THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Ichirou on June 20, 2007, 04:54:06 AM
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You had a good run.
PSX was awesome. PS2 was even better. The PSP was the first chink in your armor. The PS3 destroyed you.
Goodbye, farewell, arrivederla.
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I don't see this ending well, but this ain't GAF so I'll keep it open for now. :P
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You know those scenes in the old Looney Tunes cartoons where Wile E. Coyote runs off a cliff and he keeps on running in mid-air, then eventually looks down, and only then falls? That's what's happening to Sony right now...they're running on air and they can't keep this up forever.
R.I.P. Sony
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NEVAR FORGET
P.S. PSP sux.
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PSP is fucking awesome. This is dumb.
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Yeah, PSP is awesome with its five hour battery life and clunky size and UMDs and annoying loading and PSX ports and
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The only thing I ever play on it is Rengou Vs. ZAFT Portable. For everything else the DS is superior.
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lmao, horse balls
ownzorrrrrd
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PSone was a solid era in gaming. RPG's went to shit on PS2. As did Metal Gear Solid. Also many unique games never saw proper PS2 sequels (eg. Parasite Eve).
PSP is pretty underrated. And not just for emu. There's good time-wasting shit like SFA3, NHL 07 and GTA on it. Serves its purpose, helps pass the time at work. Could use a few good RPG's though.
Sony's not completely dead to me, but they're trying.
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you like Azumanga
you hate the PSP
you'll be telling me you like horse balls in your mouth next
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And I don't hate the PSP, I'm just honest enough to admit that it sucks. But apparently it looks like some good games will be coming out for it this year - finally!
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PSP games dont start coming in until late July, starting with Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology
Riviera is a GBA port so zzzzzzzzzzzzzz pass
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And I don't hate the PSP, I'm just honest enough to admit that it sucks. But apparently i'll be coming out this year - finally!
and there we have it.
LOL you changed my post so it looks like I'm a closeted gay!!! :rofl
Face it, babes, the only way the PSP is worth anything is if you have hacked it to play PSX and homebrew stuff. As it is, out of the box, it sucks.
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FUCK NO it's got a good library of games.
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"YEAH DODES SO MANY GOOD GAMES I CAN FINALLY PLAY TOKIMEKI MEMORIAL AND PRINCESS MAKER ON THE GO ITS LIKE A DREAM"
Name me a few good games that are NOT:
A) Ports of previous console titles
B) Stripped down versions of console titles
C) Available on DS
And even if the PSP had a decent library, it still wouldn't change the fact that the battery life sucks, UMDs are unwieldy, loading times are distinguished mentally-challenged in what's supposed to be a system built for quick gaming spurts, and due to its size it's not exactly easily portable.i
In pace requiescat, Sony.
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Name me a few good games that are NOT:
A) Ports of previous console titles
B) Stripped down versions of console titles
C) Available on DS
Killzone Liberation
Lumines
Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters
Daxter
Mega Man Powered Up
Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
Ghosts N Goblins
Metal Gear Acid
Metal Gear Acid 2
Crush
Off the top of my head, all of those should fit your criteria
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Name me a few good games that are NOT:
A) Ports of previous console titles
B) Stripped down versions of console titles
C) Available on DS
Killzone Liberation
Lumines
Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters
Daxter
Mega Man Powered Up
Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
Ghosts N Goblins
Metal Gear Acid
Metal Gear Acid 2
Crush
Off the top of my head, all of those should fit your criteria
The bolded ones fall under the category of Stripped down versions of console titles. Mega Man Powered Up is a remake of an NES game. Maverick Hunter X is a remake of an SNES game. Ghosts N Goblins is another iteration in a very old franchise but this time featuring fugly 3D. Perhaps I should have clarified that I didn't mean the games are EXACTLY THE SAME as their console versions, but they're neither particularly new nor innovative in any way.
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u r grasping 4 straws
Have you played KZ Liberation? Absolutely nothing like PS2 version. Credibility shot, dawg. Back to Azumanga with Himuro for you.
Lock this topic, lyte. He is just trolling now.
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lol, you're the one posting a list that is made up of 90% offshoots or remakes of console titles.
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You're the one adding criteria to your list! You are cheating. They are just as "original" and "exclusive" as anything on the DS.
Name some titles on DS that you think are good or whatever runs through your paedo-mind and I'll be glad to pick them apart for you, piece by piece.
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You're the one adding criteria to your list! You are cheating. They are just as "original" and "exclusive" as anything on the DS.
Name some titles on DS that you think are good or whatever runs through your paedo-mind and I'll be glad to pick them apart for you, piece by piece.
Dude, I'll play along and post a list, but in all seriousness, refrain from the personal insults. That last one was particularly fucking offensive to me.
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- Trauma Center
- Hotel Dusk
- Kirby Canvas Curse
- Elite Beat Agents
- Ouendan
- Meteos
- Puzzle Quest
- Lunar Knights
- Phoenix Wright series
- Dragon Quest Heroes Rocket Slime
- New Super Mario Bros.
- Etrian Odyssey
- Super Robot Wars W
- Tetris DS
- Final Fantasy III
- Mario Kart DS
- Sonic Rush
- Izuna
- Wario Master of Disguise
Commence ripping.
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- Elite Beat Agents
- Ouendan
Same game, different music.
