Author Topic: The best console rpg series of the last generation finally gets recognition (Read 25289 times)

demi · « **Reply #120 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:32:41 PM »

Ha, yeah

DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE FAIR?

> YES
NO

OH, SO YOU DO WANT TO GO TO THE FAIR! GREAT!

ananus · « **Reply #121 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:34:14 PM »

i don't like silent protagonists most of the time. i always see people saying it's supposed to help with immersion or whatever by making it easier to represent you in the game, but i don't care about that. i'd rather have a character i might like than one that serves no purpose.

it's nice having options, but most of the time they don't really change anything anyway. and even when they do, it's not like it makes a big difference, so i don't really care. at best i get a different ending, but it's not like i'll be replaying a game just for a different 5 min cutscene after 30-40 hours.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #122 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:34:51 PM »

LETS SEE WHAT "HE" THINKS

*silence*

SO YOU AGREE WITH ME? LETS DO IT!

--

I mean its like im part of some supporting characters fucking delusion or something.

Himu · « **Reply #123 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:37:27 PM »

Quote from: ananus on July 30, 2007, 06:34:14 PM

i don't like silent protagonists most of the time. i always see people saying it's supposed to help with immersion or whatever by making it easier to represent you in the game, but i don't care about that. i'd rather have a character i might like than one that serves no purpose.

it's nice having options, but most of the time they don't really change anything anyway. and even when they do, it's not like it makes a big difference, so i don't really care. at best i get a different ending, but it's not like i'll be replaying a game just for a different 5 min cutscene after 30-40 hours.

I still say it's better than a character who runs his mouth who I hate at the outset of the game.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #124 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:51:40 PM »

well uh, it's stupid to have a silent character and not letting the player have any input whatsoever in the story. the reason why I like silent leads more than a lead that talks is because when Im given choices I can decide and pick the one I like most instead of having the story decide that for me, it's more fun to me seeing how my decisions affect the game than having everything be scripted from the beginning.

ananus · « **Reply #125 on:** July 30, 2007, 06:59:06 PM »

it's stupid to have silent characters and have input go as far as changing a few dialogs or just the 5 min cutscene in the ending. it's as good as no choice at all, since it's definitely not enough to warrant a replay on its own.

besides, you can still have multiple paths with an actual main character, so add another -1 for silent protagonists.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #126 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:10:47 PM »

Quote from: ananus on July 30, 2007, 06:59:06 PM

it's stupid to have silent characters and have input go as far as changing a few dialogs or just the 5 min cutscene in the ending. it's as good as no choice at all, since it's definitely not enough to warrant a replay on its own.

besides, you can still have multiple paths with an actual main character, so add another -1 for silent protagonists.

still prefer that over say.... Tidus :x

Himu · « **Reply #127 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:12:35 PM »

Quote from: Error2k4 on July 30, 2007, 06:51:40 PM

well uh, it's stupid to have a silent character and not letting the player have any input whatsoever in the story. the reason why I like silent leads more than a lead that talks is because when Im given choices I can decide and pick the one I like most instead of having the story decide that for me, it's more fun to me seeing how my decisions affect the game than having everything be scripted from the beginning.

this.

makes a much more interesting game

Glescoes · « **Reply #128 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:24:04 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on July 30, 2007, 02:22:31 PM

Persona 3 for the Japasexual RPG fegs
Mass Effect for the Western RPG fegs
Bioshock for the FPS RPG fegs

It's like a PERFECT STORM of RPG faggotry. If I fail to woo a hot Japanese girl with a PhD, I will have NO PROBLEM drowning my sorrows in videogames!

My RPG boner has three heads, like the guy in Dhoom 2's thumb:

(Image removed from quote.)

lol wow

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #129 on:** July 30, 2007, 07:49:43 PM »

I was fine with BOFV's silent lead because his simple character was easy to predict and understand. The character became the mission, and to that end served the story much better than most silent leads ever have.

ferricide · « **Reply #130 on:** July 30, 2007, 08:25:26 PM »

well this strikes me as a silly discussion.

