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abrader

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Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« on: August 22, 2007, 02:04:34 AM »
After much discussion, I think im gonna trade my 40" gaming LCD diaplay up for a 40-50" plasma 1080p display...

I have been convinced that this is what i need to truely play in HD...

What say you - worth it or no?

Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 02:08:33 AM »
Yes, good decision.  I went from a 720p plasma to a 1080p LCD which wasn't a very good decision in retrospect.  Even though I got the highest end Sony 1080P LCD, I still had to deal with many annoying issues such as backlight bleeding and diminished contrast compared to plasma.  Also, plasma is much better at displaying 480i/p than lCDs.  The only advantage that a LCD has over a plasma is the lack of glare.  In all the comparisoons I've read in A/V magazines, plasma stills comes out on top although LCD has closed the gap.  I'm going to get a Panasonic 58" 1080P plasma once it comes down a little bit more in price. 

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 02:09:29 AM »
I say yes, you should get a plasma TV and send me your LCD TV.
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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 01:00:52 PM »
TRICKS!
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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 01:09:52 PM »
going from HD CRT to HD LCD =  >:(

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 01:11:26 PM »
I lub my samsung LCD.
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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 05:25:40 PM »
I'd like a Pioneer 4280 but I decided to pay off the last of my student loans before I spend more money on electronics.  My Dell 2405 and 46" Samsung DLP will just have to get me by for a while.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 05:34:01 PM »
I'm still torn between DLP and Plasma.  My first HDTV was a Plasma and the colors were omg!  I want a 60 inch plasma 1080p, but I'll wait.  I've got two DLP's and they're doing great right now.

However, I greatly prefer plasmas to LCD.

but remember, it's WHATEVER LOOKS BEST TO YOU.  :-*

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 05:37:24 PM »
i want a plasma as well.  right now i've got a 32" aquos LCD which is decent, but the backlight sucks badly.  i just like the overall image quality of plasmas, it's closer to tube quality which doesn't enhance shitty details.  and the blacks are definitely blacker.  +1 for plasma
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Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 09:00:05 PM »
I'm still torn between DLP and Plasma.  My first HDTV was a Plasma and the colors were omg!  I want a 60 inch plasma 1080p, but I'll wait.  I've got two DLP's and they're doing great right now.

However, I greatly prefer plasmas to LCD.

but remember, it's WHATEVER LOOKS BEST TO YOU.  :-*

Mupes, the 1080p Panasonics have been getting great review.  You can get a 58" 1080p panny for 3500 to 4000 online. 
i want a plasma as well.  right now i've got a 32" aquos LCD which is decent, but the backlight sucks badly.  i just like the overall image quality of plasmas, it's closer to tube quality which doesn't enhance shitty details.  and the blacks are definitely blacker.  +1 for plasma

yeah, I was wowed by the 1080P crispness of my XBR3 and the lack of reflections, in comparison to my 720 plasma.  But after having the LCD for a couple of weeks, there was no doubt that even at 720p, the plasma had a superior picture.  Plasma has no backlighting issues and its blacks are so much richer and deeper.  I'm not even sure if LCDs will ever be capable of producing blacks as nice as plasmas. 
« Last Edit: August 22, 2007, 09:02:32 PM by Smooth Groove »

drohne

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 10:54:46 PM »
i'mo buy a plasma next year when i can get a 1080p 42 incher with true blacks for...say...$2000. panasonic have licensed pioneer's new technology. i'm getting pretty annoyed with my 32" sony lcd...i picked a bad time to buy. shit has gotten so much cheaper and better this year

Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 10:57:59 PM »
i'mo buy a plasma next year when i can get a 1080p 42 incher with true blacks for...say...$2000. panasonic have licensed pioneer's new technology. i'm getting pretty annoyed with my 32" sony lcd...i picked a bad time to buy. shit has gotten so much cheaper and better this year

You should be able to get a 50" 1080P plasma for $2000 soon. 

drohne

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2007, 11:04:26 PM »
my couch is really close to my tv -- i'd have to move things around even to accommodate a 42". the current panny 1080p 42" is really nice and shockingly cheap -- i think you can get it for like $1400 online -- but it doesn't have the true black that pioneer's new technology offers, and i think that's worth waiting for. if i buy the current panny plasma i'll just want a new one next year.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2007, 11:09:05 PM by drohne »

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2007, 12:26:35 AM »
I just bought a 42 inch pioneer 4270, it should be here in a week.  The 4280 is supposedly even better, I imagine in a year or two I will end up buying a new tv and moving this plasma into the bedroom.  If my crt wasn't on the way out in a big way, I'd wait another year as well.  The 80 series just came out and is still very inflated in price.  Good to hear that panasonic is licensing the pioneer tech, I hadn't heard that.  Apparently Pioneer is running shit in the plasma market, I'm really excited to get this tv :)  Hello current gen  :-*
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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2007, 08:21:57 AM »
I have a 42" Pioneer 4270 but I'm getting a weird flickering problem on a few pixels (usually on white backgrounds surrounded by lots of color, like the outer bars of a menu in an RPG), which is a shame, got a 1 year warranty from BB so I might have to trade it in if this continues. The TV is great, though.
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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2007, 05:31:36 PM »
So who is giving me their LCD?
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abrader

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2007, 06:59:57 AM »
im gonna wait till i can get 50" plasma for like 2K.

