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The Fake Shemp

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So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« on: June 29, 2007, 03:43:20 PM »
Did we ever get a definitive answer?
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 03:45:25 PM »
iirc, in the book it is NOT real

Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 04:15:32 PM »
Ellis said in Lunar Park that it's not real, but...well, Lunar Park is pretty heavily mired in fiction anyway.

Does it matter?
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 04:53:00 PM »
YES I WANT TO KNOW
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 04:55:42 PM »
So, basically, the lawyer doesn't even remember who Bateman or Paul Allen is because all yuppies look alike?
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 05:59:07 PM »
i've always wondered this, too, because the woman (in whom's closet bateman put the body) gave him a look as if though she took care of the body and got rid of it while the lawyer made everything seem fine. it always bothered me.
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 06:41:02 PM »
So, basically, the lawyer doesn't even remember who Bateman or Paul Allen is because all yuppies look alike?

That's a heavily reoccurring issue in the book, but it doesn't seem to be particularly clear in the movie, especially when you can see these people and realize that they're pretty easily distinguishable.

I would say the movie leans heavily towards the killings being not real, whereas the book elaborates more on the details that allow of the possibility of the reality of it all.  If Mary Harron says the movie is supposed to make it seem as though it's real, well then I guess she's calling herself a shitty director.
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2007, 07:55:28 AM »
I've always leaned towards it being real. To me, the whole thing is just a giant statement about 80's excess, and how, provided you wore the right clothes, listened to the right music, ate at the right restaurants, and had the right job, you could, in fact, get away with murder.

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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2007, 12:24:56 PM »
The truth is nobody knows.  The comments of the directirss are intentionally ambigous.  With the book its the same thing.
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2007, 02:22:24 PM »
Both the book and the movie are fake.  Come on, the chainsaw scene?  The killing spree scene (Chase, Manhattan in the book, which is in some ways more ridiculous)?  He shoots a cop car twice and it explodes.  Feed me a kitten, and a kitten happens to be right there? The most telling thing of the movie, and people seem to ignore this, is that there are two cuts of him walking into his lobby, one with him killing the person at the desk, the other with him frantically getting into the elevator without the murdering.  The second, non-killing cut, is him waking from his fantasy:  none of the shit happened, but he thought it did.

It is even more obvious in the book.  In the aforementioned, notorious Chase Manhattan scene, the narrative slips from first to third person, indicating that this is not happening, but Patrick himself is envisioning it happening.  Another key giveaways in the book include the ridiculous scene where he kills a child at the zoo.  Most telling is the book's buildup.  In the book, not only is it a very long time before we see Patrick do something crazy, it's also quite a bit before we even hear him say or think something psycho-y.  Sometimes he says something that can be taken as creepy, but nothing your average Joe hasn't said when dealing with people he dislikes.
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2007, 01:22:02 AM »
I always thought it was pretty obvious it wasn't real but just a series of increasingly grotesque fantasies of a person suffering some sort of mental breakdown.

I want someone to explain Glamorama to me now.
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Re: So was the ending for American Psycho REAL or not?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2007, 01:30:59 AM »
I've read Glamorama five times and I still don't really understand all of it. I've always enjoyed that aspect of it, though - just that feeling that we know about as much about what's going on as Victor does.
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