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Rap cleaning up its act?
« on: August 02, 2007, 06:34:24 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20095871/

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NEW YORK - Rap’s critics have been complaining for years, only to watch the music become even more profane — and more popular. But now it seems as if Don Imus may be accomplishing what a generation of detractors could not.

Four months after outrage over Imus’ sexist and racial comments led to intense scrutiny of rap’s negative imagery, and as the genre’s sales continue to plummet, some artists are publicly abandoning offensive language.

The platinum-seller Chamillionaire recently announced that his new album, “Ultimate Victory,” would be cuss- and N-word free. Numerous lesser-known rappers are promoting themselves as alternatives to misogynistic gangsta rap. The handlers behind 17-year-old sensation Sean Kingston are touting him as PG-rated. And the veteran gangsta Master P also declared that he would make clean music (though the “Dancing With the Stars” contestant’s hitmaking days now seem long gone).

How does this make RAP fans at the bore feel?

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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2007, 06:36:18 PM »
wtf did Imus have to do with rap's image?

Imus was about racist white guys, not rap.
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2007, 06:42:05 PM »
I wish the black man was still getting the beat down so i could get some good new blues music. 

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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 06:43:18 PM »
I wish the black man was still getting the beat down so i could get some good new blues music. 
new blues still exists, you just aren't looking hard enough.
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2007, 06:43:51 PM »
I didnt really think Imus was racist.

But yea this is good for rap.

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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2007, 06:45:22 PM »
Album of the year was moved to 2008 for me :(

Anyway Ganster Rap sells and wont be going anywhere soon, regardless.

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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2007, 06:45:56 PM »
I didnt really think Imus was racist.

But yea this is good for rap.
I don't think he was racist but I am talking about the media whoring of the event and how it was shown.
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2007, 06:47:04 PM »
oh yea, i agree with that. Just another excuse for Sharpton to get his panties in a bundle.

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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2007, 06:50:10 PM »
I wish the black man was still getting the beat down so i could get some good new blues music. 
new blues still exists, you just aren't looking hard enough.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2007, 06:52:02 PM »
The article is very manipulative. It insinuates that rap's poor sales and the Don Imus spat share a correlation, which simply isn't true. Rap sales have been on the decline for some time; last year only two rap albums went platinum. The music's failure has nothing to do with the content and everything to do with the quality: people realize that these albums feature one big single mixed with a bunch of filler, and with Itunes they can now download the single and ditch the rest of the album. Yet at the same time, some huge rap albums are coming out later this year and should sell very well - 50 Cent, Kanye West, and Lil Wayne all drop albums later this year.

Rap is not going to change as long as people continue to demand that content. You won't see the misogyny disappear until women stop dancing to songs that call them sluts/hoes/bitches. When Oprah had her little town meeting episode on rap, Common (who was featured on the panel) said that during commercial breaks she'd dance to the very music she was attacking. It's hilarious. People need to take responsibility: if you don't like the music, stop demanding it. Luckily for label CEOs, that will never happen.

The article also mentioned Russel Simmons' recent calls for hip hop to change. Russel Simmons built Def Jam, profited off explicit content that was violent/sexist/etc, sold the company for more than $100 million, and NOW has "seen the light." In other words, he had no problem with the music while he was profiting off it. He's a hypocrite of the highest degree yet no one is willing to call him out.

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2007, 06:53:16 PM »
FEB 2008 RAP ALBUM OF THE YEAR:

ROCKET SURGERY
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2007, 07:07:08 PM »
I don't even know what to say - I'm a huge hip-hop head but I hate the state of the industry in 2007; I can count on one hand the amount of good albums that have came out this year (Thes One's "Lifestyle Marketing", The Opus' "Bleeding Density", Moka Only's "Airport" / "Vermillion") and half of those are instrumental joints.

