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http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/07/12/dirt-for-the-ps3-looks-fantastic-compared-to-the-360/

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PlayStation 3 owners currently have to deal with some headaches when it comes to third party multiplatform titles. Games like Rainbow 6 and GRAW 2 come months and months after the 360/PC versions and games like The Darkness that arrive on time frequently are missing a couple of the graphical flourishes found on the other versions. It's frustrating though not entirely unexpected considering the complexity of the PS3 and it's shorter time on the market. Fortunately, as developers get more accustomed to developing for the PlayStation 3 they're getting better and better at making the PS3 version of multiplatform games.

Codemaster's DiRT is a good example, while it is arriving a couple months after the PC/360 version it's not a huge delay and it appears that the time isn't being spent simply bringing the PS3 version up to the quality of the 360 version. No, according to a Gamespot interview, the time is being spent making the PS3 one better than the other versions. The developer espouses at length about how much better the PS3 version will be, saying that it "looks fantastic compared to the 360." He further explains that the framerate is better, that there is full support for all the PS2 steering wheels, and that they now have full uncompressed 5.1 surround sound -- something 'the 360 didn't allow us to do.'

Great news all around for PS3 owners frustrated about the delay of the highly anticipated racer. While it's always nice getting a game as soon as possible, getting a better game by waiting a couple months is a pretty solid trade-off. DiRT will be out this fall (around September) and according to the developer we'll also be getting a demo before then, so keep an eye on the PS Store for more gorgeous offroad racing.

the framerate and screen tearing on the 360 version really got hard to bear after a while

DiRT fucking rocked, I had such a blast with the 360 version... I'll definitely get the PS3 port after hearing these news

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 04:39:43 PM »
"ps3fanboy.com"

right now, it's nowhere approximating the 360 version.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 04:42:59 PM »
it's just a division of joystiq

and isn't it normal that they'd, you know... post news that actually pertain to PS3 owners?

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2007, 04:45:44 PM »
if they posted shit like "PS3 version of DiRT dramatically inferior to 360 rev at this time; future looks hopeless" they'd be out of PEE ESS TRIPLE fanboys to read their regurgitated content, post-haste!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2007, 05:12:08 PM »
lol come on Mondain, you cant be this dumb.

There's more spin in that article than a FoxNews special.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2007, 05:15:35 PM »
yeah right, and what do we have here? Microsoft employees constantly spinning for Microsoft hardware, and defending ports of games on Microsoft consoles...  ::)
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2007, 05:25:33 PM »
lol, oh Mondain. I thought you got into college.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2007, 05:27:23 PM »
lol, oh Mondain. I thought you got into college.

Lots of idiots go to and graduate from college.  Look at FoC- he's barely sentient.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2007, 06:38:33 PM »
wtf has that got to do with Xbox 360 and PS3 games? save for like one or two, I had grades of 90% or more and teacher praise for all the homework and exams I've done so far

and I'm writing here in a language that's not even my maternal tongue in a much better way than the vast majority of people who natively speak english

I constantly show off great insight and subtile thinking in an extremely wide variety of subjects

all things that an idiot wouldn't be able to do with such consistency :lol

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2007, 06:44:00 PM »
Smart people can be biased as well.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2007, 06:50:44 PM »
biased? come on, these times around the Internet is prone to some weird herd mentality when it comes to console gaming, and it really feels like when posting about PS3 games and PS3 hardware, if the post isn't immediately followed by mockery and predictions of doom and gloom, then it consitutes biasedness  ::)

all that because the PS3 is a bit more expensive than the Xbox 360

nevertheless I constantly post fair impressions of PS3 and 360 software devoid of partisan points of view, something that the near totality of Evilbore people here simply don't do

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2007, 06:55:20 PM »
lol whatever jotaro
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2007, 06:58:39 PM »
devoid of partisan perspective? you know jack-all about console hardware and software development, yet you tout the ps3 as a superior platform? might as well put on $400 jeans and call yourself a porn star, tumaro.

also, plz link to some examples of "great insight and subtile[sic] thinking" you've made
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2007, 06:59:27 PM »
anyhow now we have a quote from IGN which also confirms ps3fanboy's and GameSpot's sayings... surprise surprise

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There are a number of technical improvements that the team has implemented during the few extra months of development time, however. The all-important framerate has been improved and from what we've seen, it's much steadier than the 360 release.

