Evolution is going on today all around us. To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
Evolution rocks, when do I get super powers though?
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.Define "God."
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.
Peace and love one another :)
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
What the fuck?
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.
Peace and love one another :)
What kind of question is,"Define God"?Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymous, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.
Peace and love one another :)
Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.
What kind of question is,"Define God"?Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.
So how can you determine which portions of the Bible are false and which are true? Which are to be lived by and followed, and which are to be disregarded either as myth or allegory? A fairy tale that teaches morals. I can't put my faith in a 2000 year old book that employs moral absolutes.So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.
Peace and love one another :)
Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.
There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.
The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
It always seemed to me like christians are fundamentally broken. They profess that everything is in god's plan, and people can't KNOW god's plan, but. . .
It's such a stretch to them to believe maybe god started evolution? Because it wasn't written specifically in the bible? What? Logic? distinguished mentally-challenged fellows MEET LOGIC PLS.
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth?
You don't believe Genesis to be allegory?
You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?
Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.
I don't understand how you can accept Christianity yet at the same time support evolution. You're saying Genesis was all complete horseshit? God didn't make earth in 7 days, women weren't made from Adam's spare rib, and all that? In my eyes all people like you are doing is modifying your beliefs so they still can work with whatever metaphysical and scientific advances and discoveries we have made. You can only ad hoc so much.What kind of question is,"Define God"?Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.
How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
I don't understand how you can accept Christianity yet at the same time support evolution. You're saying Genesis was all complete horseshit? God didn't make earth in 7 days, women weren't made from Adam's spare rib, and all that? In my eyes all people like you are doing is modifying your beliefs so they still can work with whatever metaphysical and scientific advances and discoveries we have made. You can only ad hoc so much.What kind of question is,"Define God"?Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.
How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
I'm very very closed minded, thus i dont pay any attention to some parts of scientist work or evolution. Everything i need to know, is located in the bible, period.Yeah, you pretty much ruined it here. No sane person would openly admit that their close mindedness is the reason they're ignorant enough to not educate themselves. Welcome to ignore my joke account friend.
The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
Uh, there is no evidence whatsoever supporting any religion. That's why it's called faith. The only thing you can say to support your religion is "Because the Bible says there is a God, we can assume it is truth as the Bible was inspired by God." And circular arguments are bullshit.I don't understand how you can accept Christianity yet at the same time support evolution. You're saying Genesis was all complete horseshit? God didn't make earth in 7 days, women weren't made from Adam's spare rib, and all that? In my eyes all people like you are doing is modifying your beliefs so they still can work with whatever metaphysical and scientific advances and discoveries we have made. You can only ad hoc so much.What kind of question is,"Define God"?Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.
How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
Or maybe it's beacuse there's enough evidence to support that evolution and the events in the bible were true?
Maybe if you're living in biblical times.The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
What sort of question is this? LOL , the Ten commandments is for all of us.
I don't know what the dead sea scrolls and such are at all.*blink*
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Maybe if you're living in biblical times.
So you believe in moral absolutism?Maybe if you're living in biblical times.
Well for us bible believers, we are still living in the bible times, just the later times.
So you believe in moral absolutism?
So how can you determine which portions of the Bible are false and which are true? Which are to be lived by and followed, and which are to be disregarded either as myth or allegory? A fairy tale that teaches morals. I can't put my faith in a 2000 year old book that employs moral absolutes.So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.
Peace and love one another :)
Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.
There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.
The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
The belief that there are moral standards everyone in the world must follow, regardless of culture and the time period. That the rules set forth by the Bible must be lived by now and forever, completely unchanging with the human race.
So you believe in moral absolutism?
I'm not understanding, what is that? I never heard that term before
You're saying a whole lot of nothing and dancing around the issue. Basically, what you're saying is everyone is saved, regardless of their sins? Then what's the point of reading the Bible? Why go to church? Why even believe in God? From what you say, a guy could go out and kill 6 people, be shot by the police, and still end up in Heaven because Jesus died for his sins. Gee, that's entirely pointless.So how can you determine which portions of the Bible are false and which are true? Which are to be lived by and followed, and which are to be disregarded either as myth or allegory? A fairy tale that teaches morals. I can't put my faith in a 2000 year old book that employs moral absolutes.So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.
I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.
Peace and love one another :)
Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.
There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.
