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Title: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 06, 2007, 06:03:07 AM
It's like he's a stock character from an anime or something. I am vaguely offended that our cultural stereotypes of Japanese people are being spoiled by cartoons.  give me the more informed, less racist Japanese portrayals of Japanese people from Gilligan's Island episodes any day.  At least they don't yell all the god damned time.  Fuck Heroes and its bad racist writers.
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Post by: Mupepe on May 06, 2007, 06:28:16 AM
:bow :bow
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Post by: TVC15 on May 06, 2007, 07:23:28 AM
Also, how did the Glasses Wearing Dude know what date his cheerleader adopted daughter would die?  As far as I know, there was no plot prompt that told him when she would die (especially since, well, no one else on the show knew when she would die, so there's no way anyone could have told him).  So he basically makes the painter do heroin because he knows something that writing-wise, he knows something that it's impossible to know?

The writing in this show sucks shit.  I can't believe so many people drool over it.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Mupepe on May 06, 2007, 07:34:26 AM
Himuro is a habitual masturbator of this show.  I'm not surprised though.  He has bad taste all around.
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Post by: Ichirou on May 06, 2007, 11:31:40 AM
This show has Ali Larter in it, who is pretty fuckin' sexy.
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Post by: Himu on May 06, 2007, 11:38:42 AM
Its true and everyone knows it. We like it despite all this. PS Ed your ass is mine!
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Post by: Ichirou on May 06, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
Oh shit, Mupepe...

 :rapetime

Never has this emoticon seemed more appropriate.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2007, 03:11:15 PM
At least I have good taste in men.  >:(
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Post by: Ichirou on May 07, 2007, 01:42:46 AM
At least I have good taste in men.  >:(

My taste in men runs toward black men with giant penises that rest on their knees.  :-*
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 01:57:35 AM
Another instance of the shitty writing:

Episode:  Homecoming

Micah is telling his dad about the Nikki/Jessica split personality for the first time, judging by his dad's responses.  If this is the case, what the fuck was the secret Micah told his dad several episodes ago that lead him to confront Nikki because he suddenly knew everything about her killing his crew and stealing the money? 

The show gets worse and worse.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:05:58 AM
There's only 3 episodes left, by then you will have run out of stuff to WHINE about.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 02:08:25 AM
There's only 3 episodes left, by then you will have run out of stuff to WHINE about.

I'm only on episode 9.  If they fuck up the Christopher Eccleston stuff, I will ditch it fast though.  PS Spaced rocks.
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Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:09:21 AM
u should msg me and we can talk spced
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 02:10:18 AM
u should msg me and we can talk spced

I only watched the first episode.  I will watch more when I go to bed.  Naked.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:12:33 AM
Do you think Simon is hot bleached?
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 02:20:41 AM
Do you think Simon is hot bleached?

Yes, he is totally hot.  He was bleached in his Doctor Who episode, too.
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Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:25:42 AM
TOO BAD NICK IS HOTTER

WOOF

WOOF

WOOF
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Ichirou on May 07, 2007, 02:26:14 AM
TOO BAD NICK IS HOTTER

WOOF

WOOF

WOOF

Nick is kind of like a bear, isn't he?  All he needs is to let his beard grow.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 02:26:25 AM
Too bad he's not gay!
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Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:27:14 AM

Nick is kind of like a bear, isn't he?  All he needs is to let his beard grow.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/hyperdrive/images/gallery/1/396/henderson.jpg)

WOOF

WOOF
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Post by: Ichirou on May 07, 2007, 02:33:03 AM
I only recently became aware of what the term "bear" meant thanks to Demi, and I realized - my uncle is one.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:34:07 AM
I only recently became aware of what the term "bear" meant thanks to Demi, and I realized - my uncle is one.

PM me a pic, please.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Ichirou on May 07, 2007, 02:38:11 AM
lol, no.  But I think he's pretty randy.  When I stayed over at his place one time, I found a huge stash of gay porno mags in the room I was staying in.  :lol
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Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:38:29 AM
OMG, please send me a pic.
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Post by: Ichirou on May 07, 2007, 02:40:36 AM
He's too old for you and he has a partner (who is also a bear, I guess).  They are in a motorcycle club and I've seen pictures of them around the house wearing leather outfits looking like the biker from the Village People.  :o
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 02:47:18 AM
Well lemme see him at least.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 02:49:43 AM
Another plot hole in Homecoming:

How did Mohinder's dad manage to identify the Heroes when some of them hadn't even shown their powers at the time of his death?  Was he psychic?  For example, Hiro does not show any power before Mohinder's father is dead.

