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Title: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 04:50:24 PM
It's rare that I meet someone on the Internet whose understanding and knowledge of history far, far surpasses my own.  Not that I'm a buff, it's just that most people on the Internet are complete morons - so it's rather easy to use an elementary understanding of Social Studies to trump people in debates.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 19, 2007, 04:51:44 PM
When you don't have a job, you make up for it with Hobbies. Like when I moved to the Seattle area and was unemployed for three months i became one of the best BF1942 engineers ever.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 04:54:54 PM
I don't think so, because we all met at meetings and nobody dropped your name.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 04:55:27 PM
When you don't have a job, you make up for it with Hobbies. Like when I moved to the Seattle area and was unemployed for three months i became one of the best BF1942 engineers ever.
except that triumph's hobby is apparently useful... yours... not so much
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 19, 2007, 04:56:06 PM
I killed Derek Smart in Battlefield 1942 at long range with a scopeless no4 rifle!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 19, 2007, 04:56:39 PM
When you don't have a job, you make up for it with Hobbies. Like when I moved to the Seattle area and was unemployed for three months i became one of the best BF1942 engineers ever.
except that triumph's hobby is apparently useful... yours... not so much

Yes, buy my job is far more useful than his hobbies.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 19, 2007, 04:57:49 PM
When you don't have a job, you make up for it with Hobbies. Like when I moved to the Seattle area and was unemployed for three months i became one of the best BF1942 engineers ever.
except that triumph's hobby is apparently useful... yours... not so much

Yes, buy my job is far more useful than his hobbies.

Oh snap!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 04:59:02 PM
When you don't have a job, you make up for it with Hobbies. Like when I moved to the Seattle area and was unemployed for three months i became one of the best BF1942 engineers ever.
except that triumph's hobby is apparently useful... yours... not so much

Yes, buy my job is far more useful than his hobbies.
sick burn.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 04:59:42 PM
I killed Derek Smart in Battlefield 1942 at long range with a scopeless no4 rifle!

Derek Smart is a bum.  I stabbed Derek Smart in the back with a knife.  When he was facing me!  And there was a 10 second delay!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
Derek Smart is underrated.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2007, 05:01:26 PM
Was.   :-\  Didn't graduate.  And MAF, yeah your job IS far more valuable than my hobbies.   :-\

I read a lot; history and sociology are very interesting to me.  It's hilarious that mankind keeps making the same kinds of mistakes with drastically more dangerous technology.  So it goes.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 19, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
whos's Derek Smart?
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 19, 2007, 05:02:30 PM
Derek Smart is underrated.

As a developer or BF1942 player? I think my favorite BF1942 moment was when Morphix had found me on a server and we proceeded to ignore the war and just kill each other over and over. I think he ran me over with a jeep and I landed a plane on him. It was pretty fun.

Triumph: Wasn't really meant as a dig, I like reading about history too.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2007, 05:03:52 PM
Oh, I didn't take it as a dig, I'm just super bummed about my lack of employment.  I'm seriously thinking about selling my car and the rest of my shit and moving to New York to work on film post-production.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 05:04:28 PM
Was.   :-\  Didn't graduate.

I knew it!

My favorite Battlefield 1942 moment was when Mike_Works and I went on some high profile, super competitive Wake server and ignored the war to jeep race from one part of the island to the other.  We'd be racing through enemy capture points and they'd shoot at us.  Then our side would yell for us to pick them up and get angered that we weren't helping fight.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 19, 2007, 05:05:33 PM
Oh, I didn't take it as a dig, I'm just super bummed about my lack of employment.  I'm seriously thinking about selling my car and the rest of my shit and moving to New York to work on film post-production.

Do it! I will go into the city just to find you and yell at your dirty Braves-loving ass.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 05:05:57 PM
MAF: As a developer. :)

Triumph: You should totally do it.  You've been in pretty much the same situation since I've noticed you on the board.  Except that short period that you were employed.  Time for a change, babe
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 05:06:11 PM
Triumph, if it makes you feel any better, I'm in the same boat - it blows.  I'm looking at emergency gigs this entire week for funds.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 05:06:33 PM
Oh, I didn't take it as a dig, I'm just super bummed about my lack of employment.  I'm seriously thinking about selling my car and the rest of my shit and moving to New York to work on film post-production.

Do it! I will go into the city just to find you and yell at your dirty Braves-loving ass.
my grandma loves the braves  >:(
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 19, 2007, 05:08:37 PM
One thing i know about history. Its Doomed to repeat itself!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2007, 05:09:02 PM
Oh, I didn't take it as a dig, I'm just super bummed about my lack of employment.  I'm seriously thinking about selling my car and the rest of my shit and moving to New York to work on film post-production.

Do it! I will go into the city just to find you and yell at your dirty Braves-loving ass.

lolz.  One of my buddies has pretty much guaranteed me a job helping him edit at a post house.  I'm seriously considering it, but I'm really, really gun shy of taking him up for the simple fact that the last four people who said they could help me get a job have all fallen through.  I'm basically to the point now where I have to get a shit job just to start taking in some money, and I hate the thought of that.

