The A-Bombing Subject

[brawndolicious]

10,000 tons just laying around in one spot?  I know the U.S. treasury had that and that's how the U.S. was able to do it but there's a reason all the nuclear facilities were built by the U.S. in WW2.

I'm just pretty sure I heard Japan wasn't seriously looking at building the bomb, do you know if that part's true or not?

[Boogie]

I'm just pretty sure I heard Japan wasn't seriously looking at building the bomb, do you know if that part's true or not?

Of course I do.  Because unlike you, I don't spout off on a topic if I DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT IT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_atomic_program

[brawndolicious]

I read about it a long time ago, it was Germany that gave up on their nuclear weapons program but Japan, according to the sourceless article you posted, had no where near enough people or facilities to make a nuclear bomb especially since there was nobody to supply them with uranium after Germany surrendered.

[Boogie]

I read about it a long time ago, it was Germany that gave up on their nuclear weapons program but Japan, according to the sourceless article you posted, had no where near enough people or facilities to make a nuclear bomb especially since there was nobody to supply them with uranium after Germany surrendered.

The fact that they weren't close to making a bomb, doesn't mean they weren't seriously trying to do so.

[brawndolicious]

methodis was saying something about them funding the atomic bomb development more.  I think the government knew they were  years away from making a bomb.

[futami]

While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants.  Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives.  Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.   

there's simply no equivalency to be drawn between the loss of life that MAY have ensued after an invasion and the instant incineration of tens of thousands of civilians by the deployment of the atomic bomb.

morally speaking, i would have taken my chances with an invasion.

use of the a-bomb was a cruel, insane act of terror.

[MrAngryFace]

iirc the united states was even surprised at the devastation. Im not ENTIRELY sure the use of the second bomb was required, but the 1st bomb would have been dropped by someone eventually, and from a certain point of view the bomb was 'used well' as horrible as that sounds.

Its neat to get all moral high ground but War bends most ideals to their breaking point. You argue that people are animals and people pushed to their limit are all capable of crazy things when it comes to a pro wrestler, but you can't seem to see even a remote bit of justification in the use of the a-bomb to end the second world war.

[FlameOfCallandor]

While it was horrible that civilians were killed, we must remember that the emperor ordered ALL the civilians of japan to resist invaders to the last man, woman and child, so you could technically consider them enemy combatants.  Also, the effects of the A-bomb were/are horrible on any survivors but let's remember that the use of that bomb saved millions of lives, including millions of japanese lives.  Like Cyanista said too, they weren't dropped for revenge, all America wanted was for the war to be over.   

there's simply no equivalency to be drawn between the loss of life that MAY have ensued after an invasion and the instant incineration of tens of thousands of civilians by the deployment of the atomic bomb.

morally speaking, i would have taken my chances with an invasion.

use of the a-bomb was a cruel, insane act of terror.

Taking a chance? Your a fucking idiot. Tell that to the tens of thousands of soldiers that would have died.

[MrAngryFace]

On both sides. Add to that the very good chance a much longer lasting animosity would exist between Japan and America over the shared loss of life.

[Candyflip]

Can someone post the plan that was proposed as an alternative to the A-Bomb? I can never remember the name.

[The Fake Shemp]

WORLD WAR 2.5

[Boogie]

Can someone post the plan that was proposed as an alternative to the A-Bomb? I can never remember the name.

The invasion plans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_downfall

[futami]

iirc the united states was even surprised at the devastation. Im not ENTIRELY sure the use of the second bomb was required, but the 1st bomb would have been dropped by someone eventually, and from a certain point of view the bomb was 'used well' as horrible as that sounds.

Its neat to get all moral high ground but War bends most ideals to their breaking point. You argue that people are animals and people pushed to their limit are all capable of crazy things when it comes to a pro wrestler, but you can't seem to see even a remote bit of justification in the use of the a-bomb to end the second world war.

i never said there wasn't a justification to be found in the bomb's deployment.

justification can be found anywhere, i think, even that which we take moral umbrage with.

i said there is no equivalency between invading japan and dropping a bomb that saw scores of civilians wiped out in a matter of seconds.

sure civilians would have died either way, but one of the acts was a viciously cheap tactic that should have been rejected.

[FlameOfCallandor]

one of the acts was a viciously cheap tactic that should have been rejected.

We are talking about war here. A world war. Not some video game.

[Fresh Prince]

Oh Japan:

Japan's Defence Minister Fumio Kyuma has resigned amid a row over remarks he made about the US atom bomb attacks on Japan during World War II.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6263812.stm

[MyNameIsMethodis]

What the fuck guys you took my joke thread and made it serious

[Tauntaun]

there's simply no equivalency to be drawn between the loss of life that MAY have ensued after an invasion and the instant incineration of tens of thousands of civilians by the deployment of the atomic bomb.

morally speaking, i would have taken my chances with an invasion.

use of the a-bomb was a cruel, insane act of terror.

K, um you do realize that in EVERY SINGLE BATTLE against the japanese in the pacific there were almost NO SURVIVORS on the japanese side because they always fought to the death by either dying in battle or committing suicide right?  Also, they knew exactly where we were going to land.  a significantly bigger loss of life would have ensued had we invaded.

[brawndolicious]

What the fuck guys you took my joke thread and made it serious

how the hell would you expect this to be funny when you let it drag on for 4 pages? you have to admit it's a joke in the first few posts.