Similarly, Nathan is on the list, and he has kept his power a closely guarded secret.  Also, Niki had given no indication of her power to anyone but (presumably) Micah at the time of the death of Mohinder's father, so again, there was no way he could have known about it.  DL, I guess his power could presumably been discovered via prison guards or something.

I have found writing problems with every single episode of this show.  Was this POS written by first timers or something?  Did they not have proof readers?
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Post by: Ichirou on May 07, 2007, 02:50:14 AM
I don't have any pictures here and I dunno if he's closeted at his workplace or whatever (though I don't think so), so I'm not gonna.

He's my uncle and I love him a lot.  I remember not being really surprised when I realized he was gay, and now thanks to demi I've realized that there's actually different classifications for gay people and he falls neatly into one of them.  :lol
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Post by: max_cool on May 07, 2007, 05:04:34 AM
I've seen 2 episodes of Heroes and I can say with out a doubt that I will not be watching it, if I have a choice, ever again. Just terrible predictable plot lines that rely on pathos far too much. It's almost like a sappy teen-drama one would see on the WB but not quite.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 09:47:54 AM
He yells only when he's in a position that most people would be shot in or kicked out of a place for, most people would.

Cheerleader's dad knows because somebody tells him the words "claire cheerleader texas" or he connects the dots in Isaac's paintings.

Micah didn't realize that she had a split personality which made her a murderer.

Heroes are known based on the blood donations that they gave which  the Human Genome Project does use and he looks for who it would be passed onto based on certain characteristics.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 11:00:29 AM
Try not to take the fun out of everything, jeez
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 12:24:48 PM
He yells only when he's in a position that most people would be shot in or kicked out of a place for, most people would.

No, he yells all the time.  He will yell at the end of a sentence whenever he gets excited.  Like he does every 10 seconds.  He is an anime stereotype and that is shockingly offensive.


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Cheerleader's dad knows because somebody tells him the words "claire cheerleader texas" or he connects the dots in Isaac's paintings.

Again, he knew nothing that would give him any indication that she would die at the homecoming game.  The only painting that indicated that she would die precisely at the homecoming game is the one Nathan destroyed, and which only Nathan, Peter, and that, uh, other chick had seen.

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Micah didn't realize that she had a split personality which made her a murderer.

If that's the case, then what did he tell his father that made him go so apeshit that he'd openly use his power?

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Heroes are known based on the blood donations that they gave which  the Human Genome Project does use and he looks for who it would be passed onto based on certain characteristics.

I guess I haven't gotten to this yet.

There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.
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Post by: lordmaji on May 07, 2007, 03:16:04 PM
Hrmmm, They don't yell all the time?
 :-\
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 03:17:49 PM
Lordmaji, TVC is prone to hyperbole.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 04:07:23 PM
No, he yells all the time.  He will yell at the end of a sentence whenever he gets excited.  Like he does every 10 seconds.  He is an anime stereotype and that is shockingly offensive.
He yells to have fun.  He's a comic freak from a strict japanese father, it's really just to make fun of his idea of a hero.
Again, he knew nothing that would give him any indication that she would die at the homecoming game.  The only painting that indicated that she would die precisely at the homecoming game is the one Nathan destroyed, and which only Nathan, Peter, and that, uh, other chick had seen.
Maybe he makes Isaac do heroine just to see the future.  It seemed like he knew at the time that his daughter had some sort of powers.
If that's the case, then what did he tell his father that made him go so apeshit that he'd openly use his power?
That she split bodies open?  They don't know that it's another personality doing it.
There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.
They don't save Charlie because she has a brain anuerysm and there's no point saving her (it's really not that useful of a power for sylar anyways and they have no way of killing him).
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 04:14:55 PM
There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.
The future that Hiro experiences cannot be changed, but the future that gets painted can.  Hiro actually travels through time, whereas the painter merely has premonitions.   I'm not sure why that is so much of a stretch.

Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though.  If you applied this level of scrutiny to Dr. Who I imagine it'd fall apart even faster.  Not to say that the writing is great or anything though.
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 04:16:13 PM
double post
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Post by: Mupepe on May 07, 2007, 04:17:04 PM
i'll double post you
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 04:36:05 PM
There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.
The future that Hiro experiences cannot be changed, but the future that gets painted can.  Hiro actually travels through time, whereas the painter merely has premonitions.   I'm not sure why that is so much of a stretch.

Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though.  If you applied this level of scrutiny to Dr. Who I imagine it'd fall apart even faster.  Not to say that the writing is great or anything though.

Doctor Who isn't a dramatic serial.  I'll give a light-hearted show slack, especially when it's hardly doing anything seriously.  And I don't know whose posts you have been reading:  I criticize Doctor Who all the damned time.  Especially the past few episodes.

Also, the show does have its entertaining bits, but it's just embarrassing to see what you're expected to swallow to get to them.
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Post by: demi on May 07, 2007, 04:39:21 PM
I uploaded that video, /msg me when you get a chance.
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 05:11:47 PM
I criticize Doctor Who all the damned time.  Especially the past few episodes.
I didn't say that you were not critical of Doctor Who, just that it wasn't the same sort of criticism.  Your Who complaints just have to do with characters, themes and the direction of certain plotlines, but it rarely seems to be put through this sort of scrutiny (where you look directly at the show's logic and plot holes).  I haven't kept up with watching the new Who though so I haven't been reading threads about it either.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 05:16:19 PM
I criticize Doctor Who all the damned time.  Especially the past few episodes.
Not to say that you don't criticize Dr. Who for just having doubt themes and concepts, but it rarely seems to be put through this sort of scrutiny (where you look directly at the show's logic and plot holes).  I haven't kept up with watching the new Who though so I haven't been reading threads about it either.

Doctor Who's logic and plot holes are largely forgivable, because it's not a drama, nor a serial that relies on consistent writing.  For an episodic show, each episode is internally.  Being consistent with every episode of the series, with over 700 episodes, is impossible.  You can't really compare the writing in the two shows because they both have different goals.  Doctor Who aims to tell light-hearted, self-contained stories.  Heroes aims to tell a season-length narrative.  Doctor Who is (generally) consistent in hitting its goal, Heroes is not.

I'm sure every long running episodic scifi show, from Star Trek to TNG to Doctor Who to whatever, has plot holes when you compare individual eps.  The thing is, that's usually okay for shows like that.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 05:41:50 PM
it is Doctor Who as well so gives a fuck about consistency.

Comnparing Doctor Who to Heroes is like comparing Night Court to Dynasty.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 05:52:38 PM
It is also ludicous to say

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Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though. 

Which is complete bullshit.  I paid for the series on iTunes.  Do you think I'd spend 40 bucks on something I had already determined I wouldn't like?  Talk to Patel, he will confirm that I liked the first 3 establishing episodes, and that although I was noticing problems, I wasn't writing off the show yet.

It was only once I got to episode 6 that I truly soured on the show.  That was the breaking point.  The writing wasn't improving at all, and here on ep 11, it's still not.  Sorry Border, think what you'd like, but this show isn't just hastily and badly written, it is downright poor, and NBC or whomever should be ashamed that something with so mnay obvious writing problems is out on the market.  Actually, they're probably too busy laughing to the bank to be ashamed.

Yes, I was warned of the problems before I started, but everyone (except my beloved Patel) said things got better as it went along.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
Maybe you're not watching the same show that everyone else is?
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 06:09:24 PM
Maybe you're not watching the same show that everyone else is?

Unless iTunes is selling Heroes: The Extra Poorly Written Version, I doubt that.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 06:11:02 PM
Well dude, I know that the masses are often asses.... but it seems like there's quite a few television watchers that would disagree.

I do think you're going over the damn thing with a fine tooth comb, looking for something to bitch about. Maybe to get the people who genuinely like the series to rethink themselves? I think that's kinda shitty, personally.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 06:15:35 PM
Well dude, I know that the masses are often asses.... but it seems like there's quite a few television watchers that would disagree.

