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Eduardo24

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Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« on: July 16, 2007, 06:53:32 PM »
This game is being hyped a lot and I donīt know why.  The game looks very generic to me.  I know itīs not supposed to a "shooter", but an RPG.  It looks very pretty but still I have seen the sci-fi setting so many times that I canīt help but think that every sci-fi cliche is in full force in every single gameplay video for this game.  You have this bald guy that is the captain of the spaceship and his alien subordinate, both of them wearing metal as cloth.  Hell, most the characters in this game seem to wear some kind of metal.

I donīt even know why the dialog system is being called "revolutionary" by some people either.  I watched the E3 video and I donīt see what is so special about the dialogue: the only consequence apparently is the alien joining or not.  Such a long conversation for something very trivial.

I donīt know...never liked Fable and hated every single game made by Bethesda....but I still think that Fable 2 and Fallout 3 have more potential.  Their settings are not that common in gaming (Fable 2 being in a colonial era, Fallout 3 being based on 1950-60s post apocalyptic fiction), and their previews have been very interesting.

I guess I am in the minority, but I just know you people will respect my opinion, Right? :D

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 06:56:38 PM »
A nintendo fan not "feeling" mass effect.  Go figure.
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Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 06:59:12 PM »
Basically, it's "revolutionary" because your party members have actual personalities. Some party members will have one belief, and others won't. So depending on your actions you can make certain characters have more loyalty or trust towards and some will become more distant as well, also party members will seem to quarrel as well, depending on what you say. I don't know, we barely know jack about the gameplay, the only reason it's being hyped is because it's fucking Bioware, which is more than enough.

Bioware > Bethesda.
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brawndolicious

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 07:01:05 PM »
I'm about to backfire this on you.

The character's face can be chosen.  You can make him look however you want.

The story is set where humans aren't the super race and may actually not be the strongest, smartest, or most advanced.  It looks like some big genocide shit is about to happen.

The world map showed a solar map with 5 planets, a cluster map with 4 solar systems, and a galaxy map with around 20 clusters making it be about 400 planets where there will be some that you can just scan for information but there's still a ton of playable exploration.  It's probably going to have a lot of variety.

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 07:03:18 PM »
KOTOR minus Star Wars. Generic sci-fi setting. Bioware writing. Bioware three-pronged saintly/apathetic/baby-eating morality system. Count me out.

I mean, tell me that I'm wrong. But this is Bioware, and they just don't do it for me.

Earlier Bioware games had characters react to your actions, like if you acted contrary to their alignment in BG games.
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Eduardo24

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 07:06:27 PM »
A nintendo fan not "feeling" mass effect.  Go figure.

I am not even a Nintendo fan, you are a moron.

Yeah, I suppose looking forward to Fable 2, Bioshock and Fallout 3, while only having a 360 as a nextgen system makes me a Nintendo fan.


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Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2007, 07:14:17 PM »
I like how people bring up the supposed "generic" sci fi setting, as if sci fi settings are extremely common for rpgs. When it comes to rpgs, I like my shit futuristic or modern. "Generic" may ass, more like a change of pace. As long as it doesn't have any fucking Orcs in it.

You never hear the "Japanese rpg only plz" fans complain about the generic settings jrpgs take place in, which is almost always a generic fantasy world that bastardizes western mythology and throws in a bunch of random talking animals in to it, but when the western (or even sometimes, but very rarely, a Japanese) rpg developer gives us a new interesting setting that doesn't have any fucking orcs in it, it's "generic".

lol
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Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2007, 07:17:17 PM »
Earlier Bioware games had characters react to your actions, like if you acted contrary to their alignment in BG games.

This will be present in ME.
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louegi

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2007, 07:25:44 PM »
BioWare is the Bungie of the RPG world. They can do no wrong.

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2007, 07:40:01 PM »
BioWare is the Bungie of the RPG world. They can do no wrong.

This is correct.  Well, they could have made Jade Empire better but oh well.
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 07:40:50 PM »
Feelin it - and preordered it.

Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 07:45:30 PM »
BioWare is the Bungie of the RPG world. They can do no wrong.

This is correct.  Well, they could have made Jade Empire better but oh well.

