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I tend to have more fun with "B+" games than "AAA" games for some reason. Well, people have a pretty warped definition of "AAA" sometimes... Like the Tony Hawk and GTA games frequently get 95+ rankings on gamerankings, but I think they are both really shite. But on the other hand, I'll play something like Baten Kaitos, Digital Devil Saga, Gurumin, or Crush to completion.

B games >>>>>>>>>>>> "AAA" games
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I hate how people keep talking about LAIR. the game fucking sucks people move along.

gotm for P3  :hyper :hyper :hyper
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2 weeks!

ROBOTS WITH GUN FINGERS



GAME OF THE YEAR
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Himu

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I hate how people keep talking about LAIR. the game fucking sucks people move along.

gotm for P3  :hyper :hyper :hyper

It goes to show how many people are NUBS, error. PERSONA 3 GOTM IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN PIECE OF SHIT LAIR OR THE FACT THEY DON'T LIKE BLUE DRAGON.

PERSONA 3 :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper

It is almost here Error! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING SINCE MARCH 2006  :D :D :D
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Why get so hyped? It's not even the real version, FES, and that is doubtful to come to America.
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persona 3 >>> overlord
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Fes is not a real version, it's a 30 hour expansion disc. It's like have a cherry on top of a cake. The cherry ain't necessary, but it's certainly awesome! Me and Error have been waiting for this game a shy year and a fucking half (and an entire year waiting for the game to come out in NA, since it came out in Japan last July) and we won't be un-hyped at this point. It's going nowhere but up at this point, and even without Fes we're just glad to get the damn game.

Plus, we're going to import Fes and get a translation if it doesn't come out anyways.
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[It's not a good game unless it's on a Playstation, right?  :lol 

Seriously, your bias is crazy.   Forza 2 has been the only universally recognized AAA game on the 360 so far this year but the 360 has had far more B+ games than all the other systems combined.  You almost piss me off enough to make a joke about curry.   >:(

I'm a busy guy, B+ games don't exist.

I also don't count:
First-person shooters
Sports games
Racing games
Games with army men

Any game in those genres suck. A game like Halo 3, an army man FPS with vehicles, is like -2.5 games in one.

I also said "so far this year" because Bioshock, Mass Effect, Rock Band, Blue Dragon/Lost Odyssey, are going to tip the scales back in 360's favor. But I can't be bothered to pretend there's been anything interesting on 360 this year besides Crackdown.

I can see how there haven't been that many 360 games that would interest you this year.  But if you haven't got a 360 yet, you can still catch up on games like Dead Rising, Condemned, Viva Pinata, etc.  There really hasn't been anything that's AAA on the PS2 this year other than God of War.  Everything else is just stuff from B-level teams.  Even Persona 3 is arguably from a 2nd tier developer.  Also, all 3 of my last gen consoles have rarely been turned on since I've beaten RE4 (GC), God of War, and Ninja Gaiden.  But that's just because I get sick of old tech really quickly.  I can't wait for the next mega videocard upgrade. 

persona 3 >>> overlord

Shame on you, Bud.  I'm not sure you deserve your avatar anymore.  Real American (Demi)>>>>>>>>>Japafags

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I can see how there haven't been that many 360 games that would interest you this year.  But if you haven't got a 360 yet, you can still catch up on games like Dead Rising, Condemned, Viva Pinata, etc.  There really hasn't been anything that's AAA on the PS2 this year other than God of War.  Everything else is just stuff from B-level teams.  Even Persona 3 is arguably from a 2nd tier developer.  Also, all 3 of my last gen consoles have rarely been turned on since I've beaten RE4 (GC), God of War, and Ninja Gaiden.  But that's just because I get sick of old tech really quickly.  I can't wait for the next mega videocard upgrade. 

1) I already own a 360.
2) I've already played Dead Rising, Condemned, and Viva Pinata!
3) None of those came out in 2007.
4) I'm not a tech whore.
5) I'm not biased. :P
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The appeal of SMT goes beyond japafags though.
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Fes is not a real version, it's a 30 hour expansion disc. It's like have a cherry on top of a cake. The cherry ain't necessary, but it's certainly awesome! Me and Error have been waiting for this game a shy year and a fucking half (and an entire year waiting for the game to come out in NA, since it came out in Japan last July) and we won't be un-hyped at this point. It's going nowhere but up at this point, and even without Fes we're just glad to get the damn game.

Plus, we're going to import Fes and get a translation if it doesn't come out anyways.