"silent protagonist" vs. "talking protagonist" is not what's being discussed.

it's "silent protagonist" vs. "talking protagonsit that i, myself, hate". which is a losing discussion.

personally i vastly prefer talking protagonists. usually games with silent protagonists are missing something from a storytelling perspective (i mean JRPGs here.) it's a basic generalization, but i think the only two JRPGs that i personally count among my favorites with a silent protagonist are persona 1 and suikoden II. offhand, anyway. well, there's always the ys games... =P

Himu · « **Reply #131 on:** July 30, 2007, 08:52:16 PM »

Likewise, I can pick only a few talking main characters that I have liked (and I'm talking jrpgs here). Which is funny, because my favorite jrpgs are the ones that feature silent leads:

Suikoden series (II and V in particular, especially when it comes to V, because depending on what you say and do it makes it much harder to recruit certain characters)
SMT series (Persona 1, 2, SMT3, DDS)
DQVIII
Dragon Quarter
Chrono Trigger

There are few jrpgs I can think of where a talking lead actually made me like him and want to know more about his plight.

These games are Final Fantasy VI, Valkyrie Profile 1 and 2, Skies of Arcadia, and Final Fantasy VIII. I have played many jrpgs, but the leads often come of as the least memorable characters, talking or not. So it never really mattered, because at least with silent protagonists, I am usually given a choice (depending on the game).

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #132 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:05:57 PM »

Who cares whats being discussed, I dont have the time to read this whole thread muhahahaha

Error2k4 · « **Reply #133 on:** July 30, 2007, 09:16:02 PM »

yeah, I want to play the game already $:-\$

hyp · « **Reply #134 on:** July 31, 2007, 03:58:28 AM »

hey himuro, here are a couple pics of DDS2 upscaled to 720p via PS3 BC.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #135 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:41:52 AM »

so nice

Himu · « **Reply #136 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:48:01 AM »

oh man, you're at the powerplant

i thought you already beat the place when i posted the youtube

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #137 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:49:17 AM »

lol nice spoil

Himu · « **Reply #138 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:50:43 AM »

I'M SORRY HYP

T234 · « **Reply #139 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:02:32 AM »

@Himu: you spelled KOTOR wrong in the OP.

@Patel: the best lineup of 07 so far? list em, list the greats!

Himu · « **Reply #140 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:08:02 AM »

Quote from: T234 on July 31, 2007, 11:02:32 AM

@Himu: you spelled KOTOR wrong in the OP.

@Patel: the best lineup of 07 so far? list em, list the greats!

KotoR series? lmao. Kotor 1 is good but Kotor 1+2 does not equal best rpg series of last gen at all.

Ps2's 2007 line up thus far:

God of War 2
Red Star
Taito Legends 2
Raiden III
Raw Danger
Persona 3
Rogue Galaxy

etc. etc.

versus:

Lost Planet
Crackdown
uhhhhhhh Tenchu Z
Vampire Rain
Bullet Witch

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #141 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:19:27 AM »

kotor 2 was boring at the beginning, which is why I never finished it, unlike KOTOR 1 which was a lot of fun.

T234 · « **Reply #142 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:25:58 AM »

Crackdown>The entire PS2 list.
Hell, MORROWIND>The entire PS2 list.

KOTOR 2 improves over time.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #143 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:27:11 AM »

haha omg, wtf

T234 · « **Reply #144 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:31:47 AM »

Only PS2 game I cared about this year was Odin Sphere.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #145 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:32:15 AM »

then u am missed out total

T234 · « **Reply #146 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:34:14 AM »

Error2k4 · « **Reply #147 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:36:13 AM »

15 days!

Himu · « **Reply #148 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:37:43 AM »

2 WEEKS!!!

T234 · « **Reply #149 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:39:59 AM »

The Elder Scrolls>Shin Megami Tensei

Himu · « **Reply #150 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:40:13 AM »

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #151 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:41:06 AM »

whu?!?!?!

T234 · « **Reply #152 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:44:56 AM »

Oblivion killed the JRPG star.