However, since I've made so little money so far this year and that trend is likely to continue, I'm seriously pondering just making enough to barely subsist off of for a year and then getting a whole assload of financial aid and finishing my degree.  I've got a little bit less than two years left, and then maybe I could get into law school before Malek.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 05:09:41 PM
One thing i know about history. Its Doomed to repeat itself!
did you get that off of a fortune cookie?  :-\
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 19, 2007, 05:11:26 PM
I've got a little bit less than two years left, and then maybe I could get into law school before Malek.
God damn it!  >:(
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 05:15:37 PM
Hey, just apply to Regent University and you could be working for President Bush in no time!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 19, 2007, 05:17:06 PM
One thing i know about history. Its Doomed to repeat itself!
did you get that off of a fortune cookie?  :-\

Yeah i got that cookie long ago. But its all good i didnt eat the cookie. It doesnt happen if you dont eat the cookie. So i'm safe for now.

 :lol

Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: bluemax on April 19, 2007, 05:18:28 PM
One thing i know about history. Its Doomed to repeat itself!

One thing I learned this semester is that most of Chinese History is a ridiculous repetitive cycle. They didn't learn their lesson until it was way too late.

Derek Smart sucks.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: G The Resurrected on April 19, 2007, 05:20:14 PM
Mongolians ant the wall, yeep the chinese never learned.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 05:22:07 PM
Like Cheebs, I too am a lover of American history, especially as it relates to presidents.

Teddy is my favorite president :heartbeat
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 05:35:44 PM
Like Cheebs, I too am a lover of American history, especially as it relates to presidents.

Teddy is my favorite president :heartbeat


FDR>Teddy :shh
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 05:38:35 PM
Like Cheebs, I too am a lover of American history, especially as it relates to presidents.

Teddy is my favorite president :heartbeat


FDR>Teddy :shh

FDR is overrated, just like JKF. It seems like Americans like emotionally manipulative success stories - and what's more emotionally manipulative than the idea that even as a cripple (legless or headless) YOU TOO can become the president of the United States
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 05:50:09 PM
Like Cheebs, I too am a lover of American history, especially as it relates to presidents.

Teddy is my favorite president :heartbeat


FDR>Teddy :shh

FDR is overrated, just like JKF. It seems like Americans like emotionally manipulative success stories - and what's more emotionally manipulative than the idea that even as a cripple (legless or headless) YOU TOO can become the president of the United States
I "love" JFK due to his presidency being insanely facinating and the fact he is so likeable. But I agree, he didn't do too much. Most of the grand social changes of the 60's were inacted by LBJ even though most people on the street would assume credit to kennedy
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 06:19:47 PM
Like Cheebs, I too am a lover of American history, especially as it relates to presidents.

Teddy is my favorite president :heartbeat


FDR>Teddy :shh

FDR is overrated, just like JKF. It seems like Americans like emotionally manipulative success stories - and what's more emotionally manipulative than the idea that even as a cripple (legless or headless) YOU TOO can become the president of the United States

Dude, you are the fucking king of emotionally manipulative bullshit.

Kennedy aside, how is FDR's story emotionally manipulative?  They tried to keep him being confined to a wheelchair out of public view, and unlike Kennedy, the complaint that he didn't do much is completely unwarranted.  Like it or not, FDR did a god-damned lot.  He'll be remembered for doing a lot more than probably 90%+ of other presidents.

You're such a fucking idiot, PD.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 06:21:34 PM
Like Cheebs, I too am a lover of American history, especially as it relates to presidents.

Teddy is my favorite president :heartbeat


FDR>Teddy :shh

FDR is overrated, just like JKF. It seems like Americans like emotionally manipulative success stories - and what's more emotionally manipulative than the idea that even as a cripple (legless or headless) YOU TOO can become the president of the United States

Dude, you are the fucking king of emotionally manipulative bullshit.

Kennedy aside, how is FDR's story emotionally manipulative?  They tried to keep him being confined to a wheelchair out of public view, and unlike Kennedy, the complaint that he didn't do much is completely unwarranted.  Like it or not, FDR did a god-damned lot.  He'll be remembered for doing a lot more than probably 90%+ of other presidents.

You're such a fucking idiot, PD.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Dude, are you serious? TVC, are you fucking serious :lol
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 06:32:45 PM
PD historians consistently rank FDR as one of the 3 best presidents alongside Lincoln and Washington you know right?
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2007, 06:33:40 PM
FDR is easily the most important President of the last century.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 06:34:44 PM
I don't usually join in on the PD bashing but...