- Puzzle Quest
Also on PSP.
- Phoenix Wright series
PW1 and PW2 are GBA ports.
- Final Fantasy III
Remake of a NES game.
- Wario Master of Disguise
Crap.
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demi just asked me to post some good games on DS, he gave no other requirements. And EBA and Ouendan are not the same game, please stop with that silly GAF meme. ::)
PSP defenders, please stop derailing my awesome thread about how Sony is DEAD MAN WALKING.
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Wait...good games? Better take EBA and Ouendan off, then.
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Wait...good games? Better take EBA and Ouendan off, then.
I LOL'd.
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I bought Ouendan 1 and 2 and EBA. I sold them all. Don't like the music, not feeling the touch game play. I loved Gitaroo Man, too.
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Dude, do a DS hate thread. Cleanse yourself. But let's focus back on the purpose of this thread, which is to point and laugh at Sony's decaying corpse.
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PSP is good and far from dead.
PS3 on the other hand? Well let's just say. When you are selling far worse than gamecube was in the same time....well you are a complete joke.
I can't see how ANYONE believes PS3 isn't basically a joke this entire generation.
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Dude, do a DS hate thread. Cleanse yourself. But let's focus back on the purpose of this thread, which is to point and laugh at Sony's decaying corpse.
I don't hate the DS. I don't hate pieces of plastic with buttons and wires and shit. I don't like some of the games on the system, and yet I can still enjoy it. :o
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And I don't hate the PSP either, but some people are reacting rather angrily because I stated that it sucks. :lol
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PSP's definitely getting a second wind, what with the forthcoming redesign and a bunch of new exclusives announced. Underrated library on the system, here are my favorite games:
-Every Extend Extra
-Mega Man: Powered Up
-Lumines
-Gradius Portable
-Wipeout Pure
-Valkyrie Profile Lenneth
-Gurumin
I am up to the end guy of Gurumin, gonna try beating him today and starting Crush during my break :)
PS3 sucks though, Sony really needs a good humbling for a generation or two. And I might be the only person in the world who preferred PS1 to PS2, games-wise.
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PSP will improve its standing in my eyes once the Slim version comes out.
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Shoo, dcharlie.
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And I don't hate the PSP either, but some people are reacting rather angrily because I stated that it sucks. :lol
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Do you like anything good , Ichi?
I wrote something, but then decided not to go there. :P
lyte edge, since when does something sucking mean that you hate it? The two are not the same thing.
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PSP isn't a BAD platform, there is nothing wrong with liking it (as I like mine and own two of them and will get the new version) but the idea that PSP has better software than DS is a complete joke. It isn't even a matter of tastes. It's like comparing PS2's (the DS in this situation) library to that of say Dreamcast.
I haven't bought a DS game in forever, I mainly only buy 360 software but I can still recognize it has a better lineup than the other handhelds.
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Thank God, a voice of sanity. :bow :bow :bow
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lyte edge, since when does something sucking mean that you hate it? The two are not the same thing.
:dur
Uhhhh....
I don't know about you, but when I hear "that sucks," I don't usually get the impression that someone is talking about something that they like.
PSP isn't a BAD platform, there is nothing wrong with liking it (as I like mine and own two of them and will get the new version) but the idea that PSP has better software than DS is a complete joke. It isn't even a matter of tastes. It's like comparing PS2's (the DS in this situation) library to that of say Dreamcast.
I haven't bought a DS game in forever, I mainly only buy 360 software but I can still recognize it has a better lineup than the other handhelds.
IT IS A MATTER OF TASTE. WTF :punch :punch :punch
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Oh, lyte edge. So beautiful. So pure. So innocent.
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Someone doesn't know me very well. :-*
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You...couldn't possibly mean...anal...?
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My PSP went over to Ichirou's house and took a dump in his mouth while he was sleeping
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Sho Nuff, does the fact that I think the PSP sucks personally offend you? :rofl
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Don't look at me, I'm not the one who dropped a deuce into your grill
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I love both my PSP and DS. f off h8t3rz
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Don't look at me, I'm not the one who dropped a deuce into your grill
l a w l
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I have a DS Lite and a modded PSP. I win. :D
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A winner is indeed you.
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- Trauma Center
Port of Operation - The Board Game
- Hotel Dusk
Stripped down version of Shadowgate
- Kirby Canvas Curse
Console Port of Kirby
- Elite Beat Agents
- Ouendan
Stripped down versions of Bust a Groove
- Meteos
Stripped down version of Tetris
- Puzzle Quest
Available on PSP; Port of Bejeweled
- Lunar Knights
GBA Port
- Phoenix Wright series
GBA Ports
- Dragon Quest Heroes Rocket Slime
Stripped down version of Zelda Console
- New Super Mario Bros.
Stripped down version of Mario Console
- Etrian Odyssey
Port of Shining in the Darkness
- Super Robot Wars W
Port of some other RObot game that was on console
- Tetris DS
Oh, I think this one is a bit too obvious
- Final Fantasy III
Port / Remake of FF3 Console
- Mario Kart DS
Stripped down port of GCN Mario Kart
- Sonic Rush
Stripped down and beaten port of Sonic Console
- Izuna
Stripped down port of Nethack
- Wario Master of Disguise
Port of Wario GBA/GBC
A) Ports of previous console titles
B) Stripped down versions of console titles
C) Available on PSP
I can't believe you listed FF3 and said Mega Man doesn't count. Just where are these great DS games at? I'm just not seeing them. Sigh?