The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
I never said that part was "false", or that any part was false. At the heart the bible is simply God communicating with man. It spans thousands of years, and while the particular doctrine changes, the message stays the same. This is best illistrated by the idea of salvation. What is salvation? To Noah, salvation meant that he was to build an Ark. If I went out and built an Ark, would I be saved from inpending doom? Of course not; God did not tell me to build an Ark.
When God gave man his (hundreds) of commandments, who did he give them too? He gave them to the nation of Israel, according to the Bible. Does that mean that today the Jews should follow 900+ laws? No. Once again according to the Bible, Jesus came to forgive man, and fufill the law. Where once salvation was only through the law, it was now through Jesus. Many Christians seem to forget this (or ignore it), but Jesus didn't preach a heavenly message. He preached an early message: repent and be baptized, for the Kingdom is at hand. Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and he offered the Kingdom of Heaven, which was to be created on the earth; in other words, he promised the earth to the Jews.
We know what happened. But once again according to the Bible, God once again gave man another chance. This time all men, Jews and Gentiles - through grace. It is now through Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection (NOT his earthly ministry) that we are saved. Now, do I have to keep the Sabbath to be saved, or sacrifice goats and sheep? No, Jesus was the final sacrifice, and through him we are all saved.
Now some would ask "does that give us a license to sin, since we don't have to follow laws to get to heaven..." The answer is no. While nothing you do will ever seperate you from salvation once you believe, your behavior is more important in the process of being a living testament. Don't lie because it is wrong and against God's word, not because if you do omg you'll go to hell.
And that's where fundamentalists are dead wrong. They suggest that you can lose your salvation, or that certain people can't gain it. That's a lie.
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He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.No, he's saying we all are already saved.
What I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.No, he's saying we all are already saved.
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
That right there is what bugs me. How can you do this? How can you say you believe it, but then say "Well, this part doesn't fit in my life, so I'm going to completely disregard it. However, it doesn't take away from the credibility of everything else I still do believe in." It feels like people pick and choose what they want to live their life like and then modify their beliefs to fit, making themselves happy by convincing themselves they're still Christian.QuoteWhat I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?
I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.No, he's saying we all are already saved.
No, he's not. He's saying that because of the final sacrifice, all people and not just Jews have the ability to become saved no matter what their past happens to be. This is wChristian knowledge. I don't understand how you get that interpretation. Either you're doing this to spite people who are religious or on accident, I don't know.
Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I misunderstood that part.He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
Exactly. I don't think you even payed attention to the post at all, Mute. I said that salvation is through believing in Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection. The idea that Jesus died is simply history. The idea that he died for your sins, and believing this brings salvation...is indeed salvation.
So with your example of someone killing 6 people, if this person later accepted Jesus (IE believed that he dief for his sins, was buried, and ressurected) for his justification, then yea he's going to heaven. If Hitler didn't kill himself in his bunker, and instead believed this, he would go to heaven and his sins would be forgiven.:rofl So salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
That right there is what bugs me. How can you do this? How can you say you believe it, but then say "Well, this part doesn't fit in my life, so I'm going to completely disregard it. However, it doesn't take away from the credibility of everything else I still do believe in." It feels like people pick and choose what they want to live their life like and then modify their beliefs to fit, making themselves happy by convincing themselves they're still Christian.QuoteWhat I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?
I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
So salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
But it should. You can't half-way believe in something. Even if the Ten Commandments and whatever other rules to live by are considered nothing more than guidelines, and salvation really is based off nothing other than faith and the acceptance of Christ, you're still willingly defying the word of God.That right there is what bugs me. How can you do this? How can you say you believe it, but then say "Well, this part doesn't fit in my life, so I'm going to completely disregard it. However, it doesn't take away from the credibility of everything else I still do believe in." It feels like people pick and choose what they want to live their life like and then modify their beliefs to fit, making themselves happy by convincing themselves they're still Christian.QuoteWhat I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?
I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
Because I believe in it does not mean it rules my life.
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
Exactly. I don't think you even payed attention to the post at all, Mute. I said that salvation is through believing in Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection. The idea that Jesus died is simply history. The idea that he died for your sins, and believing this brings salvation...is indeed salvation.
So with your example of someone killing 6 people, if this person later accepted Jesus (IE believed that he dief for his sins, was buried, and ressurected) for his justification, then yea he's going to heaven. If Hitler didn't kill himself in his bunker, and instead believed this, he would go to heaven and his sins would be forgiven.