I spent too much money on displays in the last 12 months.

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2007, 09:46:13 AM »
Aren't "1080p" plasma displays just compatible with a 1080p video feed, but lacking a native 1920 x 1080 resolution? If so, what is the point of buying them?

You should keep your current set and wait it out a few years.

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2007, 02:39:51 PM »
Don't plasmas have a higher risk and rate of burn-in?
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2007, 02:59:48 PM »
Aren't "1080p" plasma displays just compatible with a 1080p video feed, but lacking a native 1920 x 1080 resolution? If so, what is the point of buying them?

You should keep your current set and wait it out a few years.
i have never heard anything like that. 

Don't plasmas have a higher risk and rate of burn-in?
not anymore.  i once left the main screen to a Lost dvd playing for 13 hours.  all i did was run my white screen and it disappeared. 

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2007, 04:56:36 PM »
is there even a plasma display available for consumers that has a native resolution of 1920x1080 just as LCDs do? I think that it doesn't even exists yet

so it's not real 1080p if true, it's just compatibility for 1080p feeds with a downconvertion mode to whatever the plasma's low resolution is
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 05:52:38 PM by Mondain »

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2007, 04:58:10 PM »
is there even a plasma display available for consumers that has a native resolution of 1920x1080 just as LCDs do? I think that it doesn't even exist yet

so it's not real 1080p if true, it's just compatibility for 1080p feeds with a downconvertion mode to whatever the plasma's low resolution is
do you have anything to back this up?  because i have never heard this.

Mupepe

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2007, 05:27:27 PM »
is there even a plasma display available for consumers that has a native resolution of 1920x1080 just as LCDs do? I think that it doesn't even exist yet

so it's not real 1080p if true, it's just compatibility for 1080p feeds with a downconvertion mode to whatever the plasma's low resolution is
do you have anything to back this up?  because i have never heard this.
answer please

Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2007, 05:43:25 PM »
is there even a plasma display available for consumers that has a native resolution of 1920x1080 just as LCDs do? I think that it doesn't even exist yet

so it's not real 1080p if true, it's just compatibility for 1080p feeds with a downconvertion mode to whatever the plasma's low resolution is

Take a laxative, Mondain. 

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2007, 05:48:22 PM »
uh, this is pretty damn major, because these plasmas are deceitfully advertised as 1080p displays when they are absolutely not and the consumer believes that he really acquires a 1080p HDTV

Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2007, 05:50:43 PM »
uh, this is pretty damn major, because these plasmas are deceitfully advertised as 1080p displays when they are absolutely not and the consumer believes that he really acquires a 1080p HDTV

I see that you still haven't taken the laxative.  You seriously need it. 

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2007, 05:55:59 PM »
uh, this is pretty damn major, because these plasmas are deceitfully advertised as 1080p displays when they are absolutely not and the consumer believes that he really acquires a 1080p HDTV
dude, if it's pretty major, then cite a source.  there has to be one!  hell, even tin foil 9/11 conspiracy theorists have more sources than you right now.  I'd like to know since the next TV i plan on buying will be a plasma 1080p. 

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2007, 05:56:29 PM »
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/pioneer-pdp4270hd.html

The 4270 that DJ Tet is buying has a native resolution of 1024 x 768

http://review.zdnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/pioneer-pdp-4280hd/4505-6482_16-32476902.html

The "better" 4280 is also 1024 x 768, along with 1366 x 768 for the 50 inches screen

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2007, 05:57:45 PM »
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/pioneer-pdp4270hd.html

The 4270 that DJ Tet is buying has a native resolution of 1024 x 768

http://review.zdnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/pioneer-pdp-4280hd/4505-6482_16-32476902.html

The "better" 4280 is also 1024 x 768, along with 1366 x 768 for the 50 inches screen
dj tets tv doesn't claim 1080p

TV Scan Lines 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i 


Mupepe

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2007, 05:58:57 PM »
Hell, they spell it out right here...

1080p/24Hz Compatibility for HDMI and Component

it's only compatible. 


Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2007, 06:11:55 PM »
Mondain, you dumbass.  There are LCDs with lower than 1080P resolutions that also claim to be 1080P compatible.  It's not just plasmas that do this. 




And there are true 1080P Plasmas.  This is from Panasonic's own website which specifically says the native resolution is 1920x1080.  Are you talking all this nonsense just because Sony isn't making plasmas anymore? 