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You're too late, demi. You should've replied one page back, now I don't care anymore.
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outselling the 360 in europe and japan
about to introduce hsg3 bundle in japan, which is expected to sell by the truckload.
amazing q3/q4 2007.
i'd say the ps3 stands to make a comeback.
*shrug*
it really all depends on E3..
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All the shit that demi said: yeah all good if you feel that way about those games, but one point stands out: Kirby: CC is not a console port, its a totally unique platformer only possible on DS
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about to introduce hsg3 bundle in japan, which is expected to sell by the truckload.
Do you honestly think that will happen?
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about to introduce hsg3 bundle in japan, which is expected to sell by the truckload.
Do you honestly think that will happen?
why wouldn't it?
it's wildly popular in japan.
that's like asking if i honestly expect a GT5 bundle to sell by the truckload.
of course.
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considering how popular the series is, why wouldn't the bundle sell?
the ps3 isn't even that expensive in japan.
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WTF Kirby Canvas Curse isn't a port. That's the stylus one right? Totally not a port.
Also PS1 era games are nigh unplayable to me. They all look so awful.
Oh, and I bought Crush but haven't played it much MLB The Show is too addicting. DS sucks for quality portable sports games :(
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Canvas Curse is as much of a port as Ratchet Size Matters is, according to Ichirou.
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Canvas Curse is as much of a port as Ratchet Size Matters is, according to Ichirou.
Not exactly. You'll notice I didn't bold the Metal Gear Acid games you posted, because they play substantially different than their console iterations. Canvas Curse falls into the same category.
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Ok... so how does Kirby play differently, because it uses Stylus for movement? It is still the same game and mechanics.
Metal Gear Acid and Metal Gear Solid are two different animals, they are two completely different gametypes.
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Have you played it? Its plays differently to every other platformer
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Uh yeah dude, I have. It doesnt play "differently" it just uses the stylus for movement. It is still a Kirby game like all the others.
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Uh yeah dude, I have. It doesnt play "differently" it just uses the stylus for movement. It is still a Kirby game like all the others.
Bu-bu-bu-bu-but you draw the lines and the Kirby rides the lines an-an-an-an-and it's REVOLUTIONARY!
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Ok... so how does Kirby play differently, because it uses Stylus for movement? It is still the same game and mechanics.
Metal Gear Acid and Metal Gear Solid are two different animals, they are two completely different gametypes.
It's a different experience to any other platformer I've ever played.
At any rate, when you asked me for a list of games, you didn't give me any conditions as to whether they could be franchise titles or not. You simply asked me for a list of games that are good.
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Uh, so did you, and I used your criteria.
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Uh, so did you, and I used your criteria.
You should have specified you wanted me to list the games using the same criteria I set out for PSP titles, then. The DS is different because it carries on Nintendo's lineage of portable gaming, whereas the PSP depends on shit that was originally designed to be played on consoles.
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Can we please get back to talking about how Sony is dead after this gen?
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PSP is really successful
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PSP is really successful
Compared to the current sales of the Atari 2600.
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PSP is really successful
Compared to the current sales of the Atari 2600.
And compared to the PS3 :)
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wii will still outsell ps3 in japan next week futami
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wii will still outsell ps3 in japan next week futami
you're a loser who pines for the failure of a system.
fuck off, man.
as a gamer, i'd like to see the ps3 succeed. i don't even wish to see the 360 or wii fail, which separates me from you.
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wii will still outsell ps3 in japan next week futami
you're a loser who pines for the failure of a system.
fuck off, man.
as a gamer, i'd like to see the ps3 succeed. i don't even wish to see the 360 or wii fail, which separates me from you.
I don't wish for PS3 to fail, I just plain don't care if it succeeds or not. It's not my problem. I am WATCHING it fail but I don't have a emotional investment in it's failure. But it's failed and there is no precedent for it rising from where it has fallen in the history of gaming. Systems never go from dead last to first place.
It's not just a price issue, it's not just a game issue. It's a simple fact of PS3 (and 360 which is also struggling) don't offer what most consumers want. Which is light simple party entertainment software.
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so, suddenly the owners of the ps2 and xbox 1, who were interested in far more than light fare, don't count?
they don't matter?
grandmothers have superceded them as the primary gaming demo?
sure..
the fact is, once the price of the 360 and ps3 fall, the wii is a dead system.
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the fact is, once the price of the 360 and ps3 fall, the wii is a dead system.
that's not how the industy works kiddo. Price drops bring boosts in sales that are temporary then go back to normal. A price drop has NEVER sent a system off into first place.
Wii is the market leader, I prefer 360 and you prefer PS3 but the fact remains there are MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANY more casual family types that want simple entertainment than want the "bigger" games, its just no one tapped into them before.
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Price drops aren't gonna help either the 360 or PS3 that much in the long run... The American, European, and Japanese populace made up their minds already and they want Wiis. The race for 2nd place will be more interesting, considering the market split on the PS3/360.
