I'm about to watch THE ELEPHANT MAN

[Phoenix Dark]

Movie time is at 1:30AM. Joox has it up which rox.

I'll get some ice water and then watch this. I have been told it's Mr. Lynch's most accessible film AM THIS TRUE PANANGAS?

[TVC15]

You are gonna be depressed!

[Van Cruncheon]

hahaha, PD SUICIDE WATCH

[Phoenix Dark]

Why? I figure looking at ole Fat Face should cheer me up.

[Himu]

Hahaha oh man. PD is foolish if he's going to watch this movie at 1 fucking 30 in the morning. Give this movie the time it deserves. Watch it tomorrow.

And lol @ you thinking you WON'T get depressed.

[Phoenix Dark]

I've seen his face and it's not fatter than Julia Stiles'

[Himu]

It's not that his face is ugly that makes the movie depressing. CHRIST.

[TVC15]

I've seen his face and it's not fatter than Julia Stiles'

That's what Joseph Merrick actually looked like.  They used molds taken of his head after he died in order to make the prosthetics, fyi.

[Himu]

The makeup in that movie so deserved an award. Shame the academy didn't have that award back then.

Hell, the fact the movie didn't get an award at all is shocking.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

Oh I didn't kno that. Well I'm gonna take a piss and then watch this. Full review in the morning no doubt - impressions right after I finish.

[Phoenix Dark]

QUICK: what do you guys rate the movie 1 to 10?

[TVC15]

QUICK: what do you guys rate the movie 1 to 10?

I'd rate it as high as anything I've ever seen.  The one thing I would ding it on is that it isn't something you can watch frequently.  It's a pretty exhausting movie.  The fact that it still holds up really well as an emotional uppercut on multiple viewings does say a lot about its quality. 

There's not a bad performance in the movie, either.  The movie also looks god damned amazing.  Lynch had to reel himself in, coming off Eraserhead, but it still by and large looks like a Lynch.

[Himu]

QUICK: what do you guys rate the movie 1 to 10?

10

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[The Fake Shemp]

B-

[TVC15]

The movie gets me every time like no other.  The only analog is the novel The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.  Experiencing either is always like experiencing it for the first time

[Bloodwake]

I'm very curious about this film.

A viewing is in my future.

[Ichirou]

It's a 10.  And geez, PD, making fun of the guy's "fat head."  Do you even know how he died? Jesus Christ.

[bud]

the elephant man, while it's a masterpiece, is a movie that i've only seen once and i doubt i'll ever see it again. never has a movie made me feel more uncomfortable and depressed than this one, not even requiem for a dream.

[Himu]

I'M NOT AN ANIMAL. I'M A HUMAN BEING.

[Tauntaun]

I'M NOT AN ANIMAL. I'M A HUMAN BEING.

japafags aren't human OR animal, they're awesome I MEAN GHEY! 

[Phoenix Dark]

I should have watched it a bit earlier. I fell asleep during the final few minutes or so - after he left the theater (where he got a standing ovation) and went home, and slowly made up his find for the final time I guess. When Joox comes up again I'll watch the rest.

What I saw was definitely impressive. Honestly I can't think of many complaints, if any. Outside of the pacing (which dragged at times) it was solid.

[Van Cruncheon]

how the fuck do you fall asleep during the elephant man? that movie KEPT ME UP the first night after i watched it, i felt so bad!

[TVC15]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

[Phoenix Dark]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

Joox is high quality though! The picture quality was very good.

I didn't find the movie "sad" as much as I found it disturbing. The only scenes that really got me were the torture one (where they came into his room) and the one where he was being chased around the train station. :'(

[TVC15]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

Joox is high quality though! The picture quality was very good.

I didn't find the movie "sad" as much as I found it disturbing. The only scenes that really got me were the torture one (where they came into his room) and the one where he was being chased around the train station. :'(

I doubt it was high quality.  Blacks typically get the shaft in compression algorithms, so there'd be a definite quality hit on the visuals in a b&w movie.

[Phoenix Dark]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

Joox is high quality though! The picture quality was very good.

I didn't find the movie "sad" as much as I found it disturbing. The only scenes that really got me were the torture one (where they came into his room) and the one where he was being chased around the train station. :'(

I doubt it was high quality.  Blacks typically get the shaft in compression algorithms, so there'd be a definite quality hit on the visuals in a b&w movie.

