second, but then again what story?

At no point for me did this premise feel earned. What I mean is at no point did it make any sense. The story feels like a loose connection of crazy ideas that offer no synergy or anything.

So our characters are involved in some forever war that quite honestly makes no sense. If the story is about not being afraid of change and life must go on, then the war is so poorly woven into that theme. It's not like you get a real feel for the mundane as honestly, this part doesn't last long. I would figure a story that wants to use this premise in its theme would focus initially on how mundane and routine it all is. You'd also have the characters further represent that mundane routine. Sadly, it also comes off as pretty silly. None of the characters feel like soldiers or talk like them.  Making it hard to connect from the get-go. They are anime teens and not even written convincingly to help sell the reality of the story. The world doesn't feel stagnant and I never feel like it conveys anything like this, beyond the war giving the impression it's one of manipulation. But even dramas like even the recent anime 86, do things outside in the world building to make it creepy, to sell the feeling. Here I guess you have dumb-looking villains come in and say lame evil dialogue. It's not engaging.

Then the teens are given a call to adventure and that's fine. I love the first battle theme. It feels like this youthful adventure for answers. You're on a journey to the city. It feels like a YA novel, but YA novels have trials and tribulations between the characters. That doesn't happen. Honestly, this is a rather painless journey. A good jrpg would have had little "morality plays" or "character episodes" for the cast to have some trails and chances for growth along the way. I guess the side quests are supposed to fill that whole, but rarely did I feel they offered anything of substance.

Then a friend that was dead come back and taunts you with "oh you don't understand hahahah". There's some talk of despair or whatever. It's all lame shit, we've all seen before. The story has no energy or pace with it.

Then Not Noah shows up and is hammy and lame in his villainy. There's a dumb cutscene between two elite characters I don't care about and why should I care about any of this?  I didn't feel like there's a story that is building to things and using actual storytelling to do anything here. We find the Queens are fake(surprise not really as we already know this whole thing is wrong) and that everyone are clones.  I guess the clones are an interesting aspect If the story hammered the themes of an older generation wanting to manipulate the younger. Then I can connect to the themes and what the plot is putting out. See where some of these story mechanics fit. As the villains( the consuls) are always presented as being older and watching from afar almost as if the war is entertainment. The whole flame clock thing reminded me of points in a multiplayer game. So I could see the story being somewhat meta. This clone war is just mindless fun for these frankly lame villains. The young people are shit out and put through the wringer by the people in charge. Ok that's something.  But thats not really what the story leans into. Instead, it becomes this typical don't be afraid of change. Yes, that subtext is still kind of there., but the story wants to focus on something else that to me makes no sense with the premise it started with.

What the fuck does a forever war powered by teen clones connect to let's keep the status quo? If someone could create a world they could change why would it be something like this?

In the Matrix the reveal and function of the world are believable. It makes sense they would create a 90s world for humanity. It works with the themes of control and the nature of reality the movie is about.

In FFX the reveal of the truth is built into the narrative and themes. Death and its inevitability of it are woven into all aspects of the story. From Yuna's character to how cities are built.

What is the battle world's function in the story beyond the flame clock aspect and that Mobius feeds off the lifeforce? What does the forever war do for the themes of the story? And how does the battle world connect to THESE PEOPLE WANT THE WORLD TO STAY THE SAME.

In the Matrix the fake world connects to themes of control. We created a world you would find believable in order to make you submit and since it's a world you'd actually want you do even when knowing the truth.

In FFX, this is the cycle. This is just how our world works and it's comforting in some way, but also maybe the establishment also feels the situation is hopeless and likes that status quo.

in Xb3 we created a forever war to feed off you and I guess the consuls get off on it? Compelling. Like I just don't see how this connects to the overarching plot. Again it just seems like a bunch of ieas just strung together with no crafting of an actual story. Like a writer looking for cool concepts, but not really thinking how they fit in the story they want to tell.




Mostly because to me the story just feels like a hodgepodge of whatever. N and M are revealed to be older versions that have tried to constantly change things before giving up. It's a Madoka twist that doesn't work because I don't care about N and it's so obvious he is wrong and has no point. In the end, he just comes off as whiny and melodramatic.

The whole game feels like it just wants to hit you over the head with emotional drama, but again at no point does it feel earned. Few of these characters and plot points have had anything that builds to these emotional moments. Just playing constant sad music does nothing when none of this is earned. Oh boy N and M had a kid. Ok and? Whats N;

I don't care about Z because he's a lame villain. Fine, he wants the world to stay the same? Why? What's great about this world? It's just battle world and why in any wisdom would someone create this world? "the everlasting now is what makind wants' or whatever the line is falls flat when you've created an unbelievable premise of a world.


Because then it's also that these are two worlds from the previous games merged and I'm like where did this stupid forever war come from? When you read these plots it doesn't sound like a story with a point. How do these all gel together to create a cohesive story and world? What does this reveal do for the story?

I sure don't understand why Melia and Nia are here. Just shallow fan service? A shallow connection. How do these worlds work? What does any of this really mean? What is this story?

If Z is the manifestation of people's desires to stay the same powered by EA Origin, how did that happen and why? To what ends did he create a nonsense world other than I guess to feed on their teen clone army they make. Who came up with this system and why? If you have the memories of XB1 I guess that's the connection, but why not just a mythic forever war built on hate racism as the deception. Not something kind of outlandish that comes off as "epic" for the sake of it.
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This story just came off as a bunch of nonsense with obxnious asspulls and emotional grabs powered by the same sad song over and over. Nothing earned and no real build-up.

As for the gameplay, its whatever. At this point, XB games feel telegraphed to stupidity with complex layers on top to make it complex. For me, every battle was kind of the same. Not much thought behind it. Lacking some of the aspects of XB1 that I like aggressive breaking and toppling. Everything seems so deliberately paced so no player becomes overwhelmed.