Phoenix Dark
A for affort

Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 19, 2007, 06:35:35 PM
jesus christ, you're totally ignorant of history if you think fdr isn't one of the most influential and important presidents of this country. this is worse than your review of unforgiven. it's okay to go OH HE WUZ A SOCIALIST I HATE HIM LOL but to ignore the impact he had on our country as it currently exists is to be so fundamentally ignorant of 20th century history as to make us all stupider for simply having been exposed to your post.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 06:40:48 PM
FDR is easily the most important President of the last century.
I'd say its pretty damn safe to say he is the most important president since Lincoln.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 06:43:07 PM
As a nutso Libertarian, I don't even like FDR, but to claim that the only reason people like him is:

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FDR is overrated, just like JKF. It seems like Americans like emotionally manipulative success stories - and what's more emotionally manipulative than the idea that even as a cripple (legless or headless) YOU TOO can become the president of the United States

is abso-fucking-lutely Unforgiven trolling ridiculous.

And I love how you are slinging emotionally manipulative around like an insult, when in previous discussions concerning your movie tastes, you couldn't understand how the label could be seen as an insult.  You cry to Forrest Gump and To Kill a Mockingbird, yet you are saying EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATIVE is a BAD THING in this case (even though FDR's story is shockingly not emotionally manipulative).

Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 06:45:14 PM
He could declare himself King back during WWII(not seriously, but still) and America would have probably not cared and they didn't have a clue he was a cripple
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:12:50 PM
Cheebs back me up. I've stated many times that I respect FDR. He is indeed the most important president of the last century. That being said, I think he's overrated. I think he's reached a level of mythological proportions to the point that people are unwilling to call things like they are. He was a step back in terms of civil rights. He presided over one of the largest violations of the constitution (internment). While some would put far more emphasis on his actions at Yalta, I won't go that far; he was rather sick at the time.

FDR was a very smart politician who did what was best for himself throughout his career. In many ways this is what defined his presidency and made it a direct opposition to Teddy's.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:13:32 PM
As a nutso Libertarian, I don't even like FDR, but to claim that the only reason people like him is:

Quote
FDR is overrated, just like JKF. It seems like Americans like emotionally manipulative success stories - and what's more emotionally manipulative than the idea that even as a cripple (legless or headless) YOU TOO can become the president of the United States

is abso-fucking-lutely Unforgiven trolling ridiculous.

And I love how you are slinging emotionally manipulative around like an insult, when in previous discussions concerning your movie tastes, you couldn't understand how the label could be seen as an insult.  You cry to Forrest Gump and To Kill a Mockingbird, yet you are saying EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATIVE is a BAD THING in this case (even though FDR's story is shockingly not emotionally manipulative)


And this is why I'm shocked you didn't get the post
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 07:19:34 PM
Cheebs back me up. I've stated many times that I respect FDR. He is indeed the most important president of the last century. That being said, I think he's overrated. I think he's reached a level of mythological proportions to the point that people are unwilling to call things like they are. He was a step back in terms of civil rights. He presided over one of the largest violations of the constitution (internment). While some would put far more emphasis on his actions at Yalta, I won't go that far; he was rather sick at the time.

FDR was a very smart politician who did what was best for himself throughout his career. In many ways this is what defined his presidency and made it a direct opposition to Teddy's.

FDR ensured that minorities got fair jobs in the various programs he created in the 30s.  The internment camps were wrong, yes, but it's not like it was done because they thought pacific islanders were less than other people.  Saying "He was a step back in terms of civil rights" is absolutely wrong. 

You still haven't qualified how he is overrated, either.  Like I said, I don't particularly like a lot of his policy, and I think he set some nasty precedents leading to the welfare state of today, but it is 100% inarguable that his presidency had an absolutely enormous influence on America, even up until today.  How do you overrate that, exactly?  We're still feeling the consequences of things he did.

Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:27:17 PM
Cheebs back me up. I've stated many times that I respect FDR. He is indeed the most important president of the last century. That being said, I think he's overrated. I think he's reached a level of mythological proportions to the point that people are unwilling to call things like they are. He was a step back in terms of civil rights. He presided over one of the largest violations of the constitution (internment). While some would put far more emphasis on his actions at Yalta, I won't go that far; he was rather sick at the time.

FDR was a very smart politician who did what was best for himself throughout his career. In many ways this is what defined his presidency and made it a direct opposition to Teddy's.

FDR ensured that minorities got fair jobs in the various programs he created in the 30s.  The internment camps were wrong, yes, but it's not like it was done because they thought pacific islanders were less than other people.  Saying "He was a step back in terms of civil rights" is absolutely wrong. 

You still haven't qualified how he is overrated, either.  Like I said, I don't particularly like a lot of his policy, and I think he set some nasty precedents leading to the welfare state of today, but it is 100% inarguable that his presidency had an absolutely enormous influence on America, even up until today.  How do you overrate that, exactly?  We're still feeling the consequences of things he did.


Actually many of his programs hurt minorities - albiet in more of a disparate impact way. Sharecroppers especially were effected by some of his legislation.