« Last Edit: August 02, 2007, 07:22:55 PM by Saint Cornelius »
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2007, 07:10:45 PM »
I don't even know what to say - I'm a huge hip-hip head but I hate the state of the industry in 2007; I can count on one hand the amount of good albums that have came out this year (Thes One's "Lifestyle Marketing", The Opus' "Bleeding Density", Moka Only's "Airport" / "Vermillion") and half of those are instrumental joints.


Check this out man!


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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2007, 07:11:32 PM »
Obama says rap is corrupting the black youth to not want to try hard in school!
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2007, 07:13:08 PM »
Obama says rap is corrupting the black youth to not want to try hard in school!

Obama is an absolute joke. I don't want to hear his views on the black community. What's Hillary got to say? :bow
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2007, 07:14:13 PM »
i could care less about the mainstream rap scene, it will probably always be the booty shaking, bad-hook, blingbling shitstorm it's always been (except maybe for a good year or two in the late 90s).  the indie rap scene is where it's at...  better beats, thoughtful lyrics, and less of the overglamorized MTV bullshit that america has grown to love/hate. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2007, 07:17:21 PM »
Obama says rap is corrupting the black youth to not want to try hard in school!

Obama is an absolute joke. I don't want to hear his views on the black community. What's Hillary got to say? :bow



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Soon after Mr. Imus’s firing, The Daily News had Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, splashed on its cover alongside the hip-hop producer Timbaland, whose oeuvre includes some Imusian language.
Hillary and Timbaland are tight.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2007, 07:20:22 PM »
She attacked rap music too, even before Sharpton and Obomba. I remember watching FOX and Tucker and they were saying she was a hypocrite for taking money from Timbaland lol.

I hate "social issue Hillary" but I like "Hillary the asskicker"
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2007, 07:22:31 PM »
I LOVE Monch, the first two Organized Konfusion records are fuck awesome classics... but I think Desire is really boring.
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2007, 07:23:03 PM »
She attacked rap music too, even before Sharpton and Obomba. I remember watching FOX and Tucker and they were saying she was a hypocrite for taking money from Timbaland lol.

I hate "social issue Hillary" but I like "Hillary the asskicker"

social issue hillary kind of went away with this primary. She was way into banning flag burning and game/tv violence restrictions but since running she hasnt said anything about those issues.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2007, 07:29:47 PM »
FEB 2008 RAP ALBUM OF THE YEAR:

ROCKET SURGERY

RAZOR TAG, MIXTAPE OF THE YEAR

freesamplez: http://rapidshare.com/files/46623030/19_They_Don_t_Know.mp3.html
(the entire mixtape is downloadable on myspace, google it)
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2007, 07:30:36 PM »
I LOVE Monch, the first two Organized Konfusion records are fuck awesome classics... but I think Desire is really boring.

OMG :'(

I thought it was one of the most energetic hip hop albums of the year, and certainly the best so far
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2007, 09:05:02 PM »
It's strangely "adult" and boring.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2007, 09:22:10 PM »
What is there to say? Corny and Phoenix said all there is to say.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2007, 09:23:04 PM »
I read the topic as "Rape cleaning up its act?" :-\
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2007, 09:25:02 PM »
Jesus Christ Patel I'm disappointed in you. I expected that from phoenix dark or something, but you?
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2007, 09:27:53 PM »
Sorry...I'm not very familiar with "rap" music. The word is still new to me.

This is the only "rap" song I've ever heard:

[youtube=425,350]ryAAWJOujoI[/youtube]
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2007, 09:29:48 PM »
:rofl
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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2007, 09:35:13 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2007, 11:22:53 PM »
Meh. Rap is just a scapegoat. It' convenient for America to blame the disintegration of their youth on darkie music without taking any notice of mainstream pop sluts such as PCD etc or the wider materialism and narcissism that is now being entrenched from birth.