Codemasters has strived to make sure that the visual fidelity is identical to the Xbox 360 version, and in large part this is true, though we noticed that it didn't have the same smooth and bloomy look that said release did. The representative at the demo claimed that this was partly due to the display it was being shown on
, though we're going to have to hold out judgement on whether that's true or not until we can do a side-by-side comparison on our own terms. Regardless, it does look very good.

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 07:01:03 PM »
SPIN DEM PLATES MONDAIN!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 07:02:20 PM »
so basically they stabilized the frame rate (which wasn't all that inconsistent - it holds 30 fps 90% of the time), at a cost no-one authoring the articles is qualified to observe or understand? AWESOME I AM CONVINCED, REDUCED LIGHTING AND VISIBLE TEXTURE RESOLUTION DROPS IN FAVOR OF MARGINAL FRAME RATE STABILIZATION IMPROVEMENTS MEAN NOTHING WHEN THE POWER OF CELL IS UNLEASHED

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 07:03:05 PM »
wtf I just write what I feel makes sense to write

and I am not on Microsoft's payroll unlike some people here :lol

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 07:04:59 PM »
Dude, I LOVE my 360 cause of GAMES. Not cause of the mystical powers the 360's cores may or may not have.

I have 15 360 games and 20 XBLA games. How many PS3 and PSN games do YOU have?
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2007, 07:06:02 PM »
really, mondain? was i on sony's payroll last gen?
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2007, 07:09:42 PM »
wtf I just write what I feel makes sense to write

and I am not on Microsoft's payroll unlike some people here :lol


You post like you're on Sony's payroll, but the really sad thing is you're not.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2007, 07:11:07 PM »
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Dude, I LOVE my 360 cause of GAMES. Not cause of the mystical powers the 360's cores may or may not have.

I have 15 360 games and 20 XBLA games. How many PS3 and PSN games do YOU have?

uh Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, Ridge Racer 7, Cash Guns Chaos, Mortal Kombat 2, Tekken Dark Resurrection

and a whole bunch of 360 games

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2007, 07:12:06 PM »
Haha, Mortal Kombat 2 doesnt count you doofus.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2007, 07:12:28 PM »
if we're gonna play this little tit-for-tat "who's a fanboy" game, corny, you post like you're on nintendo's payroll -- and the sad thing is, not only are you not, you're not even a gamer!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2007, 07:13:23 PM »
This thread is for beating up Jotaro, go make a beating up Saint C thread!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2007, 07:14:58 PM »
but the only reason I don't have some more PS3 games is because there's a way to get 360 games for very, very very cheap, so it's hard to argue with free next-gen gaming... I wouldn't put a dime on most any multiplatform 360 game because of the amount of DVD-ROM system noise and because of the hardware malfunctions

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2007, 07:16:03 PM »
OH SHIT THREADS DERAILING! GOOD JOB, JOTARO!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2007, 07:16:32 PM »
is setting three feet from your console really good for your tumor?
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2007, 07:19:40 PM »
if we're gonna play this little tit-for-tat "who's a fanboy" game, corny, you post like you're on nintendo's payroll -- and the sad thing is, not only are you not, you're not even a gamer!


i made a thread bigging up Carcassonne, I'd buy everyone who doesn't have one a copy of Phantom Dust AND I'm comfortable enough with my hobby that I don't have to get asshurt when Nintendo presents their games for the year. If I'm not a gamer, so be it - "gamers" like Jotaro and yourself when you're on a "Ninthing" tear make me embarrassed to be a nerdlinger.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2007, 07:23:55 PM »
don't get butthurt; just man up, shape up and buy a couple cave shooters! join GAMING!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2007, 07:24:36 PM »
Cave shooters are ruining gaming.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2007, 07:24:49 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

go ahead, keep slandering me like that, thinking that saying nasty heinous things can faze me of even one iota  ::)

the DVD-ROM system noise is just an unnecessary distraction, it takes away from the experience on quiet games that don't have a lot of action going on and that rely a lot on a quiet atmosphere like Condemned or Oblivion... sure you tend not to notice it when you have a good sound system with your TV, but say if you want to take the 360 in your bedroom's small TV then it can overshadow the game's aural atmosphere at times

