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http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117934519.html?categoryid=1023&cs=1

i'm honestly kinda positive on mp3 now given tvc's glowing review, but MAN i love it when bombs like this get dropped on gaf. bobobobobobo the wii-tards squeal, bioshock is winning the Battle of Gamerankings!

good times, good times

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2007, 09:39:28 PM »
I saw some people playing it at lunch today and was strangely intrigued
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 09:47:55 PM »
He's right about the story.  It does sound fuk distinguished mentally-challenged but most people probably didn't even know what the hell MP1&2 were about anyway, 'cause of all the crap that had to be read in order to know what's going on.

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 09:50:03 PM »
hell, I played MP1 and scanned everything and I still have no idea what the game was about.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 09:55:58 PM »
"Metroid Prime 3" is also difficult. It has the audacity to say, "Welcome to this strange place. Now go figure it out."

well gaf is making too much about it anyone who writes this about a metroid game doesn't get the overall gameplay of it.  It's fine if he doesn't like exploration and thinking for himself in games but he should at least be able to apprietate what it does. 

I'ts like if he were to say "Bioshock is hard.  It gives me so many choices on how to upgrade my self but has the audacity to then say make your own decision; I have been hindered by choice!" 


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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2007, 10:02:13 PM »
Bioshock doesn't give you any choices about how you upgrade yourself tho
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2007, 10:02:27 PM »
Guess I'm buying a Wii
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2007, 10:05:48 PM »
Bioshock doesn't give you any choices about how you upgrade yourself tho

what?
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2007, 10:07:52 PM »
Bioshock doesn't give you any choices about how you upgrade yourself tho

I haven't playing it yet so then what do you spend your magic rapture substance, what ever it's called, on?  I thought the upgrade system would be simulator to dues ex. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2007, 10:08:44 PM »
"Metroid Prime 3" is also difficult. It has the audacity to say, "Welcome to this strange place. Now go figure it out."

well gaf is making too much about it anyone who writes this about a metroid game doesn't get the overall gameplay of it.  It's fine if he doesn't like exploration and thinking for himself in games but he should at least be able to apprietate what it does. 

I'ts like if he were to say "Bioshock is hard.  It gives me so many choices on how to upgrade my self but has the audacity to then say make your own decision; I have been hindered by choice!" 




tom chick probably knows far more about games than you
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 10:09:01 PM »
simulator :lol

you mean similar
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2007, 10:09:21 PM »
Bioshock doesn't give you any choices about how you upgrade yourself tho

what?

sorry if the REAL TALK offended your sensibility
Bioshock gives you the choice to upgrade or the choice not to upgrade
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2007, 10:11:43 PM »
and it's deus not "dues"

coincidentally, tom chick also hated deus ex
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 10:12:15 PM »
I didn't hate Deus Ex.

but I've tried to beat it 3 times and each time I make it like 15 hours in before fading away out of boredom.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 10:13:06 PM »
Bioshock doesn't give you any choices about how you upgrade yourself tho

what?

sorry if the REAL TALK offended your sensibility
Bioshock gives you the choice to upgrade or the choice not to upgrade


I'm so confused.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2007, 10:13:06 PM »
simulator :lol

you mean similar

I clicked on the firefox red lines with out reading them again  :-[

"Metroid Prime 3" is also difficult. It has the audacity to say, "Welcome to this strange place. Now go figure it out."

well gaf is making too much about it anyone who writes this about a metroid game doesn't get the overall gameplay of it.  It's fine if he doesn't like exploration and thinking for himself in games but he should at least be able to apprietate what it does. 

I'ts like if he were to say "Bioshock is hard.  It gives me so many choices on how to upgrade my self but has the audacity to then say make your own decision; I have been hindered by choice!" 




tom chick probably knows far more about games than you

Then he must be a really bad writer as that comment didn't express any of that knowledge!   

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2007, 10:13:38 PM »
tom chick is also a better writer than you, ninthing
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2007, 10:15:28 PM »
tom chick is also a better writer than you, ninthing

Thats not saying much, grandpa. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2007, 10:15:37 PM »
tom chick is also a better writer than you, ninthing

Can't he be a really bad writer while still being a better writer than Father Mike?

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2007, 10:15:53 PM »
yes :)
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2007, 10:30:10 PM »
Jesus, Tom Chick is completely insane.  Two points.

1) He says the OPPOSITE of what many reviews are saying.  Many reviews ding it for being too easy--he dings it for being too hard!  That's patently not true, as the game is significantly easier than the previous 2 entries.  It is the only really serious gameplay flaw that the game has.  Similarly, he calls the boss fights lame, when other sources (even the "negative" Gamespot review) cite them as the best parts.  It's like he got shipped the special bizarro version of the game.

2)Similarly, he also dings Metroid for being Metroid: tossing the player into a strange environment with a vague goal and letting them figure out what the heck they are supposed to be doing.  Is he totally unfamiliar with the franchise?