The class system was whatever to me. In the end, it felt tedious and grindy for the sake of it. Unlocking jobs only to need to grind more to unlock them for other players is such a waste of time.

The world was boring, I don't remember a single unique or cool thing about it. A far cry from the giant mech god world of one.

As a long time Xeno fan, I just can't believe they've made such a stale game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on September 04, 2022, 05:26:03 PM
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 important plot points ANSWERED
What was the point of the war between Keves and Agnus? It amused Z

Why did Origin only revive people at age 10? Don't think about it too hard

Why do they only live for 10 years? It amused Z

How is there a day and night cycle if time has stopped? Don't think about it too hard

What are Moebius? Amusing

Why can Nia create Ouroboros? Don't think about it too hard

Why can there be only 6 Ouroboros? It amused Z

How did they have the technology to create Origin? Don't think about it too hard

What is the sword of origin? Don't think about it too hard

Why weren't Nopon stored inside Origin? The Nopon's needs are many, don't question it

How can there be a flow if time has stopped? It amused Z

What was the point of off-seeing? It amused Z

Why did the motes change color when off-seeing? Don't think about it too hard

Who is Riku? Riku is Riku, don't think about it too hard

Did Mio just gamble on X cancelling Sena's and Lanz's interlink? Don't think about it too hard

If Joran got revived doesn't that mean D also gets revived and got away with everything? Based

Why do Machina and High Entia suddenly age like Homs? Don't think about it too hard

Why did N abandon his son in the woods? Don't think about it too hard

Why is the hole in the great sword during Melia's flashback? Don't think about it too hard

How did Noah not know that Mio was M if they Interlinked? Don't think about it too hard

How did Noah and M interlink if M is not Ouroboros? Don't think about it too hard

How can Noah dematerialize Lucky 7 if it isn't part of the Cores in Origin? It amused Z

Why wouldn't the worlds immediately collide again after the split? Z is no longer amused

What is the Black Fog? Don't think about it too hard

Why did Moebius have very specific powers when plot convenient? It amused Z

What happened to the City folk? Don't think about it too hard, Gondor decided it's ok to unexist them

How does Future Connected have anything to do with this? Don't think about it too hard

Why was the Fog King a Guldo? Don't think about it too hard

What are the Fog Beasts? Don't think about it too hard

Why did 3 have to be a sequel if it is absolutely pointless as such? Excuse to reuse assets
Who was best girl? Joran
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 04, 2022, 05:37:04 PM
Who the fuck is Z anyway?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 04, 2022, 05:53:58 PM
I’m only in ch.6 but I assume Z stands for

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Zansa
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since he’s the connecting thread across XB1/2 so I’d guess 3 as well?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 04, 2022, 06:17:49 PM
Ok that’s a cool idea.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on September 04, 2022, 06:42:35 PM
Sorry - wrong : )
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 04, 2022, 06:45:28 PM
Sorry - wrong : )

Hmmm, ok. I mean my guess at this point is more of the Zohar/Zansa fuckery that caused the world split in 1/2 to be the cause of the world collide in XB3.

Otherwise my 2nd and 3rd guesses are that this is all a simulation world ala Star Ocean 3 or a Nier Automata-ripoff and its Aliens came to XB world thousands of years later and enslaved humanity in this system. Both would be pretty stupid plots.

So I'm expecting some asspull science nonsense from the XB1/2 Zohar expirements to be the cause of XB3's world because in the end the explanation for everything in every Xeno game is Zohar.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 04, 2022, 07:09:06 PM
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 important plot points ANSWERED
What was the point of the war between Keves and Agnus? It amused Z

Why did Origin only revive people at age 10? Don't think about it too hard

Why do they only live for 10 years? It amused Z

How is there a day and night cycle if time has stopped? Don't think about it too hard

What are Moebius? Amusing

Why can Nia create Ouroboros? Don't think about it too hard

Why can there be only 6 Ouroboros? It amused Z

How did they have the technology to create Origin? Don't think about it too hard

What is the sword of origin? Don't think about it too hard

Why weren't Nopon stored inside Origin? The Nopon's needs are many, don't question it

How can there be a flow if time has stopped? It amused Z

What was the point of off-seeing? It amused Z

Why did the motes change color when off-seeing? Don't think about it too hard

Who is Riku? Riku is Riku, don't think about it too hard

Did Mio just gamble on X cancelling Sena's and Lanz's interlink? Don't think about it too hard

If Joran got revived doesn't that mean D also gets revived and got away with everything? Based

Why do Machina and High Entia suddenly age like Homs? Don't think about it too hard

Why did N abandon his son in the woods? Don't think about it too hard

Why is the hole in the great sword during Melia's flashback? Don't think about it too hard

How did Noah not know that Mio was M if they Interlinked? Don't think about it too hard

How did Noah and M interlink if M is not Ouroboros? Don't think about it too hard

How can Noah dematerialize Lucky 7 if it isn't part of the Cores in Origin? It amused Z

Why wouldn't the worlds immediately collide again after the split? Z is no longer amused

What is the Black Fog? Don't think about it too hard

Why did Moebius have very specific powers when plot convenient? It amused Z

What happened to the City folk? Don't think about it too hard, Gondor decided it's ok to unexist them

How does Future Connected have anything to do with this? Don't think about it too hard

Why was the Fog King a Guldo? Don't think about it too hard

What are the Fog Beasts? Don't think about it too hard

Why did 3 have to be a sequel if it is absolutely pointless as such? Excuse to reuse assets
Who was best girl? Joran
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To keep Aionios running and maintain the endless now, life force kept it going

Because they wanted the main characters to be teenagers

Not explained but likely to keep generations apart without them recognizing people but pushing out the maximum number of people

because Z needs life to continue to maintain the endless now, so he caused a day night cycle

dead individuals who had showed an interest in ensuring the continuation of the war while they were alive in belief that it is the best existence possible, freedom from weakness, or enjoyment of the violence as a form of entertainment

She literally explains exactly how in her cutscene. Was something about using her core as a catalyst in combination with origin metal

Just what they decided, not chosen by Z as Ouroboros are literally one of the few things that Z cannot control

Tora literally built an artificial conduit, a multi dimensional obelisk, and made it his maid, they could probably do this.