Here ya go:
http://joox.net/cat/2


The bastards took the movie down already, but you can see that all the movies there are in high quality (expect stuff like the new Harry Potter)

[Himu]

I told you not to watch it at 1:30 in the morning. You haven't listened to a word we said in this thread have you.

[Himu]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

Joox is high quality though! The picture quality was very good.

I didn't find the movie "sad" as much as I found it disturbing. The only scenes that really got me were the torture one (where they came into his room) and the one where he was being chased around the train station. :'(

You find it disturbing more than sad? How is that possible? Do you have any idea what it must have been like for the real Joseph Merrick, and you find it more disturbing than sad? Jesus Christ.

[TVC15]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

Joox is high quality though! The picture quality was very good.

I didn't find the movie "sad" as much as I found it disturbing. The only scenes that really got me were the torture one (where they came into his room) and the one where he was being chased around the train station. :'(

I doubt it was high quality.  Blacks typically get the shaft in compression algorithms, so there'd be a definite quality hit on the visuals in a b&w movie.

Here ya go:
http://joox.net/cat/2


The bastards took the movie down already, but you can see that all the movies there are in high quality (expect stuff like the new Harry Potter)

<Looks at B&W movie> And the blacks do look terrible.

[Phoenix Dark]

You fucking watched it on joox?  Do you have any respect for a movie's presentation?

Joox is high quality though! The picture quality was very good.

I didn't find the movie "sad" as much as I found it disturbing. The only scenes that really got me were the torture one (where they came into his room) and the one where he was being chased around the train station. :'(

You find it disturbing more than sad? How is that possible? Do you have any idea what it must have been like for the real Joseph Merrick, and you find it more disturbing than sad? Jesus Christ.

It was a sad movie, but not as sad as some felt it was; I wasn't depressed either. I found myself more disturbed at the way he was treated than the way he looked

TVC: what movie did you preview?

[Robo]

Speaking of Joox, I see they have STREET TRASH on there!  I strongly suggest all of you watch it.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

The movie gets me every time like no other.  The only analog is the novel The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.  Experiencing either is always like experiencing it for the first time

I feel that way about Light. I've read it three times now (which is a lot for me, I don't normally reread books) and everytime I finish I get this amazing catharsis.

Light walked me back from the edge of the abyss.

[TVC15]

The movie gets me every time like no other.  The only analog is the novel The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.  Experiencing either is always like experiencing it for the first time

I feel that way about Light. I've read it three times now (which is a lot for me, I don't normally reread books) and everytime I finish I get this amazing catharsis.

Light walked me back from the edge of the abyss.

Palmer Eldritch is better.  Forget about having an amazing cathartic experience.  The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch pulls no punches, and lets you know that the universe is a confusing, unpleasant, and upsetting place and that we should all just pray that we die sooner rather than later.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Light is like being hatefucked for the first 9/10 of the book, but then it makes you breakfast the next morning.

Here is a religious tract for the Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch:



My favorite Dick is Ubik, btw. Well, maybe Martian Time-Slip.

[TVC15]

Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch is my favorite.  Ubik is probably second.  I can't believe nobody has tried to make a movie out of Ubik, actually, since I think it is mostly filmable (Eldritch is probably unfilmable).  Then probably VALIS.  Then Maze of Death.  Oh, I should probably rank The Man in the High Castle higher, too.

But anyway, Palmer Eldritch > All.  Palmer Eldritch is JESUS.  MORE LIKE JESUS ELDRITCH:

[Van Cruncheon]

"The BLADE RUNNER Novelist"

:'(

[TVC15]

I always liked this write-up, for those interested in The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch:

One of Philip K. Dick's darker and more disturbing SF novels; his last of 1964, during which he churned out five books under the twin influences of amphetamines and economic pressure. Hugely expanded from his short story classic The Days of Perky Pat, it mostly concerns the reality-destroying hallucinogen Chew-Z, a derivative of an extraterrestrial lichen, brought back by eponymous antagonist Eldritch from the Proxima Centauri star system.

