Author Topic: After thinking about it, Ocarina of Time was clearly 10 years too early (Read 5756 times)

Oblivion · « **on:** September 04, 2007, 10:24:38 PM »

Seriously, if the best complaints that people can come up with (and I'm talking about legitimate ones, none of this 'bu bu bu too many dungeons hurt my feelings :'( ' crap that more than a few people have spewed in the past) are graphical issues and Hyrule Field not having a few extra enemies, well then it's quite the testament to OoT's immaculate design, isn't it?

That's why I think instead of making an all new Zelda, Nintendo should just re-make OoT and fix those one or two little issues. For 2 reasons:

1. Come on, even Nintendo wouldn't be able to mess up some simple instructions like these.
2. At least those incompetent apes Nintendo has doing the Zelda music nowadays can't fuck up completely since they don't need to change the compositions, just remix/rearrange it.

If the game was done on something like the 360 (

) even the most jaded of you fegs wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #1 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:26:58 PM »

bs. the legitimate complaints outside of the awful frame rate and crappy midi instrumentation transcend hardware.

1) hyrule field is a circular justification for epona and vice versa. it is obnoxious and an utterly boring waste of space.
2) the water dungeon forces obscene amounts of menu-driven item swapping to navigate
3) the volvagia battle is ugly and stupid and easy and bad

that nets it an 8/10 in my book

demi · « **Reply #2 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:27:32 PM »

I would play anything if it had achievements. Bring on Zelda!

Oblivion · « **Reply #3 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:34:47 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 04, 2007, 10:26:58 PM

2) the water dungeon forces obscene amounts of menu-driven item swapping to navigate
3) the volvagia battle is ugly and stupid and easy and bad

2. They could map the boots the way they did in TP (though I don't know why they didn't do that)
3. This is the first complaint I've heard about the Volvagia battle. I got killed a lot when I first tried.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #4 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:37:15 PM »

it was whack-a-mole with dmc's camera at 10 fps

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #5 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:45:25 PM »

Majora's Mask is better

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #6 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:46:09 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on September 04, 2007, 10:45:25 PM

Majora's Mask is better

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #7 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:51:07 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on September 04, 2007, 10:45:25 PM

Majora's Mask is better

Real Talk is a talk tat is real

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #8 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:52:33 PM »

Majora's Mask

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #9 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:53:34 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on September 04, 2007, 10:52:33 PM

Majora's Mask

Oh come on man, why must you hate greatness

demi · « **Reply #10 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:54:57 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on September 04, 2007, 10:52:33 PM

Majora's Mask

No wonder you're gay

And single

I hope you enjoy jerking off tonight

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:55:41 PM »

You don't have to hope.

demi · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:57:34 PM »

Then I won't act surprised when I hear you crying!

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:58:29 PM »

It's because you declined my friend request.

:'(

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2007, 11:14:26 PM »

i still

you, cajole

Mupepe · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2007, 11:18:19 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on September 04, 2007, 10:45:25 PM

Majora's Mask is better

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2007, 11:34:30 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 04, 2007, 11:14:26 PM

i still you, cajole

At least someone does.

Oblivion · « **Reply #17 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:03:46 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 04, 2007, 10:46:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 04, 2007, 10:45:25 PM
Majora's Mask is better

What is this, you lambast OoT for a few minor things (which even if you're right on the last 2 points, they still don't get in the way of the overall game), and MM, possibly the most anti Zelda of them all is being praised?! Wtf mate? :'(

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #18 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:04:48 AM »

MM does what it set out to do far better than OoT did what it set out to do. NUFF SAID

demi · « **Reply #19 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:05:58 AM »

What makes it anti-Zelda, as if there were some FORMULA

Oblivion · « **Reply #20 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:07:59 AM »

What exactly does it do far better than OoT actually?

Dungeons? Nope.
Music? Nope.
Graphics? Textures were somewhat better, but framerate was even worse, so nope.
Story? I'm pretty sure you don't give a damn about story in Zeldas, so that's a nope.

The only legitimate thing it does better is mini games...but doesn't that go against all the Wii hatred?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #21 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:10:40 AM »

frame rate was better, dungeons were better (stone tower

), and it had a severe, controlled focus unlike oot, which ambled at times -- and yes, it had a vastly more engaging polyglot story

demi · « **Reply #22 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:11:11 AM »

You're telling me Stone Tower isn't cool?

You telling me you care more about Zelda than the moon crashing down and annihilating the entire world?

Oblivion, at least you've got your looks going for you. I think.

Oblivion · « **Reply #23 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:14:51 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 05, 2007, 01:10:40 AM

frame rate was better

Zuh? I hear a lot of people complaining about MM being FAR worse in this aspect. Which version did you play?

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dungeons were better (stone tower )

One (albeit kickass) dungeon does not a good Zelda make.

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and it had a severe, controlled focus unlike oot, which ambled at times -- and yes, it had a vastly more engaging polyglot story

Damn, that's..pretty gay. I loved you once, drinky. :'(

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You're telling me Stone Tower isn't cool?

You telling me you care more about Zelda than the moon crashing down and annihilating the entire world?

Stone Tower rocks, and the plot was interesting, HOWEVER I think the execution was lacking.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #24 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:17:14 AM »

the n64 version (with ram expansion). oot ran at 15 fps. mm was 20.