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Price drops aren't gonna help either the 360 or PS3 that much in the long run... The American, European, and Japanese populace made up their minds already and they want Wiis. The race for 2nd place will be more interesting, considering the market split on the PS3/360.
exactly. Discuss who will be second place. Trying to predict wii's downfall is so...so...2005.
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Price drops aren't gonna help either the 360 or PS3 that much in the long run... The American, European, and Japanese populace made up their minds already and they want Wiis. The race for 2nd place will be more interesting, considering the market split on the PS3/360.
i have plenty of friends who're gamers, and not a single one of them have any interest in a wii.
it's FAR too early, with both the 360 and ps3 prohibitively priced, to be declaring the wii victor.
fact of the matter is, MOST of the gamers of last year, those on the xbox and ps2, do _not_ -- nor want to -- own a wii.
but hey, guys, keep the hope alive.
when the games are plentiful, and the pricing is consumer-friendly, the ps3 and 360 -- with their TRUE NEXT-GEN experience (moreso the ps3 than the 360) -- will tag team that glorified gamecube.
lastly, WHY would any of you want that dated piece of shit to win this generation?
the best looking games on the system -- super mario galaxy, for instance -- look like shit when compared to average ps3/360 titles.
if the wii were $99, i'd be more forgiving of it.
but at $250, it's an insult.
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Price drops aren't gonna help either the 360 or PS3 that much in the long run... The American, European, and Japanese populace made up their minds already and they want Wiis. The race for 2nd place will be more interesting, considering the market split on the PS3/360.
i have plenty of friends who're gamers, and not a single one of them have any interest in a wii.
it's FAR too early, with both the 360 and ps3 prohibitively priced, to be declaring the wii victor.
fact of the matter is, MOST of the gamers of last year, those on the xbox and ps2, do _not_ -- nor want to -- own a wii.
but hey, guys, keep the hope alive.
when the games are plentiful, and the pricing is consumer-friendly, the ps3 and 360 -- with their TRUE NEXT-GEN experience (moreso the ps3 than the 360) -- will tag team that glorified gamecube.
lastly, WHY would any of you want that dated piece of shit to win this generation?
the best looking games on the system -- super mario galaxy, for instance -- look like shit when compared to average ps3/360 titles.
if the wii were $99, i'd be more forgiving of it.
but at $250, it's an insult.
stop bringing up "gamers". They do not matter! Compared to the massive mainstream family audience buying up Wii's their importance in the market is minimal this generation.
Gamers are not the deciding factor in who is market leader right now.
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Price drops aren't gonna help either the 360 or PS3 that much in the long run... The American, European, and Japanese populace made up their minds already and they want Wiis. The race for 2nd place will be more interesting, considering the market split on the PS3/360.
i have plenty of friends who're gamers, and not a single one of them have any interest in a wii.
it's FAR too early, with both the 360 and ps3 prohibitively priced, to be declaring the wii victor.
fact of the matter is, MOST of the gamers of last year, those on the xbox and ps2, do _not_ -- nor want to -- own a wii.
but hey, guys, keep the hope alive.
when the games are plentiful, and the pricing is consumer-friendly, the ps3 and 360 -- with their TRUE NEXT-GEN experience (moreso the ps3 than the 360) -- will tag team that glorified gamecube.
lastly, WHY would any of you want that dated piece of shit to win this generation?
the best looking games on the system -- super mario galaxy, for instance -- look like shit when compared to average ps3/360 titles.
if the wii were $99, i'd be more forgiving of it.
but at $250, it's an insult.
stop bringing up "gamers". They do not matter! Compared to the massive mainstream family audience buying up Wii's their importance in the market is minimal this generation.
Gamers are not the deciding factor in who is market leader right now.
which might explain why 3rd parties are ambivalent on the system.
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Or likely due to it's unexpected rise. If there aren't a lot of wii games from third parties at e3 we will know. If there is a lot then third parties will have decided they have no other choice but focus on wii.
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Or likely due to it's unexpected rise. If there aren't a lot of wii games from third parties at e3 we will know. If there is a lot then third parties will have decided they have no other choice but focus on wii.
Careful how you throw the word game out there.
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Or likely due to it's unexpected rise. If there aren't a lot of wii games from third parties at e3 we will know. If there is a lot then third parties will have decided they have no other choice but focus on wii.
Careful how you throw the word game out there.
:lol ok NON-GAME too.
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Gamers are not the deciding factor in who is market leader right now.
Nor were they ever... The hardcore gamer never mattered, if they did, Katamari, Rez, Okami, would all be huge sellers.
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Gamers are not the deciding factor in who is market leader right now.
Nor were they ever... The hardcore gamer never mattered, if they did, Katamari, Rez, Okami, would all be huge sellers.
Those dont say hardcore, they say "niche" or "fruity"
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Gamers are not the deciding factor in who is market leader right now.
Nor were they ever... The hardcore gamer never mattered, if they did, Katamari, Rez, Okami, would all be huge sellers.
PS2 was not number one because of gamers either. It was number one because of familys buying on the cheap and could get madden and other casual games. Square-Enix, MGS, sony first party stuff (god of war...etc) had 0 impact on PS2's market placement.
A fault of many is thinking gamers have any impact on this market whatsoever. 40 year old mothers buying systems for their kids are the most powerful people determining who wins and loses.
