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Title: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 08:48:05 AM
http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=10334
http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=10352

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A source close to the production of Indiana Jones IV (still, as far as we know, unofficially called Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods, but more on that later) has divulged some information to us about the film’s shooting locations, opening set piece and what kind of a character Shia LaBeouf will be playing.

According to ‘Belloq,’ Indy IV is going to be shooting outside of Los Angeles, in New Haven, Connecticut, in New Mexico and in Hawaii. ‘Belloq’ also tells us that the opening action scene of the film will pit Dr. Jones against Russians agents in Area 51 – which is interesting, as this is a major similarity to the Frank Darabont draft that confirms my belief that much of what was in that script has made its way into what will be filmed this summer.

One thing that is different from Darabont’s draft is the addition of Shia LaBeouf’s character; ‘Belloq’ tells us that LaBeouf is going to be playing a greaser, wearing jeans and a leather jacket and riding around on a motorcycle. He also says that Indy and Shia will be thrown together in this adventure but will not learn they’re related until a pivotal action scene.

I’m holding back some details, but from what ‘Belloq’ tells me, and from my own quick reading through the Darabont draft, I would say that the main storyline remains roughly the same – it involves crystal skulls and takes its cues from Chariots of the Gods. Interestingly, there have been rumors of a video game tie in being released next year with the title Indiana Jones and the Staff of Moses; I checked with other sources and while I can’t confirm anything, this seems to be a stand-alone adventure and does not reflect the title or storyline of Indiana Jones IV.

Take all of this with caution: my sources are legit, but none of them have their hands on the latest script, and there is still tinkering going on. However, I do believe that it’s too late in the game to change the main storyline, so I feel pretty confident that we’ll see Indiana Jones in South American temples and involved with aliens.
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The Indiana Jones IV information keeps rolling in (read last night's revelation of Shia LaBeouf's character and the film's plotline here), thanks to ‘Belloq.’ Our idol-theiving source confirms rumblings I’ve heard from other quarters (and frankly, from common sense): Karen Allen will be reprising the role of Marion Ravenwood in Indiana Jones IV, and she’s going to be Shia LaBeouf’s mom. And you’ll recall that Shia is Indy’s son. You do the math.

My sources tell me that this is a done deal, but Paramount offered no comment when contacted. It makes a ton of sense, though, as Karen Allen remains the iconic Indiana Jones love interest, and I’m sure Spielberg and company had no problem in securing her for the duration of the shoot. My sources have not been able to reveal how much time she gets in the movie, though.

There may be more stuff in the days to come, depending on what I can confirm, so keep a watch on this site. And by the way, I don’t have a copy of Frank Darabont’s script: I was allowed to read a printed version, but had to return it when I was done. And to be honest, if I did have it on pdf I wouldn’t send it to you guys, so you can stop emailing me and asking for it.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 22, 2007, 08:50:11 AM
is this a trustworthy source?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 08:51:39 AM
is this a trustworthy source?
Chud is pretty realible from what I have seen
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2007, 09:02:46 AM
Sounds lame to me. :/
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Tauntaun on May 22, 2007, 09:39:51 AM
:duh :duh :duh :duh :duh :duh
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 09:52:24 AM
It seems it is Frank Daranbot's script but with a re-write to add Shia and so on, they kept his story.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 22, 2007, 10:04:21 AM
ITS OVER!
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Solo on May 22, 2007, 10:07:40 AM
Terrible. Even Connery cant save this.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 22, 2007, 10:39:58 AM
RAMBO > INDIANA
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Robo on May 22, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
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He also says that Indy and Shia will be thrown together in this adventure but will not learn they’re related until a pivotal action scene.

 :duh :duh :duh
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 22, 2007, 10:49:23 AM
temple of doom 2 confirmed :'(
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Solo on May 22, 2007, 10:51:21 AM
Seriously. Why not just get Short Round back?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: MrAngryFace on May 22, 2007, 11:08:59 AM
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He also says that Indy and Shia will be thrown together in this adventure but will not learn they’re related until a pivotal action scene.

 :duh :duh :duh

*Dodges bullet*

"Hey Indy, i've been meaning to ask you"

*Indy dodges punch and returns one of his own*

"Yeah, kid?"

*Indy Jr grabs a sword off the wall and sword fights a nazi who forgot his gun*

"Did you...you know" *dodges swipe* "FUCK MY MOM?"