Most likely made by melia using origin metal. It doesn’t follow the flow along with Ouroboros as to why it’s so strong.

Nopon never have explanations in any game

Idk what your even saying

It’s atonement. Makes people feel better about the people they lost and people they killed

Just how it’s visualized. The red stuff is life force

That is a mystery yes

Had to stay in disguise, even if they pulled it off they probably would’ve still been captured.

Idk

Another rule of the world Z made

Because his clock ran out while he was in the woods

Mistake in game

They only can view each other’s memories when they are interlinked. They view them like movies, so they can’t really understand them. People get Ouroboros and Interlinking confused. Ouroboros is what the main 6 are, it’s a title. Interlinking is what that robot form.

What? Origin has nothing to do with the weapons, the weapons and Iris are rules that Z made. Apparently you can modify your weapon with Origin and it’ll stay like that even when undrawn.

Because they were rebooted to the exact moment after they collided. Meaning they kinda just pass through each other because them colliding never happened

Showing of where the annihilation effect will happen. As in showing where the two worlds completely merge next. And also being the embodiment of uncertainty, as to why Moebius can’t see in it.

Because the villains have powers

They basically all died, idk what Ghondor was on about about them coming back

Shows the two worlds growing nearer. The fog king was a Guldo from Xb2. The fog is like the fog in xb3, showing where the worlds will collide. Also established Melia as the ruler of the whole new world

Because the two worlds were getting closer

Enemies possessed by uncertainty I guess, I really don’t know

Because it ended the current story. We know what happened to the people of 1 and 2. We know how the fates of the two worlds ended.
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 04, 2022, 07:14:16 PM
I'm almost 100 hours in now and at this point to me XB3 pretty much tied with Elden Ring as best rpg so far in 2022. Though tbf I don't think there's been any other rpgs this year besides Live-a-Live and Soul Hackers 2. Maybe TWEWY2 was this year idk.

I'm pretty satisfied with XB3 as a sprawling jrpg even if the plot goes to shit at this point. Definitely reminds me of PS2 days of Star Ocean 3s and Radiata Stories and Rogue Galaxies as interesting unique rpgs with a ton of flaws.

I'll be there for XB4, I just hope XB4 completely distances itself from XB1-3's stories and is 100% its own thing that just shares the Xenoblade name. XB3 is already stretching it on the connections. Ready to be done with everything related to XB and move on to something entirely new.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 04, 2022, 08:49:24 PM
Someone said Zeon's Ascension quest w/potatoes was an example of a bad one?

Just did that and thought it was great. Probably best farming sidequest in a non-farming game. Someone on the team must really be a farming fan. Lotta good character/world stuff packed in there too.

Could've gone without the 2nd set of 10 potatoes and the troll rain NPC splishsplash borking you 10k each time and failing sometimes  :lol
Those bits were just straight up trolling players. Didn't waste much time though so wasn't a big deal.

The only ascension quest so far I didn't enjoy a good amount was the Colony 30 kid. It was fine, but it was pretty short and nothing compared to the longer ones with more development.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on September 05, 2022, 08:09:13 AM
It was horrible, especially when all you do is fast travel back and forth like 10 times in a row. It was extremely bloated, and there is a followup quest to continue it like. Enough with the goddamn potatoes.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on September 05, 2022, 10:36:01 AM
In the middle of chapter 4, about to raid the castle. Once again, I love the exploration element, but the combat leaves me cold. Even moreso in this one due to there being so much shit on the screen that it's difficult to follow what's going on, even moreso when the game's resolution drops from too much onscreen action and it ends up looking like a ps2 game in terms of image quality. Really hope Monolith moves on after this, or at least radically alters the combat.

Music isn't as good as the others, however the menu screen is a banger - best and most chill menu music since Legend of Dragoon.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 05, 2022, 05:21:23 PM
Can anyone who is British explain innit?

Like it's short for isn't it, but it's often used in sentences where "isn't it" doesn't make any sense like "use some willpower, innit man" and "use some will power, isn't it, man" makes no fucking sense.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
Can anyone who is British explain innit?

Like it's short for isn't it, but it's often used in sentences where "isn't it" doesn't make any sense like "use some willpower, innit man" and "use some will power, isn't it, man" makes no fucking sense.
It can also be a sort of general endorsement or 'I agree', 'you are right' and 'come on'.

So it could be
Xenoblade 3 is great innit / Xenoblade 3 is great isn't it

But also
Xenoblade 3, innit! / Xenoblade 3, awesome!

and
Xenoblade 3 is a great game
Innit! / I agree

It's kinda fun that only because NOA didn't plan to release the first Xenoblade and Nintendo UK decided to do the English localization with local voice actors to save costs, the entire universe is canonically british
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 08, 2022, 02:39:40 AM
I don't think it's kind of fun.

Two and Three have pretty bad voice acting that does not mesh well with the asthetics. Anime teens talking like soccer hooligans is stupid.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 08, 2022, 02:44:03 AM
Y'all play Japanese rpgs with English dubs even when they give you the JP audio track?
I've never even heard what the English voices sound like in XB3. I'm just talking about the non-voiced text.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on September 08, 2022, 04:35:33 AM
I always play dubbed. I even watch my animes dubbed if possible. Sorry weebs, I can't read.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on September 08, 2022, 01:14:38 PM
I play dubbed too. Gotta turn in my weeb card I guess.  :-\
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Svejk on September 08, 2022, 01:53:32 PM
Voice actors have improved greatly since the 80’s and 90’s.  That’s when reading subtitles were cool.  Now, unless it’s cultural specific for immersion, who’s got time to read n’ shit, Especially when there’s action going on. 
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 08, 2022, 02:39:07 PM
I mean you’re still reading as the majority of the lines are non-voiced but whatever floats your boat, innit?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2022, 05:11:35 PM
Y'all play Japanese rpgs with English dubs even when they give you the JP audio track?
I've never even heard what the English voices sound like in XB3. I'm just talking about the non-voiced text.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG6M3dt3yyQ


WOTAH
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: remy on September 08, 2022, 11:43:54 PM
I don't think it's kind of fun.