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Square-Enix, MGS, sony first party stuff (god of war...etc) had 0 impact on PS2's market placement.
GTA did though.
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so you guys are saying that gt3 had no impact whatsoever :lol
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Square-Enix, MGS, sony first party stuff (god of war...etc) had 0 impact on PS2's market placement.
GTA did though.
and that was a game aimed and loved by the casual market of those who only buy like 1-2 games a year.
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why don't you people just argue about sales numbers on gaf anyway. :maf
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why don't you people just argue about sales numbers on gaf anyway. :maf
gt3 sold over 13 mln copies :maf
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why don't you people just argue about sales numbers on gaf anyway. :maf
gt3 sold over 13 mln copies :maf
gt3 had little impact on PS2's success. It was a side effect of it that came at the right time in the right place.
When GT 3 came out there was basically at that point no mainstream great software on the system at all, yet unlike PS3 the system was selling absolutely amazing regardless of that (thanks in part to it's only rival being a slowly dying dreamcast).
So when GT3 came out there was millions upon millions of systems out there in homes and still selling but without any compelling software for these console owners. GT3 hit and gave all of these millions of owners something to buy.
GT3 didn't make PS2 succeed, GT3 did well because of PS2's success without any software. PS2 was selling absolutely fantastic before GT3 hit, PS2 hit the ground running thanks to a lack of strong competition that gave it a year headstart to secure the market and thus secure the third parties.
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do you realize how many fans there are of the series?
gt5 will have the same impact.
you're on CRACK if you think people, looking at the price of the ps3, will balk at picking up the next-gen installment of gran turismo.
the majority of its sales came from japan and europe, the two areas where the ps3 is outperforming the 360 (at least, in pushing units).
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do you realize how many fans there are of the series?
gt5 will have the same impact.
you're on CRACK if you think people, looking at the price of the ps3, will balk at picking up the next-gen installment of gran turismo.
the majority of its sales came from japan and europe, the two areas where the ps3 is outperforming the 360 (at least, in pushing units).
at $600 (almost) every game will bomb
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GT3 is definitely among the games that pushed PS2 to stardom.
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do you realize how many fans there are of the series?
gt5 will have the same impact.
you're on CRACK if you think people, looking at the price of the ps3, will balk at picking up the next-gen installment of gran turismo.
the majority of its sales came from japan and europe, the two areas where the ps3 is outperforming the 360 (at least, in pushing units).
well PS3 is doing slightly worse in japan than usa but its hard to really call one "less worse" when in both regions it is faaaar under-performing compared to say gamecube last gen.
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why don't you people just argue about sales numbers on gaf anyway. :maf
gt3 sold over 13 mln copies :maf
gt3 had little impact on PS2's success. It was a side effect of it that came at the right time in the right place.
When GT 3 came out there was basically at that point no mainstream great software on the system at all, yet unlike PS3 the system was selling absolutely amazing regardless of that (thanks in part to it's only rival being a slowly dying dreamcast).
So when GT3 came out there was millions upon millions of systems out there in homes and still selling but without any compelling software for these console owners. GT3 hit and gave all of these millions of owners something to buy.
GT3 didn't make PS2 succeed, GT3 did well because of PS2's success without any software. PS2 was selling absolutely fantastic before GT3 hit, PS2 hit the ground running thanks to a lack of strong competition that gave it a year headstart to secure the market and thus secure the third parties.
I dunno about that. I remember going through a good amount of PS2s with GT3 packed-in back when it was released at the old shitty retail job...
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the majority of its sales came from japan and europe, the two areas where the ps3 is outperforming the 360 (at least, in pushing units).
erm... since when was the ps3 outperforming the 360 in europe?
isn`t the X360 ahead in installed user base?
i`m aware that X360 has hit a brick wall in europe and the ps3 is basically in a coma.
In Japan, the Ps3 is obviously outperforming the X360 but get this.
PS3 has been out now for 7 months in Japan...
... and it still hasn`t broken 1 million units sold.
that`s got to be a kick in the nuts for Sony.
ps3 is outselling the 360 in europe, in terms of units moved per month.
i never said its cumulative sales have eclipsed the 360's.
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the majority of its sales came from japan and europe, the two areas where the ps3 is outperforming the 360 (at least, in pushing units).
erm... since when was the ps3 outperforming the 360 in europe?
isn`t the X360 ahead in installed user base?
i`m aware that X360 has hit a brick wall in europe and the ps3 is basically in a coma.
In Japan, the Ps3 is obviously outperforming the X360 but get this.
PS3 has been out now for 7 months in Japan...
... and it still hasn`t broken 1 million units sold.
that`s got to be a kick in the nuts for Sony.
ps3 is outselling the 360 in europe, in terms of units moved per month.
i never said its cumulative sales have eclipsed the 360's.
Yet you realize in the end it doesn't matter since Wii is outselling both in all 3 regions but absurdly high margins. Both of "our" systems lost and we are fighting over second place like xbox and gamecube did.
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the majority of its sales came from japan and europe, the two areas where the ps3 is outperforming the 360 (at least, in pushing units).
erm... since when was the ps3 outperforming the 360 in europe?
isn`t the X360 ahead in installed user base?
i`m aware that X360 has hit a brick wall in europe and the ps3 is basically in a coma.
In Japan, the Ps3 is obviously outperforming the X360 but get this.