As was his habit during this period, PKD throws several different ideas into the novel - protagonist Leo Bulero, a 'bubblehead', having the expanded cerebellum and chitinous skull-rind of one who's undergone many hours (equivalent to thousands of years) of 'evolution therapy', is the proprietor of P.P. Layouts, a company which sells miniaturized ('minned') versions of Earthside luxury items to Martian colonists to be used when they chew the slightly tamer hallucinogen Can-D (covertly supplied by Bulero's company) in order to create a shared consensual subreality - translation: an amusement to some, a religion to others - in their dollhouse-like Perky Pat layouts, where minned items serve as props.

Bulero and his chief 'Pre-Fash consultant' Barney Mayerson - a corporate psychic who determines in advance which will be the most popular items for minning - engage in their different ways with adversary Palmer Eldritch and his rival product, Chew-Z. Things are complicated by Mayerson's emotional entanglements with his ex-wife (a potter, for whom evolution therapy turns out to be a bad move) his fellow pre-cognitive assistant, and, later on, a more traditional religionist out to convert the Martian colonists to the transubstantiation doctrine of the Neo-American Christian Church.

The plot develops at a furious (and disorienting) pace. The characterization is solid, and the utter desolation of life as a Martian colonist ("welcome to our hovel, Chicken Pox Prospects") is conveyed with sardonic humour and a stupendous bleakness. But the feature of the work which has undoubtedly attracted the most attention, not to say controversy, is PKD's extremely subtle (and theologically literate) blending of religion (and a familiar character or two from an actual religion) and hallucinogenic drugs. The book was translated into German, in 1971, under the title 'LSD Astronauten', and many have suspected that LSD experiences went into its creation, but PKD himself has consistently denied this, claiming to have not indulged in any psychedelics until a later date. In Britain, the author was accused of blasphemy in some reviews.

Many readers have found it a uniquely disturbing or profound work, though PKD himself has come close to disowning it, for variously stated reasons (saying at one time: "I am afraid of that book; it deals with absolute evil"). My guess is that it's the emotional associations with the period of its creation that prompted this. PKD writes elsewhere:

Isolation generated the novel and yearning generated the story; in the novel a mixture of the fear of being abandoned and the fantasy of the beautiful woman who waits for you - somewhere, but God only knows where; I have still to figure it out. But if you are sitting alone day after day at your typewriter, turning out one story after another and having no one to talk to, no one to be with, and yet pro forma having a wife and four daughters from whose house you have been expelled, banished to a little single-walled shack that is so cold in winter that, literally, the ink would freeze in my typewriter ribbon, well, you are going to write about iron slot-eyed faces and warm young women...

The novel is prefaced with a tiny memo:

I mean, after all; you have to consider we're only made out of dust. That's admittedly not much to go on and we shouldn't forget that. But even considering, I mean it's a sort of bad beginning, we're not doing too bad. So I personally have faith that even in this lousy situation we're faced with we can make it. You get me?
From an interoffice audio-memo cir-
culated to Pre-Fash level consultants
at Perky Pat Layouts, Inc., dictated by
Leo Bulero immediately on his return
from Mars.

The author later wrote of this memo: "This little section appears ahead of the text of the novel. It is the novel, actually, this paragraph; the rest is a sort of post mortem, or rather, a flashback in which all that came to produce the one-paragraph book is presented. Seventy-five thousand words, which I labored over many months, merely explains, is merely there to provide background to the one small statement in the book that matters." (It is, by the way, missing from the German edition.)

I think it's fair to say that if you venture into the seventy-five thousand word exegesis of that little memo, you're risking undergoing an alteration of some of your basic notions about reality, from which it may be impossible to fully return.

[Himu]

The Blade Runner novelist...? 

[Phoenix Dark]

Phoenix Dark's Surface Mini Reviews - Because If I Can't See It, It Doesn't Exist!

After finishing this movie I really couldn't think of many things to complain about. Outside of the pacing this is a perfectly executed film. The acting is great, the music is awesome (it's like the Puppet Master theme and the Platoon theme!), the writing was nice, etc.

I'm a bit confused on some things. I don't really understand the significance of the smoke, which was constantly used. What does it mean?

I've seen many films but none with a character as sad as Merrick. So much of his existence was based off of people using him as an attraction, to varying degrees.  :'(

9/10
A good film in nearly every regard, and the soundtrack was rockin