I do think you're going over the damn thing with a fine tooth comb, looking for something to bitch about. Maybe to get the people who genuinely like the series to rethink themselves? I think that's kinda shitty, personally.

I'm not going over it with a fine toothed comb.  I have only watched each episode once, and in some cases I have gone back a few episodes to watch some scenes to make sure that I was not imagining an issue.

And what's wrong with asking people to put a little thought into what they are watching?  If people did that, and voted with television ratings, maybe 24 wouldn't have turned into the piece of shit it has in its more recent seasons.  People shouldn't be settling for the lowest common denominator just because it manages to be coherent despite all of its problems.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 06:19:01 PM
And what's wrong with asking people to put a little thought into what they are watching?  If people did that, and voted with television ratings, maybe 24 wouldn't have turned into the piece of shit it has in its more recent seasons.  People shouldn't be settling for the lowest common denominator just because it manages to be coherent despite all of its problems.


As an ex-24 watcher, that show has ALWAYS been shit. I kinda rode with it at first because it was new and I'm always following whatever Lou Diamond Phillips is into, but after 6 years of shitty, make-it-up-as-we-go-along plotting, I give up.

THAT's why I like Heroes. It's not perfect, sure - see all of your points - but you can tell that the writers have a PLAN. Unlike 24, unlike Lost.

It bristles me to think that you feel people like the show due to its appeal to the "lowest common denominator". Which is why I keep responding, instead of just rolling my eyes, shrugging and thinking "oh, White Man is just hating (h8ing) again"
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 06:21:10 PM
Lowest common denominator was a bit harsh.  I hear 24 is having a particularly bad season this year.

I enjoyed the first two seasons of 24.  It was pretty much the birth of the new area of serialized TV, so I am sure I looked over a lot of things.  It probably helps that I have not viewed the first two seasons since they originally aired.
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Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
The show's ideas to sound weird at points but you get over that by around the second season when the story gets much better.  It seemed like the first season was all about setting the second season up.  The show starts to get much more deep with characters you didn't like getting killed and the whole New World Order thing getting set up.  The story starts to be less about the characters and more about the character's unreasonable responsibilities and how they change the more they know.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 06:28:20 PM
Wow, it looks like am nintenho is a precog.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 06:35:35 PM
Yeah, tell us more about Season 2, Tim am nintendho
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Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 06:38:24 PM
I was under the impression that it just finished the second season.

I have no idea how long a television show's season is supposed to be.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 06:38:43 PM
FWIW, Fallout is the first episode I've watched that doesn't have any jump out at me problems.
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Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 06:42:10 PM
Yeah the story stops introducing characters there and actually takes off.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 07:14:46 PM
Do Niki/Jessica, DL, and Micah ever have anything to do with the main plot?  Because I hate them all.
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Post by: Himu on May 07, 2007, 07:21:31 PM
Do Niki/Jessica, DL, and Micah ever have anything to do with the main plot?  Because I hate them all.

I think we all hate Niki/Jessica, but DL and Micah are okay. As far as I know, aside from messing with Linderman and Nick, no. It wasn't until the episode before the last one where they finally get introduced into the main plot thread.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 07:21:35 PM
And how did Hiro know his sword was in NYC, based off a drawing from Isaac?  Is there an online db of swords that will tell you where every sword in the world can be located?
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Post by: Himu on May 07, 2007, 07:22:36 PM
And how did Hiro know his sword was in NYC, based off a drawing from Isaac?  Is there an online db of swords that will tell you where every sword in the world can be located?

Well it's a famous sword. Plus, it's a tv series. When you watch sci fi movies do you go batshit when they're able to hack into alien technology?
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 07:30:24 PM
And how did Hiro know his sword was in NYC, based off a drawing from Isaac?  Is there an online db of swords that will tell you where every sword in the world can be located?

Well it's a famous sword. Plus, it's a tv series. When you watch sci fi movies do you go batshit when they're able to hack into alien technology?

He tracked down a specific sword, to a specific museum in a specific city based off of this:

(http://www.indarktrees.com/pics/sword.jpg)

Note that you can not even see the symbol on the handle that he apparently uses to track the sword.
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 07:34:44 PM
It is also ludicous to say

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Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though. 