And that's another thing that annoys me about him. Like LBJ, FDR was very effective as a presidential whip so to speak - he was able to convince congressmen to go along with his legislation, even if they weren't exactly in support of it. Yet he never attempted to use his bully pulpit power or influence to achieve anything related to civil rights. Elenaor basically begged him to sign the anti lynching bill (he didn't). This is about character. LBJ (yes, in total he's not the greatest example of "character") pushed civil rights despite his southern roots, and was able to convince enough of his southern buddies to actually pass the thing. FDR could have done this, but instead decided it would hurt him politically. Which of course is puzzling because of the emmense support he had throughout his presidency

Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 07:29:39 PM
Cheebs back me up. I've stated many times that I respect FDR. He is indeed the most important president of the last century. That being said, I think he's overrated. I think he's reached a level of mythological proportions to the point that people are unwilling to call things like they are. He was a step back in terms of civil rights. He presided over one of the largest violations of the constitution (internment). While some would put far more emphasis on his actions at Yalta, I won't go that far; he was rather sick at the time.

FDR was a very smart politician who did what was best for himself throughout his career. In many ways this is what defined his presidency and made it a direct opposition to Teddy's.

FDR ensured that minorities got fair jobs in the various programs he created in the 30s.  The internment camps were wrong, yes, but it's not like it was done because they thought pacific islanders were less than other people.  Saying "He was a step back in terms of civil rights" is absolutely wrong. 

You still haven't qualified how he is overrated, either.  Like I said, I don't particularly like a lot of his policy, and I think he set some nasty precedents leading to the welfare state of today, but it is 100% inarguable that his presidency had an absolutely enormous influence on America, even up until today.  How do you overrate that, exactly?  We're still feeling the consequences of things he did.


Actually many of his programs hurt minorities - albiet in more of a disparate impact way. Sharecroppers especially were effected by some of his legislation.

And that's another thing that annoys me about him. Like LBJ, FDR was very effective as a presidential whip so to speak - he was able to convince congressmen to go along with his legislation, even if they weren't exactly in support of it. Yet he never attempted to use his bully pulpit power or influence to achieve anything related to civil rights. Elenaor basically begged him to sign the anti lynching bill (he didn't). This is about character. LBJ (yes, in total he's not the greatest example of "character") pushed civil rights despite his southern roots, and was able to convince enough of his southern buddies to actually pass the thing. FDR could have done this, but instead decided it would hurt him politically. Which of course is puzzling because of the emmense support he had throughout his presidency



Aherm, PD:

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Roosevelt explained his reluctance to support anti-lynching legislation in a conversation with Walter White of the NAACP. "I did not choose the tools with which I must work. Had I been permitted to choose then I would have selected quite different ones. But I've got to get legislation passed by Congress to save America. The Southerners by reason of the seniority rule in Congress are chairmen or occupy strategic places on most of the Senate and House committees. If I come out for the anti-lynching bill now, they will block every bill I ask Congress to pass to keep America from collapsing. I just can't take that risk."

Attacking his stances on civil rights isn't easy because it's a complicated subject.  It is, however, absolute hyperbole to say he was a step back in civil rights.  He wasn't a Republican, after all.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 07:32:00 PM
It was also the 1940's and 30's, its very hard to compare to LBJ in the 60's with the gigantic rise in social awareness and such that happened in that decade that was not there for FDR.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:34:40 PM
Cheebs back me up. I've stated many times that I respect FDR. He is indeed the most important president of the last century. That being said, I think he's overrated. I think he's reached a level of mythological proportions to the point that people are unwilling to call things like they are. He was a step back in terms of civil rights. He presided over one of the largest violations of the constitution (internment). While some would put far more emphasis on his actions at Yalta, I won't go that far; he was rather sick at the time.

FDR was a very smart politician who did what was best for himself throughout his career. In many ways this is what defined his presidency and made it a direct opposition to Teddy's.

FDR ensured that minorities got fair jobs in the various programs he created in the 30s.  The internment camps were wrong, yes, but it's not like it was done because they thought pacific islanders were less than other people.  Saying "He was a step back in terms of civil rights" is absolutely wrong. 

You still haven't qualified how he is overrated, either.  Like I said, I don't particularly like a lot of his policy, and I think he set some nasty precedents leading to the welfare state of today, but it is 100% inarguable that his presidency had an absolutely enormous influence on America, even up until today.  How do you overrate that, exactly?  We're still feeling the consequences of things he did.


Actually many of his programs hurt minorities - albiet in more of a disparate impact way. Sharecroppers especially were effected by some of his legislation.