Because it's ludicrous. I cannot put my faith in a being that judges people based on their acceptance of an apparent fairy tale. The very idea that our creator would judge us based on belief and acceptance is, again, irrational, which would in turn make God irrational. And I don't believe an irrational being could govern our Universe.Quote from: MuteSo salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
What? It's based on grace. Salvation is through one area, and that's Jesus Christ. How much you tithe, follow the law, or "repent" has nothing to do with getting saved. Likewise going out and murdering people has nothing to do with you not being saved. God forgives all as long as you follow his way of salvation, it's that simple. Why is that a problem? I think it's comforting knowing there's nothing I can do to save myself through my own works, or damn myself through my own works - it was done for me more than 2,000 years ago
But it should. You can't half-way believe in something. Even if the Ten Commandments and whatever other rules to live by are considered nothing more than guidelines, and salvation really is based off nothing other than faith and the acceptance of Christ, you're still willingly defying the word of God.
Then you're not religious. I leave the possibility of there being a creator, but there's not even a fraction of doubt in my mind that it (he?) is nothing like that presented in any religion, and is unknown to man. Our religions are unsatisfying, both logically and otherwise. Which is why I'll remain agnostic.But it should. You can't half-way believe in something. Even if the Ten Commandments and whatever other rules to live by are considered nothing more than guidelines, and salvation really is based off nothing other than faith and the acceptance of Christ, you're still willingly defying the word of God.
And why should I? I already stated before I am pretty much less than keen on organized religion and that I believe that there's a higher power out there. Just because I believe in God does not mean I am a standard Christian.
I never said I was religious, but I'm not agnostic either.I know, I'm just trying to make my point. But do you at least see where I stand? You can understand my viewpoint?
I understood it from the beginning. As long as you don't look down on me as a idiot who believe in irrational stuff your opinion is fine.Oh no, I don't blame anyone for believing there is a chance of creation by a higher being (even if that in it's self is a bit hard to swallow, or explain). I just don't understand the halfway, ad hoc stance that western religion has taken on. But there is a huge difference between believing in a god and believing in the traditional God.
Because it's ludicrous. I cannot put my faith in a being that judges people based on their acceptance of an apparent fairy tale. The very idea that our creator would judge us based on belief and acceptance is, again, irrational, which would in turn make God irrational. And I don't believe an irrational being could govern our Universe.Quote from: MuteSo salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
What? It's based on grace. Salvation is through one area, and that's Jesus Christ. How much you tithe, follow the law, or "repent" has nothing to do with getting saved. Likewise going out and murdering people has nothing to do with you not being saved. God forgives all as long as you follow his way of salvation, it's that simple. Why is that a problem? I think it's comforting knowing there's nothing I can do to save myself through my own works, or damn myself through my own works - it was done for me more than 2,000 years ago
I would hope that science would help people let go of their outdated faiths rather than simply modifying them so everything is all dandy and they can go on in life convinced that they're still religious. There's only so long the two can coexist.
"Who are we to judge the ways of God?" Yeah, I've never heard that before.Because it's ludicrous. I cannot put my faith in a being that judges people based on their acceptance of an apparent fairy tale. The very idea that our creator would judge us based on belief and acceptance is, again, irrational, which would in turn make God irrational. And I don't believe an irrational being could govern our Universe.Quote from: MuteSo salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
What? It's based on grace. Salvation is through one area, and that's Jesus Christ. How much you tithe, follow the law, or "repent" has nothing to do with getting saved. Likewise going out and murdering people has nothing to do with you not being saved. God forgives all as long as you follow his way of salvation, it's that simple. Why is that a problem? I think it's comforting knowing there's nothing I can do to save myself through my own works, or damn myself through my own works - it was done for me more than 2,000 years ago
Now you're stretching things. It seems to me like you have a clear agenda here. Who are you to declare a higher being to be irrational in the first place, assuming one exists?