Jade Empire was good. I mean, it was flawed it was still better than a lot of other rpgs released last gen.
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louegi

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2007, 09:07:07 PM »
What game isn't flawed though?

Jade Empire was perfect, to me.

Great story with fun combat.

What other RPG was better on the Xbox?


Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2007, 09:09:34 PM »
What game isn't flawed though?

Jade Empire was perfect, to me.

Great story with fun combat.

What other RPG was better on the Xbox?



kotor.

I really like jade, don't get me wrong. but the second half is a total rush to the end and the quality suffers because of it. other than that, pretty damn good game.
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louegi

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2007, 09:22:34 PM »
kotor suffered from horrible loading.

flaw?

/owned.

Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2007, 09:26:45 PM »
jade empire had worse loading than kotor

the ARENA BITCH the ARENA
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2007, 09:33:11 PM »
is JE playable without glitching on the 360?

louegi

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 09:39:50 PM »
jade empire had worse loading than kotor

the ARENA BITCH the ARENA

erm, im not claiming JE isnt flawed though  ???. plus, wasnt the arena a bit of a side-mission?

kotor was flawed, like every other game. you simply enjoyed it more than JE.

Beezy

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2007, 09:52:27 PM »
I still wanna play this game even though I hate the futuristic sci-fi setting.

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2007, 10:02:23 PM »
is JE playable without glitching on the 360?

No idea, but you can buy it for fairly cheap on Steam, and it works fine on older machines.
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2007, 08:18:47 AM »
I'm not really feeling Mass Effect too much 'cuz of the battle system. Seems more like a slow-paced Gears, instead of classic RPG combat. Seems like a ploy to get more "typical" 360 fans on board. I'm gonna wait for further impressions of the system. I really like the game's setting (even if the character designs remind me of Star Wars a bit) and I like Bioware's approach to RPGs, even if it doesn't always work out in theory. Jade Empire... there was a game with some nice ideas, but it was killed by an awful battle system and a whole slew of other problems... and I am worried Mass Effect will suffer a similar fate.

The next-gen RPGs I mostly want are Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey though.
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2007, 09:42:37 AM »
I'm not really feeling Mass Effect too much 'cuz of the battle system. Seems more like a slow-paced Gears, instead of classic RPG combat. Seems like a ploy to get more "typical" 360 fans on board. I'm gonna wait for further impressions of the system. I really like the game's setting (even if the character designs remind me of Star Wars a bit) and I like Bioware's approach to RPGs, even if it doesn't always work out in theory. Jade Empire... there was a game with some nice ideas, but it was killed by an awful battle system and a whole slew of other problems... and I am worried Mass Effect will suffer a similar fate.

The next-gen RPGs I mostly want are Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey though.

::)  People said the same thing about KOTOR.  And just like KOTOR, you can make it go turn by turn.
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Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2007, 09:47:55 AM »
You are forgetting the mixture of real time and command based combat, Tiesto!
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AdmiralViscen

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2007, 08:15:50 PM »
I've paid zero attention to this, but after seeing it at E3 I will probably buy it.

I guess this means the OP is wrong.

brawndolicious

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2007, 12:31:48 AM »
Bioware basically brought the most deserving of goty rpg last generation to xbox so I wouldn't be worried about them trying to make a game for the shooter audience.  The game is a lot more about exploration (that was kind of bummy feature about the last game that even with every sidequest, it was only about 25 hours) and the combat is more about squad control which KOTOR really lacked (you can heal and that's pretty much it).  I think if they went more turn-based than they have with the controls they would just be forced to complicate it.  It works really well for the gameplay elements there are.

One guy at beyond3d wrote what the prologue book told about the story.

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Just finished reading the prologue book. The writer is the same guy who writes the story of the game. His resume also includes the story of KoToR and another NY Times bestseller StarWars book. The story in the book itself is above average. It begins with nice, fast paced action, then slows down, and then ends with something that you do not expect from the main character. However, it will give you lots of information about the mainbad guy, Saren, in the game, and also, the admiral (Anderson) whom Shepherd was speaking in the beginning of trailer. I also bet that we will see more characters from the book in the game - though a little bit aged..