PS3 has been out now for 7 months in Japan...
... and it still hasn`t broken 1 million units sold.
that`s got to be a kick in the nuts for Sony.
ps3 is outselling the 360 in europe, in terms of units moved per month.
i never said its cumulative sales have eclipsed the 360's.
Yet you realize in the end it doesn't matter since Wii is outselling both in all 3 regions but absurdly high margins. Both of "our" systems lost and we are fighting over second place like xbox and gamecube did.
3rd parties aren't big on the wii, and they will remain focused on delivering next-gen experiences on the 360 and ps3 .
so it really doesn't matter HOW successful the wii is.
developers want to exploit the technology housed in the next-gen systems, and i don't see them abandoning that desire just to take advantage of the wii's userbase.
if they do, it's terrible for the gaming industry.
and gamers.
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If Wii wins, gaming loses.
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If Wii wins, gaming loses.
basically.
it's one of the biggest jokes i've ever witnessed in gaming.
i just can't understand how _any_ true gamer could want this system to succeed.
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
yes, because gameplay isn't affected just as much as graphics, seeing a proportional rise, when moving into the next-gen.
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ot: dc, how are the hot shots golf games for the ps2? i'm thinking of picking one up in the next couple of weeks orso. which one is the best?
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
The rallying cry of the wii apologists. The funny thing is that for gaming enthusiasts, the gameplay of most of the software is even more of a turnoff than the graphics are.
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dc, how are the hot shots golf games for the ps2?
i don`t know what the equivalent game is to it in the Hotshots series - but Mingol (Minna no Golf online) was absolutely fantastic - especially with the online set up. MG5 should be fantastic as it sounds like they are bring the online component back in.
Anyways, any of the PS2 version will do the trick.
you don't think hsg5 is going to bolster the ps3's presence in japan?
i think the impact, especially with the bundle, is going to be tremendous.
it just has to be.
japs can't be that cheap or stupid.
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dc, how are the hot shots golf games for the ps2?
i don`t know what the equivalent game is to it in the Hotshots series - but Mingol (Minna no Golf online) was absolutely fantastic - especially with the online set up. MG5 should be fantastic as it sounds like they are bring the online component back in.
Anyways, any of the PS2 version will do the trick.
you don't think hsg5 is going to bolster the ps3's presence in japan?
i think the impact, especially with the bundle, is going to be tremendous.
it just has to be.
japs can't be that cheap or stupid.
it will have no impact in the long term. A small boost that week but thats it.
Japan is(as is america it seems) OBSESSED with wii sports, wii play, brain training,...etc you think hot shots will change that? Not a chance.
Each gen has it's own trend. Last gen was gta and the endless gta knock off's. The SNES/GEN generation was the endless character based platformers.
This gen is the "simple party game" trend.
I mean look at this weeks japanese sales. It's over guys in Japan, absolutely over. The only battle that isn't over is the battle for second place in Europe and America.
DS 118,684
Wii 65,521
PSP 33,359
PS2 11,974
PS3 9,481
Xbox360 7,583
GBA 867
GC 223
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The PS3 is getting it's ass kicked in Japan, I'll give you that. But, you know that 360 sales will drop back down to their normal levels next week after the Trusty Bell lovin' dies down.
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The PS3 is getting it's ass kicked in Japan, I'll give you that. But, you know that 360 sales will drop back down to their normal levels next week after the Trusty Bell lovin' dies down.
obviously, but both are doing horrible numbers. The fact PS3 is far below gamecube's levels in Japan with Japan being the worst region for gcn sales last gen is something amazing. It seems soon we will see a lot of japanese third party drop off much like what happened on PSP. PS3 will probably be a more western dominated platform software wise.
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god, i hate nintendo.
and i loved the nes/snes.
but i never knew they were this hard up to win, this determined to fuck the rest of us.
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god, i hate nintendo.
and i loved the nes/snes.
but i never knew they were this hard up to win, this determined to fuck the rest of us.
You can love waggle all you want, but if and when the majority of titles that don't need it end up on the Wii, I'll be pissed.
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it's the gaming ghetto.
that's what the wii is.
given the profits sony are making, i don't know why they don't just abandon ship.
it's a lost cause, apparently, because nintendo has gone the 'tard route.
there's no reasoning with 'tards.
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
The rallying cry of the wii apologists. The funny thing is that for gaming enthusiasts, the gameplay of most of the software is even more of a turnoff than the graphics are.
Bingo. I grabbed a Wii because of launch hype and Zelda. All things considered I should have just grabbed Zelda for cube and saved $250 dollars.
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dc, how are the hot shots golf games for the ps2?
i don`t know what the equivalent game is to it in the Hotshots series - but Mingol (Minna no Golf online) was absolutely fantastic - especially with the online set up. MG5 should be fantastic as it sounds like they are bring the online component back in.
Anyways, any of the PS2 version will do the trick.
you don't think hsg5 is going to bolster the ps3's presence in japan?
i think the impact, especially with the bundle, is going to be tremendous.
it just has to be.
japs can't be that cheap or stupid.
Sony fans said the same thing over and over every time a new game came out for the PSP. The PS3 is selling even less than it was. One game isn't gonna change much.
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
yes, because gameplay isn't affected just as much as graphics, seeing a proportional rise, when moving into the next-gen.