3) It also seems like he is writing this for the "nongamer mom that just got a Wii audience."  Note that I am not even sure if this audience exists in reality, but the last paragraph shows that Tom's writing for some audience that's not close to core gamer:

"Too much of the time, though, "Metroid Prime 3" is more tedious than epic. This is particularly true of the boss battles, which are exhaustive affairs requiring dedication, patience, and most importantly, a familiarity with the vocabulary of videogames: double jumping, circle strafing, shooting weak points for massive damage, etc. Those who previously used the Wii only for party games will need a 13 year-old boy to explain it all."

As usual, folks, this isn't a Tom Chick review based on reality.  He gets everything backwards and wrong (more than usual, even), including wasting too much ink on the lame, but ultimately superficial and unimportant story.  Remember, folks, he hates Deus Ex.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2007, 10:33:25 PM »
and he called kirby canvas curse 2005's goty
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2007, 10:38:13 PM »
and he called kirby canvas curse 2005's goty

clearly he didn't play Yoshi touch and go. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2007, 10:39:34 PM »
The piece seems to say "It's not tomagatchi and it's not Halofpsmindlessness" which, if you have ze scruples, is all good news.

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2007, 10:41:12 PM »
and he called kirby canvas curse 2005's goty

Oh, well then in that case, the man is pure genius.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2007, 10:48:05 PM »
it's nice to see chick's 'outsider' opinion, at least relative to incurious game journos with no eyes for anything and nintendo in their blood -- i was particularly glad to see him pick on all the phozon chozo psuedoscience pseudomyth nonsense that litters metroid prime's scan logs. there are gafers who insist that this garbage is the next step in game storytelling. oh wait, i think that was just etiolate, who's going to show up in this thread if he hasn't already

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2007, 10:51:23 PM »
I don't think anyone logical actually believes that scanning and reading the information is the next step in storytelling.  I just think that some people just think it's a cool, different way of doing things that not many other games do as well or at all.  I thought the lore from the first Prime was really quite interesting and well-written, but yeah, its a bit boring and reading all the time during a videogame is...less than desirable.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2007, 10:54:31 PM »
"Chozo" is Japanese for "bird statue." lore so deep
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2007, 11:40:30 PM »
The piece seems to say "It's not tomagatchi and it's not Halofpsmindlessness" which, if you have ze scruples, is all good news.

You know, your take on Halo is complete nonsense shittitude.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2007, 12:33:05 AM »
Oh snap.  MP3 just got a 8.5 from gamespot.  I can't wait for the fanboys to dig up his personal and professional history. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2007, 12:34:10 AM »
Tom Chick hated AoEIII just cause it initially lacked Attack Move and he gave Azurik like a B+

Also, whats wrong with an 8.5, gamespots been harsher on scores so 8.5 says a lot.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2007, 12:36:40 AM »
Tom Chick hated AoEIII just cause it initially lacked Attack Move and he gave Azurik like a B+

Also, whats wrong with an 8.5, gamespots been harsher on scores so 8.5 says a lot.

A 8.9 from GS is how I found out from GAF that Jeff Gerstmann is a fat, stupid loser. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2007, 12:38:35 AM »
oh teh noes 8.9 lol
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2007, 12:41:24 AM »
Oh snap.  MP3 just got a 8.5 from gamespot.  I can't wait for the fanboys to dig up his personal and professional history. 

You kinda missed it already.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2007, 12:56:20 AM »
oh yeah, i forgot about tom chick's bullshit aoe3 review.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2007, 01:03:59 AM »
The whole deal with the Metroid and Warhawk review scores is that the other console factions on GAF are looking for an answer to Bioshock. That's why there's such a total meltdown on both games from some fanboys over there even with good reviews of the games.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2007, 01:06:10 AM »
The whole deal with the Metroid and Warhawk review scores is that the other console factions on GAF are looking for an answer to Bioshock. That's why there's such a total meltdown on both games from some fanboys over there even with good reviews of the games.

You're probably right.  I've also noticed a large amount of PS3 fanboys who suddenly became "hardcore PC gamers" that are playing Bioshcok on their PCs.  It's funny how just a few months ago those same guys were talking about the unprecedented power of Cell and Blu-ray.

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2007, 01:06:35 AM »
hehe simulator. why did you need a spellcheck for similar?

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2007, 01:13:27 AM »
i'm pretty sure fanboys would melt down over review scores before there was any such thing as bioshock

nintendo fanboys have got their permanent sense of entitlement. in their minds the big new nintendo game has an a priori claim to tens and goty awards, and for the most part reviewers respect that claim -- but look out when somebody breaks rank. it eventually comes out when a nintendo game isn't up to snuff...but it always takes time. i wish i could respect gerstmann's lowish scores for overrated nintendo games, but his review text is as damnably imperceptive as everybody else's

sony fanboys are just desperate for validation at this point -- i don't think the difference between an eight and a nine really influences anybody's thinking about a game, but damn it they need ammo for console advocacy, and neither the reviewers nor the sales charts will oblige them

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2007, 01:14:04 AM »
"Chozo" is Japanese for "bird statue." lore so deep

someone just got pwned somewhere
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2007, 01:14:28 AM »
Do you know what "Cholo" means, mang?
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2007, 01:16:58 AM »
hehe simulator. why did you need a spellcheck for similar?