Also rap is failing because you have a bunch of 30 year olds who bring nothing new. You've got misogynistic gangsters on the right and coffee house revolutionaries on the left.
Mainstream rap has simply become club music and I think it's at the stage where it's joined blues, jazz and soul where there'll be people talking about the good ol' days. I used to think rap would be like rock constantly evolving and dispersing but that simply isn't the case.
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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2007, 11:28:38 PM »
Yup, rap has been in the same place for some time now. The same bling bling shit from 1998 (Diddy) is still hot now. But now it's these southern cats doing it instead of the east coast. It's so bad now that when I look back on the whole Diddy/Cash Money/etc shit...that stuff was like The Beatles compared to mainstream shit today. That's disgusting.



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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2007, 11:34:56 PM »
Didn't he invent the remix, though?

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« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2007, 12:42:11 AM »
Southside started the whole bling bling shit, pd. Learn your shit.
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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2007, 12:54:48 AM »
I like Chamillionaire and Sean Kingston. :)

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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2007, 12:57:21 AM »
Southside started the whole bling bling shit, pd. Learn your shit.

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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2007, 12:57:25 AM »
nicca nicca nicca nicca nicca nicca!!!  :-*  I'm hardcore yo! :punch
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2007, 01:04:52 AM »
Southside started the whole bling bling shit, pd. Learn your shit.

No they didn't :lol

The east coast started it. Biggie/Diddy were doing that stuff way before Cash Money
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2007, 01:06:14 AM »
Southside started the whole bling bling shit, pd. Learn your shit.

No they didn't :lol

The east coast started it. Biggie/Diddy were doing that stuff way before Cash Money

They didn't idolize like they did. Hell, Wayne is the person who made the phrase bling bling.
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2007, 01:13:13 AM »
Southside started the whole bling bling shit, pd. Learn your shit.

No they didn't :lol

The east coast started it. Biggie/Diddy were doing that stuff way before Cash Money

They didn't idolize like they did. Hell, Wayne is the person who made the phrase bling bling.

Um...Diddy was the first artist to start going all out with videos, flashing money/cristal and shit. Same with Jay Z. Even Rapper's Delight was talking about that stuff Really the east coast created nearly every major "theme" in hip hop first. The west originated the gangsta stuff as well as some other stuff, but overall it's east coast runnin these hoes
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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2007, 01:19:16 AM »
They created it, but they didn't really make it a complete gimmick like the south. The East knew how to balance. The south just knows how to feed off of what's popular and just run with it constantly.
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2007, 01:27:04 AM »
They created it, but they didn't really make it a complete gimmick like the south. The East knew how to balance. The south just knows how to feed off of what's popular and just run with it constantly.

Are you calling THIS balanced?
[youtube=425,350]6nzHIx4fVuE[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]FsZY_IZKRqc[/youtube]

All the NY cats were rapping about that stuff after Biggie died, and are responsible for rap's current state. Don't get me wrong, even at their lowest NY rappers like Jay were 100 times better than these southern fools. But they were doing as much of the flossing. Lil Wayne may have created "bling bling" but the East created "money, cash, hoes"
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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2007, 01:30:38 AM »
I dunno. Maybe I'm biased but the NYC shit is just so much better than the South stuff even when they're just flaunting necklaces. I mean, that song is classic.
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2007, 01:35:34 AM »
Slick Rick really started the big chain and large jewellery thing.
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2007, 01:41:17 AM »
I dunno. Maybe I'm biased but the NYC shit is just so much better than the South stuff even when they're just flaunting necklaces. I mean, that song is classic.

I agree. Like I said, nearly every mainstream NY cat back then was 10 times better than this new shit. You know why? Because they could rap. Even if they had nothing to say, they could spit. Hell even today LIL MAMA (lip gloss), who's from NY and like 16, can rap circles around these southern distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who can't even freestyle.
[youtube=425,350]tErY8teod0A[/youtube]
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But...Nas was 100% wack during his bling phase. I mean come on...
[youtube=425,350]i_UPkz_ZLlc[/youtube]
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Slick Rick really started the big chain and large jewellery thing.

Run DMC were doing that long before Rick
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2007, 01:42:34 AM »
While Nas was in his bling phase we got stuff like this:

[youtube=425,350]WL2txMU50CI[/youtube]
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« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2007, 01:46:11 AM »
 :lol

Juve>>>>>Shop Boyz and these other fools. Yeah he sucked but at least I could listen and be entertained at his stupidity.