::)
Well, as of now, nearly every single 360 game's gameplay can be done on a PS2, obviously not in HD and with shittier graphics.
I'll admit I am excited that the Wii is succeeding because its making graphics whores want to slit their wrists :-*
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
The rallying cry of the wii apologists. The funny thing is that for gaming enthusiasts, the gameplay of most of the software is even more of a turnoff than the graphics are.
The gameplay and controls are awful.
"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
The rallying cry of the wii apologists. The funny thing is that for gaming enthusiasts, the gameplay of most of the software is even more of a turnoff than the graphics are.
Bingo. I grabbed a Wii because of launch hype and Zelda. All things considered I should have just grabbed Zelda for cube and saved $250 dollars.
Pretty much.
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"True" gamers don't care about graphics, its all about gameplay.
yes, because gameplay isn't affected just as much as graphics, seeing a proportional rise, when moving into the next-gen.
::)
Well, as of now, nearly every single 360 game's gameplay can be done on a PS2, obviously not in HD and with shittier graphics.
I'll admit I am excited that the Wii is succeeding because its making graphics whores want to slit their wrists :-*
wow, way to qualify things.
:lol
well, sure, all of the 360's games can be done on the ps1, only with horrendously worse graphics and a framerate in the single digits.
forza 2, despite its shit visuals, wouldn't be possible the ps2 or xbox.
neither would motorstorm.
none of these physics intensive games would.
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Technology DOES allow for more things to be done with gameplay.
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Technology DOES allow for more things to be done with gameplay.
That's a lie!
LIAR WHORE LIAR LIAR WHORE AND YOU KNOW IT!
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I will be first to admit that graphics aren't everything, but you cannot deny the potential for some games as technology gets better. Still, I'm not exactly one who goes crazy over ridiculous graphics myself. I actually shun the thought of photo realistic graphics. I can appreciate them, but in the end, it's just something that gives a game more personality and little else. It's all about the gameplay though, and just because Wii has a so called "less emphasis on graphics, more on 'innovation and gameplay'" doesn't mean that this gameplay will also be my thing, or even remotely good.
As many recent, highly lauded Wii games have shown, like SSX Blur or Sonic and the Secret Rings, Wii games are lacking graphical finesse and good gameplay. I am just not convinced that Wii is the right solution, poop slung at graphic whores' faces or not. It has turned a deep problem into a overly simplified solution.
Why is that Nintendo says traditional controls are too complex now, but it takes someone who's been playing games his whole life 30 minutes to 2 hours to adjust to the controls in SSX Blur? That is uncalled for.
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One thing that I don't get is how so many people see the Wii as a real threat to the kind of games that core videogamers want to play and the availability of those games on modern console and PC hardware. A Nintendo console dominated future is a bleak, if not disastrous, future for third parties, and the third parties know it and the fact that the Wii is getting tablescrap support from those third parties is no coincidence.
With something like the PS3 or 360, third parties can take their marquee titles and beat out all but the most colossal of first party releases. On the Wii, a good third party effort can get demolished at retail by something as dumb and inane as Big Brain Training or Mario Party, because that's what people buy the system for-Nintendo games.
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One thing that I don't get is how so many people see the Wii as a real threat to the kind of games that core videogamers want to play and the availability of those games on modern console and PC hardware.
I assume you meant 'how so many people DONT' see the wii as a real threat'.
A Nintendo console dominated future is a bleak, if not disastrous, future for third parties, and the third parties know it and the fact that the Wii is getting tablescrap support from those third parties is no coincidence.
With something like the PS3 or 360, third parties can take their marquee titles and beat out all but the most colossal of first party releases. On the Wii, a good third party effort can get demolished at retail by something as dumb and inane as Big Brain Training or Mario Party, because that's what people buy the system for-Nintendo games.
What was the last good third party game on the Wii?
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One thing that I don't get is how so many people see the Wii as a real threat to the kind of games that core videogamers want to play and the availability of those games on modern console and PC hardware. A Nintendo console dominated future is a bleak, if not disastrous, future for third parties, and the third parties know it and the fact that the Wii is getting tablescrap support from those third parties is no coincidence.
If third parties are attempting to stop it from leading it has backfired horribly. Nintendo will rule this market with a iron fist, NES style unless something drastic happens.
Either third parties have to make up with their new overlord or lose money.
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One thing that I don't get is how so many people see the Wii as a real threat to the kind of games that core videogamers want to play and the availability of those games on modern console and PC hardware. A Nintendo console dominated future is a bleak, if not disastrous, future for third parties, and the third parties know it and the fact that the Wii is getting tablescrap support from those third parties is no coincidence.
With something like the PS3 or 360, third parties can take their marquee titles and beat out all but the most colossal of first party releases. On the Wii, a good third party effort can get demolished at retail by something as dumb and inane as Big Brain Training or Mario Party, because that's what people buy the system for-Nintendo games.
this is what i've always figured, and perhaps i am overreacting.
i truly believe that third parties, aware of what a wii dominated industry would mean for true gaming, won't accomodate nintendo.
let's hope we're right.
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The thing is if true then it has little effect. This is not your gamecube's nintendo.
This is badass controlling the market power Nintendo of the NES era. A Nintendo that third parties FEARED. And it looks like unless a drastic extremely unlikely shift happens third parties will be in that world again.