So, you're saying we're all a sick joke created to fail. Alrighty then.Judging doesn't mean salvation. The very reason God gave the commandments was to prove that man couldn't keep them. You can't save yourself. In other words, your deeds have nothing to do with salvation - Jesus's deeds have everything to do with it.Because it's ludicrous. I cannot put my faith in a being that judges people based on their acceptance of an apparent fairy tale. The very idea that our creator would judge us based on belief and acceptance is, again, irrational, which would in turn make God irrational. And I don't believe an irrational being could govern our Universe.Quote from: MuteSo salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
What? It's based on grace. Salvation is through one area, and that's Jesus Christ. How much you tithe, follow the law, or "repent" has nothing to do with getting saved. Likewise going out and murdering people has nothing to do with you not being saved. God forgives all as long as you follow his way of salvation, it's that simple. Why is that a problem? I think it's comforting knowing there's nothing I can do to save myself through my own works, or damn myself through my own works - it was done for me more than 2,000 years ago
And I still don't see how anyone can believe in both. *shrug*I would hope that science would help people let go of their outdated faiths rather than simply modifying them so everything is all dandy and they can go on in life convinced that they're still religious. There's only so long the two can coexist.
I still don't see the problem with believing in both at all.
I never suggested we were a "sick joke" created to fail. I'm quite the cynical contrarian, but come on dude. ::)But it's what you said nonetheless. In my eyes, creation of a species to purposely manipulate their existence and chances of survival is indeed a sick joke.
Many people would like to believe they "deserve" to go to heaven over others based strictly on their works. It's basic human instint. The idea that god levels the playing ground and gives everyone an equal chance to attain salvation may make some feel not as important as they would if they knew salvation was attained through their own actions. I get that. But at the end of the day salvation isn't about you, or me. It's about Jesus Christ.
Oh shit, I see that I need to start new poll that U2K Tha Lame$t has returned.Whose joke character is he?
Come on Pee Dee, don't ditch me now. At least clarify how you justify your stance.
Yes, I know. But how can you accept that?Come on Pee Dee, don't ditch me now. At least clarify how you justify your stance.
I've clarified it, what else is there to say? The Bible makes it pretty clear that salvation is only though Jesus Christ, not one's own works. Stalin's salvation would be guarenteed just as much as Ghandi's, MLK's, or anyone elses if he accepted Christ as his savior.
Ever heard of Paul? He was responsible for the murder and imprisonment of many Jews, yet was chosen to be God's last apostle. It's grace.
Yes, I know. But how can you accept that?Come on Pee Dee, don't ditch me now. At least clarify how you justify your stance.
I've clarified it, what else is there to say? The Bible makes it pretty clear that salvation is only though Jesus Christ, not one's own works. Stalin's salvation would be guarenteed just as much as Ghandi's, MLK's, or anyone elses if he accepted Christ as his savior.
Ever heard of Paul? He was responsible for the murder and imprisonment of many Jews, yet was chosen to be God's last apostle. It's grace.
There very well might be some sort of god. There pretty much is evolution. At this point it's just one more thing you can't explain.
Has she?There very well might be some sort of god. There pretty much is evolution. At this point it's just one more thing you can't explain.
Then why make definitive statements on it?
Evolution is going on today all around us. To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
The lifespan of a moth is a few months. So over one human generation you can have 50 or so generations of moths. That's why a random mutation could spread quicker in moths than humans.
Pink and yellow would not give the moths any added benefit in that particular environment so the trait for pink color would not be selected for. YOU KNOW WHAT NATURAL SELECTION IS, RIGHT?
The old giraffe story was part of Lamarckism.
COME ON!
QuoteEvolution is going on today all around us. To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
Sounds pretty definitive to me
No, the white moths still survived, but just moved. I need to get the name and look it up.I meant that most of the white moths died out. You must be thinking of the peppered moth of Northern England.
Basically, do you still think we should stone rapists to death?
What's wrong with accepting it? If people learn their lessons and become good people, yeah I don't care about their past either. None of my business.Because
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What's wrong with accepting it? If people learn their lessons and become good people, yeah I don't care about their past either. None of my business.Because
A. You can be a good person without religion
B. How the fuck is it fair to let people in to heaven if they are murderers? "Well, they killed 221 people on Earth, but since he accepted and believed in Jesus, it's all good."
I'm the only one that sees any problem in this at all?
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Corncat proves evolution because cats didn't always eat corn. F U GOD!