Which is complete bullshit.  I paid for the series on iTunes.  Do you think I'd spend 40 bucks on something I had already determined I wouldn't like?  Talk to Patel, he will confirm that I liked the first 3 establishing episodes, and that although I was noticing problems, I wasn't writing off the show yet.

It's my experience that when people are nitpicking logistical plotholes of a film or television series, they're mostly just looking for something to criticize for the sake of justifying their own distaste or riling other people up.  You're also demanding answers to questions that could be explained later on, which seems like kind of an unfair onus to put on the writing staff .  That plus the troll-y thread title lead me to a perhaps unfair conclusion.

For the record though, I told you you wouldn't like Heroes much :P  You said you liked characters and writing, and the series really doesn't excel with either of those.

Are you reading the comics, btw?  They apparently explain a good deal more of what goes on.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
It is also ludicous to say

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Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though. 

Which is complete bullshit.  I paid for the series on iTunes.  Do you think I'd spend 40 bucks on something I had already determined I wouldn't like?  Talk to Patel, he will confirm that I liked the first 3 establishing episodes, and that although I was noticing problems, I wasn't writing off the show yet.

It's my experience that when people are nitpicking logistical plotholes of a film or television series, they're mostly just looking for something to criticize for the sake of justifying their own distaste or riling other people up.  You're also demanding answers to questions that could be explained later on, which seems like kind of an unfair onus to put on the writing staff .  That plus the troll-y thread title lead me to a perhaps unfair conclusion.

Actually, I've been picking my battles and only complaining about things that are unlikely to be explained further on.  Like I said, I gave this show a fair shot.  The trolly title was a joke. . until I started actually recognizing problems with the episode I was watching at the time. 

Note that very few of my nitpicks have to do with Sylar and the Glasses dude, for example.  I have questions, but they can still be answered.  characters spontaneously knowing things they could not possibly know. . .that can't be explained.

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For the record though, I told you you wouldn't like Heroes much :P  You said you liked characters and writing, and the series really doesn't excel with either of those.

Enough people told me otherwise that I figured I'd give it a chance.  It's a tempting idea for a show, and I figured that maybe the people complaining just didn't grok superhero shit.  I thought they were complaing about things like ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR MAN TO EVOLVE TO FLY!

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Are you reading the comics, btw?  They apparently explain a good deal more of what goes on.

No. I only buy collected TPBs.
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Post by: Himu on May 07, 2007, 07:40:19 PM
The comics are silly. They have a lot of story info that's not in the show in there.
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 07:46:36 PM
No. I only buy collected TPBs.
They are all free online as PDFs, from the show website.  I doubt that there will be a TPB, but it'd be cool if there was since the art is much better than what you'd expect from a free promotional comic.

Not that it'll make you like the show much more, but people in the GAF threads that were complaining about missing stuff (eg: where does Wifi girl go?) have had those questions answered in the comics.  I've only read the recent run that covers Wifi girl and the time that the Malcom McDowell guy spent in Vietnam, but it made me want to read more...
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 07:50:03 PM
No. I only buy collected TPBs.
They are all free online as PDFs, from the show website.  I doubt that there will be a TPB, but it'd be cool if there was since the art is much better than what you'd expect from a free promotional comic.

Not that it'll make you like the show much more, but people in the GAF threads that were complaining about missing stuff (eg: where does Wifi girl go?) have had those questions answered in the comics.  I've only read the recent run that covers Wifi girl and the time that the Malcom McDowell guy spent in Vietnam, but it made me want to read more...

I think you'll understand that for whatever reason, I wouldn't be sold on the comics answering my questions.  And that's not a slant on Heroes, it's a slant on television shows and movies for decades having non-canonical comics and novels and what not.  I've been trained that only the main medium is canon.  Again, nothing against Heroes, I say the same thing for Doctor Who.  And Night Court.

But still, if I get bored enough maybe I will track them down and throw em on my Zen.

EDIT:  Also, I would not dare to read a Heroes thread on GAF.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
Well, the comics are written by the show's writers and producers.  It's not like some crap Dr. Who novel that got farmed out to a B-list hack sci-fi writer to make a quick buck.  If the showrunners want them to be considered canon, I don't see why they shouldn't be. 
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 08:11:37 PM
Well, the comics are written by the show's writers and producers.  It's not like some crap Dr. Who novel that got farmed out to a B-list hack sci-fi writer to make a quick buck.  If the showrunners want them to be considered canon, I don't see why they shouldn't be. 

