Author Topic: Help! How can I convince a friend the world is more than 6,000 years old? (Read 4916 times)

Synbios459 · « **on:** July 31, 2007, 04:54:13 PM »

I was talking to him about it, and he said that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and Evolution won't be in schools in the next couple of years. Question: Where in the Bible does it say the world is 6,000 years old?

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:55:17 PM »

Just laugh at him; its all you can do for people like that.

Synbios459 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:57:19 PM »

What I don't get is why they just dismiss all the rocks and stuff that date back billions of years. I mean even going by their beliefs, couldn't God have made the Earth billions of years ago?

Synbios459 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:59:02 PM »

Quote from: Father_Mike on July 31, 2007, 04:55:17 PM

Just laugh at him; its all you can do for people like that.

Yeah, I don't know what's more distinguished mentally-challenged people thinking the Earth is only 6,000 years old, or people thinking birth control is wrong.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:00:11 PM »

People will just ignore what they want to suit their beliefs. I think the number 6000 actually comes from counting the generations mentioned since adam and eve. and that it was thought to be 6000 years old before jesus; so it should be 8000 now.

Robo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:00:20 PM »

Science is negligible to these people. Put bleach in his Mountain Dew and call it a day.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:00:53 PM »

Quote from: RoboJ on July 31, 2007, 05:00:20 PM

Science is negligible to these people. Put bleach in his Mountain Dew and call it a day.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:09:34 PM »

How do I convince you to get some new friends?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:12:42 PM »

Quote from: RoboJ on July 31, 2007, 05:00:20 PM

Science is negligible to these people. Put bleach in his Mountain Dew and call it a day.

I myself prefer Drano, but bleach works as well!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:01:35 PM »

in b4 phoenix dork

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:02:25 PM »

Teach him all about Japan. I'm sure he'll forget about it once he knows the wonder that is Japan.

Ichirou · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:03:56 PM »

I call bullshit. Synbios doesn't have any friends, just his dad. He's said so himself.

Mupepe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:06:06 PM »

I honestly don't get why you care what he thinks? He has a different opinion, as long as he's not picking fights with you, just let him be if he's really your friend.

Oblivion · « **Reply #13 on:** July 31, 2007, 08:17:24 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on July 31, 2007, 07:06:06 PM

I honestly don't get why you care what he thinks? He has a different opinion, as long as he's not picking fights with you, just let him be if he's really your friend.

I dunno, dude. If someone really is your friend, you should do what you can to help, and not let them continue living their lives being an ignorant ape.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #14 on:** July 31, 2007, 08:44:08 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on July 31, 2007, 07:06:06 PM

I honestly don't get why you care what he thinks? He has a different opinion, as long as he's not picking fights with you, just let him be if he's really your friend.

Real friends would help each other to see correctly.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:19:58 PM »

The child hid behind a large tree, yet she knew it was a worthless pursuit; no matter where she hid, he would know. Eventually the child stuck her small leg from behind the tree. As her leg came into view, the man at the far end of the park raised his eyes. He took in her view, glaring at her small legs. He had seen them many times before, yet even now he gave a knowing smile.

Cautiously the child walked across a patch of grass and sat across from the man. He had been sitting almost motionless on the grass for what seemed like ages. Around his knees grew all kinds of plants, and at the touch of his hand they blossomed. "Why do you sit here and do nothing?" asked the child, her eyes glancing down at the man's knee. "Is that really what you came to ask?"

"Well, no. I just wanted to ask -"

The man raised his hand, and immediately the child's voice fell. "I know what you ask"

"How old is the earth?" inquired the child, her eyes remaining on the man's knee. "It is old, yet young. Time means nothing to me." The man slowly lowered his hand and began to caress the child's small legs, which were inches from his knee.

"But Jesus, how old is it really?"

"That is for me to know, Cloud" said the man, as his fingers began to creep closer to the end of the child's dress.

Glescoes · « **Reply #16 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:32:17 PM »

Mupepe · « **Reply #17 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:32:29 PM »

Quote from: Father_Mike on July 31, 2007, 08:44:08 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 31, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
I honestly don't get why you care what he thinks? He has a different opinion, as long as he's not picking fights with you, just let him be if he's really your friend.