It has a confirmed real true ending though, who wants to play a partially completed game? Shame the reviewers left out this major point.
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Yeah because I can't just youtube the Fes ending.

demi am cry.
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Shin Megami games upscaled on ps3 = omg

PS3 = BEST PS2 EVER

SMT in pseudo HIDEF  :heartbeat :heartbeat
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Hyp, I want pics. take pics, please! i  wanna see smt in psuedo hi def!

where are you in dds2
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dude, i fucked up and started playing nocturne a bit (omg @ the story & setting, so fucking cool)... so i'm still only halfway into DDS2 =\.  but i ended up deciding not to play nocturne until i finished DDS2, so i'm back to DDS2.  i just completed all the EGG installation parts.

i'll take some pics tonight for you w/ an 8 megapixel camera.   :D  any specific screens you want to see?
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4) I'm not a tech whore.

Good for you.  I kinda feel ashamed for being one though.  :(   As much as I laughed at Lair fans, I can't really tolerate playing games with older graphics even if they have great gameplay.  Which is why I don't know why I have a WII.  Waggling is kinda fun on some games but it can't really make up for last gen graphics.  I think WII would be better if they stick with more cartoony graphics like Mario Strikers or Paper Mario.  Those games tend to look better with older tech.  I'm fine also with old 2d games like Baldur's Gate on the PC but 3d games just age terribly.  Even Half-Life 2 looks kinda outdated when I was playing it last week.  It sure would be a lot easier on my wallet if I weren't compelled to buy the highest performing videocard everytime.  lol

5) I'm not biased. :P

But haven't you been suggesting that the PS3 is a better system than the 360?  No one who's played both systems should possibly think that at this moment. 

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dude, i fucked up and started playing nocturne a bit (omg @ the story & setting, so fucking cool)... so i'm still only halfway into DDS2 =\.  but i ended up deciding not to play nocturne until i finished DDS2, so i'm back to DDS2.  i just completed all the EGG installation parts.

i'll take some pics tonight for you w/ an 8 megapixel camera.   :D  any specific screens you want to see?

no not really. just gotta see.

So you...have Sera in your party now? It's safe for me to post spoilers? :)
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Good for you.  I kinda feel ashamed for being one though.  :(   As much as I laughed at Lair fans, I can't really tolerate playing games with older graphics even if they have great gameplay.  Which is why I don't know why I have a WII.  Waggling is kinda fun on some games but it can't really make up for last gen graphics.  I think WII would be better if they stick with more cartoony graphics like Mario Strikers or Paper Mario.  Those games tend to look better with older tech.  I'm fine also with old 2d games like Baldur's Gate on the PC but 3d games just age terribly.  Even Half-Life 2 looks kinda outdated when I was playing it last week.  It sure would be a lot easier on my wallet if I weren't compelled to buy the highest performing videocard everytime.  lol

i'm pretty much the same way.  but backwards compatibility has saved the day for me on both the 360 and PS3.  i don't mind playing the older games so much as long as they're upscaled to 720p.  wii on the other hand, i don't really bother playing GC games on it.  the graphics whore in me can't stand how 480p/480i looks on my LCD hidef tv.
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dude, i fucked up and started playing nocturne a bit (omg @ the story & setting, so fucking cool)... so i'm still only halfway into DDS2 =\.  but i ended up deciding not to play nocturne until i finished DDS2, so i'm back to DDS2.  i just completed all the EGG installation parts.

i'll take some pics tonight for you w/ an 8 megapixel camera.   :D  any specific screens you want to see?

no not really. just gotta see.

So you...have Sera in your party now? It's safe for me to post spoilers? :)

yea, go ahead and post spoilers... just don't post the ending!  also, is it worth it to focus on unlocking all the hidden mantras?
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Shin Megami games upscaled on ps3 = omg

PS3 = BEST PS2 EVER

SMT in pseudo HIDEF  :heartbeat :heartbeat

Are you guys sure?  PS3's upscaling seems to make PS2 games look worse unless the PS2 games don't support progressive scan.  A guy on GAf and an IGN feature had pics that clearly showed that PS2 games looked better on a PS2 than on a PS3 with upscaling.  Saving games are way more convenient on the PS3 though.  I think I still only have 1 8meg PS2 card despite having around 70-80 PS2 games.  

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I feel that hidden mantras are really valuable. I say scope em out.

My favorite death:

[youtube=425,350]ByaT2lj13hM[/youtube]
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Are you guys sure?  PS3's upscaling seems to make PS2 games look worse unless the PS2 games don't support progressive scan.  A guy on GAf and an IGN feature had pics that clearly showed that PS2 games looked better on a PS2 than on a PS3 with upscaling.  Saving games are way more convenient on the PS3 though.  I think I still only have 1 8meg PS2 card despite having around 70-80 PS2 games. 

compared to 480i, smoothing + upscaling produces a much more tolerable image.  blurs it a little bit, but gets rid of a lot of jaggies.  ps2 jaggies are like shoving needles in your eyes
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I feel that hidden mantras are really valuable. I say scope em out.