*Indy drops what he's doing and runs to Indy Jr. The two embrace.*

"OH DADDY!"

"OH SON!"

*nazis throw up in unison*
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Tauntaun on May 22, 2007, 11:12:40 AM
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He also says that Indy and Shia will be thrown together in this adventure but will not learn they’re related until a pivotal action scene.

 :duh :duh :duh

*Dodges bullet*

"Hey Indy, i've been meaning to ask you"

*Indy dodges punch and returns one of his own*

"Yeah, kid?"

*Indy Jr grabs a sword off the wall and sword fights a nazi who forgot his gun*

"Did you...you know" *dodges swipe* "FUCK MY MOM?"

*Indy drops what he's doing and runs to Indy Jr. The two embrace.*

"OH DADDY!"

"OH SON!"

*nazis throw up in unison*

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ecrofirt on May 22, 2007, 11:24:04 AM
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He also says that Indy and Shia will be thrown together in this adventure but will not learn they’re related until a pivotal action scene.

 :duh :duh :duh

*Dodges bullet*

"Hey Indy, i've been meaning to ask you"

*Indy dodges punch and returns one of his own*

"Yeah, kid?"

*Indy Jr grabs a sword off the wall and sword fights a nazi who forgot his gun*

"Did you...you know" *dodges swipe* "FUCK MY MOM?"

*Indy drops what he's doing and runs to Indy Jr. The two embrace.*

"OH DADDY!"

"OH SON!"

*nazis throw up in unison*

You know, the sad thing is thati's going to happen in a pretty similar fashion.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Bloodwake on May 22, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
I'm not going to say anything until I see the final film, but it's not like some other director got the script. It's still Spielberg. You can complain about how bad Spielburg killed ET or how bad Lucas killed Star Wars, but still:

Spielberg's last film - Munich (pretty damn good, nominated for Best Picture)
Lucas's last film - Episode III (by far the best of the prequels and better than ROTJ)

That being said, the movie could still suck, but with Spielberg directing, the movie's in good hands, and I'm sure it won't suck too badly.

Again, even with Spielberg, I really can't be too excited about a script that has Indy vs. Aliens.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 11:31:43 AM
the aliens idea was from george lucas. Back when the film got greenlit finally last year lucas said something like that he came up with a controversial plot idea to take the place of the artifact search in the movie and Spielberg was worried that it was too out there but Lucas said he convinced him of the idea.

But it does sound weird. It's like Indiana Jones meets The X-Files.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 22, 2007, 11:40:49 AM
RAMBO > DH4.0 > INDIANA
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 11:45:16 AM
indy might have a weird if not bad plot....

but Spielbergs great directing of action scenes, John Williams awesome Indiana Jones scoring, and Harrison's acting of Dr. Jones >>>>>> Live Free or Die Hard
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Bloodwake on May 22, 2007, 11:48:29 AM
Oh yeah, Indy's going to be TONS better than a Die Soft film.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 22, 2007, 11:49:41 AM
aliens

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:lol
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Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
aliens

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:lol
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Yes the idea of Indiana "X-Files" Jones is ABSURD if not stupid but spielberg indiana jones action scenes + williams score makes it a million times better than Live Free or Die Hard on it's own.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Bloodwake on May 22, 2007, 12:02:33 PM
Indy Aliens is officially number one on my list of really bad ideas that might actually turn out to be good movies.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 22, 2007, 12:14:46 PM

Lucas's last film - Episode III (by far the best of the prequels and better than ROTJ)


no and no
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 22, 2007, 12:17:29 PM
ep 3 was pretty bad but if you forgot about everything (including the acting rufflez) but the action scenes then it's definitely better than the other two prequels. those were really really really boring, especially ep 1.

ep1... :-\
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 22, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
i "liked" episode 1 the best. once i stopped pretending it had anything to do with star wars and treated it like a distinguished mentally-challenged big budget kids' movie, well, i learned to appreciate pod racing. sorta. hey, it had an awesome score!