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2007, 07:25:52 PM »
who the fuck plays games for immersion

that's fucking waggle territory

get the fuck out of my hobby, nerd
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2007, 07:28:13 PM »
all you fanboys' desire to see the definitive next-gen system fail is pathetic.

if the 360 outpaces the ps3, it means developers use it as a lead platform.

that's bad for those of us who want a true next-gen experience.

when coded to its strengths, the ps3 gives an experience you just can't get on the 360.

which is why i'm pulling for its success.

there's more than enough evidence that the system is more powerful than the 360.

it's not even up for debate, a fact contested only by fanboys.

i'm not a fanboy, nor do i have emotional attachment to a piece of plastic, but i love gaming -- and the ps3, for next-gen, is where gaming needs to be.

btw, i own a 360.

wtf has that got to do with Xbox 360 and PS3 games? save for like one or two, I had grades of 90% or more and teacher praise for all the homework and exams I've done so far

and I'm writing here in a language that's not even my maternal tongue in a much better way than the vast majority of people who natively speak english

I constantly show off great insight and subtile thinking in an extremely wide variety of subjects

all things that an idiot wouldn't be able to do with such consistency :lol

You forgot to mention your humility.  It's the main reason why we love and respect you so much. 

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2007, 07:31:02 PM »
yeah, if you want to play an horror game like Resident Evil 5 where hideous monsters come out of nowhere screaming to shock you, it really doesn't matter to have some muffled hair dryer in the background

if you want to take a walk in Oblivion's world, and gaze at the grass and sky and forget the world you live in for a while, it really doesn't take away from the immersion  ::)

and it's currently unwise to stick the 360 in a compartment of a TV stand because the system can overheat and die out in these conditions

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Cockiness in this case would be to boast these sorts of traits without having being provoked and slandered first
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2007, 07:32:39 PM »
if you want to take a walk in Oblivion's world, and gaze at the grass and sky and forget the world you live in for a while, it really doesn't take away from the immersion  ::)



QFT.  4D gaming is where it's at. 

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2007, 07:38:18 PM »
I suggest surround sound headphones for the "zomg its so loud" clique.

They work wonders.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2007, 07:40:53 PM »
err, maybe if it's relatively cheap... I'm probably not going to be able to set the HDTV to a very loud volume in the appartment complex I'll live in anyway

the neighbours would become annoyed real fast if they were to hear five consecutive hours of butt-rock Shin Megami Tensei metal and demons constantly screaming in the middle of the night :lol
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2007, 08:52:49 PM »
OH smoothgroove. So transparent.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2007, 12:50:54 PM »
Alien Hominid HD > Mortal Kombat 2
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2007, 12:52:01 PM »
i thought you'd say dirt>the darkness :'(
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2007, 12:44:22 PM »
if we're gonna play this little tit-for-tat "who's a fanboy" game, corny, you post like you're on nintendo's payroll -- and the sad thing is, not only are you not, you're not even a gamer!


i made a thread bigging up Carcassonne, I'd buy everyone who doesn't have one a copy of Phantom Dust AND I'm comfortable enough with my hobby that I don't have to get asshurt when Nintendo presents their games for the year. If I'm not a gamer, so be it - "gamers" like Jotaro and yourself when you're on a "Ninthing" tear make me embarrassed to be a nerdlinger.

 :-*
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2007, 07:44:47 AM »
Bump.

http://gameplanets.blogspot.com/2007/08/dirt-ps3360-graphics-comparison.html -- :o seems the ps3 version has a marginally more consistent framerate!

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2007, 08:08:35 AM »
A wise man once said, "Mondain seems to think posting a lot of bullshit makes u expart"  :rofl

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2007, 08:15:58 AM »
at the end of the day a PS3 is fecal matter
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2007, 09:09:15 AM »
uh, there are a few minor objects in less around the tracks, probably due to the difference in available RAM (currently 84MB vs 32MB and which is being reduced with incremental firmware upgrades).... but that seems to be pretty minor

less bloom, but that's a good thing, the 360 version's was way over the top... other than that it seems that the 360 version has some strenghts, whereas the PS3 one has other strenghts, and it's up to the person's subjectivity to determine which of the strenghts makes for the better-looking game... I know that in most instances especially when it comes to ports, PS3 games look more rough around the edges because of the lack of EDRAM

and the framerate in DiRT 360 WAS extremely awful as soon as many racers joined you on the track, nice to see that it's locked this time