Although the story is above average, the backdrop world - or should I say galaxy - is excellent. You will understand why they call it "jack Bauer in space". Spectre, of which Shepherd is also a member, is an elite group, whose members are few but kind of above the law. In order to protect the galactic peace, they are allowed to do anything: this includes torture to extract information, setup a team as a bait (it does not matter if they survive or not), even commiting actions that result in loss of thousands of civilians life - if all of these leads to saving of billions of life, that's what a spectre -you- should do. That's why the creators of the game says you will face though choices throughout the game, and reading the type of tasks given to spectres in the book, this is something sure we will see in the game.

After reading the book, I also know think that Bioware creates an excellent setting for themselves. Being a shepherd means you have to take any task that is given from the council, and it does not necessarily mean that it is related to main quest. I think with this in hand, they can easily expand game by adding quests as DLC. Even maybe, we will see some episodic content, who knows...

Anyway, the book is worth reading, at least for getting more familiar with the setting and the characters. I am alot more excited for the game now!

Oblivion

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2007, 01:58:33 AM »
I thought everyone except IGN hated Jade Empire?

Himu

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2007, 02:09:42 AM »
Nope.
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2007, 02:22:05 AM »
Agent Icebeezy on OA has uploaded the 106 MBs WMV file from IGN Insider that shows about 20 minutes of Mass Effect gameplay and an interview with the Dr. Greg whatever who founded Bioware

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YEMH0H15

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2007, 02:23:36 AM »
Bioware basically brought the most deserving of goty rpg last generation to xbox so I wouldn't be worried about them trying to make a game for the shooter audience.  The game is a lot more about exploration (that was kind of bummy feature about the last game that even with every sidequest, it was only about 25 hours) and the combat is more about squad control which KOTOR really lacked (you can heal and that's pretty much it).  I think if they went more turn-based than they have with the controls they would just be forced to complicate it.  It works really well for the gameplay elements there are.

One guy at beyond3d wrote what the prologue book told about the story.

Quote
Just finished reading the prologue book. The writer is the same guy who writes the story of the game. His resume also includes the story of KoToR and another NY Times bestseller StarWars book. The story in the book itself is above average. It begins with nice, fast paced action, then slows down, and then ends with something that you do not expect from the main character. However, it will give you lots of information about the mainbad guy, Saren, in the game, and also, the admiral (Anderson) whom Shepherd was speaking in the beginning of trailer. I also bet that we will see more characters from the book in the game - though a little bit aged..

Although the story is above average, the backdrop world - or should I say galaxy - is excellent. You will understand why they call it "jack Bauer in space". Spectre, of which Shepherd is also a member, is an elite group, whose members are few but kind of above the law. In order to protect the galactic peace, they are allowed to do anything: this includes torture to extract information, setup a team as a bait (it does not matter if they survive or not), even commiting actions that result in loss of thousands of civilians life - if all of these leads to saving of billions of life, that's what a spectre -you- should do. That's why the creators of the game says you will face though choices throughout the game, and reading the type of tasks given to spectres in the book, this is something sure we will see in the game.

After reading the book, I also know think that Bioware creates an excellent setting for themselves. Being a shepherd means you have to take any task that is given from the council, and it does not necessarily mean that it is related to main quest. I think with this in hand, they can easily expand game by adding quests as DLC. Even maybe, we will see some episodic content, who knows...

Anyway, the book is worth reading, at least for getting more familiar with the setting and the characters. I am alot more excited for the game now!

Wait, the writer of the game wrote a Star Wars built? Who is he?

edit: BOOK, lol. I'm on meds
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gibletsngravy

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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2007, 02:27:42 AM »
I tried to like it...I sat and watched the gamespot demo of it, while the on the spot dude was creaming himself over it. I dunno what it is, maybe its because all the characters look constipated.
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2007, 02:30:21 AM »
The trailer gave me huge Advent Rising vibes, Billy Rygar knows what I'm talking about if he saw it. I'm buying this shit day one.
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Re: Anyone else not "feeling" Mass Effect?
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2007, 02:35:56 AM »
STFU why can't you just be a trill nicca
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