Real friends would help each other to see correctly.

If he's not rubbing it in your face and he's content with what he believes in, who are you to tell him differently? You can make your point, sur. But when you're like "oh man, i just have to fucking convince him" you're not "helping" him. You're trying to make him feel like a moron, no matter how pretty you want to paint it.

TVC15 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:48:18 PM »

"Trying to make him feel like a moron" has nothing to do with it; I'd just feel concerned that a friend were so deluded. Then again, I likely wouldn't associate with someone that indoctrinated; nor would they with me.

Mupepe · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:50:57 PM »

You might feel concerned that your friends feel so deluded, but why would you feel the need to convince him if he's content with his belief and you also know IT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO CONVINCE SOMEONE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. He's going to believe what he wants to believe and you can either accept that and be his friend or keep being a douche and trying to convince him which means, YOU'RE NOT HIS FUCKING FRIEND.

anyways, why would you be friends with such a moron anyways?

TVC15 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:54:30 PM »

You're right, I wouldn't be his friend. But I would like to mock him for his own ignorance.

Mupepe · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:01:16 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 31, 2007, 09:54:30 PM

You're right, I wouldn't be his friend. But I would like to mock him for his own ignorance.

YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT.

IMMA BANG YOU

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #22 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:02:18 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on July 31, 2007, 09:32:29 PM

Quote from: Father_Mike on July 31, 2007, 08:44:08 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on July 31, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
I honestly don't get why you care what he thinks? He has a different opinion, as long as he's not picking fights with you, just let him be if he's really your friend.

Real friends would help each other to see correctly.
If he's not rubbing it in your face and he's content with what he believes in, who are you to tell him differently? You can make your point, sur. But when you're like "oh man, i just have to fucking convince him" you're not "helping" him. You're trying to make him feel like a moron, no matter how pretty you want to paint it.

I was actually just kidding. I had a friend who was a bible humper but goddamn he was dumb -- he didn't even know if he was catholic or Protestant. anyways when ever he would say something stupid..which was often.. another friend and I would just give each other a knowing look.

Mupepe · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:03:33 PM »

mmmm baby give me a knowing look

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:05:59 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on July 31, 2007, 10:03:33 PM

mmmm baby give me a knowing look

:zelda

Mandark · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:00:04 PM »

When I first read the title to the thread, I skipped the "more than" part. It made me sad.

xnikki118x · « **Reply #26 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:13:56 AM »

Quote from: RoboJ on July 31, 2007, 05:00:20 PM

Science is negligible to these people. Put bleach in his Mountain Dew and call it a day.

Best answer.

Prost · « **Reply #27 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:00:27 AM »

Tell him that penis size is directly related to how long you think the earth has existed.

Tigerriot · « **Reply #28 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:21:43 AM »

While I'm certainly not about to claim the earth is not 6,000 years old, I also think it's hilarious anytime scientists try and make claims about things that happened zillions of years ago. To me, it's every bit as amusing as someone denying the earth is over 6,000 years old.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #29 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:04:50 AM »

"hur hur, ah'm tahgerriot, and lemme tell ya sommit about dem der science guys: they ain't knowin shee-it. ain't no licka common sense at all. all that there studyin' and observatin' and hypothemasizin' and they still say the goldam stupidest thangs about them that amigo acids an' primate soup and whatever! hurr hur hur! ain't no science never told a man how to get a goldam real jerb, that's what! hurr hur hur!"

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #30 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:12:09 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 11:04:50 AM

"hur hur, ah'm tahgerriot, and lemme tell ya sommit about dem der science guys: they ain't knowin shee-it. ain't no licka common sense at all. all that there studyin' and observatin' and hypothemasizin' and they still say the goldam stupidest thangs about them that amigo acids an' primate soup and whatever! hurr hur hur! ain't no science never told a man how to get a goldam real jerb, that's what! hurr hur hur!"