Two and Three have pretty bad voice acting that does not mesh well with the asthetics. Anime teens talking like soccer hooligans is stupid.
and sounding like the same 4 dumb ass Americans in every game is somehow better?  :lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 08, 2022, 11:57:57 PM
I don't think it's kind of fun.

Two and Three have pretty bad voice acting that does not mesh well with the asthetics. Anime teens talking like soccer hooligans is stupid.
and sounding like the same 4 dumb ass Americans in every game is somehow better?  :lol
Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5dJuAlkzI&t=153s

And is this even true anymore(if it ever was)? The most recent Japanese games I've played(Soul Hackers 2, Babylons Fall, SMTV, FFVIIR, Monark, Triangle Strategy, Live a Live) and so on didn't seem to sound the same.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 09, 2022, 12:46:51 AM
Finished what seems like almost all the side content in the game outside post-game? Got to ch.7. Feels like it's pretty close to the end and just like 2-3 post-game areas and a few post lvl.100 bosses.

The story in this is fucking terrible. It doesn't make a lick of sense. Just total nonsense plot.


I think this game is the best Xenoblade game (including X) but it seems like it has the worst story and that wouldn't be so bad if the cutscenes weren't crazy lengthy, but they are.

Whenever I'm doing side content it's just cool little stories about the people in this messed up world and a really entertaining jrpg with a mediocre battle system and character builds, but whenever I do the main story, especially in the back half it's a pretty bad jrpg that feels grimdark written by & for 12 year olds.


I wish Xenoblade 2/3 was Xenoblade 2's story & world & cities with Xenoblade 3's side content.

Feels like between Xenoblade 1/2/3/X they have all the pieces and they just need to make a damn Xenoblade game that takes the best stuff from each and they'll make a fantastic jrpg.

I'm so tired of them not being able to write villains after XB1. Take D vs Albedo as psychos and it's night & day how hard the writing has fallen. I really don't think Takahashi is hands on with these stories/worlds at this point outside the general plot concept.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 09, 2022, 01:10:58 AM
XB3 is the Alien 3 of XB.

Demi was right about the story. Though I still disagree with him that the game is bad. There are plenty of good jrpgs with trash stories. This just goes in the pile. Elden Ring jrpg of 2022 confirmed.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2022, 02:07:57 PM
The Brit accents actually did put me off Xeno 1 a bit. Good thing I'm ok with subtitles but I very rarely change away from the English dub of a game, even if it's bad.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 10, 2022, 07:59:49 PM
Still at the start of ch.7, but finished exploring the optional lvl.70/80 areas and ended up grinding out the lvl.95-100 area. The only thing I haven't beaten is the lvl.101/102 uniques guarding the chest and the lvl.100+ superbosses spread around. Party is lvl.90 now. Might as well go finish the main story and do the rest in post-game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 11, 2022, 04:22:38 PM
Feel like the end is in sight at this point. Back to enjoying the game after moving on from being disappointed in the main story. I definitely think this is gonna end up being a good jrpg with a bad main story. Probably gonna be an 8/10 for me. Better than XB2/XBX, worse than XB1 (entirely due to XB1 having a good story). I guess it's a good step in the right direction for the team.

Hopefully next time they can make a decent story.


And I was thinking about it and in terms of the DLC expansion, feels like the only leftover plotline they could do would be a jrpg starring the founders of the city and their friends/mentors...aka the statues in the city are the main cast for the expansion. Otherwise the statues are really weird and pointless in this game. If so, I like that one of them looks like a Xenogear's Fei-clone.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Haven't had time to play  :cry

Screenshots of the new DLC  :heart
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcizCsCaMAUkOPR?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcizUo4agAMo2my?format=jpg)


"I don't know Riku, $30 seems expensive"

"Noah should stop complaining and buy swimsuits for friends"

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j1oiIfoBfIQ/sddefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 13, 2022, 05:43:17 PM
Damn, look at the quality of those screenshots. Is it coming for free to the N64 emulator on the expansion pass? I think I recognise that beach from Pokemon Snap.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 14, 2022, 11:13:46 AM
Kinda random but I think the worst gameplay mechanic in XB3 is following tracks. Especially when you have walking speed + 30% and you are basically outrunning the tracks.

That run from Colony 30 on Colony Iota's Ascension Quest was reaaaaally long.


Almost have all colonies at max rank 5. Think I'll get there this week and then finish up the main story over the weekend and fuck around with any post-game next week. Just need to finish this 150 hour jrpg before the 29th when the next 150 hour jrpg (Trails of the Black II import) comes out. Shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 05:24:43 PM
Gray's quest was fun. One of the best Hero characters for sure. The way you 'run' into these quite important quests feels a bit random though.
If you don't mess around the NPC's for a bit after you level up the colonies you will never find them.

Also managed to finish the Cloudkeep fight. That was pretty epic.
Story explained, somewhat. The order of how they explain things is a bit weird though, it's sort like a Babushka doll. When you think you sorta get it they go ackshually...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now to save Melia :heart
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2022, 05:52:47 PM
Btw, this game has the worst quest rewards ever.