And that's another thing that annoys me about him. Like LBJ, FDR was very effective as a presidential whip so to speak - he was able to convince congressmen to go along with his legislation, even if they weren't exactly in support of it. Yet he never attempted to use his bully pulpit power or influence to achieve anything related to civil rights. Elenaor basically begged him to sign the anti lynching bill (he didn't). This is about character. LBJ (yes, in total he's not the greatest example of "character") pushed civil rights despite his southern roots, and was able to convince enough of his southern buddies to actually pass the thing. FDR could have done this, but instead decided it would hurt him politically. Which of course is puzzling because of the emmense support he had throughout his presidency



Aherm, PD:

Quote
Roosevelt explained his reluctance to support anti-lynching legislation in a conversation with Walter White of the NAACP. "I did not choose the tools with which I must work. Had I been permitted to choose then I would have selected quite different ones. But I've got to get legislation passed by Congress to save America. The Southerners by reason of the seniority rule in Congress are chairmen or occupy strategic places on most of the Senate and House committees. If I come out for the anti-lynching bill now, they will block every bill I ask Congress to pass to keep America from collapsing. I just can't take that risk."

Attacking his stances on civil rights isn't easy because it's a complicated subject.  It is, however, absolute hyperbole to say he was a step back in civil rights.  He wasn't a Republican, after all.

Quote
But I've got to get legislation passed by Congress to save America.

But not African Americans? Ah, ok.

Quote from: TVC
Attacking his stances on civil rights isn't easy because it's a complicated subject.  It is, however, absolute hyperbole to say he was a step back in civil rights.  He wasn't a Republican, after all.

I disagree. Even the quote you provided sounds passive and uncaring. And with respect to your comment on Republicans, perhaps you have forgotten that in terms of civil rights, the Democrats were even more blatantly racist than the current Republican party. KKK memberships anyone?

And also, Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican president, did far more in terms of civil rights.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 07:37:48 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to see that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 07:43:53 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different

Teddy was progressive and he really didn't fit into one party or another.  He liked unions but he also liked making shit illegal.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 07:45:00 PM
Teddy was a Al Goreish environmentalist too. He has nothing in common with the post-Nixon republican party. However the Democratic Party's domestic agenda to this day was set in stone by FDR.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:46:02 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different

Teddy was progressive and he really didn't fit into one party or another.  He liked unions but he also liked making shit illegal.

He was a progressive Republican. Is that so hard to admit?

He realized business was very important for the economic development of the country, but at the same time he refused to sit back and let businesses do whatever they wanted
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 07:47:20 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different

Teddy was progressive and he really didn't fit into one party or another.  He liked unions but he also liked making shit illegal.

He was a progressive Republican. Is that so hard to admit?
Teddy's party has absolutely nothing in common with the party today. It is useless and pure nonsense to attach party labels that far back.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 07:47:46 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different

Teddy was progressive and he really didn't fit into one party or another.  He liked unions but he also liked making shit illegal.

He was a progressive Republican. Is that so hard to admit?

He realized business was very important for the economic development of the country, but at the same time he refused to sit back and let businesses do whatever they wanted

Refused to let businesses do whatever they wanted?  That's very Republican.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 07:49:39 PM
PD, just drop the republican label. It has NOTHING to do with the republican party today.

Thomas Jefferson was the first democratic president and yet he was a huge advocate of states right and rather pro-slavery.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:50:15 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different

Teddy was progressive and he really didn't fit into one party or another.  He liked unions but he also liked making shit illegal.

He was a progressive Republican. Is that so hard to admit?
Teddy's party has absolutely nothing in common with the party today. It is useless and pure nonsense to attach party labels that far back.

And this is what I don't think TVC understands, unless he's being sarcastic. 70 years ago the Democrats were nothing like they are today, and no one could honestly call them the party of "social/civil rights". Just ask Senator Bryd
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 07:51:43 PM
Yes, that quote totally sounds passive and uncaring.  When you have already painted someone as a racist and are reading text, you tend to have that effect.

And don't forget Teddy abandoned his political party, so I think it's kind of disingenuous to paint him as a typical Republican.

There's more to the story than him simply leaving the party though. In many ways it was started by Taft's back stabbing of Roosevelt - or at least that's how Roosevelt saw it.

Teddy was a Republican through and through, the problem is that today Republican means something very different

Teddy was progressive and he really didn't fit into one party or another.  He liked unions but he also liked making shit illegal.

He was a progressive Republican. Is that so hard to admit?
Teddy's party has absolutely nothing in common with the party today. It is useless and pure nonsense to attach party labels that far back.

And this is what I don't think TVC understands, unless he's being sarcastic. 70 years ago the Democrats were nothing like they are today, and no one could honestly call them the party of "social/civil rights". Just ask Senator Bryd
As I said. Thomas Jefferson one of the founders of the Dem' party but masturbated to states rights.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 07:52:08 PM
You know what PD doesn't understand?  FDR's presidency.  HE'S OVERRATED!!!!!!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 07:59:07 PM
You know what PD doesn't understand?  FDR's presidency.  HE'S OVERRATED!!!!!!

He is. People should give him credit for keeping the country together, winning the war, and putting us on the road to economic recovery (although no, the New Deal did not end the Great Depression). Sadly his economic plans didn't effect most blacks (and other minorities), some of his economic decisions were pretty loony, and his decision on the internment camps was quite...Republican-like, to use a TVCism.