My favorite death:

[youtube=425,350]ByaT2lj13hM[/youtube]

zzzz, she was an annoying character in the first game, glad i know she dies. more incentive to play the second.
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[youtube=425,350]Co6-m0iwDvo[/youtube]

:)
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I think that's enough spoilers for one day
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PS2 games that look better upscaled are older games or games that utilize geometry over textures. The shin megami games look omg upscaled. A lot of the newest PS2 games afaik pull off a lot of tricks to make things look as good as they do on sdtvs. IMO VP2 doesnt look as good upscaled, but widescreen support IS nice. Cept the 2D obviously isn't supported as everything is stretched lol.
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hey himuro, give me URLs instead of embeds... my work blocks youtube -- i'm going to save them as FLVs
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:)!!!
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PS2 games that look better upscaled are older games or games that utilize geometry over textures. The shin megami games look omg upscaled. A lot of the newest PS2 games afaik pull off a lot of tricks to make things look as good as they do on sdtvs. IMO VP2 doesnt look as good upscaled, but widescreen support IS nice. Cept the 2D obviously isn't supported as everything is stretched lol.

What's VP2?  I gave the PS3 upscaling a try with my newer games but widescreen doesn't stretch properly on my TV also.  And it's a top of the line Sony 1080P LCD panel.  lol 

Also, I haven't tried 360's BC either despite having owned a 360 for more than a year.  I don't have a wireless adapter and I'm too lazy to hook it to my router upstairs to download the emulating software.  Does 360's BC look better than the PS3's since games are truely rendered in HD instead of just being upscaled? 

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:)!!!

hahaha i love the music on the first one.  reminds me of korean drama. 

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the second one on the other hand was a big WTF to me.  i seriously wanted to beat the shit outta heat.  it pissed me off that serph pussied out.  during the one dialogue sequence where you have a choice to be cool w/ heat again (in the lab), i chose the other option, fuck that guy.  i've been tweaking out gale to be my manbeater. 
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they really should have added more blood during devours in battle, it's a shame that all the bloody parts are in CG sequences. 
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Also, I haven't tried 360's BC either despite having owned a 360 for more than a year.  I don't have a wireless adapter and I'm too lazy to hook it to my router upstairs to download the emulating software.  Does 360's BC look better than the PS3's since games are truely rendered in HD instead of just being upscaled? 

i can't really tell to be honest.  there's no smoothing option, but i do notice that xbox1 games have less jaggies when upscaled.  there's something up with the gamma on the 360 though, there needs to be an option to correct it.  BC games appear to be a little washed out compared to upscaled PS2 games.  then again, the PS3 gives you an option (full RGB) or whatever it is, to give your richer blacks.
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another gotm for P3 in the newest PSM. really didnt expect the game to get such high scores.
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But haven't you been suggesting that the PS3 is a better system than the 360?  No one who's played both systems should possibly think that at this moment. 

No, God no, no no no, how could you even accuse me of such a thing. Ugh.

The PS2 is a better system than the 360 however. :-*
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:)!!!

hahaha i love the music on the first one.  reminds me of korean drama. 

the second one on the other hand was a big WTF to me.  i seriously wanted to beat the shit outta heat.  it pissed me off that serph pussied out.  during the one dialogue sequence where you have a choice to be cool w/ heat again (in the lab), i chose the other option, fuck that guy.  i've been tweaking out gale to be my manbeater. 

they really should have added more blood during devours in battle, it's a shame that all the bloody parts are in CG sequences. 

Gale is my favorite character in dds

another gotm for P3 in the newest PSM. really didnt expect the game to get such high scores.

RESPECT
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could you guys please put spoilers in spoiler tags -______-
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i'd have to say argilla is my fav, just because she's saved my ass from oblivion so many times.

i've started reading the P3 strat guide... i'm all aboard the hype train, i was gettin' shivers reading about the type of shit you could do in that game.  they're really lookin' out for the SMT fans
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could you guys please put spoilers in spoiler tags -______-

sorry SP -- i blame himuro
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i was gettin' shivers reading about the type of shit you could do in that game.  they're really lookin' out for the SMT fans

like what
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360 bc is uhh...

anyway VP2 is valkyrie profile 2. I tend to avoid upscaling with the newer games but the Shin Megami and .Hack games do well enough. In fact the newest .Hack game looks pretty snazzy too. Upscaling isnt for everything tho, thats for sure.
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I wish I were in SMT :(

I am thinking of getting a PS3 for Persona 3, so it will be upscaled into Persona "Sexy" 3, or PS3 (ironic-ally).