Dorrick 10-part collect-a-thon robo-building quest:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
You get absolutely nothing for all that LOL
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Six Noppon quest/Odd shards collecting:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
You get a visual only upgrade for the ultimate weapons, no stat buffs, and the visual upgraded weapon only shows if you have the characters on their default class LOL
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For Dorrick I was really expecting something like building the Erde Kaiser in Xenosaga ep1
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Aka, get a giant robot to summon in battle or something
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I still think the Potato Spuds quests are some of the better ones in this! Since the reward for most quests is the journey itself and that quest actually has a good journey of accomplishing something (farming).
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 06:04:25 PM
Like I said before, I think there was more to this game that they cut out and that's probably why they could release it earlier.
The economy doesn't make any sense. Either it was colony building, having unscripted 'colony war' events more of these side quests integrated into the storyline or just a general rebalance/re-order of things.
Xenoblade 1 also had a colony that you could build and expand.

Just too much effort went into these flameclocks taking up space in the HUD to not have them do anything.  :doge
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 15, 2022, 06:08:14 PM
Speaking of economy, I always have 99 ether cylinders and basically just avoid all these ether spots on the map. Like the game hardly uses ether cylinders and yet there's a million of them everywhere. It makes no sense.

Instead of silver noppon coins for upgrading classes and gold for gems they should let you use ether cylinders.

Money is also totally irrelevant. I have like a million+ and there's nothing to buy at all in the game since the gear from vendors is pointless since you get gear from the quests and drops.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 07:22:57 PM
Yup those things are very strange. The Ether Cylinders are only used for 2 things: rebooting the husks and forging gems.
Maybe at some point it was fuel for more things, I mean, it had to be.  :doge
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on September 16, 2022, 10:34:05 AM
I don't think it's kind of fun.

Two and Three have pretty bad voice acting that does not mesh well with the asthetics. Anime teens talking like soccer hooligans is stupid.
and sounding like the same 4 dumb ass Americans in every game is somehow better?  :lol
Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5dJuAlkzI&t=153s

And is this even true anymore(if it ever was)? The most recent Japanese games I've played(Soul Hackers 2, Babylons Fall, SMTV, FFVIIR, Monark, Triangle Strategy, Live a Live) and so on didn't seem to sound the same.

I was thrilled with the Live A Live remake but voice acting wasn't that game's strong suit. Especially the boss of the Ancient China chapter.

Still playing, about to head into
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Agnus castle to free the prisoner
[close]
. However, I'm taking a break from the main story to catch up on exploration, sidequests, and hero quests.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Helen Keller the Musical on September 16, 2022, 10:21:19 PM
Dunkey's review makes the game not look very good lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2022, 01:23:33 AM
123 hours, lvl.96, all sidequests 100% done before post-game and at the start of the final dungeon.

That was fun. Now it's time to not have fun while being back on the zzz main story. I'm multi-tasking during cutscenes at this point. They're just not worth my time for full attention. XB2 cutscenes were long but they were so much better directed than this even if they were 110% anime. This game just has sucky long cutscenes in its main story.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2022, 12:08:22 PM
90 hours, level 70, chapter 7 now, story wise I know need to collect things to unlock what I assume is the final area.

Went back to Colony 9 to unlock a whole bunch of stuff there, including the taters quest.
Which was again very NIER-esque I suppose. Now in classic Xenoblade tradition I need a piece of Ardun meat to finish a quest and can't remember where the rare Ardun's are.  :doge

how do you know if you've finished everything, there is a post-game? Just how humongous is this thing.  :ohhh
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: demi on September 17, 2022, 01:16:49 PM
Dunkey's review makes the game not look very good lol

Because it's not very good lol
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2022, 01:31:22 PM
Finished Michael Bay's Xenoblade.

Yup, that's up there with Cold Steel 4 and every Star Ocean game as the worst story in a jrpg in the last 20 years. It's not as bad as Cold Steel 4 because that had 3 games of setup to it, whereas XB3 had zero expectations.

Then again, it has the longest cutscenes and most in your face obnoxious story of them all, so yeah. That final boss fight with all the cutscene interruptions sure is a thing. Does this game even have real gameplay? Everything is scripted nonsense.

I call it Michael Bay's Xenoblade because the story doesn't give one shit the entire game at making a lick of sense and adhering to its own internal logic. Shit just constantly happens because flashy lights and anime power of friendship is COOL. There's no rhyme or reason to anything. None of the "mysteries" getting explained because they weren't mysteries to begin with. They were just the story doing whatever it wanted whenever it wanted to make for the next cutscene. There's no actual logic reasoning behind why things occur after a certain basic point. It's just nonsense flash.

Also I kind of agree that it's barely a Xeno game,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
First Xeno game ever without any Zohar sci-fi stuff?
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Plus why there are no vehicles when the entire game is PEOPLE DRIVING MECHS AROUND is  :lol  I mean even XB2 had mounts. Wtf the fuck man.


Still it's a good, though very flawed in almost every design aspect, game outside the main story. It's a game that is both a good game and a bad game at the same time. Very weird game. At least the DLC expansion will be a whole new story, so like Torna it actually might be a better story and a better game than the base game since Torna fixed a lot of the gameplay system issues in the base game.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2022, 01:36:12 PM
how do you know if you've finished everything, there is a post-game? Just how humongous is this thing.  :ohhh

The colony rank restrictions are incredibly tight. You can do every quest for a colony, find every dead body on the field for a colony, and do every collectopedia request for a colony and sometimes still just barely be under 5 stars. But generally it's pretty close 1:1.

So once you hit rank 5 with a colony it's unlikely there are any quests left. Plus you can run around and won't find any.

There are two exceptions. Two of the colonies don't hit rank 5 until post-game quests although one is close enough you could grind repeat requests to hit it. The two areas are:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
both castles
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So once you have every other colony at rank 5, you're done with all the content before post-game outside unique monsters. I still have the lvl.110 sea dragon left to fight.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2022, 02:51:18 PM
Is there a way to increase colony rank to 5 aside from finding every single dead body and doing every single collectopaedia request? I remember in xb2 you could just keep buying and selling to raise the rank...
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2022, 03:04:54 PM
Is there a way to increase colony rank to 5 aside from finding every single dead body and doing every single collectopaedia request? I remember in xb2 you could just keep buying and selling to raise the rank...