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #31 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:18:34 AM »

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 10:21:43 AM

While I'm certainly not about to claim the earth is not 6,000 years old, I also think it's hilarious anytime scientists try and make claims about things that happened zillions of years ago. To me, it's every bit as amusing as someone denying the earth is over 6,000 years old.

Why is it so amusing? Do you think it's amusing when astronomers claim that the sun is 4.5 billion years old?

Tigerriot · « **Reply #32 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:29:06 AM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 01, 2007, 11:18:34 AM

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 10:21:43 AM
While I'm certainly not about to claim the earth is not 6,000 years old, I also think it's hilarious anytime scientists try and make claims about things that happened zillions of years ago. To me, it's every bit as amusing as someone denying the earth is over 6,000 years old.

Why is it so amusing? Do you think it's amusing when astronomers claim that the sun is 4.5 billion years old?

Yeah, I do to some degree. Again, I'm in no way denying the earth isn't many millions of years old. You rabid atheists can read that again if you need to (Professor Prole).

But I find it amusing because so often scientists admit they're wrong, and what they thought just a few years ago was actually not the case. So while I'm not disputing we certainly have learned a lot about the world and the universe in the past 100 years, I also take a skeptical look at much of it as well.

If you think about it, there is certainly lots of motivation for a scientist to make a name for himself, and proclaim he's figured out something big. Yet 3 moths later some other scientists will come out and say he's got it wrong, and here is the real answer. Again, on the whole I'm not saying it's all wrong, but I certainly find people who act like theories about the universe are concretely known, amusing.

Just as there are religious people who want to say their book of choice has all the answers for the world, there are atheists/scientists who want to claim they have all the answers too. I think there should be skepticism of both sides.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #33 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:37:35 PM »

the motivation to drop to the ground and speak in tongues is a bit different than figuring out the age of the universe. as far as I know, they use the distance of a beam of light to figure out age or distance. and they estimate it with other factors they know. the difference is that they don't have a adam and eve bullshit to base their beliefs around, they have their educational background maybe to base their beliefs around but bible isn't education so yeah, you're a bit alone on that one.

Candyflip · « **Reply #34 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:45:40 PM »

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 10:21:43 AM

While I'm certainly not about to claim the earth is not 6,000 years old, I also think it's hilarious anytime scientists try and make claims about things that happened zillions of years ago. To me, it's every bit as amusing as someone denying the earth is over 6,000 years old.

Radiometric dating??

TVC15 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:51:22 PM »

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 11:29:06 AM

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 01, 2007, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 10:21:43 AM
While I'm certainly not about to claim the earth is not 6,000 years old, I also think it's hilarious anytime scientists try and make claims about things that happened zillions of years ago. To me, it's every bit as amusing as someone denying the earth is over 6,000 years old.

Why is it so amusing? Do you think it's amusing when astronomers claim that the sun is 4.5 billion years old?

But I find it amusing because so often scientists admit they're wrong, and what they thought just a few years ago was actually not the case. So while I'm not disputing we certainly have learned a lot about the world and the universe in the past 100 years, I also take a skeptical look at much of it as well.

Hey Tigerriot, the scientific method called. It said you're a dumbass. Then it called again and called you a dumbass again.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #36 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:05:02 PM »

so basically, you distrust science because it admits mistakes and works to rectify them, but you buy fantasy explanations wholesale? the fuck?

(also i am not an atheist.)

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #37 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:07:20 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 04:05:02 PM

(also i am not an atheist.)

Wha?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #38 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:11:32 PM »

i'm not! i have no interest in disproving the existence of your dumb gods. they are silly questions that suppose even sillier answers. if the scientific method discovers the christian god, we'll talk. until then, i remain deliberately agnostic.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #39 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:13:45 PM »

Ah agnostic, the bisexuals of the scientific community

spoiler (click to show/hide)

respect +10

[close]

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #40 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:15:59 PM »

not true! i will gladly fuck science monogamously.

TVC15 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:23:24 PM »

God does not need to be disproven. The existence of such an entity does not logically follow. It is a non sequitor. The origin explanation that aliens from another planet created us as cosmic sea monkeys makes more sense.