But that's all upscale dependent. Any reports on how the game upscales from the J-side?
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speaking of PS3 BC, are they removing the hardware BC from US units or was this decided against? Im not a big supporter of software BC after 360
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[youtube=425,350]uQISage-2F4[/youtube]

DDS <3
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speaking of PS3 BC, are they removing the hardware BC from US units or was this decided against? Im not a big supporter of software BC after 360

yup, it's software here on out for the US PS3.  once all the 60gbs are phased out, everything will be emulated by software.  something like an 80% compatibility rate at this point.
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yuk, with a library as big as the ps2's, 20% is a lot of games. Lets just hope on average its the crap 10 dollar games.
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i was gettin' shivers reading about the type of shit you could do in that game.  they're really lookin' out for the SMT fans

like what

well, the game sounds like it will have a lot of replay value.  considering that once a day passes, any action you decided not to do that day will not be accessible again (which means you'll have to replay the game and try different scenarios). the idea that your interactions during the day will shape your abilities and powers is crazy. 

i'm sure you've read most of it.  i'm not usually keen on social aspects of rpgs, but the direct influence of it all sounds fascinating to me.  i'm not even bummed that the other players cannot be controlled manually, like the atlus interview in the back of the book said:  it gives you a sense of camaraderie and dependence on all members of your party, while putting all your effort into your primary character.  sounds like there's going to be less micromanagement.  then again, it could turn all the "control freaks" off.
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Persona 3 for the Japasexual RPG fegs
Mass Effect for the Western RPG fegs
Bioshock for the FPS RPG fegs

It's like a PERFECT STORM of RPG faggotry. If I fail to woo a hot Japanese girl with a PhD, I will have NO PROBLEM drowning my sorrows in videogames!

My RPG boner has three heads, like the guy in Dhoom 2's thumb:


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rpgs <3
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i was gettin' shivers reading about the type of shit you could do in that game.  they're really lookin' out for the SMT fans

like what

well, the game sounds like it will have a lot of replay value.  considering that once a day passes, any action you decided not to do that day will not be accessible again (which means you'll have to replay the game and try different scenarios). the idea that your interactions during the day will shape your abilities and powers is crazy. 

i'm sure you've read most of it.  i'm not usually keen on social aspects of rpgs, but the direct influence of it all sounds fascinating to me.  i'm not even bummed that the other players cannot be controlled manually, like the atlus interview in the back of the book said:  it gives you a sense of camaraderie and dependence on all members of your party, while putting all your effort into your primary character.  sounds like there's going to be less micromanagement.  then again, it could turn all the "control freaks" off.

Yeah, P3 seems to be a type of game where you consider what you're going to do on the second or third play throughs. I love games like that.
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That Destructoid article on Persona 3 was really really annoying to read. I want to punch the author in the face. Especially for praising silent RPG protagonists.
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And what's wrong with silent rpg protagonists? Do you like annoying main characters? Or do you like games where you are not given the opportunity to ROLE PLAY?

Suck it up. Silent heroes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heroes that talk
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fuck these feggits rpg leads that talk more than fucking C3PO.
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i like serph.  the dude doesn't say SHIT.  no V.O, nothing. 
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fuck these feggits rpg leads that talk more than fucking C3PO.

 :lol

*gives error dap*
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The Japanese are pretty awful at silent protagonists. To me it feels more like bad writing/lazy writing. Western games seem to do a better job at it to me.
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Wrpg developers do it better, that's true. But I still prefer silents over talking characters.
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I hate silent protagonists, but at least I get to choose responses in DDS and get chastised for them cause they think I am as a wimp for not wanting to betray everyone.
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I don't like how they let you name your character, but when other people say it they reword it so they don't actually say it.

example:

Baten Kaitos

"I'm Sagi, and this is my partner, __________." where blank would be your name

Tales of the World PSP

"I'm floating elf guy, and this is [MY PARTNER]." where MY PARTNER would be your name
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silent protagonists suck, it's like "we can't do it right so we won't even try it lol". the only exceptions are chrono and serph, but heat is much cooler than serph anyway. he should've been the main character in dds.  :maf

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Silent Prots are fine if you get reply options. I hate when im silent, and then they just tell me what I said after there's a brief pause where im supposed to reply.
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Tales of the World PSP

"I'm floating elf guy, and this is [MY PARTNER]." where MY PARTNER would be your name

i found that pretty annoying too... "whaa, no text to speech?!"
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