I mean doing all the sidequests...

If you mean besides those and sidequests? No. Finding the bodies are pretty easy and you can finish almost all the collectopaedia requests just buy going to each fabricator and running it like 10 times before moving on.

Although one collectopaedia request is BUGGED. It's a Noppon one that gives some silver coins. It requires an item that doesn't exist in the game. Someone hacked the game and it's in the database as a thrown item from an enemy but it's bugged because it's not linked to any specific enemy so it can't be thrown. I'm surprised the first patch didn't fix that since people who are OCD about 100% should be complaining about it. I don't care since you don't need it to hit noppon rank 5.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
Dunkey's review makes the game not look very good lol
Xenoblade 3 is a very good game but it's not for everyone. If you didn't like prior Xenoblade games you won't like this either.
Although I would say it is the most 'Nintendofied' of them all, certainly doing away with much of the lewdness of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 but also infusing a heavy dose of NIER-like melancholy at the same time.
The tone is pretty weird, people are getting murdered left and right and some even kill themselves or attempt to but the game is sort of dancing around that with plot armors.
It has some very great moments though, just not as consistent as Xenoblade Chronicles. Still, this is personally my favorite Xenoblade game of them all.

Dunkey's not much of an RPG fan and a significant subset of the Nintendo fanbase is sort of tired of Nintendo's focus on RPG's. They'd much rather see Nintendo develop more action games and classic IP's like Mario, Zelda, Starfox etc. .
Nintendo however has heavily doubled down on series like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem. So as of late they've released as many if not more Fire Emblem games than Mario games in various shapes and sizes.
Since Mario Kart 8 and Pikmin 3 released, Nintendo released Xenoblade Chronicles 3D, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Xenoblade 2, Xenoblade 2: Torna the Golden Country, Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition, Xenoblade Chronicles: Future Connected, and Xenoblade 3 and we'll likely see a Xenoblade Chronicles 3 spin-off before we see Mario Kart 9. On the third party side, Nintendo came up with the idea for the likes of a Live a Live remaster and made quite an effort to get SMTV to their platform. Prior to Switch Nintendo's platforms were never this RPG heavy.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2022, 07:00:30 PM
Alright, all post-game done. Even took down the lvl.120 unique. Pretty much 100% the game outside hunting down every last monster for the gems. Most of my gems are VI/VII/VIII. The whole gem system is stupid and the increases per level are pretty minimal for most. Boosting your attack by 5 attack when you have 1,500 attack is like who cares.

Game was fun. There's no way I would've kept playing for 129 hours if I wasn't having fun. Even though I don't like the story, and everything is broken, it was a fun game. Probably like an 8/10 for me. Will come back for each DLC drop since I grabbed the season pass.

I really, really hope that Xenoblade 4 does not continue from the ending of XB3 and is just a completely separate game. The lore is such a mess now, I'd rather future games not have anything to do with it.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2022, 07:08:20 PM
Dunkey's review makes the game not look very good lol
Xenoblade 3 is a very good game but it's not for everyone. If you didn't like prior Xenoblade games you won't like this either.
Although I would say it is the most 'Nintendofied' of them all, certainly doing away with much of the lewdness of Xenoblade Chronicles 2 but also infusing a heavy dose of NIER-like melancholy at the same time.
The tone is pretty weird, people are getting murdered left and right and some even kill themselves or attempt to but the game is sort of dancing around that with plot armors.
It has some very great moments though, just not as consistent as Xenoblade Chronicles. Still, this is personally my favorite Xenoblade game of them all.

Dunkey's not much of an RPG fan and a significant subset of the Nintendo fanbase is sort of tired of Nintendo's focus on RPG's. They'd much rather see Nintendo develop more action games and classic IP's like Mario, Zelda, Starfox etc. .
Nintendo however has heavily doubled down on series like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem. So as of late they've released as many if not more Fire Emblem games than Mario games in various shapes and sizes.
Since Mario Kart 8 and Pikmin 3 released, Nintendo released Xenoblade Chronicles 3D, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Xenoblade 2, Xenoblade 2: Torna the Golden Country, Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition, Xenoblade Chronicles: Future Connected, and Xenoblade 3 and we'll likely see a Xenoblade Chronicles 3 spin-off before we see Mario Kart 9. On the third party side, Nintendo came up with the idea for the likes of a Live a Live remaster and made quite an effort to get SMTV to their platform. Prior to Switch Nintendo's platforms were never this RPG heavy.

Honestly, I'm thrilled with Nintendo's focus on RPGs and hope it continues. Which, if their sales of the Switch is anything to go by, is likely. People need to get over the fact that series like F-Zero, Starfox, Punch Out, etc aren't really that popular anymore, there's not really too much left you can stretch those concepts without radically changing what they are (hell, the best Punch Out game is still the NES one) pissing everyone off (see: that WiiU Starfox), and Nintendo (and most other people) have moved on. I was kinda surprised to see a new Pikmin, as I feel that game is even less popular than the aforementioned, but it is a Miyamoto pet project.

I wouldn't really trust Dunkey's takes on RPGs... guy is much more a fan of 3d platformers and "cinematic" Sony games... definitely a guy who developed his taste in the N64/GC era of gaming and can't accept the fact that Nintendo's focus isn't quite the same.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2022, 07:31:23 PM
I love it too, I vividly remember the days of the GameCube, where the only worthwhile RPG for a long time was Tales of Symphonia because Skies of Arcadia only really existed on paper.
Then the Wii came and Nintendo literally had to force the RPG's with Xenoblade and The Last Story. It was Iwata himself who told Takahashi to follow his vision instead of moving into action games like they had done with Day of Crisis.