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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2007, 06:50:05 PM »
I believe native plasma resolution is 768p or something queer like that.  My tv is 720p (claimed) but that is where the scaler comes in.  Since everything is scaled to 768p, I'd say the Pioneer scaler is very important.

I too am a little wary about everything being scaled too, but I figured that with any other tv there would only be one source that wasn't scaled (ie a true 720p panel would only show 720p source material without scaling it).  Since the majority of my tv watching is still SD, that made LCD a poor choice as it has the most problems displaying non-HD source material.  I also have a wii, so some of my gaming will still be at 480p unfortunately.

The way my room is set up, I don't normally sit right in front of the tv, so viewing angles came into my choice as well, and plasma dominates lcd in that area.  Combined with a much better color ratio and blacks ratio, the plasma became the overwhelming choice for me.  Plasma also supposedly does fast motion better as well, and since the majority of my HD watching will be sports, that's very important.

Ultimately, I would have preferred a 40+ inch crt, but those are becoming next to impossible to find.  I decided on the best 720p plasma panel on the market.  1080p would be nice, but as there is still a shortage of 1080p source material (videogames and tv shows) and the fact that my tv would only be 40-50 inches made 1080p a luxury I could live without.

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2007, 06:51:44 PM »
the scaling involved from 720p to 768p is not even noticeable.  It's been discussed many times.  So don't worry, buddy.



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Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2007, 06:56:11 PM »
Most 720P LCDs are 1360x768 too.  They purpopsely make it slightly bigger than 1280x720 'cause it helps with overscan issues. 

DJ_Tet

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2007, 09:34:31 PM »
the scaling involved from 720p to 768p is not even noticeable.  It's been discussed many times.  So don't worry, buddy.



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Mondain

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2007, 09:47:40 PM »
And there are true 1080P Plasmas.  This is from Panasonic's own website which specifically says the native resolution is 1920x1080.  Are you talking all this nonsense just because Sony isn't making plasmas anymore? 

WTF how much of a dumb obsessed agenda-pushing fuck do you have to be to say that? Makes no amount of sense. :lol

I saw that Panasonic plasma a while ago, if it has 1920 x 1080 of resolution and Panasonic isn't cheating somehow in its advertisement then it's probably like the first or one of the very firsts to sport it, and it's probably only possible due to its big size.

The point is that most any plasma's native resolution is significantly lower than that, and they're very often advertised as "1080p" or "1080p compatible" screens when that label is a deceitful one.

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2007, 09:51:38 PM »
http://www.abtelectronics.com/product/23868.html

What about this pioneer?

DUDE, LCD's do the same fucking thing.  it's because dumb people don't know any different and will buy it anyways.  it has nothing to do with plasmas in particular!

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« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2007, 09:52:35 PM »
and how is the phrase "1080p Compatible" deceitful??  If it can accept a 1080p signal, then it's 1080p compatible!

Smooth Groove

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2007, 09:57:47 PM »
WTF how much of a dumb obsessed agenda-pushing fuck do you have to be to say that? Makes no amount of sense. :lol


er, it's the only reason to explain why you're so full of shit.  Like Mupepe said, lots of non-1080P LCDs advertise themselves as being 1080P compatible too because they can downscale 1080P signals.  I've seen lots of them when I was in Japan.  And it's been common knowledge, since a year ago, that there were going to be 1080P plasmas.  What's worse than being ignorant is continuing to be ignorant after people have already notified you that you're wrong. 

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2007, 10:26:09 PM »
it's really nothing when compared to the LCD situation, up to recently there were basically no full 1080p plasmas whereas many of them advertised themselves as being "1080p" display, and LCD HDTVs in full-fledged 1080p have been broadly available for ages; it also seems to apply strictly to the biggest sets, whereas you can get legit 1080p LCDs with a real 1920 x 1080 rez that are much smaller in size
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 10:28:29 PM by Mondain »

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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2007, 10:30:32 PM »
so basically you went from saying that true 1080p plasmas don't exist to saying that they lie about their resolution and now you're saying that they exist but they've only come out recently?  hmmm


where the fuck is that backpedalling gif from OA when you need it?

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Re: Im thinking of going from LCD to plasma
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2007, 10:36:05 PM »
I said that I thought that they didn't even exist yet for the consumers to purchase at their average electronics stores; mostly I've not followed the AV scene intensively these last few weeks/months and have seen folks discussing latest plasmas and not finding a genuine 1080p model yet among the newly announced plasmas from famous manufacturers, but it was clear that they were coming eventually

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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2007, 11:28:12 PM »
From my research it appeared that 1080p plasma screens were still very new to market (1 year and newer) and still very cost prohibitive.  The next generation of Pioneer tvs aren't even 1080p, and are nearly $3k for the 42 inch model.

Fuck expensive.  I imagine in 2-3 years when I buy another tv that the pioneer plasma 1080ps will be affordable as will the 1080p LED tvs. 
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