episode 3 is just functionally awful. it's a toss-up between two and three as to which is the more offensive cinematic abortion.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Himu on May 22, 2007, 12:24:22 PM
Fuck George Lucas. He's a goddamn hack.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2007, 12:30:30 PM
Once Lucas re-edits Episode I for Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, it's going to rock.  He's going to replace Jake Lloyd with Hayden Christensen's little brother and CGI out Jar Jar and replace him with Yoda for all the scenes.  :-*
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Robo on May 22, 2007, 12:41:16 PM
I fell asleep in the theater during the pod racing scene.  :zzz
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 22, 2007, 12:59:48 PM
I dunno what's up with you guys...Indy IV is fucking AWESOME.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Indiana_Jones_Atlantis_cover.jpg)
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Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 22, 2007, 01:00:44 PM
This movie sounds terrible.  Aliens?  Russians in Area 51? Even without the son thing this would sound really bad.  At least we got Marion back and not that stupid whore from Temple.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
If this movie has aliens in it, or if much of this CHUD stuff is real, I'm not paying to see this movie. Fuck the nostalgia and music...fuckin aliens? Greaser Shia? Marion again? No religious artifacts?

No thanks. No thanks. I'm not seeing this movie if this is true.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 01:24:37 PM
If this movie has aliens in it, or if much of this CHUD stuff is real, I'm not paying to see this movie. Fuck the nostalgia and music...fuckin aliens? Greaser Shia? Marion again? No religious artifacts?

No thanks. No thanks. I'm not seeing this movie if this is true.
uh you knew marion was in it since the film got greenlit.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2007, 01:27:46 PM
I never liked that idea, but I didn't think it would ruin the movie. But added along with aliens? Hell no.

I'm not seeing this, if this news is true. I hope it's not true
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 22, 2007, 01:30:25 PM
What the fuck is wrong with Marion, PD?  Marion is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 22, 2007, 01:32:40 PM
Marion rules. But I like Sophia Hapgood as much.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2007, 01:33:52 PM
What the fuck is wrong with Marion, PD?  Marion is fucking awesome.

I don't like the idea of bringing back old characters just to fill up holes. I'm not even too thrilled about Dr Jones returning
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 01:43:56 PM
Marion>>>>>>> the other indy girls combined
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2007, 01:46:41 PM
Well yeah. But don't bring her back. WHY
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 22, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
If you hosers haven't played Fate of Atlantis you suck.

Raiders of the Lost Ark > Fate of Atlantis > Last Crusade > Temple of Doom

YEAH I WENT THERE

Actually the Indiana Jones parody I made in 7th grade for French class is better than Temple of Doom.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 02:03:44 PM
Well yeah. But don't bring her back. WHY
would you rather Spielberg put his wife in it?

Also Cate Blanchet is the love interest. Marion is Shia's mom but she and Indy aren't a couple anymore.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2007, 08:37:08 PM
???

Nobody knows what Cate Blanchett's role is yet.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 09:33:05 PM
???

Nobody knows what Cate Blanchett's role is yet.
Lucas mentioned she was a love interest in some interview at some oscars after party.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2007, 09:34:25 PM
I thought Cate Blanchett's involvement was announced after the Oscars?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Scurvy Stan on May 22, 2007, 09:35:45 PM
???

Nobody knows what Cate Blanchett's role is yet.

She's the alien queen.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2007, 09:50:21 PM
PD, why are your tastes so effing weird?  Bringing back Marion and Daddy Jones is the best thing that'll happen to this movie.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 22, 2007, 10:50:26 PM
PD, why are your tastes so effing weird?  Bringing back Marion and Daddy Jones is the best thing that'll happen to this movie.
The fact it has Marion and Daddy Jones helps SAVE the movie from turning into another temple of doom. Being against shia and aliens is one thing. But Connery and Karen Allen? Come on!
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Yeti on May 22, 2007, 11:16:48 PM
???

Nobody knows what Cate Blanchett's role is yet.

She's the alien queen.

Probably true
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on May 23, 2007, 12:35:29 AM
Lucas's last film - Episode III (by far the best of the prequels and better than ROTJ)
I may be pointing out the obvious, but you killed your cred with that statement. >:(
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2007, 12:47:21 AM
PD, why are your tastes so effing weird?  Bringing back Marion and Daddy Jones is the best thing that'll happen to this movie.

What purpose do they serve? I can already see the horrible age jokes. The father/son dynamic worked perfectly in Last Crusade. Here, how do you expect a father/son/grandson dynamic to work? It's going to be a trainwreck.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2007, 02:40:00 AM
Seems like overkill to me.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Error Macro on May 23, 2007, 02:45:16 AM
That's a perfectly cromulent defense.  Wait no it's not.