On the DS it was really hit and miss as far as Nintendo's own output went and many third party games weren't localized like Xenosaga 1+2. I mostly remember Suikoden Tierkreis as a stand-out title from those days that was an entirely new game and not a remaster or port. Finally we got to the 3DS and Fire Emblem: Awakening, the last 'shot' Fire Emblem got before they would put it on ice. But to everyone's surprise it was finally the hit they had been hoping for paving the way for the franchise it is today.

With Zelda (action RPG), Fire Emblem (strategy RPG) and Xenoblade (JRPG), Nintendo has all these bases covered.
Hopefully they can get Golden Sun back into shape as well as the top-down classic RPG and continue with the Xenoblade X-series and the Xenoblade Chronicles games. Plus there's always the dream of the Mother series returning.
Nintendo being an RPG power house next to Square Enix is something I never expected to happen but it's certainly moving in that direction.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2022, 07:53:13 PM
Some non-spoilerish shots from the backhalf of the game I took:

(https://i.imgur.com/w0FVDi4h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/84GFBlhh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aTIWbFSh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6zxEEhFh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Iii0WAvh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/snAQXm0h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/22vbFu8h.jpg)
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2022, 10:43:47 AM
All these hero quests are so good.  :whew
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: mormapope on September 20, 2022, 11:25:24 AM
40 hours in, lvl. 40, middle of Chapter 3. Easily my GOTY so far, combat starts as chipping away at enemies, to building a fully kitted out team that decimates instantly.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 22, 2022, 09:35:32 AM
So combat is a jrpg?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAzOxTSWEmc

Quote
Their stories begin on the battlefield, but their fight against a common enemy will unravel so much more. Don’t miss out on the emotional and action-packed journey in Xenoblade Chronicles 3!

:hesright

Doing quite a bit of sidequesting, lots of great quests in this masterpiece.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on October 04, 2022, 01:21:37 PM
The Special Edition box arrived from Nintendo- I didn't get a shipping notification; UPS just dropped it off.  No packing materials of any kind, but it came in a form-fitting slightly-thick cardboard sleeve and that protected it really well.  Hopefully it's like that for everyone but I suspect there's gonna be some pissed off folks.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 02:09:35 PM
I got another email about it a few days ago that due to technical problems the pre-orders have been delayed to mid October.  :doge
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on October 04, 2022, 02:55:33 PM
I got another email about it a few days ago that due to technical problems the pre-orders have been delayed to mid October.  :doge

LOL YUROP

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...Gets better CEs from Nintendo than we do. 
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 03:33:53 PM
I don't like this trend of them moving the orders to the Nintendo Store.

Before you could just freely order these at any retailer. So if you missed one opening their pre-orders you still had a shot at another.
If you miss this window to get the XB3 CE there's probably no other way to buy it.

I have the XB:DE and XB2 CE's as well as the original XB CE. I want the collection complete  :cry
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on October 04, 2022, 07:20:30 PM
I don't like this trend of them moving the orders to the Nintendo Store.

Before you could just freely order these at any retailer. So if you missed one opening their pre-orders you still had a shot at another.
If you miss this window to get the XB3 CE there's probably no other way to buy it.

I have the XB:DE and XB2 CE's as well as the original XB CE. I want the collection complete  :cry

It looks like they learned their lesson from this- I pre-ordered the Bayonetta 3 CE from Best Buy.  And didn't the new Fire Emblem game already get pre-orders up at other retailers for the CE?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on October 09, 2022, 08:29:39 PM
Finally, after 143 hours, done with it... every side quest and ascension quest, got all the colonies to level 5 (seems pointless but after doing all the quests I was almost all the way there, just had to mash 'a' a few times to fulfill collectopaedia requests). Liked the game, especially a lot of the side quests, though the main story wasn't as intriguing as some of the other Xeno series games. But I do feel that there were some things that feel unfinished - whole areas that feel kinda pointless and empty, the colony affinity system seems pretty pointless, lots of money and loot abound that's superfluous at best, repetitive cast of main villains.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 11:05:58 AM
Xenoblade 3 CE finally went live then the Nintendo store crashed.  :doge
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 06:26:45 PM
It went up for an hour then it went down again, what an absolute shit show.
Also people noticed the paypal option was gone so they could only pay with credit card (which is not a very popular payment method in Yurop).

Scalpers already selling their pre-orders on Ebay at ridiculous prices.

Guess I won't complete the CE collection  :cry
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: bork on October 12, 2022, 07:46:57 PM
Xenoblade 3 CE finally went live then the Nintendo store crashed.  :doge
It went up for an hour then it went down again, what an absolute shit show.
Also people noticed the paypal option was gone so they could only pay with credit card (which is not a very popular payment method in Yurop).

Scalpers already selling their pre-orders on Ebay at ridiculous prices.

Guess I won't complete the CE collection  :cry

Sounds just like what happened in 'Murica.
:salute
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 13, 2022, 08:09:54 AM
:miyamoto
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 05:59:32 PM
Pre-order Chronicles 3

- Nintendo announces XB3 and XB3:CE for a September release

- Nintendo pulls XB3 to July, with the XB3:CE to release at a later date

- Nintendo announces the XB3:CE materials will only be available on the My Nintendo Store

- Nintendo announces the XB3:CE materials will be available in the 'summer'

- Nintendo announces the XB3:CE materials have been delayed

- Nintendo opens a mailing list for further updates on the XB3:CE

- Nintendo informs the mailing list subscribers the XB3:CE materials will release mid september

- Nintendo informs the mailing list subscribers the XB3:CE materials have been delayed yet again to October, due to technical difficulties

- Nintendo informs the mailing list subscribers the XB3:CE materials have been delayed yet again but will be available for pre-order in the coming weeks. They remind subscribers that they need a MyNintendo Account to pre-order

- Nintendo publishes the XB3:CE materials for pre-order around 9AM

- Nintendo notifies the mailing list subscribers that the XB3:CE is available hours later (around 1PM)

- The MyNintendo Story is already down by ~10 AM

- The site returns for ~30 minutes around 4PM but Nintendo has removed PayPal as a payment method for physical pre-orders

