Did they mean to kill off Spock in Star Trek II or was he always coming back?

[The Fake Shemp]

I never saw Wrath of Khan theatrically, so I'm unaware, but when Spock died (which was a legitimately awesome moment) was it meant to be for good or did they always have the Genesis resurrection thing up their sleeves?  It kind of takes away some of the impact from the otherwise awesome Wrath of Khan knowing that used some hokey plot device to bring him back from the dead.

[The Fake Shemp]

I hope this thread does not devolve into the Internet meme of "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!!!!"

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I liked the Genesis project in Star Trek III. Sure, it was a little goofy, but you can tell that the writers weren't taking it seriously. So why should we? Sometimes you want to turn off your brain and watch the Enterprise crew have adventures in space, ya know?

Final grade: B-

[The Fake Shemp]

I am going to make Comic Sans the default font for the forum now!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I dare you! I'll just override it with the [ font ] tag in every post!

[TVC15]

I never saw Wrath of Khan theatrically, so I'm unaware, but when Spock died (which was a legitimately awesome moment) was it meant to be for good or did they always have the Genesis resurrection thing up their sleeves?  It kind of takes away some of the impact from the otherwise awesome Wrath of Khan knowing that used some hokey plot device to bring him back from the dead.

Anyone's guess, but being that III came out just 2 years later, I find it difficult to believe anyone behind the cameras thought he was going to stay dead.

That said, despite a decent box office, the original movie was considered a disappointment, so maybe the brains behind the movies figured it could actually end up being permanent.

My take, without knowing the background:  They thought this would be the last Star Trek movie.  If they had already begun developing a story for his comeback during the course of making II, I doubt 3 would have ended up as shitty as it did.

So. . .little from column A, little from column B.  It's all a rich tapestry.

[The Fake Shemp]

You saw through my empty threat.  I dislike Comic Sans too much to do that and I love you too much to make you go through so much work.

So can anyone answer my original question or shall I just go watch Videodrome instead?

[The Fake Shemp]

I haven't watched Search for Spock in maybe 10 years.  Is it as bad as I remember?

[TVC15]

You should probably watch Videodrome.  Star Trek III is the second worst Trek flick, and it doesn't deserve to be pondered.

[The Fake Shemp]

REAL TALK: I have never seen Videodrome in its entirety.

[The Fake Shemp]

Also, what's the WORST Trek flick in your opinion?  Final Frontier or the last two duds?

[Vizzys]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

[TVC15]

Also, what's the WORST Trek flick in your opinion?  Final Frontier or the last two duds?

V is one of my favorites, no troll.  You should know this by now.  I will make your Transformers and Spider-Man apologism look tame in comparison.

The worst one (and fyi, I don't count movies after 6) is IV.  It was the ultimate betrayal, using a lazy plot to do a silly fish out of water movie.  I am well aware that classic Trek had its fish out of water episodes, but in 4 it was played for laughs, not good scifi.  The folks behind the series knew they were reaching huge mass and bringing in the numbers, so they pulled the biggest mass market grab possible.

6 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 3 > 4

Sometimes I swap 5 and 1, but 1, despite having bloody incredible production, is pretty boring.

[The Fake Shemp]

I have never seen the first one, just because everyone tells me it's boring.

Why do most people think the Save the Whales movie is the best?

[TVC15]

I have never seen the first one, just because everyone tells me it's boring.

You seem to appreciate movies just for production values in some cases.  Star Trek has the best early modern scifi values this side of Blade Runner.  It is a very pretty movie.  The model work, the sets, the score. . . all just about flawless for their time.

Why do most people think the Save the Whales movie is the best?

It was aimed at the widest audience.  Non-trek fans could appreciate it.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, I was going to post, what the hell happened to Trek scores?  James Horner used to pump it out with the best of 'em and now they're awfully generic.  I guess the real question is, what the fuck happened to James Horner?

[The Fake Shemp]

Star Trek IV bothered me when I was younger because I could never understand why a giant, floating sausage link that uses some kind of glowing soccer ball needed to hear whale noises to determine whether or not to annihilate a species.

[TVC15]

Having the Star Trek crew come to modern day earth is only slightly less distinguished mentally-challenged than having Rob Schneider turn into a woman or act like an animal.

[The Fake Shemp]

But look, Scotty doesn't know how to use a mid-80s PC! Chekov can't speak English! Hilarity ensued!

[Ichirou]

You saw through my empty threat.  I dislike Comic Sans too much to do that and I love you too much to make you go through so much work.

So can anyone answer my original question or shall I just go watch Videodrome instead?

Initially, Nimoy wanted Star Trek II to be his last Trek movie, but as the movie went on, he found himself having a good time and regretting having the death written into the script, so they added the small scene where Spock tells McCoy to "Remember" and renders him unconscious, without knowing how they might handle it if a third film was greenlit.  So, basically, they knew they were probably going to bring the character back in the third movie, they just didn't know exactly how.

[Mondain]

uh, I viewed a documentary about Nimoy many years ago, and he said that he was asked to participate on STII, and to convince him they said that Spock died in the script, which he liked since he wanted to do away with the character

and then in the third they somehow convinced Nimoy to participate again, and figured out a way to revive him

[DJ_Tet]

I have never seen the first one, just because everyone tells me it's boring.