But it's true.QuoteEvolution is going on today all around us. To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
Sounds pretty definitive to me
I think you are talking about theistic evolution and not creationism. One can believe that God started the process of evolution however there is no scientific reason to believe this is the case. There is no reason to believe that an intelligent agent is guiding the process of evolution. I would say that it is very unlikely that an omni-benevolent God would create a process which is so amoral and leads to so much suffering.But it's true.QuoteEvolution is going on today all around us. To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
Sounds pretty definitive to me
Btw, can anyone at all even give me a response to this? http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=8029.msg208487#msg208487
I don't think you're understanding what I'm asking. Evolution is nothing more then the tracing of genetic changes over the course of billions of years from species evolved from single-cell organisms, right? Where did these single cell organisms come from? They just...appeared? I'm trying to understand how scientists like Hawking can be so confident in saying our world could exist without the hand of any greater being when we haven't even determined where the hell this all came from anyway.I think you are talking about theistic evolution and not creationism. One can believe that God started the process of evolution however there is no scientific reason to believe this is the case. There is no reason to believe that an intelligent agent is guiding the process of evolution. I would say that it is very unlikely that an omni-benevolent God would create a process which is so amoral and leads to so much suffering.But it's true.QuoteEvolution is going on today all around us. To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
Sounds pretty definitive to me
Btw, can anyone at all even give me a response to this? http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=8029.msg208487#msg208487
B. How the fuck is it fair to let people in to heaven if they are murderers? "Well, they killed 221 people on Earth, but since he accepted and believed in Jesus, it's all good."
I'm the only one that sees any problem in this at all?
Change your name back. These namechanges are gay.I don't wanna have to pay for this. I don't want another lover at my door. It's just another heartache on my list. I don't wanna be angry no more. You know I could never stand for this. So when you tell me that you love me, know for sure. I don't wanna be lonely anymore.
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Corncat proves evolution because cats didn't always eat corn. F U GOD!
Uhh. Read the thread.Quote from: Candyflip
B. How the fuck is it fair to let people in to heaven if they are murderers? "Well, they killed 221 people on Earth, but since he accepted and believed in Jesus, it's all good."
I'm the only one that sees any problem in this at all?
I'm just wondering where you have heard this. What I know is, if you kill that many people you don't go to heaven at all. Who told you that 'accepting Jesus' gives you a license to commit crimes?
I never said accepting Jesus gives you "license" to kill people. Your argument there is so forced that it doesn't deserve anymore responses honestly.Forced how? There's nothing false about anything I said.
At the end of the day salvation is about grace and forgiveness, not your particular goodness.
Has this whole athiesm/christianity argument going on for a long while? I swear this wasn't an issue back in the day. Now it seems like that's all anyone can argue about.
Has this whole athiesm/christianity argument going on for a long while? I swear this wasn't an issue back in the day. Now it seems like that's all anyone can argue about.
Back in the day, I played Nintendo. There was no Jesus in my NES. Except for maybe that time someone brought over one of those Wisdom Tree games to play. omg what a turd!
I never said accepting Jesus gives you "license" to kill people.
I haven't actually read Dawkin's God Delusion. :-\
Even worse - You went to college.
See: PhoenixDark
Yeah, damn us for discussing things!I never said accepting Jesus gives you "license" to kill people.
was this aimed at me?
and agree at demi. I'm all for logic and evolution but it annoys me how everyone wants to eagerly express their intelligence by denying god and going like 'omg how could anyone believe that!"
Yeah, damn us for discussing things!I never said accepting Jesus gives you "license" to kill people.
was this aimed at me?
and agree at demi. I'm all for logic and evolution but it annoys me how everyone wants to eagerly express their intelligence by denying god and going like 'omg how could anyone believe that!"
That makes disussions almost impossible. It's like "lol you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow"...how does that help any type of intelligent discussion?I'm sorry if I ever come across as condescending or anything. Ignore that crap, I don't mean it.
That's why Malek is one of my favorite posters. He just talks about the issue, and yea he owns me a lot but I learn from debating with him
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND START WATCHING HOTT FUZZ, OMG!That makes disussions almost impossible. It's like "lol you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow"...how does that help any type of intelligent discussion?I'm sorry if I ever come across as condescending or anything. Ignore that crap, I don't mean it.
That's why Malek is one of my favorite posters. He just talks about the issue, and yea he owns me a lot but I learn from debating with him
I didn't think I was "eagerly expressing my intelligence" though. Half of my posts in this thread are me asking questions.
I CAN PROVE POINT FOR POINT WHY GOD DOESNT EXIST BUT I CANT SEEM TO PASS THAT DAMN LSATIt's not a pass/fail test. I scored well above the mean.
I like it when people position themselves above such trivial discussions