If I was a fool I'd say he also handed half of Europe over to the Russians. That's still being debated today, and some of the details (like his health) are sketchy at best
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 08:02:34 PM
You know what PD doesn't understand?  FDR's presidency.  HE'S OVERRATED!!!!!!

He is. People should give him credit for keeping the country together, winning the war, and putting us on the road to economic recovery (although no, the New Deal did not end the Great Depression).

Yes, ANYONE could've done that, right?

I'm sorry that civil rights took a back seat to the depression and world war 2, PD.  I don't know if you ever learned about those.  You see, the civilized world was kind of on the brink of total collapse.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 08:04:18 PM
You know what PD doesn't understand?  FDR's presidency.  HE'S OVERRATED!!!!!!

He is. People should give him credit for keeping the country together, winning the war, and putting us on the road to economic recovery (although no, the New Deal did not end the Great Depression).

Yes, ANYONE could've done that, right?

I'm sorry that civil rights took a back seat to the depression and world war 2, PD.  I don't know if you ever learned about those.  You see, the civilized world was kind of on the brink of total collapse.

I don't mean to make it sound like anyone could do this. Jimmy Carter certainly couldn't

But in terms of my least favorite presidents everyone likes, FDR is #1, followed by JKF
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 19, 2007, 08:06:08 PM
You know what PD doesn't understand?  FDR's presidency.  HE'S OVERRATED!!!!!!

He is. People should give him credit for keeping the country together, winning the war, and putting us on the road to economic recovery (although no, the New Deal did not end the Great Depression).

Yes, ANYONE could've done that, right?

I'm sorry that civil rights took a back seat to the depression and world war 2, PD.  I don't know if you ever learned about those.  You see, the civilized world was kind of on the brink of total collapse.

I don't mean to make it sound like anyone could do this. Jimmy Carter certainly couldn't

But in terms of my least favorite presidents everyone likes, FDR is #1, followed by JKF

That's because you're either ignorant or a contrarian.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 08:06:22 PM
i'm pretty racist.  I would rock as a president.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 08:06:33 PM
Keeping the country together and winning WWII is the reason he is put alongside Lincoln and Washington but you seem to act like that isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 08:06:55 PM
What are your thoughts on JFK?
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2007, 08:07:33 PM
What are your thoughts on JKF?
Just Kidding Fucker?
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 08:09:48 PM
What are your thoughts on JKF?
As president rather over-rated. But that should not take away from the fact he avoided WWIII with sheer brilliance, most presidents would have gone to war(yet he helped kind of start the crisis so it is somewhat negated).

But he is such a iconic individual who just oozes charisma it is near impossible for even the most straight male to not swoon over him.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 08:11:03 PM
What are your thoughts on JKF?
Just Kidding Fucker?

I find him so unimpressive I mispelled his name - my bad.

If anything he makes me even more upset LBJ was such a fuckup with Vietnam. One could argue that outside of Vietnam, LBJ>JFK. Cheebs seems to believe this as well. JFK gets so much credit for the stuff LBJ actually did in terms of social policy and civil rights
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 08:15:02 PM
Even with my love of JFK it truely hurts me that LBJ's social moves are ignored due to Vietnam and pushed into Kennedy's lap.

He did so much to get that through. And he ended up making the Democrats DEAD in the south, a stigma that still is there to this day. But it was worth it.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 08:20:06 PM
AGREED

He showed true poise and determination there. Unlike...well nevermind
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2007, 08:22:36 PM
But he lost "us" Texas!

I saw a doc on LBJ a few months ago on the history channel. They said before he died he went to a black family's house and saw a picture of JFK in their house, a sight often seen in black familys after the civil rights bill and they said those close to him said it hurt him deeply for the rest of his life. :(
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2007, 08:37:54 PM
Maybe FDR could read the future and didn't pass the anti lynching law just so people could hang that horrible woman.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 12:56:00 AM
Goddammit, how did a thread dedicated to my intelligence get shat up by PD?  Oh yeah, it's what he does.  Ugh. :duh
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 20, 2007, 01:04:37 AM
Goddammit, how did a thread dedicated to my intelligence get shat up by PD?  Oh yeah, it's what he does.  Ugh. :duh
No thread stays on topic... unless the topic is about PD, since almost every thread centers around him.