Oblivion · « **Reply #25 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:20:01 AM »

Well, their framerates were reversed on the Zelda collector's disc. So much for that!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #26 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:20:48 AM »

that's 'cuz mm on the collector's disc had shit emulation

brawndolicious · « **Reply #27 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:33:47 AM »

the volvagia battle for the time wasn't ugly.

it was easy but I think the water temple boss was easier.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #28 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:36:46 AM »

I remembered emulating Zelda 64 on the Voodoo 2 w/no slowdown at 1024x768. It looked pretty sweet.

demi · « **Reply #29 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:38:55 AM »

Oblivion is just mad he didn't figure out the time reversal song

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #30 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:43:19 AM »

MM is way more focused. OoT is just a bunch of dumb shit Miyamoto's interns made up and strung together like so much spaghetti universe. MM is a COMPLETE WORLD. The gameplay delivers, better dungeons, OCD scheduling...wait, how come you like Majora's but not Persona 3??

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #31 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:45:17 AM »

i wasn't a middle manager yet?

Oblivion · « **Reply #32 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:52:35 AM »

Quote from: demi on September 05, 2007, 01:38:55 AM

Oblivion is just mad he didn't figure out the time reversal song

I guess I should mention that probably my most irritating issue about the game was the save system.

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on September 05, 2007, 01:43:19 AM

MM is way more focused. OoT is just a bunch of dumb shit Miyamoto's interns made up and strung together like so much spaghetti universe. MM is a COMPLETE WORLD.

Okay, fine I'll play along even though I'm sure some of you could care less about the story.

MM is way more focused? Okay, fine. But I suppose that comes with being a much smaller game, it's kinda hard to trail off or whatever.

I suppose we'll differ with which one is more of a COMPLETE WORLD as well, considering OoT has more locales, and does a pretty good job of keeping everything connected (So I don't know where this sphagetti universe malarky is coming from).

Sort of like with TP, MM's ending is wholly unsatisfying because 1) the boss battle with Majora is pretty easy and 2) His constant moonwalking was rather irritating and felt out of place IMO, of course.

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better dungeons

And once more, it has ONE dungeon that's arguably better than all of OoT's, but the others are pretty meh.

demi · « **Reply #33 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:55:58 AM »

All it needs is one dungeon, really.

Oblivion · « **Reply #34 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:57:54 AM »

demi, out of curiosity, how many Zeldas have you played and how would you rank them?

demi · « **Reply #35 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:00:29 AM »

I've played them all except Twilight Princess and those CD-i ones (for technicality's sake)

I'd go

Majora's Mask -> GBC -> Link's Awakening -> GBA -> Wind Waker -> Ocarina of Time -> Zelda -> Adventure of Link

Am I missing any?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #36 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:01:52 AM »

minish cap and phantom hourglass

demi · « **Reply #37 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:02:34 AM »

Minish Cap is labeled as GBA

Phantom Hourglass isn't here yet!

Oblivion · « **Reply #38 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:05:30 AM »

Yeah, was gonna mention MC but then I noticed the GBA.

But anyway you guys suck.

Still, if it's any consolation, I have no disputes over you guys ranking Oracles/LA up there.

demi · « **Reply #39 on:** September 05, 2007, 02:07:39 AM »

If you give me a handy in LA, I'll admit Ocarina is an amazing game.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #40 on:** September 05, 2007, 07:22:12 AM »

Majora's Mask > Oracle Games > Twilight Princess > Ocarina of Time > Minish Cap > Link's Awakening > Wind Waker > Link to the Past> Zelda 1 > Zelda 2

Haven't played PH yet

Error2k4 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 05, 2007, 07:37:03 AM »

Majora's Mask

tiesto · « **Reply #42 on:** September 05, 2007, 08:39:46 AM »

MM and PH are the only Zelda games I have yet to play...

bagofeyes · « **Reply #43 on:** September 05, 2007, 12:08:18 PM »

PH is pretty boring and annoying. Fuck touchscreen games man.

y2kev · « **Reply #44 on:** September 05, 2007, 12:23:11 PM »

I LOVED Majora's scenario, and it was pretty dark considering Nintendo's general stance on that stuff at the time. Some of the scenes in that game are very interesting, and fuck the dungeons, MM's meat is in the side quests, which are all way more fulfilling and intriguing.

The time system was really...uh, ahead of its time I guess. Nintendo has yet to put that kind of a sense of urgency back into a Zelda.

demi · « **Reply #45 on:** September 05, 2007, 12:55:58 PM »

Crap I didn't put in SNES

New list

Majora's Mask -> GBC -> SNES -> Link's Awakening -> GBA -> Wind Waker -> Ocarina of Time -> Zelda -> Adventure of Link

T234 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 05, 2007, 01:10:33 PM »

BISH WAS WRONG YOU DON'T RUN ON ANYTHING BUT NOSTALGIA

Oblivion · « **Reply #47 on:** September 05, 2007, 09:50:51 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on September 05, 2007, 12:23:11 PM

The time system was really...uh, ahead of its time I guess. Nintendo has yet to put that kind of a sense of urgency back into a Zelda.

No, it wasn't ahead of it's time, it was just stupid. Took away the whole aspect of exploring the overworld on your own time.

Anyway, judging by some of the responses here, it seems you guys would love MM's more refined incarnation, without the whole dungeon bs to clutter up the fun...

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demi · « **Reply #48 on:** September 05, 2007, 09:52:41 PM »

And if we wanted a better Animal Crossing, we would play Harvest Moon.

Don't be dumb.

Prost · « **Reply #49 on:** September 05, 2007, 10:28:59 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 04, 2007, 10:26:58 PM

bs. the legitimate complaints outside of the awful frame rate and crappy midi instrumentation transcend hardware.

1) hyrule field is a circular justification for epona and vice versa. it is obnoxious and an utterly boring waste of space.
2) the water dungeon forces obscene amounts of menu-driven item swapping to navigate
3) the volvagia battle is ugly and stupid and easy and bad

that nets it an 8/10 in my book

had fun puzzles for its time. and finding all the skultulas was fun.

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Author Topic: After thinking about it, Ocarina of Time was clearly 10 years too early (Read 5756 times)