[youtube=425,350]KO7si01t1f8[/youtube]
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« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2007, 01:47:49 AM »
DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT

DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT
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« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2007, 02:07:04 AM »
I wish the west coast would come back. Sure all they did was talk about gang banging and smoking weed, but they had some of the best production in the game. BRING BACK G-FUNK

[youtube=425,350]NENz1rEJgRk[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]9PVlqQcyTXg[/youtube]
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« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2007, 02:12:33 AM »
:bow :bow :bow

Snoop and Dre brings back such GREAT memories. Especially Gin and Juice.
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« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2007, 02:23:50 AM »
What do you think of The Game? Some claim he's hot and bring the west back, others say he's a fraud. I'm sort of in the middle. Game has some hot songs that remind me of the 90's, but his obsession with Dr Dre (who doesn't work with him anymore because of 50 lol) is very gay, and he lyrics are weak overall. Plus he sounds way too much like Dre. IMO he shits on 50, which isn't hard to do.

[youtube=425,350]JdDHcW9TyPo[/youtube]
Kanye's beat is great

[youtube=425,350]DnL3eAof6uo[/youtube]
One of the best fucking beats of 2006. Sounds classic to me
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« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2007, 02:28:09 AM »
You know what I think of Game.

He's a no talent hack that thrives off of listing people he admires as tribute instead of providing real content.

And Oprah said that Kanye said that Dre had a dream, because 50 woke me up next to Alliyah as I dipped my semen.
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« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2007, 02:47:57 AM »
You know what I think of Game.

He's a no talent hack that thrives off of listing people he admires as tribute instead of providing real content.

And Oprah said that Kanye said that Dre had a dream, because 50 woke me up next to Alliyah as I dipped my semen.

Making your own Game verse is easier than making a Lil Wayne verse.

I wope up today like what the fuck
Lauryn ain't with Wycles and Pras
I heard Jay was givin Dame some sass
Then my bitch said Destiny's Chikd broke up
Before he died Tupac stopped goin to Dre's to smoke up
Hittin that Chronic while listin to Doggystyle
I be like the Wal Mart logo, just smile


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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2007, 03:00:03 AM »
All this "hos east side west side north side south side bling bling ballinnnn" shit pretty much made me hate rap.

But I remember liking some Dre and Eminem like seven years ago.
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« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2007, 03:09:44 AM »
All this "hos east side west side north side south side bling bling ballinnnn" shit pretty much made me hate rap.

But I remember liking some Dre and Eminem like seven years ago.

East side: great lyricists (Biggie), innovative flow/verse structures (Rakim)
West: great production (Dre. Dre), great emotional delivery (Tupac)
South: Geto Boys, Outkast
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2007, 11:11:42 AM »
You know what I think of Game.

He's a no talent hack that thrives off of listing people he admires as tribute instead of providing real content.

And Oprah said that Kanye said that Dre had a dream, because 50 woke me up next to Alliyah as I dipped my semen.

Making your own Game verse is easier than making a Lil Wayne verse.

I wope up today like what the fuck
Lauryn ain't with Wycles and Pras
I heard Jay was givin Dame some sass
Then my bitch said Destiny's Chikd broke up
Before he died Tupac stopped goin to Dre's to smoke up
Hittin that Chronic while listin to Doggystyle
I be like the Wal Mart logo, just smile


SMH NICCA!

It's so true.
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Re: Rap cleaning up its act?
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2007, 11:22:38 AM »
:bow :bow :bow

Snoop and Dre brings back such GREAT memories. Especially Gin and Juice.

oh man, I used to stay home from school a lot in middle school (faked being sick cause school sucked or I didn't do my work) and I would watch music videos all day.  LOOOOOOVVED anything dre and snoop.  :'(
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« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2007, 11:26:45 AM »
The best satire of Rap is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P3Wc-37pC4