Teddy
 :heartbeat
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Oblivion on April 20, 2007, 01:07:08 AM
I'm a history major.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2007, 01:09:44 AM
Good luck with that
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 01:11:59 AM
History is a pretty good, slack undergraduate degree to get.  You can learn a lot that will help you in graduate school.  One of my good friends got his undergraduate in history and engineering, masters in history and then went to law school.  I'm pretty much probably gonna follow that path, minus the engineering and bothering to get a masters.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2007, 01:13:38 AM
Accounting is also a great minor to choose if you want to be able to make really good money while still in college working towards your major/law school/etc
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Oblivion on April 20, 2007, 01:20:12 AM
It'd be nice to get my BA in History and be done with it, but seeing as how that's not very useful, I unfortunately have to go all the way (or at least with a Master's) to be a college instructor. :-\
 
But hey, I like teaching, and history was always an interesting subject, so I don't mind too much. The other reason is that I've heard most game designers are had degrees in history, which sorta makes sense since it would be useful to know some shit that you could tie in with the games you're working on. Yeah, yeah, the odds of getting such a job are pretty rare, but that's why I have a backup plan.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: drozmight on April 20, 2007, 01:23:58 AM
Everyone shutup and listen... we already, as a nation, voted, and elected Ronald Reagan the greatest American of all time.

The end.


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Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: demi on April 20, 2007, 01:26:28 AM
It'd be nice to get my BA in History and be done with it, but seeing as how that's not very useful, I unfortunately have to go all the way (or at least with a Master's) to be a college instructor. :-\
 
But hey, I like teaching, and history was always an interesting subject, so I don't mind too much. The other reason is that I've heard most game designers are had degrees in history, which sorta makes sense since it would be useful to know some shit that you could tie in with the games you're working on. Yeah, yeah, the odds of getting such a job are pretty rare, but that's why I have a backup plan.

You aren't gonna be a game designer off the bat. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 20, 2007, 01:27:50 AM
Everyone shutup and listen... we already, as a nation, voted, and elected Ronald Reagan the greatest American of all time.

The end.

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I don't think Reagan was a very bad president at all. . .and neither do any of the presidents that followed him, since regardless of party, they've been very Ronnie-esque when it comes to policy in one way or another.  Sure, he could be a cutthroat bastard at times, but Reagan had one of the best scriptwriting teams behind him.  He restored a sort of dignity to the presidency after the decade of presidential slapassery that preceded him.

I won't say he's a saint, or that he was the best president ever, but we really could've done a lot worse.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2007, 01:30:55 AM
He created AIDS, hated blacks, and set 911 into motion!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 20, 2007, 01:31:53 AM
He created AIDS, hated blacks, and set 911 into motion!

Not that there's anything wrong with any of those things.  Don't forget he invented crack.

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Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2007, 02:32:43 AM
hay guys, what's going on in here?
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: drozmight on April 20, 2007, 02:34:28 AM
 :lol

I don't know much of anything about Reagan, other than he sold tow missles to Iran, escalated Nixon's war on drugs, used to be a movie star I guess, and started the whole, let's talk to Americans like children thing. Almost all the president's do this thing now where it's like they're sitting you down for a talk and he's your dad.

...or not, I donno. It's just something that annoys me.

The Greatest American should be ol' Ben Frank. That guy seemed awesome.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 02:36:34 AM
hay guys, what's going on in here?

The same thing that goes on in every thread!
Title: I don't know much about history...
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2007, 03:05:26 AM
Blacks started shifting party allegiance from the GOP to the Democratic Party during the 1930's, and blacks in America have a pretty good track record of sussing out who's trying to screw them over and who isn't.  (Wisdom of crowds (http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Crowds-Collective-Economies-Societies/dp/0385503865), lol)
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2007, 04:03:13 AM
Interesting note: my grandad fought in WWII, and he said that when it was announced that FDR had passed allthe black soldiers around him began crying. The thing I found interesting is that he remembered being the only black solidier in his regiment who was originally from the south. I don't know about the level of political awareness among blacks at that time, but I'm willing to bet that if you were a black sharecropper (and many were at that time) in 1935 you certainly weren't happy with FDR.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Bloodwake on April 20, 2007, 02:20:24 PM
FDR FTW.

PD FTL.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2007, 02:25:58 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2007, 02:38:32 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Yeti on April 20, 2007, 02:57:33 PM
(http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms322801/evilbore/fdroverrated.gif)
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2007, 03:12:14 PM
but I'm willing to bet that if you were a black sharecropper (and many were at that time) in 1935 you certainly weren't happy with FDR.
This may your almost unheard of lack of love for FDR. He did a lot for the "white community" and kept them very happy. Basically everyone here is white, but still as you said most cried.

EVERYONE seemed to love FDR when he was president. My great-grandfather (both grandfathers fought in Korean war, far too young to fight in WWII) fought in WWII. But he was a racist and sexist dixie-crat from Texas.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 04:16:36 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but in fairness (why am I doing this, giant omnipotent space-fairy that I don't believe in?) I have completed more school than PD.  Last time I checked I had an IQ of 132, as well.  Oh, and I can interact with people in a social setting.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2007, 04:17:55 PM
Cheebs will give my social skills a review when we meet in a week
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2007, 06:44:49 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2007, 06:53:03 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 07:19:28 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.