Himu · « **Reply #153 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:48:20 AM »

Oh God.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #154 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:52:51 AM »

is that speevy?

Himu · « **Reply #155 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:56:28 AM »

lmao

"What is with this game Valkyrie Profile 2? Why is it a side scroller? I hate this game."

T234 · « **Reply #156 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:59:51 AM »

I own VP2, it's alright.

Vivec>ruined Tokyo

EDIT: No, I am not speevy.

Himu · « **Reply #157 on:** July 31, 2007, 12:00:54 PM »

ur crazy

T234 · « **Reply #158 on:** July 31, 2007, 12:04:35 PM »

How are things in Singapore today, Himu?

Himu · « **Reply #159 on:** July 31, 2007, 12:07:25 PM »

Bad. Still can't find a pirated copy of P3.

Junpei the Tracer! · « **Reply #160 on:** July 31, 2007, 12:43:45 PM »

I've been playing Dawn of Mana recently and it's good besides the camera problems and physics.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #161 on:** July 31, 2007, 12:49:48 PM »

Camera problems are the SAME as KH, but everyone didnt give those games shit wtf. The physics are also kind of weird, ill agree on that.

hyp · « **Reply #162 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:29:34 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on July 31, 2007, 10:50:43 AM

I'M SORRY HYP

'sall good. i'm not a spoiler freak like some people on this forum. *nudge* MAF

i beat the power plant last night and saw the cut scene myself. even better in person. =]

Himu · « **Reply #163 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:37:47 PM »

The song that is played when Roland is on the run from Meganada is one of my favorite game tracks ever. Meguro's minimalist piano tracks are really really underrated.

[youtube=425,350]lHZsIjaJibU[/youtube]

btw hyp, I read the gaf thread. I told you it was best to play DDS first.

demi · « **Reply #164 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:41:28 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on July 31, 2007, 11:08:02 AM

Lost Planet
Crackdown
uhhhhhhh Tenchu Z
Vampire Rain
Bullet Witch

Missing some titles, but that's ok, we know you are uninformed : )

ps. go take back your 360, wii's last-gen graphics should suit you more since you are stuck in the past

hyp · « **Reply #165 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:46:16 PM »

reilly's really got it in for DDS.

i got a taste of about an hour of nocturne though... i think i'm just about ready for demon fusion. on meguro -- yes, i absolutely love the piano tracks. he did the nocturne stuff as well right? i fell in love with nocturne's music right off the bat. in fact, i think all SMT music is really good... some of the guitar stuff is a little too glam rock for me though, i really dig the subtle atmospheric soundtracks in addition to the electronic stuff.

Himu · « **Reply #166 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:46:27 PM »

Quote from: demi on July 31, 2007, 01:41:28 PM

Missing some titles, but that's ok, we know you are uninformed : )

ps. go take back your 360, wii's last-gen graphics should suit you more since you are stuck in the past

Even in 2008, 360 won't be better than ps2. I will be playing my ps2 for years on end. I'm not living in the past at all.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #167 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:48:06 PM »

Meguro's been in charge of megaten music since SMT3. dont really know what happened to the other composers.

Himu · « **Reply #168 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:50:55 PM »

Quote from: hyp on July 31, 2007, 01:46:16 PM

reilly's really got it in for DDS.

i got a taste of about an hour of nocturne though... i think i'm just about ready for demon fusion. on meguro -- yes, i absolutely love the piano tracks. he did the nocturne stuff as well right? i fell in love with nocturne's music right off the bat. in fact, i think all SMT music is really good... some of the guitar stuff is a little too glam rock for me though, i really dig the subtle atmospheric soundtracks in addition to the electronic stuff.

Reilly is an idiot. Avalon nailed DDS down pat. In theory, DDS is generic when compared to other SMT's, but only in the gameplay sense. But even when you compare DDS to other jrpgs, it's still creative stuff. I can get where he's coming from. But yeah, I played DDS1, Persona 1 and 2 before Nocturne. It made the demon fusion and the gameplay much easier to understand, so I didn't have too many problems because by that point I was pretty used to SMT gameplay. That still didn't ruin the experience for me though.