Because I miss typed it ...or miss spelled it.  :-[

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2007, 01:19:26 AM »
Do you know what "Cholo" means, mang?

they talk about it in Assault on Precinct 13, that is all I know
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2007, 01:20:53 AM »
i wish i could respect gerstmann's lowish scores for overrated nintendo games, but his review text is as damnably imperceptive as everybody else's

Yep, yep. Case in point, with TP I didn't have an issue with the score (despite being lower than what I thought any major outlet would have given it), but the review itself was contradicting and inconsistent.

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2007, 01:54:41 AM »
Gerstmann gives games the right scores...largely...for all the wrong reasons. He happens to stumble haphazardly onto the proper score.

That's generally the opposite of what I find at IGN, who has generally thorough reviews that just break down whenever they attempt to attach a score to their words. This is all relative, of course. Not like IGN has the ultimate truth and is ace at expressing it.

Which is why scores should go bye bye.

I'd like 1up's reviews more if some of the characters there didn't pretend to be literal characters.
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2007, 02:05:22 AM »
At least Gerstmann is honest and has no system-wars agenda, which is enough to make him better than a majority of the internet reviewers. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2007, 02:14:23 AM »
EGM reviews are trash. I remember Izuna got reviewed by someone who hated rogue-likes. WELL WHAT IF SOMEONE WHO LIKES THEM IS INTERESTED IN THE GAME YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS JESUS H CHRIST!
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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2007, 02:18:02 AM »
At least Gerstmann is honest and has no system-wars agenda, which is enough to make him better than a majority of the internet reviewers. 

Isn't he the fat one?  Those people are not to be trusted; their opinion sways with the prospect of receiving muffin baskets and doughnut boxes. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2007, 02:18:35 AM »
Ryan Davis is hotter...
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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2007, 02:20:15 AM »
gerstmann's agenda is the proselytization of 'urban' themes in videogames. only through graffiti, gangstas, and bad licensed soundtracks shall fat white gamers be saved

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2007, 02:47:20 AM »
I'm glad I'm not a fucking nongamer given the task to write a review like this fucker.

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2007, 03:09:56 AM »
so far MP3 does seem to have a lot of those irritating "LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD" enigmas

that's what kills modern 3D gaming: constantly having to scour every insignificant detail in the environment to figure out how to merit another 20 minutes of carefree entertainment, and then the whole process starts all over again countless times over the course of the 20 hours... the game is still great IMO but this element is such a friggin' pain in the butt... fuck I'm stuck on the first alien planet and roamed around some place for thirty minutes before being fed up and shutting off the Wii
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2007, 04:00:20 AM »
so far MP3 does seem to have a lot of those irritating "LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD" enigmas

that's what kills modern 3D gaming: constantly having to scour every insignificant detail in the environment to figure out how to merit another 20 minutes of carefree entertainment, and then the whole process starts all over again countless times over the course of the 20 hours... the game is still great IMO but this element is such a friggin' pain in the butt... fuck I'm stuck on the first alien planet and roamed around some place for thirty minutes before being fed up and shutting off the Wii

only it was the same with super metroid, and the original before that. 

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2007, 04:24:06 AM »
it's a lot more tedious to do these things in 3D, as 2D environments are simple and incredibly easy to assess at first sight, not to mention a lot quicker to run through

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« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2007, 07:12:24 AM »
THPS3: 10

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2007, 08:31:22 AM »
gerstmann's agenda is the proselytization of 'urban' themes in videogames. only through graffiti, gangstas, and bad licensed soundtracks shall fat white gamers be saved

Thankfully, urban themes seem to be largely going the way of the dodo in this gen... hopefully...
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2007, 09:12:05 AM »
You have to realise that Variety's review is for regular people; and i can guarantee you that housewives wont like mp3.

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« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2007, 09:31:09 AM »
how can you hate canvas curse
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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2007, 03:52:20 PM »
The piece seems to say "It's not tomagatchi and it's not Halofpsmindlessness" which, if you have ze scruples, is all good news.

You know, your take on Halo is complete nonsense shittitude.

explain and its relevance to this

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Re: tom chick says metroid prime 3 is an inscrutable mess; gaftards shriek
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2007, 03:56:22 PM »
The piece seems to say "It's not tomagatchi and it's not Halofpsmindlessness" which, if you have ze scruples, is all good news.

You know, your take on Halo is complete nonsense shittitude.

explain and its relevance to this

There's no particular relevance, other than you attached "halo" to "mindlessness," which is not a fair characterization of Halo.
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