Yeah, that's just for a large single store, too.  I probably could be managing multiple units for somewhere in the mid 40s, but it's soooo not worth it.  Anytime anything goes wrong at like 5 stores, you get a call.  Anytime someone has a bitchy customer, you get a call.  And you have to work like 60 hours a week.  Totally not worth it.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 20, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
You can make a killing in retail if you're willing to invest the time.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 20, 2007, 07:24:00 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 20, 2007, 07:24:52 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :lol
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 20, 2007, 07:25:42 PM
But that's the low spectrum of things.  I know friends that make that much as just assistant manager-type positions.  Managers in various retail outlets can make a crapton.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2007, 07:28:13 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :-*
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 20, 2007, 07:38:31 PM
Hey, a manager in a high-traffic Target store can make six figures a year.  On the other hand, you at least need a MBA for that type of position.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mupepe on April 20, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
But that's the low spectrum of things.  I know friends that make that much as just assistant manager-type positions.  Managers in various retail outlets can make a crapton.
A regional manager at Mcdonalds in a major metro area can make 90k a year.  that's my dream  :drool 

I told Julia to quit school and stay crackin' at McDonalds.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 20, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
But that's the low spectrum of things.  I know friends that make that much as just assistant manager-type positions.  Managers in various retail outlets can make a crapton.
A regional manager at Mcdonalds in a major metro area can make 90k a year.  that's my dream  :drool 

I told Julia to quit school and stay crackin' at McDonalds.


 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2007, 07:53:55 PM
Yeah, I know a few people who moved up the chain to become regional retail or restaurant managers.  Good money and benefits, but none of them were close to happy or content with the actual work itself.  Most of them have quit to take lower-paying jobs that don't make them (as) miserable.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 07:57:35 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :-*

Dick.  I was pointing out that one can make a semi-decent wage without having a degree.  I still plan on getting one.

And don't denigrate retail- sure it sucks, but with America moving towards a service oriented economy, retail will just keep getting bigger.  At least until the water and gas riots start!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Oblivion on April 20, 2007, 09:34:06 PM
It'd be nice to get my BA in History and be done with it, but seeing as how that's not very useful, I unfortunately have to go all the way (or at least with a Master's) to be a college instructor. :-\
 
But hey, I like teaching, and history was always an interesting subject, so I don't mind too much. The other reason is that I've heard most game designers are had degrees in history, which sorta makes sense since it would be useful to know some shit that you could tie in with the games you're working on. Yeah, yeah, the odds of getting such a job is pretty rare, but that's why I have a backup plan.

You aren't gonna be a game designer off the bat. Good luck with that.

Of course. That's why i said the odds of getting such a job is pretty rare, silly.  :-*
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Oblivion on April 20, 2007, 09:44:41 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :-*

Dick.  I was pointing out that one can make a semi-decent wage without having a degree.  I still plan on getting one.

And don't denigrate retail- sure it sucks, but with America moving towards a service oriented economy, retail will just keep getting bigger.  At least until the water and gas riots start!

Most definitely. In fact, one could sometimes make even more than one with a college degree. But of course, the drawback is that you'd be miserable since you'd be doing stuff that hardly anybody else wants. I do customer service, and the pay is decent, but I'd easily take a few dollars demotion to work in something that doesn't involve people constantly yelling at me.
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: TVC15 on April 20, 2007, 09:58:59 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :-*

Dick.  I was pointing out that one can make a semi-decent wage without having a degree.  I still plan on getting one.

And don't denigrate retail- sure it sucks, but with America moving towards a service oriented economy, retail will just keep getting bigger.  At least until the water and gas riots start!
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Yes, Triumph, you are at the mercy of the invisible hand of the market.  WORSHIP IT!  WORSHIP THE ALL-KNOWING MARKET!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2007, 10:06:35 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :-*

Dick.  I was pointing out that one can make a semi-decent wage without having a degree.  I still plan on getting one.

And don't denigrate retail- sure it sucks, but with America moving towards a service oriented economy, retail will just keep getting bigger.  At least until the water and gas riots start!
\
Yes, Triumph, you are at the mercy of the invisible hand of the market.  WORSHIP IT!  WORSHIP THE ALL-KNOWING MARKET!

NO!  YOU'RE NOT MY FATHER!!!
Title: Re: Triumph, are you a history major or something?
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2007, 11:04:28 PM
Triumph, I'm actually quite surprised you didn't finish college. I always assumed you did man. Goes to show that college (or school in general) means jack shit when pin pointing one's intelligence. I mean look at PD.

Yeah, but his case certainly isn't encouraging for one's prospects for employment-related success without a college degree :P

Dude, I could totally be making in the mid to upper 30s if I didn't fucking hate retail.  Not that it's a good field or anything, but that's certainly decent money for someone who has no debt or car payment.

Wow, upper 30s, eh? I take it back then.
I sense a lot of sarcasm in this post :rofl :rofl :rofl

 :-*

Dick.  I was pointing out that one can make a semi-decent wage without having a degree.  I still plan on getting one.


Now now, don't hate me because I'm graduating...  :-*