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FlameOfCallandor

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I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770


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When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.


By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.


And though many British extremists are angered by the deaths of fellow Muslim across the world, what drove me and many others to plot acts of extreme terror within Britain and abroad was a sense that we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary worldwide Islamic state that would dispense Islamic justice.

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Formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for the separation of state and religion: they are considered to be one and the same.


Van Cruncheon

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gee, press-friendly blurbs from a guy on the outs with his religion. that's like asking a recent ex-catholic what the source of all political trouble in rome is.

how about you talk to some real practicing muslims and study up on the qu'ran, racist?
« Last Edit: July 02, 2007, 10:47:28 PM by Professor Prole »
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brawndolicious

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I say we ban FoC if he can't take a picture with a quran in his hand and I'll ask him to read random passages (I'll recommend ones I know of and somebody else can recommend some random number and both of us will flip to that).  If he can't do that and summarize a few prayers at least then he deserves to be banned.  He can find a quran in probably any library.

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Let's play:
Seperation of church and state in Christian theology is a misnomer. Something that is said and not done. 
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fact of the matter is, europe is overrun by these homicidal windbags of piety.

now, while i eschew labels, many would characterize me as leftist.

but damn if i can't stand these islamic nutjobs.

 

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fact of the matter is, europe is overrun by these homicidal windbags of piety.


FACT of the matter is?

No one likes nutjobs of any kind, but that certainly doesn't = "europe is overrun"



hmm, when muslim thugs can riot with impunity at the slightest provocation, it means they've overrun the state.

and i'm treating the EU as one state.

when muslim thugs can lay siege to cities when an "infidel" decides to exercise his/her free speech, it means they've overrun the state.

now, i understand that there are peaceful and loving muslims, but it's clear their voices of reason are cowed by the reigning thugs who represent the mainstream islamic movement.

luckily, unlike you pliant euro-weenies, we aren't going to tolerate that bullshit.

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but futami, with only one life to live on this planet we call "earth," shouldn't we be trying to expose ourselves to as many different religions and ways of thinking as possible?

our european muslim brothers are my "life partners" on my journey to find myself. their riotous behavior causes me to engage the status quo and find my own path, free from the shackles of judeochristian society's expectations.

also my jeans cost $400
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We did tolerate it, by not printing the cartoon. Every newespaper in America shoulve printed that fucking cartoon as a show of free speech.

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but futami, with only one life to live on this planet we call "earth," shouldn't we be trying to expose ourselves to as many different religions and ways of thinking as possible?

our european muslim brothers are my "life partners" on my journey to find myself. their riotous behavior causes me to engage the status quo and find my own path, free from the shackles of judeochristian society's expectations.

also my jeans cost $400

i don't embrace illiberal thuggery.

in the organized sense, i'm not religious.

FlameOfCallandor

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This is what these shit bags are taught by their radical leaders. Look at this

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Along with many of my former peers, I was taught by Pakistani and British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth, land, mind and belief.


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This has left the territory open for radicals to claim as their own. I should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, I repeatedly came across those who had tried to raise these issues with mosque authorities only to be banned from their grounds.

Voices of reason getting banned for speaking out.

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um.

you DO realize that the Daily Mail is a tabloid-level "news" magazine shelved next to the National Enquirer and Sun. Right?

No, of course you don't. Because you're a racist fuck.
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FlameOfCallandor

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I didn't know that because I dont live in the UK.

I guess a story about an ex-terrorist speaking out against Islam is too far fetched to believe.

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on top of that, he can't even read his own quotes: "I was taught by Pakistani and British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth, land, mind and belief."

racist fuck total. jesus christ, you shouldn't be allowed to hold an opinion if you don't have basic education or reading ability.
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FlameOfCallandor

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I fail to see your point.

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even this anecdotal conservative strawman of an interviewee notes that it is RADICAL (defined as "not mainstream") ISLAMIC PREACHERS who are ATTACKING A KEY PEACEFUL TENET OF ISLAM TO JUSTIFY THEIR "WAR".

i'm sorry, FoC, you honestly cannot be this obtuse. seriously, how can you have passed college courses -- did your dad pay the professors off or something?
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Just ban him if he can't do the quran reading thing I said in a week.  At the very least he's going to read his own articles for the next week.

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From a review of Hitchens' book

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Consistency is foolish, as the man said. (Didn’t he?) Under the unwritten and somewhat eccentric rules of American public discourse, a statement that contradicts everything you have ever said before is considered for that reason to be especially sincere, courageous and dependable.

You can always find an apostate of an extreme social, political, or religious movement who's willing and eager to dish about his former beliefs and the people who shared them.  Taken with a grain of salt and in a larger context, it can be useful.

However, these people don't have any special authority just because they got suckered into it in the first place.  If anything, it would suggest that person has some pretty poor judgment.

This guy reads a lot like David Horowitz.  Someone who was on a radical fringe, left it, then started telling everyone who would listen not just how awful that fringe was, but that the fringe was actually representative of the principles of a much broader, mainstream movement.

Saying that the peaceful, mainstream movement bears responsibility for the fringe is ironic, since it's putting responsibility for the author's own fuckup on the people who weren't dumb enough to make his mistakes.  People whose very existence serves to disprove the Islam = Jihad or Liberalism = The Weathermen conflation they try to push.