:lol

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2007, 02:49:13 AM
Pfft. Sounds like a trainwreck to me tsk tsk
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Bloodwake on May 23, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Lucas's last film - Episode III (by far the best of the prequels and better than ROTJ)
I may be pointing out the obvious, but you killed your cred with that statement. >:(

Except for the fact I'm not the first to say this.

Either here or GAF or anywhere for that matter.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/) Rotten Tomatoes: Return of the Jedi 80%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/) Rotten Tomatoes: Revenge of the Sith 81%

Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 23, 2007, 03:21:54 PM
How does a father/son dynamic work oh so well but a grandfather/father/grandson dynamic become a trainwreck?

Because giving the main character a son just reeks of shark jumping.  Yes, bringing in Sean Connery worked (and saved Indy 3), but that's an exception to the "bringing in relatives makes things suck rules."  Also, Sean Connery is Sean Connery.  Shia LeWhatever is just some potential Hollywood it kid at the moment.

For the record, because of Sean Connery being a fine addition to 3, I reserved judgment on Indy 4 concerning the bringing in of a son.  After reading this synopsis, it's pretty clear the movie is going to be pretty shitty, though.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 23, 2007, 03:42:56 PM
Lucas's last film - Episode III (by far the best of the prequels and better than ROTJ)
I may be pointing out the obvious, but you killed your cred with that statement. >:(

Except for the fact I'm not the first to say this.

Either here or GAF or anywhere for that matter.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/) Rotten Tomatoes: Return of the Jedi 80%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/) Rotten Tomatoes: Revenge of the Sith 81%



Doesn't make you right!  Revenge of the Sith was the worst of the prequels.  Maybe a hair better than Episode II, but that's not saying much,.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2007, 07:54:05 PM
ROTS is the best of the prequels; you're in a very small minority here.

Even still, debating over what's the best SW prequel is like debating over the best STD. Genital herpes are much better than gonorrhea but that ain't nothin to brag about
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 23, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Not really.  I may be in a small minority for Star Wars fans, but not movie fans.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 23, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
It's interesting how the star wars prequels by and large are rather well liked if not loved by the critics. Hell Ebert gave ROTS 3 and a half stars. Yet stuff like the Pirate movies are trashed (At World's End  is already rotten).
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2007, 09:29:50 PM
Not really.  I may be in a small minority for Star Wars fans, but not movie fans.

Yeah, right.

How can you possibly say ROTS is worse than the abortion that is Attack of the Clones? Please explain that to me. Usually I agree with your tastes but this is too crazy for me
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 23, 2007, 09:43:40 PM
TESB > ANH >>>>>>> ROTS > ROTJ >> TPM >>>>> AOTC
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
TESB > ANH >>>>>>> ROTS > ROTJ >> TPM >>>>> AOTC

ESB>>>ANH>>ROTJ>>>ROTS>>>>>TPM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AOTC
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 23, 2007, 09:53:42 PM
FCK>>>>>YOU>ALL
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on May 23, 2007, 10:47:42 PM
Lucas's last film - Episode III (by far the best of the prequels and better than ROTJ)
I may be pointing out the obvious, but you killed your cred with that statement. >:(

Except for the fact I'm not the first to say this.

Either here or GAF or anywhere for that matter.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/return_of_the_jedi/) Rotten Tomatoes: Return of the Jedi 80%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/) Rotten Tomatoes: Revenge of the Sith 81%


Since when do film critics mean anything?  >:(
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 24, 2007, 12:00:24 AM
Not really.  I may be in a small minority for Star Wars fans, but not movie fans.

Yeah, right.

Yes, I am right.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Scurvy Stan on May 24, 2007, 12:04:01 AM
I need to see at least a trailer before I can pass final judgement.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 12:15:15 AM
Does anyone else think ROTS is the worse Star Wars prequel?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Yeti on May 24, 2007, 12:57:58 AM
I think ROTS is the worst Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 24, 2007, 01:45:24 AM
ROTS is the only Star Wars movie that made me angry at how awful it was.  The best of the prequel trilogy is The Phantom Menace (which isn't saying much), but the worst Star Wars movie of all, BY FAR, is Revenge of the Sith.  It's simply horrid.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2007, 01:47:21 AM
AotC is much worse than RotS.  There's one good action sequence, and then they fuck that up with the Yoda flipping around like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Error Macro on May 24, 2007, 01:54:56 AM
Do we all agree that they all suck?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 24, 2007, 01:58:12 AM
AotC is much worse than RotS.  There's one good action sequence, and then they fuck that up with the Yoda flipping around like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit.

lol, no.  AotC has a couple of inspired action sequences, including the one with Anakin and company fighting off the monsters in the arena and the awesome Jango Fett-Obi-Wan fight in the rain.  RotS is pure shit, through and through, and somehow the special effects GOT WORSE from the previous movie!
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Yeti on May 24, 2007, 02:00:28 AM
AotC is much worse than RotS.  There's one good action sequence, and then they fuck that up with the Yoda flipping around like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit.