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third parties can make enough money off of the 360 and ps3 (once its penetration increases). they can give the wii shovelware, which is exactly what a recent report suggested.
third parties don't HAVE to do anything for nintendo.
looking at the lineups, it's pretty clear third parties more interested in developing for the ps3 and 360.
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You're forgetting that it's also a Nintendo that 3rd parties HATED. Do you know what devs had to do have a game on the NES during those days?
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This is badass controlling the market power Nintendo of the NES era. A Nintendo that third parties FEARED. And it looks like unless a drastic extremely unlikely shift happens third parties will be in that world again.
See, the thing is that the Wii could have two times the userbase of the 360 and PS3 combined in the US (won't happen, though, and Japan doesn't matter to US third parties because it's not like they can sell their games there anyway) and third party games would still be a better prospect on those platforms. Especially if you're looking for the kind of breakout 3 million plus sold title-you'll never see a third party game on the Wii hit those numbers because of the demographic and brutal, uncaring first party competition. You can, however, pull it off on the PS3/360/PC triumvirate, where you have a more receptive userbase that buys more games, and far less first party competition.
I think a lot of people don't "get" what casual gamers buy when they buy Nintendo hardware. They buy Nintendo games, and they don't buy games nearly as often overall as 360/PS3 owners, save for the hardcore Nintendo manchildren.
The Wii can "win" and still lose in terms of third party support. It's not as simple as big sales leading to big third party investment, at least that's how I see it and how a lot of execs in the industry seem to see it.
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This is badass controlling the market power Nintendo of the NES era. A Nintendo that third parties FEARED. And it looks like unless a drastic extremely unlikely shift happens third parties will be in that world again.
See, the thing is that the Wii could have two times the userbase of the 360 and PS3 combined in the US (won't happen, though, and Japan doesn't matter to US third parties because it's not like they can sell their games there anyway) and third party games would still be a better prospect on those platforms. Especially if you're looking for the kind of breakout 3 million plus sold title-you'll never see a third party game on the Wii hit those numbers because of the demographic and brutal, uncaring first party competition. You can, however, pull it off on the PS3/360/PC triumvirate, where you have a more receptive userbase that buys more games, and far less first party competition.
I think a lot of people don't "get" what casual gamers buy when they buy Nintendo hardware. They buy Nintendo games, and they don't buy games nearly as often overall as 360/PS3 owners, save for the hardcore Nintendo manchildren.
If third party devs make games that people want to buy, then they'll get a Wii or whatever console. I'm not inclined to believe the average Nintendo fanboy is any more discriminating than the average Sony or MS fanboy (as far as first party titles go).
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If third party devs make games that people want to buy, then they'll get a Wii or whatever console. I'm not inclined to believe the average Nintendo fanboy is any more discriminating than the average Sony or MS fanboy (as far as first party titles go).
This isn't really about fanboys-it's about the demographic of the people buying the products. On the PS3/360 end, you've got a bunch of people-mostly males in their 20s and 30s-with plenty of disposable income who are buying the systems for the games and the whiz-bang tech, and wind up buying and playing a lot of games-they are enthusiasts.
A lot of the people buying the Wii right now are a different demographic entirely, and aren't going to be buying as many games as the 360/PS3 buyer will-and when they do buy a game, it'll in all likelyhood be a Nintendo one.
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If third party devs make games that people want to buy, then they'll get a Wii or whatever console. I'm not inclined to believe the average Nintendo fanboy is any more discriminating than the average Sony or MS fanboy (as far as first party titles go).
A lot of the people buying the Wii right now are a different demographic entirely, and aren't going to be buying as many games as the 360/PS3 buyer will-and when they do buy a game, it'll in all likelyhood be a Nintendo one.
At this point, I would agree, if only for the fact that there are hardly any noteworthy third party titles have been announced on the Wii for people to bother getting excited for.
The point I'm trying to make here is that if/once a steady stream of third party titles start appearing, then those who aren't interested in Nintendo games will eventually get it.
Sure, Xbox360 games sell great. But come on, let's at least try and be fair. 360 gets Oblivion, Gears of War, and Lost Planet while Wii gets...SSX Blur? The reason you see Nintendo titles dominate most of the time is cause they're the ones that are usually done with any effort involved (yes, not all the time, obviously). Therefore, it only makes sense that the only game comparable to those 360 games that I mentioned is something like Zelda.
Then if you compare something like PS2 to GC, well then you're comparing a system that has over 3,000 games to one that has probably less than 500. Can you blame the demographics then?
Userbase --> Software ---> userbase. This has always been the case, and most likely always will be.
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What was the last good third party game on the Wii?
Kororinpa
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Nintendo has been notoriously reluctant to pimp third party titles like Microsoft and Sony have because of their first party sales Oblivion.
I don't know, they tried with Red Steel at least. Even let it be the first Wii game revealed, while putting games like Galaxy as an afterthought (well, at E3 anyway).
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I expect Crystal Chronicles and Umbrella Chronicles to do really well, 3rd party wise. Like others said, the reason most 3rd party stuff doesn't sell on Wii (so far) is because the majority of it was halfassed. There wasn't any shortage of quality 3rd party software on either the NES or SNES now, was there?