I don't buy many games, but think I'll get the PS3 version of DiRT when it's like 20 bucks, this is a quality game that's worth buying and after having nearly completed the 360 version I'd like to complete the game again with a proper framerate
« Last Edit: August 18, 2007, 09:17:35 AM by Mondain »

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2007, 09:59:07 AM »
I like how things are minor on ps3 lol. Oh mondain, so transparent. I dont notice ur imaginary framerate issues in 360 dirt.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2007, 10:01:12 AM »
Doesn't DiRT suck, anyway?
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2007, 10:12:01 AM »
DiRTs actually pretty awesome, but a lot of people dont like it cause the tracks are actually challenging like real rally racing lololol.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2007, 10:17:03 AM »
Oblivion is such a quiet, atmosphere game with ITS CONSTANT EPIC MUSIC. About Dirt, I think rally games were never simply not very popular in America. And lol at Jotaro's list of awesome ps3 games he owns, 3 being playstation network games and one being a 13 years old fighting game. Also he forgot that japanese kiddy golf game he kept talking pimping about in just every thread when it came, praising it for its awesome gameplay or something. I like how he listed terrible games yet forgot to list it.

Or was he making shit up again when he said he imported it  :-*

edit: can we just ban Jotaro? He's shitting up the gaming forum; it used to be an awesome place to discuss actually palying games, but now it's degenerating into 'LOL LETS ARGUE WHICH CONSOLE HAS THE BEST PORTS OF MULTICONSOLE GAMES' bs. He's just annoying and brings nothing to the table; he doesnt even play games and his impressions are pretty much 'yay I downloaded this game, and it has great music and sound effects 5/10'. I usually just skips those threds are they are completly worthless and empty in content.

I think the gaming forum needs a purge
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2007, 11:29:56 AM »
whaaat? everyone debates which multiplatform game is the best one, it's the sole thread of that sort I've ever made on here, whereas some others like Drinky Crow have made like 15-20 ones; I've made in-depth impressions of games like Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Persona 3 and Minna no Golf 5 whereas lately some members have done like 8 frivolous Bioshock threads in a row

I contribute far more detailed impressions of games that are actually played than you do... but would actually find it hilarious to be expelled for no reason :lol
« Last Edit: August 18, 2007, 11:32:39 AM by Mondain »

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2007, 11:48:50 AM »
your detailed impressions are full of shit, anyone who trusts you should grab a seat on the short bus.
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2007, 12:58:44 PM »
360 version has the edge in lighting.  PS3 version has better detail, framerate, better shadows, and less tearing.

Overall, both versions are good in different ways.  IMO, fanboys around the net need to stop bragging over which version is better.  They are both good IMO and neither a PS3 or 360 fan should be happier or ashamed with the version they get.  DiRT rocks anyway.

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2007, 01:49:25 PM »

and the framerate in DiRT 360 WAS extremely awful as soon as many racers joined you on the track, nice to see that it's locked this time


but apparently it's not locked, and slows down WORSE than the 360 version with more than 3 cars onscreen :'(

and mana knight, how does the ps3 version have the edge in detail when it has LESS geometry than the 360 version

ps3 hardware fails to deliver again :'(
« Last Edit: August 18, 2007, 01:51:52 PM by Professor Prole »
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2007, 03:33:05 PM »
I think when he says edge he means the aliasing lololol
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2007, 03:35:57 PM »
The only racing games I like are the Burnout series, because you can wreck shit up in a big way
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2007, 03:38:14 PM »
yeah, and that explains why you wouldn't like DiRT, which is fine, I hate street racing games that aren't burnout for example
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2007, 03:39:39 PM »
I downloaded the demo and it was quite fun!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2007, 03:41:31 PM »
The full game is fun too!
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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2007, 03:42:58 PM »
It always pisses me off when people complain about WWII games all being the same, when every racing game has had the same end goal since Pole Position - the cars are prettier, the tracks are prettier, but it's still you trying to beat that one car at the head of the line
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MrAngryFace

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Re: Nice, PS3 version of DiRT looking much better than the 360 one
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2007, 03:49:47 PM »
Thats kinda the nature of a car race, do you want them to collect fruit or something? Not everyone likes burnout either.
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