I kind of liked the scene with Obi-Wan fighting Jango Fett in the rain, but maybe I was just excited because something was finally happening.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 02:26:59 AM
AotC is much worse than RotS.  There's one good action sequence, and then they fuck that up with the Yoda flipping around like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit.

/thread
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Scurvy Stan on May 24, 2007, 02:31:16 AM
This is a dynamite thread.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Ichirou on May 24, 2007, 02:47:25 AM
AotC is much worse than RotS.  There's one good action sequence, and then they fuck that up with the Yoda flipping around like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit.

/thread

Give us another American History X-level review, Michelle.  :-*
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 09:41:54 AM
ROTS had waaaaaaaaaaaaay better action than AotC. The Palpatine and Yoda fight scene was epic stuff in Episode III. The Yoda duel in AOTC on the other hand was meh.

And McDiarmid basically being in nearly every scene was very helpful. He is the only person in the prequels other than Liam Neeson who can work with the script and make it believable and not seem wooden. Other than that "NO NO NO YOU WILL DIE" scene with Mace (ugh  :-X) McDiarmid, dare I say had very good acting in RotS. But that is due to his greatness not out of Lucas' direction.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: EvilBoris on May 24, 2007, 10:02:50 AM
 The best moments of RotS were within the first fifteen minutes. It may have been a lesser imitation of the original Star Wars but it had a spirited pace, and the neatest lightsaber fight in the movie. By the time RotS arrived in theatres my only expectation were of course enjoyable action sequences... and the final fight, kinda unmoving. It must have been the editing, sabotaging the lightning fast choreography with shots too close-up to the action. Kind of a disservice when you have such a cinematic setting.
 Ewan McGregor deserves some recognition for pulling off what now appears the thankless task of drawing into the nuances of the original Obi-Wan Sir Alec performance. He was always watchable. Tried with what he could to make things fun.

Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
The best moments of RotS were within the first fifteen minutes. It may have been a lesser imitation of the original Star Wars but it had a spirited pace, and the neatest lightsaber fight in the movie.

The sad thing is that scene was filmed to be MUUUUUCH longer. Lucas filmed it as nearly a hour long sequence ala what Jabba's Palace stuff was in RoTJ. But he had so much story material he had to conclude to it got cut to hell.  :-\
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Bloodwake on May 24, 2007, 12:33:59 PM
I enjoyed all three prequels.

First of all, I thought the DVD cut of Episode I was much, much better. Sure, there is wooden acting, but the story of all of the prequels is great. There was some cringeworthy moments (now THIS is podracing, Jar Jar) but overall Episode I was entirely decent.

Episode II wasn't as good. I'm not going to argue with the fact that Lucas can't direct love sequences or write them. Then again, the OVERALL story still shines, and I don't let love sequences ruin the entire story for me. The action sequences again were great, and I enjoyed the film.

Episode III was, for me, on par with the originals. To say it is the worst of the prequels is absurd IMO. McDiarmid hits a fucking home run with his performance with Palpatine. Hayden Christiansen does a better job. The only painful part of the entire film is most definitely Natalie Portman. There was less love bullshit, which left more room for yet another great overall story. The lightsaber battles were well choreographed, the score is by far the best out of all the prequels... frankly you have to be massively anal in order to say Episode III is the worst. I really can't see that much wrong with the film besides Portman.

The first two were flawed, but for me they still pulled it off. I can understand how and why people can bash the prequels as well, but for me, Episode III is great, and it's my favorite prequel by far. It's the only one I saw more than once in theaters, and it's the only one I can truly call great.

The other two prequels I would probably give 6/10s, Episode III got an 8/10
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Yeti on May 24, 2007, 12:34:34 PM
Anyways, Indiana Jones. What do you guys think of Shia being a greaser instead of a hippie like originally rumored?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Bloodwake on May 24, 2007, 12:40:36 PM
Anyways, Indiana Jones. What do you guys think of Shia being a greaser instead of a hippie like originally rumored?