I can understand why any SMT fan wouldn't care for DDS, but the whole point of DDS to begin with was to grab non-SMT fans. It did its job. It's the game I suggest any non SMT fan to check out and see if they like it.

And yes, Meguro is in charge of SMT3's music. As well as DDS1+2, Devil Summoner 3, and Persona 3.

hyp · « **Reply #169 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:52:00 PM »

nice, no wonder it all sounds cohesive. can't wait to hear his P3 work.

Himu · « **Reply #170 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:53:37 PM »

Devil Summoner's soundtrack is good in game, but the actual soundtrack is meh.

Error: I wouldn't mind if Masaki Kurokawa came back. P2 EP's soundtrack gives me a boner.

hyp · « **Reply #171 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:54:22 PM »

i picked up devil summoner for $15 bux. i plan to play that last.

Himu · « **Reply #172 on:** July 31, 2007, 01:55:01 PM »

I think you should. It's by far the weakest SMT I've played.

Even though I say that, I still enjoy the game a lot. It's a very experimental game, and while some of the experiments work, most of it doesn't. But you can admire the effort to try something new.

demi · « **Reply #173 on:** July 31, 2007, 02:01:30 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on July 31, 2007, 01:46:27 PM

Quote from: demi on July 31, 2007, 01:41:28 PM
Missing some titles, but that's ok, we know you are uninformed : )

ps. go take back your 360, wii's last-gen graphics should suit you more since you are stuck in the past

Even in 2008, 360 won't be better than ps2. I will be playing my ps2 for years on end. I'm not living in the past at all.

The fact that you are playing on a TV from the 80s and you bought a Wii says otherwise, sorry : (

Himu · « **Reply #174 on:** July 31, 2007, 02:02:52 PM »

Quote from: demi on July 31, 2007, 02:01:30 PM

Quote from: Himuro on July 31, 2007, 01:46:27 PM
Quote from: demi on July 31, 2007, 01:41:28 PM
Missing some titles, but that's ok, we know you are uninformed : )

ps. go take back your 360, wii's last-gen graphics should suit you more since you are stuck in the past

Even in 2008, 360 won't be better than ps2. I will be playing my ps2 for years on end. I'm not living in the past at all.

The fact that you are playing on a TV from the 80s and you bought a Wii says otherwise, sorry : (

I am playing on a tv from 2002. I refuse to give up my ps2.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #175 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:10:02 PM »

himu: do you have a zinio account? you can dl the new EGM mag with the p3 review there Im trying but the site is fucking stupid, I cant dl the fucking magazine.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #176 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:04:19 PM »

the box cover doesnt look that bad now.

ananus · « **Reply #177 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:25:14 PM »

is the one with the blue cover the package for the game + artbook?

Himu · « **Reply #178 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:01:04 PM »

Quote from: Error2k4 on July 31, 2007, 10:04:19 PM

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the box cover doesnt look that bad now.

It looks bad on the double jump guide. I didn't think it looked bad online but jesus christ it's awful on the double jump guide.

Quote from: Error2k4 on July 31, 2007, 06:10:02 PM

himu: do you have a zinio account? you can dl the new EGM mag with the p3 review there Im trying but the site is fucking stupid, I cant dl the fucking magazine.

No, I don't. Never heard of it.

hyp · « **Reply #179 on:** August 03, 2007, 02:08:14 PM »

hey himuro, the latest 1up show has PERSONA 3 footage

(stolen from gaf)
stream: mms://zdmedia.wmod.llnwd.net/a111/o1/1UP/1upshow_0610_320x180.wmv

WMV: http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/1upshow_0610_640x360.zip
PSP: http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/1upshow_0610_psp.zip
QT Low - http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/1upshow_0610_320x180.zip
QT High - http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/1upshow_0610_quick.zip
iPod - http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/080307.m4v

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Author Topic: The best console rpg series of the last generation finally gets recognition (Read 25289 times)