Most of the Doctor Who novels are written by show writers, too.  But they aren't televised.  This season, one of the books is being adapted for television though.

It's just a thing. . .if it's not in the main medium, it's not canon.  This isn't just a Heroes thing.
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 08:33:27 PM
It's just a thing. . .if it's not in the main medium, it's not canon.  This isn't just a Heroes thing.

Is this your personal take, or just a geek-law that I never picked up on?  It was my assumption that canon can be whatever the creator designates......or does it only become canon when the "main medium" adopts the continuity of the supplemental works?
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 08:35:28 PM
It's just a thing. . .if it's not in the main medium, it's not canon.  This isn't just a Heroes thing.

Is this your personal take, or just a geek-law that I never picked up on?  It was my assumption that canon can be whatever the creator designates......or does it only become canon when the "main medium" adopts the continuity of the supplemental works?

Consider it geek law, I suppose.  Boba Fett escaping the Sarlacc Pit and what not.
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Post by: border on May 07, 2007, 08:39:06 PM
After the Star Wars prequels, I'm thinking we need to throw out that law and come up with something more merit-based :P

Does creator-involvement have any bearing on canon at all, then?  Like, what about all the Dune and Middle Earth stuff that isn't by Herbert or Tolkein?  Maybe we should consider Lucas1999 a different person than Lucas1977.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 08:40:51 PM
Does creator-involvement have any bearing on canon at all, then?  Like, what about all the Dune and Middle Earth stuff that isn't by Herbert or Tolkein?  Maybe we should consider Lucas1999 a different person than Lucas1977.

The way I see it, even if the original creator or writers from the show/movie have worked on other materials other than the "main" format, any material not chosen for the "main" is by exclusion, secondary at best or not good enough to run with the big dogs. 
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 08:44:36 PM
He finds the sword because he recognizes it's importance from a story he heard when he was a kid and Isaac's ex tells him where to get it.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 08:59:09 PM
IT'S CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON!  I ALMOST DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM AT FIRST!
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 09:02:38 PM
I'm sure you'll be more forgiving, now.

If you're still talking shit by the time you get to "Company Man", we're going to have words.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 09:07:59 PM
I'm sure you'll be more forgiving, now.

If you're still talking shit by the time you get to "Company Man", we're going to have words.

Fallout and Godsend haven't been as bad.  They really should have written Niki, DL, and Micah out of the show, though.  I have no doubt they will find a way to tie them into the store, but at this point, it's not because they logically fit into it, but because the writers just have to find a reason to tie all the stories together.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 09:09:57 PM
They really do have a big, BIG thing to do with the story.

I have no doubt they will find a way to tie them into the store, but at this point, it's not because they logically fit into it, but because the writers just have to find a reason to tie all the stories together.


Come on, dude - now you can see into the writers' thought process? You really are hating for the sake of H8ing.
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 09:14:03 PM
They really do have a big, BIG thing to do with the story.

I have no doubt they will find a way to tie them into the store, but at this point, it's not because they logically fit into it, but because the writers just have to find a reason to tie all the stories together.


Come on, dude - now you can see into the writers' thought process? You really are hating for the sake of H8ing.

If it's taken this long, more than half of the season, for the writers to find a way to merge their story into the main line, then yes, I'd consider it half-assed.

My prediction is that Linderman calls in a favor from DL that involves protecting either his paintings or the sword.  I am guessing Linderman is the big bad.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 09:17:12 PM
My prediction is that Linderman calls in a favor from DL that involves protecting either his paintings or the sword.  I am guessing Linderman is the big bad.



No. And also?

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:lol duder you're SO off.
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Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 09:18:30 PM
My prediction is that Linderman calls in a favor from DL that involves protecting either his paintings or the sword.  I am guessing Linderman is the big bad.