I'm not opposed to Shia being anything, to be honest. Shia is actually a decent actor from what I've seen. He wasn't that bad in Disturbia.  The aliens idea is what is going to potentially fuck the movie over.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 12:41:56 PM
AotC is much worse than RotS.  There's one good action sequence, and then they fuck that up with the Yoda flipping around like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit.

/thread

Give us another American History X-level review, Michelle.  :-*

That wasn't even a full review. Just some quick thoughts on the movie.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2007, 12:46:58 PM
Anyways, Indiana Jones. What do you guys think of Shia being a greaser instead of a hippie like originally rumored?

I'm not opposed to Shia being anything, to be honest. Shia is actually a decent actor from what I've seen. He wasn't that bad in Disturbia.  The aliens idea is what is going to potentially fuck the movie over.

RUSSIANS IN AREA 51!  WHO GETS PAID TO WRITE THIS SHIT!
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 12:50:45 PM
Anyways, Indiana Jones. What do you guys think of Shia being a greaser instead of a hippie like originally rumored?
that was never rumored! That was an idea of someone here.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 12:51:28 PM

RUSSIANS IN AREA 51!  WHO GETS PAID TO WRITE THIS SHIT!

(http://www.afi.com/Images/tvevents/laa/connery/GeorgeLucas.jpg)
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 01:01:34 PM
Russians in Area 51. WTF is that shit. Here is my plot for Indy 4:

In the years since his last adventure Indy has slowed down considerably. While he is now an even more world renowned professor at a university, his days of traveling the world for artifacts are long gone. Instead this job has been handed to his assistant, the young and daring Johnny Jamison (played by Leo Dicaprio). But an unexpected bit of news serves to pull Indiana back into the world of adventure.

Marion, Indiana's estranged lover, returns and tells him that his father is very sick. The elder Jones has been quite requisive since his last adventure. While visiting his father in London, Indiana later learns that his son - whom he hasn't seen in more than a decade - has been kidnapped by Germans. With the help of Jamison, Indiana returns to the US to save his son. But little does he know that the plot is bigger than anything he could imagine.

Marion reveals herself as a villian, angered by Indiana's indifference to her pregnancy so many years ago. Now it is up to Indy to stop Marion from leading a small group of Germans from re-creating the Nazi party - by bringing their fuher back to life. A map to the Garden of Eden has led them to a remote area of Turkey, and now it's a race against time as Indiana tries to save his son while also trying to stop the Nazis from regaining power!


Indiana Jones and The Fruit of Life *cue music*
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 01:07:56 PM
Russians in Area 51. WTF is that shit. Here is my plot for Indy 4:

In the years since his last adventure Indy has slowed down considerably. While he is now an even more world renowned professor at a university, his days of traveling the world for artifacts are long gone. Instead this job has been handed to his assistant, the young and daring Johnny Jamison (played by Leo Dicaprio). But an unexpected bit of news serves to pull Indiana back into the world of adventure.

Marion, Indiana's estranged lover, returns and tells him that his father is very sick. The elder Jones has been quite requisive since his last adventure. While visiting his father in London, Indiana later learns that his son - whom he hasn't seen in more than a decade - has been kidnapped by Germans. With the help of Jamison, Indiana returns to the US to save his son. But little does he know that the plot is bigger than anything he could imagine.

Marion reveals herself as a villian, angered by Indiana's indifference to her pregnancy so many years ago. Now it is up to Indy to stop Marion from leading a small group of Germans from re-creating the Nazi party - by bringing their fuher back to life. A map to the Garden of Eden has led them to a remote area of Turkey, and now it's a race against time as Indiana tries to save his son while also trying to stop the Nazis from regaining power!


Indiana Jones and The Fruit of Life *cue music*

1. What does Marion have to do with Indy's dad. They were no longer a couple for over 5 years at the time of The Last Crusade

2. Worst plot twist of all time



0/10

Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 01:10:08 PM
IT'S BETTER THAN ALIENS
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 01:13:36 PM
IT'S BETTER THAN ALIENS
making the love interest from the first, a beloved film classic love interest...A NAZI is worse than aliens.

It's worse than if Indy went to Area 51 and found E.T. and Jar Jar Binks together and they alongside Shia "The Fonz" LeBeouf have an adventure.