Tigerriot · « **Reply #42 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:00:38 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 04:05:02 PM

so basically, you distrust science because it admits mistakes and works to rectify them, but you buy fantasy explanations wholesale? the fuck?

(also i am not an atheist.)

Nope. See, you're still approaching all conversations with me with the belief that I'm a hardcore religious guy or something. I have plenty of skepticism about religions.

Re-read my last reply in this thread. I clearly stated both science and religion deserve some skepticism. I guess to a rabid atheist that statement doesn't go far enough, so I'm automatically a Jehovah's witness.

Juuuuust like when I say "Damn, those Iraqi politicians sure are taking forever to agree on oil sharing", and I'm labeled a redneck republican, who loves President Bush, and loves all his Iraq war ideas.

If I'm not on your extreme side of an arguement, I must be on the other extreme opposite side of that arguement. Great logic fellas. Great logic.

max_cool · « **Reply #43 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:15:27 PM »

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 04:05:02 PM
so basically, you distrust science because it admits mistakes and works to rectify them, but you buy fantasy explanations wholesale? the fuck?

(also i am not an atheist.)

Nope. See, you're still approaching all conversations with me with the belief that I'm a hardcore religious guy or something. I have plenty of skepticism about religions.

Re-read my last reply in this thread. I clearly stated both science and religion deserve some skepticism. I guess to a rabid atheist that statement doesn't go far enough, so I'm automatically a Jehovah's witness.

Juuuuust like when I say "Damn, those Iraqi politicians sure are taking forever to agree on oil sharing", and I'm labeled a redneck republican, who loves President Bush, and loves all his Iraq war ideas.

If I'm not on your extreme side of an arguement, I must be on the other extreme opposite side of that arguement. Great logic fellas. Great logic.

One of the best things that can happen in science is for the standard model to be thoroughly proven wrong. Either you are ignorant to how science works or you are an extremist, either way it's not good to be you.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #44 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:38:16 PM »

What is it about the way astronomers estimate the age of the universe or the way that geologists estimate the age of the Earth that makes you so skeptical?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #45 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:20:33 PM »

maybe if they'd written those geological estimates in the bible 2000 years ago he wouldn't be so skeptical!

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #46 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:27:43 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 08:20:33 PM

maybe if they'd written those geological estimates in the bible 2000 years ago he wouldn't be so skeptical!

Science is the new religion. Dawkins is your pope and evolution is the new transubstantiation. I'm skeptical. YOU CAN'T FOOL ME!

Candyflip · « **Reply #47 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:29:47 PM »

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 04:05:02 PM
so basically, you distrust science because it admits mistakes and works to rectify them, but you buy fantasy explanations wholesale? the fuck?

(also i am not an atheist.)

Nope. See, you're still approaching all conversations with me with the belief that I'm a hardcore religious guy or something. I have plenty of skepticism about religions.

Re-read my last reply in this thread. I clearly stated both science and religion deserve some skepticism. I guess to a rabid atheist that statement doesn't go far enough, so I'm automatically a Jehovah's witness.

Juuuuust like when I say "Damn, those Iraqi politicians sure are taking forever to agree on oil sharing", and I'm labeled a redneck republican, who loves President Bush, and loves all his Iraq war ideas.

If I'm not on your extreme side of an arguement, I must be on the other extreme opposite side of that arguement. Great logic fellas. Great logic.

You've yet to support your stance in any way at all. "I don't believe either. I'm skeptical about both." You've reiterated the same thing twice with no reason for it. Grats.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #48 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:32:17 PM »

Quote from: Candyflip on August 01, 2007, 08:29:47 PM

Quote from: Tigerriot on August 01, 2007, 07:00:38 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 01, 2007, 04:05:02 PM
so basically, you distrust science because it admits mistakes and works to rectify them, but you buy fantasy explanations wholesale? the fuck?

(also i am not an atheist.)

Nope. See, you're still approaching all conversations with me with the belief that I'm a hardcore religious guy or something. I have plenty of skepticism about religions.