- The site returns at around ~1AM, the XB3:CE page gives a 404

- Many consumers discover the next morning that their order has been removed from their order history

- The 34.99 product is listed for ~180 on Ebay

- The MyNintendo Store is down again
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on October 13, 2022, 08:03:01 PM
I see some people have gotten theirs already but mine was delayed till the end of Oct. Would be nice to have the complete set of XB CE's, but this was a complete shitshow.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on October 13, 2022, 08:17:27 PM
Isn't the first DLC with a new Hero and sidequests supposed to be out soon?
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on October 13, 2022, 11:06:43 PM
Actually, I guess it came out today?  :lol

Will wait until I finish up Kuro no Kiseki II and then check it out. Curious to how substantial the new quests are. Don't care too much about the new Hero/Job since the battle system is kinda whatever to me at this point. Assuming there's no new areas or anything.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on October 14, 2022, 01:16:35 AM
It's a new hero with their own hero/ascension quest, plus challenge battles. So if you aren't here for the combat system, there isn't much.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Supermanisdead on October 19, 2022, 11:18:50 PM
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1582808813660700672

quietly updated adding a crazy good feature. cannot believe this wasn't in the base game, would have saved hours of menu time  :-\
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: PogiJones on October 21, 2022, 06:19:06 AM
Combat: X > 2 > 3 > 1
World/exploration + area music: X > 2 > 1 > 3
The rest of the music: 3 > 2 > X > 1
1st half of the story: 1 >>>>> 3 > 2 > X
2nd half of the story: 3 [Ch. 5-6] > 2 >>> 1 > 3 [Ch. 7] > X
Characters: 3 > 1 > 2 > X
Sidequests: 3 > X > 2 >>>>> 1

Overall, I'd give each entry a 9/10, for different reasons. X has by far the best gameplay/exploration, 1 has the best opening half up through prison island, 2 has the best conclusion and villains, and 3 has the best emotional moments and sidequests by a country mile. They each have their strengths and weaknesses, so I'm not surprised seeing different people with different values loving or hating different entries. I think 3 probably has the broadest appeal, though, and it's probably my personal favorite of the three main entries, excluding X.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2022, 03:12:04 PM
The side quests in 3 are just insane, probably better than the main quest even.

Each colony is like a mini-RPG with it's own plot and characters.
And every side quest is part of a bigger story arc unique to a colony and eventually new quests appear to link certain colonies.

Even since I got to collecting the metal pieces or whatever I've just been doing sidequests.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: PogiJones on October 27, 2022, 10:55:13 AM
I'm playing through 2 again, and I have to say, the environments are way, way more visually striking in 2 than 3. And I don't just mean more glowy trees and whatnot. Even the all metal areas have striking, high-contrast lighting that makes it interesting to look at. 3 just doesn't. Idk what happened.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on October 30, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
It's a new hero with their own hero/ascension quest, plus challenge battles. So if you aren't here for the combat system, there isn't much.

I did the hero quests and some of the new challenge battle stuff. Was ok. Not sure the point of having a tank that you want to die to increase its DPS. Doesn't seem like a job I'd use.

Also of course her having her own collectible grind if you want to max her out is something for people that want more grind.

The challenge battles seem ok, but I do like that you can buy nopon coins with the wins and the 3x bonus is great. Helped me get the new class to rank 10 real fast to do the ascension quest.

Will be interesting to see what they add in the remaining packs and if the additional heroes will have their own grind system like Ino.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2022, 06:12:00 PM
I think I'm at the final boss now. This was quite the boss gauntlet.  :whew

But no death cutscenes for these last few Moebius is kinda weird? Guess they ran out of time.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on November 22, 2022, 06:21:20 PM
That's because the Moebius all fucking suck and are jobbers.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2022, 04:33:42 PM
Everyone: Guess Takahashi is no longer into religion and myths huh, it's all about mechs and scifi now

Me: Noah's ark went rogue :pika
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2022, 06:11:33 PM
Finished the main story at level 87 after 130 hours so. The only fault this game has is pacing and that Normal mode is Easy and Hard mode is Normal but otherwise this is one of the best RPG's of all time.
The best Xenoblade and the best game of the year.

Best soundtrack of the year too, I mean Elden Ring has a good theme but this game is a musical journey from start to finish.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on November 26, 2022, 06:14:51 PM
Finished the main story at level 87 after 130 hours so. The only fault this game has is pacing and that Normal mode is Easy and Hard mode is Normal but otherwise this is one of the best RPG's of all time.
The best Xenoblade and the best game of the year.

Best soundtrack of the year too, I mean Elden Ring has a good theme but this game is a musical journey from start to finish.

Glad you enjoyed it!
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2022, 06:32:56 PM
This game has two of the most heart breaking scenes in any RPG perhaps ever.  :cry

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At the end, you the player are Moebius. Hoping that Mio and Noah can stay together. Fucking Genius 4th wall breaking shit :lawd
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Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 02:40:55 PM
This game was robbed at the Game Awards for best music. :hmph
Today I also found out that the English vocals were actually performed by a Dutch singer.

Seems to be a trend as of late for Dutch models/singers to end up in Japanese projects.
The new model for Ashley in Resident Evil 4 is Dutch too.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: Bebpo on January 03, 2023, 02:54:35 PM
Yeah, soundtrack probably deserved an award, though that's the only thing I'd give to this game. XB2 ost had better highs but XB3 ost is more consistent.
Title: Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3: It's pretty good
Post by: tiesto on January 04, 2023, 01:34:50 PM
This game was robbed at the Game Awards for best music. :hmph
Today I also found out that the English vocals were actually performed by a Dutch singer.

Seems to be a trend as of late for Dutch models/singers to end up in Japanese projects.
The new model for Ashley in Resident Evil 4 is Dutch too.

Technically been goin on for a while ;)
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/do-dutch-wives-dream-of-electric-eels-dark-age-of-jrpgs/