No. And also?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:lol duder you're SO off.
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Just a guess!  Don't laugh at me!
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2007, 09:26:24 PM
That's a huge flaw with Heroes, have to watch the first half to basically know why the fuck the character did what he did but you don't really get entertainment until the second half.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
I've made copies of all the 1st season's episodes and unlike you, *I* think the time the show got REALLY rad is when Claire woke up in the morgue. So she busted out of there flawlessly -  yo, she almost (and I think she really would've if NBC weren't pussies) killed her fucking wannabe rapist soon after that. I was pretty impressed with how far they pushed the retribution envelope for a mainstream teevee show (but I mean, come on. It's nothing like Omar on The Wire or David getting fucking tortured on Six Feet Under, but that's not teevee, that's HBO).

can you just try to be a little more... fuck, i don't know, FORGIVING of this show? if more serials were as well crafted as this show - despite the nitpicky flaws, yes - i would be a LOT happier with the state of mainstream teevee.

also, I would like The Amazing Race to start auditioning for some really lower-level human beings to play the fucking game instead of beauty queens and manufactured relationships, but that's because TAR is the one reality show I once had respect for (fuck a Survivor)
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Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 09:34:25 PM
I've made copies of all the 1st season's episodes and unlike you, *I* think the time the show got REALLY rad is when Claire woke up in the morgue.

Oddly enough, Corny, this is when I first became frustrated with the show.  No trolling, again, people I was talking with as I was watching this episode can back up that I was bitching about it in real time.

She wakes up in the morgue after the doctor leaves to answer the phone or whatever.  She puts on a white coat and. . .walks out?  Morgues have armed guards in hospitals.  How did she manage to escape?  The show skipped over a potentially interesting scenario for no reason, really.  The next time we see Claire, she is walking in the front door of her house several hours later.  Nothing interesting happened between her exiting the original morgue doors and her coming home?

I mean, that isn't a plot hole or anything, but it was willfully skipping over an interesting story.  At the end of the previous episode, I was amped to see how she was going to escape such a precarious situation, and instead they completely skipped it.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
She wakes up in the morgue after the doctor leaves to answer the phone or whatever.  She puts on a white coat and. . .walks out?  Morgues have armed guards in hospitals. 


For the record, I used to work at Scripps Clinic in Torrey Pines, CA (in case you want to Google it), working as an errand boy, basically, wheeling old people and the immobile to and fro the hospital. Sometimes that involved walking gurneys with dead folk into the morgue. There was a little keypad on the door to the morgue, and that was it, my man - no cameras or anything else that I saw, even.

But I know, anecdotal evidence FTL. IMO Claire could've totally busted out of there while the tech was taking a fat shit or diddling herself in the ladies' room. Nobody gives a shit once you're dead, dude.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: TVC15 on May 07, 2007, 09:46:17 PM
She wakes up in the morgue after the doctor leaves to answer the phone or whatever.  She puts on a white coat and. . .walks out?  Morgues have armed guards in hospitals. 


For the record, I used to work at Scripps Clinic in Torrey Pines, CA (in case you want to Google it), working as an errand boy, basically, wheeling old people and the immobile to and fro the hospital. Sometimes that involved walking gurneys with dead folk into the morgue. There was a little keypad on the door to the morgue, and that was it, my man - no cameras or anything else that I saw, even.

But I know, anecdotal evidence FTL. IMO Claire could've totally busted out of there while the tech was taking a fat shit or diddling herself in the ladies' room. Nobody gives a shit once you're dead, dude.

Even if that is the case, it's sort of anti-climactic that all there was to it was walking out and then walking home.  They even built the scenario into a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 07, 2007, 09:53:57 PM
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ THE COMIC BOOK / GRAPHIC NOVEL

dude, I don't know. yes, the writing is sloppy. BUT THEY HAVE A POINT

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even if it kinda rips off The Watchmen....
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....but then kinda doesn't
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2007, 11:10:50 PM
The problems are quite evident in the beginning.  The shit really starts to pick up a few episodes before Company Man, and then it turns into the best fucking two hours of sci-fi TV I've seen in a long as time with Company Man and the episode following that.

After Company Man, Bennet became my favorite character and he is STILL my favorite character.  TVC, once you get to Company Man, I'm fairly confident you'll at the least enjoy the show a lot more and actually be a fan of it.
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Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 08, 2007, 01:22:44 AM
I just want to say FUCK YOU WHITE MAN AKA GUY WITH THE DAVID BOWIE SONG NAME

Don't make me start fucking wondering why I like this show as I'm fucking watching it  >:(