Edit: get on aim michelle
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
I hate to say it, but I think the enjoyment level of a given Indiana Jones movie is tied to its tackling of a religious subject that people are familiar with, but is still shrouded in mystery.  And Chariot of the Gods isn't going to cut it because it is 1) even more stupid and cheesy than most religious bullshit 2) not as familiar to the masses and 3) gay.

Now, we tackled Judaism and Christianity in the good Indy movies, and in the really shitty one we covered, I dunno, shit Thuggee cults.  I don't think eastern religions would be a very good target since the details are largely unknown to westerners.  Islam is out because we don't want people crashing airplanes into movie (a shame, because I really think a good movie could be done about the Assassins of Alamut).  I'm guessing Christianity is not a viable option at the moment because lol Da Vinci Load.

I dunno.  I can't come up with any answers, but I sure as hell know they could do better than lol aliens.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 01:16:10 PM
It makes since for Marion to become a Nazi. She was always a fire brand, and I remember her giving the arabs in Raiders some dirty looks. Remember when Indy tried to give her a date? She was like wtf is this a-rab filth, and gave it to the monkey. That sounds like a Nazi in the wing to me
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 01:16:34 PM
  I'm guessing Christianity is not a viable option at the moment because lol Da Vinci Load.


Lucas said Da Vinci Code used an idea he was considering for Indy IV.  :lol

GET ON AIM PD
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 01:18:45 PM
I'm on AIM wtf
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2007, 01:19:25 PM
  I'm guessing Christianity is not a viable option at the moment because lol Da Vinci Load.


Lucas said Da Vinci Code used an idea he was considering for Indy IV.  :lol

GET ON AIM PD

Yeah, but Da Vinci Code ripped it all from Holy Blood, Holy Grail and Foucault's Pendulum.  Lucas's idea was AT LEAST a third generation ripoff.  
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2007, 01:20:35 PM
Ok lets be serious. Everyone should come up with a plot of Indy. There's no way anyone can make one worse than LOL ALIENS AND RUSSIANS
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2007, 01:26:43 PM
Ok lets be serious. Everyone should come up with a plot of Indy. There's no way anyone can make one worse than LOL ALIENS AND RUSSIANS

Well, considering we're just shooting shit, mine would be about The Old Man of the Mountain and the Assassins of Alamut.  I'd have to think and do a wee bit of research before suggesting something detailed, but I think it is an area of history that hasn't been milked in mainstream entertainment media.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 24, 2007, 01:27:58 PM
Ok lets be serious. Everyone should come up with a plot of Indy. There's no way anyone can make one worse than LOL ALIENS AND RUSSIANS
Here is my idea.

Indiana Jones The Third as a sequel. Starring Shia LeBeouf with just a cameo of harrison at the start. HAPPY NOW?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Coop on May 24, 2007, 02:31:30 PM
I dunno what's up with you guys...Indy IV is fucking AWESOME.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Indiana_Jones_Atlantis_cover.jpg)
[close]

:bow Indiana Jones Fate of Atlantis :bow

:bow Lucasarts :bow

:bow Western Developers :bow

This should have been the 4th movie, none of this stupid alien shit.

Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 25, 2007, 11:47:19 AM
The site updated a bit on the alien thing:

Quote
Chariots of the Gods is about ANCIENT astronauts, and while alien contact with ancient cultures – and that involves the crystal skulls (and complete crystal skeletons!) – is the driving background of this story, I don’t believe many living aliens show up at all. So if you’re worried that Indy is flying in UFOs or having laser battles, drop that out of your mind now.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 25, 2007, 11:49:13 AM
spielberg can't do aliens
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 25, 2007, 11:52:41 AM
spielberg can't do aliens
lol
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 25, 2007, 11:53:27 AM
unless it's something like et

the aliens in wotw...lol
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2007, 12:43:12 PM
unless it's something like et

the aliens in wotw...lol

Aliens in his movies:

Close Encounters=boring
ET=meh
AI=WHY
WoTW=lol
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 25, 2007, 12:49:30 PM
unless it's something like et

the aliens in wotw...lol

Aliens in his movies:

Close Encounters=boring
ET=meh
AI=WHY
WoTW=lol
Spielberg sci-fi movies RANKING TIME:

1. Close Encounters of the Third Kind: 10/10
2. E.T.: 8.5/10
3. Minority Report: 8.5/10
4. War of the Worlds: 8/10
5. Jurassic Park: 7.5/10
6. A.I.: 7/10
7. The Lost World: 6.5/10
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
unless it's something like et

the aliens in wotw...lol

Aliens in his movies:

Close Encounters=boring
ET=meh
AI=WHY
WoTW=lol
Spielberg sci-fi movies RANKING TIME:

1. Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Don't remember don't care
2. E.T.: 6/10
3. Minority Report: 8.5/10
4. War of the Worlds: 8/10
5. Jurassic Park: 9/10
6. A.I.: 7.5/10
7. The Lost World: 7/10

Fixed. Now get on AIM
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 25, 2007, 01:06:45 PM
unless it's something like et

the aliens in wotw...lol

Aliens in his movies:

Close Encounters=boring
ET=meh
AI=WHY
WoTW=lol
Spielberg sci-fi movies RANKING TIME:

1. Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Don't remember don't care
2. E.T.: 6/10
3. Minority Report: 8.5/10
4. War of the Worlds: 8/10
5. Jurassic Park: 9/10
6. A.I.: 7.5/10
7. The Lost World: 7/10

Fixed. Now get on AIM
Close Encounters is in my top 25 of all time
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 29, 2007, 03:00:22 PM
appearently they're going to start shooting next week

http://www.formula1.com/news/6162.html (http://www.formula1.com/news/6162.html)
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: TVC15 on May 29, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
The site updated a bit on the alien thing:

Quote
Chariots of the Gods is about ANCIENT astronauts, and while alien contact with ancient cultures – and that involves the crystal skulls (and complete crystal skeletons!) – is the driving background of this story, I don’t believe many living aliens show up at all. So if you’re worried that Indy is flying in UFOs or having laser battles, drop that out of your mind now.

I guess this is confirmation then.  This movie is going to be fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  RUSSIANS IN AREA 51!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Robo on May 29, 2007, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: Michelle the Fibber
Aliens in his movies:

Close Encounters=boring
ET=meh
AI=WHY
WoTW=lol

A.I. does not have aliens in it.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 29, 2007, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Michelle the Fibber
Aliens in his movies:

Close Encounters=boring
ET=meh
AI=WHY
WoTW=lol

A.I. does not have aliens in it.

yes it does. they appear at the end.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Robo on May 29, 2007, 03:39:24 PM
Those are clearly mecha and there is absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Mike Works on May 30, 2007, 12:09:51 AM
wait, did someone just rate War of the Worlds ahead of Jurassic Park?
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 30, 2007, 08:24:54 AM
wait, did someone just rate War of the Worlds ahead of Jurassic Park?
War of the Worlds > Jurassic Park
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: bud on May 30, 2007, 09:16:25 AM
wait, did someone just rate War of the Worlds ahead of Jurassic Park?
War of the Worlds > Jurassic Park

wtf

wotw's ending alone makes it worse than jp and i haven't even mentioned the loltastic aliens.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Scurvy Stan on May 30, 2007, 01:36:32 PM
In b4 indy piloting a flying saucer with russians hanging unto the side crashing through a tunnel.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 30, 2007, 05:04:05 PM
In b4 indy piloting a flying saucer with russians hanging unto the side crashing through a tunnel.
That sounds absurdly awesome.  :lol
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: futami on May 31, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
hmmm..

aliens and colonialistic undertones don't mix.

i suspect this is false.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 31, 2007, 03:14:08 PM
hmmm..

aliens and colonialistic undertones don't mix.

i suspect this is false.

Except this alien plot line has been the one used in every script since they tried to get the film off the ground since the mid 90's.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: futami on May 31, 2007, 03:18:26 PM
yes, but every indiana jones has been infused with a racially paternalistic mindset, the unsophisticated natives taken advantage of by the worldy indiana.

it's spielberg's way.
Title: Re: Some Indy IV Plot Details: Shia is a greaser and there are...aliens?
Post by: Cheebs on May 31, 2007, 03:26:30 PM
yes, but every indiana jones has been infused with a racially paternalistic mindset, the unsophisticated natives taken advantage of by the worldy indiana.

it's spielberg's way.
wait..what? How was Indiana Jones "racially paternalistic" in The Last Crusade? Or Raiders for that?

And it's spielberg's way to show those who are unsophicated to be taken advantage of by those who are worldy?

Whaaaaa?