Re-read my last reply in this thread. I clearly stated both science and religion deserve some skepticism. I guess to a rabid atheist that statement doesn't go far enough, so I'm automatically a Jehovah's witness.

Juuuuust like when I say "Damn, those Iraqi politicians sure are taking forever to agree on oil sharing", and I'm labeled a redneck republican, who loves President Bush, and loves all his Iraq war ideas.

If I'm not on your extreme side of an arguement, I must be on the other extreme opposite side of that arguement. Great logic fellas. Great logic.
You've yet to support your stance in any way at all. "I don't believe either. I'm skeptical about both." You've reiterated the same thing twice with no reason for it. Grats.

Support hisposition. With what? Evidence, observation, logic, equations, tests? What is this science?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #49 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:38:05 PM »

hay guyz whats goin on

TVC15 · « **Reply #50 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2007, 08:38:05 PM

hay guyz whats goin on

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #51 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:58:01 PM »

The child hid behind a large tree, yet she knew it was a worthless pursuit; no matter where she hid, he would know. Eventually the child stuck her small leg from behind the tree. As her leg came into view, the man at the far end of the park raised his eyes. He took in her view, glaring at her small legs. He had seen them many times before, yet even now he gave a knowing smile.

Cautiously the child walked across a patch of grass and sat across from the man. He had been sitting almost motionless on the grass for what seemed like ages. Around his knees grew all kinds of plants, and at the touch of his hand they blossomed. "Why do you sit here and do nothing?" asked the child, her eyes glancing down at the man's knee. "Is that really what you came to ask?"

"Well, no. I just wanted to ask -"

The man raised his hand, and immediately the child's voice fell. "I know what you ask"

"How old is the earth?" inquired the child, her eyes remaining on the man's knee. "It is old, yet young. Time means nothing to me." The man slowly lowered his hand and began to caress the child's small legs, which were inches from his knee.

"But Jesus, how old is it really?"

"That is for me to know, Cloud" said the man, as his fingers began to creep closer to the end of the child's dress.

Candyflip · « **Reply #52 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:59:22 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2007, 08:58:01 PM

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The child hid behind a large tree, yet she knew it was a worthless pursuit; no matter where she hid, he would know. Eventually the child stuck her small leg from behind the tree. As her leg came into view, the man at the far end of the park raised his eyes. He took in her view, glaring at her small legs. He had seen them many times before, yet even now he gave a knowing smile.

Cautiously the child walked across a patch of grass and sat across from the man. He had been sitting almost motionless on the grass for what seemed like ages. Around his knees grew all kinds of plants, and at the touch of his hand they blossomed. "Why do you sit here and do nothing?" asked the child, her eyes glancing down at the man's knee. "Is that really what you came to ask?"

"Well, no. I just wanted to ask -"

The man raised his hand, and immediately the child's voice fell. "I know what you ask"

"How old is the earth?" inquired the child, her eyes remaining on the man's knee. "It is old, yet young. Time means nothing to me." The man slowly lowered his hand and began to caress the child's small legs, which were inches from his knee.

"But Jesus, how old is it really?"

"That is for me to know, Cloud" said the man, as his fingers began to creep closer to the end of the child's dress.

(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)

Do one about me! I don't want to be left out :'(

TVC15 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:59:36 PM »

I couldn't make the image catdance-sized. You can't make it much smaller than that without losing something about the creepiness of his entire head.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #54 on:** August 01, 2007, 09:05:30 PM »

pd isn't pd is he? His account someones puppet now?

Ichirou · « **Reply #55 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:52:18 PM »

PD's account got taken over by Cheebs, I think.

TVC15 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:01:30 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on August 01, 2007, 10:52:18 PM

PD's account got taken over by Cheebs, I think.

Someone check.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #57 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:02:09 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on August 01, 2007, 11:01:30 PM

Quote from: Ichirou on August 01, 2007, 10:52:18 PM
PD's account got taken over by Cheebs, I think.

Someone check.

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Author Topic: Help! How can I convince a friend the world is more than 6,000 years old? (Read 4916 times)