You should watch 1.  It's slow, but not really all that boring, especially if you have rudimentary knowledge of our real space program.  I enjoyed it for what it was, although it is tame compared to Kahn.

[Van Cruncheon]

Star Trek IV bothered me when I was younger because I could never understand why a giant, floating sausage link that uses some kind of glowing soccer ball needed to hear whale noises to determine whether or not to annihilate a species.

yet a movie about transforming robots from an 80s toy franchise who need a glowing energy source and, and, and

...

and it's played for mass-market laughs to and, and, and

...

oh fuck it

:'(

[The Fake Shemp]

If Star Trek IV had giant robots fighting in the streets of San Francisco, I would own it on DVD, good sir!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

If Star Trek IV had giant robots fighting in the streets of San Francisco, I would own it on DVD, good sir!

no alarms and no surprises here

[The Fake Shemp]

As if I am insulting Star Trek's good name - The Voyage Home is one of the worst ones, Patel!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

is there a scene in Transformers where Jazz punches a street punk listening to hippity-hop musicks on his booming box

[The Fake Shemp]

Of course not, because Jazz is black in the movie and uses circa 1986 black talk to communicate and therefor would love hip-hop music!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

how is a robot black? does he shoopdawhoop or something.

[TVC15]

how is a robot black? does he shoopdawhoop or something.

According to Optimus, they learned to speak english via the internet, so I guess Jazz just lurked on those blackie hip hop forums TBS gets owned on.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I CAN HAS ALLSPARK?

[TVC15]

I CAN HAS ALLSPARK?

no homo

[Boogie]

Also, what's the WORST Trek flick in your opinion?  Final Frontier or the last two duds?

Nemesis, by far.

[dsn2k]

First Contact is the best Trek film, then Voyager went and destroyed the Borg.  :'(

[Cheebs]

I always change my mind when I rank them so I'll rate:

TOS:
1. The Motion Picture: 6.5/10
2. The Wrath of Khan: 9.5/10
3. The Search for Spock: 8/10
4. The Voyage Home: 8.5/10 (fuck you haters)
5. The Final Frontier: 6/10 (under-rated somewhat)
6. The Undiscovered Country: 9/10

TNG:
1. Generations: 7.5/10
2. First Contact: 9/10
3. Insurrection: 4/10
4. Nemesis: 6.5/10

[Bloodwake]

Final Frontier was a massive dog turd except for ONE SCENE. ONE SCENE.

The scene with McCoy revisiting his father's death was good. THAT WAS IT.

The rest of the movie is dogshit, plain and simple.

[TVC15]

Final Frontier was a massive dog turd except for ONE SCENE. ONE SCENE.

The scene with McCoy revisiting his father's death was good. THAT WAS IT.

The rest of the movie is dogshit, plain and simple.

Get fucked, you tasteless munger.

[Bloodwake]

Final Frontier was a massive dog turd except for ONE SCENE. ONE SCENE.

The scene with McCoy revisiting his father's death was good. THAT WAS IT.

The rest of the movie is dogshit, plain and simple.

Get fucked, you tasteless munger.

Seriously, please tell me, WHY do you like V?

[Cheebs]

TFF was enjoyable for one key reason.

DeForest Kelley, Shatner, and Nimoy playing off one another for 2 hours straight. Those 3 dudes thrown in a scene together tends to always deliver. And after having them basically be split up in both III and IV it was  refreshing.

[TVC15]

Final Frontier was a massive dog turd except for ONE SCENE. ONE SCENE.

The scene with McCoy revisiting his father's death was good. THAT WAS IT.

The rest of the movie is dogshit, plain and simple.

Get fucked, you tasteless munger.

Seriously, please tell me, WHY do you like V?

Use your head and watch it with an open mind.  Open to interpretation.  I believe the movie is somewhat of a 2 hour dream sequence.

[Ichirou]

Star Trek V is all a mushroom trip that Kirk and company have while they're on the camping trip.  Notice how they're wearing the exact same clothes at the campout at the end that they have on at the start.

[TVC15]

Star Trek V is all a mushroom trip that Kirk and company have while they're on the camping trip.  Notice how they're wearing the exact same clothes at the campout at the end that they have on at the start.

YES!  Except the dream theory is more workable.  It is Shatner's dream.  Only Shatner's ego is big enough to pit his most popular iteration against god in a dream

[AdmiralViscen]

What's the cheapest I could get all the TOS movies?

[TVC15]

What's the cheapest I could get all the TOS movies?

I think the only way is to buy them individually.  If there is a set, I haven't seen it.  There may have been one some years ago.

Star Trek DVDs and videos are probably the most price-controlled DVD sets out there.  I won't even pay for them.  I love TOS a whole fucking ton (best scifi TV out there aside from Doctor Who), but the prices on the DVD sets never budge.

[The Fake Shemp]

You can find dealer specials every now and then, but Paramount never lowers the MSRP.  They sell too well to their demographic.

[Ichirou]

Why does God need a starship?!

I bought this:

http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN924915

And it is AMAZING.

[The Fake Shemp]

Does it come with a hole so you can fuck it?  Because there's no way you will be able to fuck a woman after buying that.

[AdmiralViscen]

Does it come with a hole so you can fuck it?  Because there's no way you will be able to fuck a woman after buying that.

 

[Ichirou]

Does it come with a hole so you can fuck it?  Because there's no way you will be able to fuck a woman after buying that.

Meh, I've bought geekier things.