Heavenly Sword: I should have bought Warhawk.

[drohne]

what finally killed bioshock for me was the finger tango you end up dancing whenever the fights get involved. it just turns into a ridiculous mess of reloading animations and shooting-up animations and various selection procedures. i think they initially planned to let you 'dual wield' a plasmid and a weapon -- that would've been much better, at whatever cost to visual realism

game reviewers don't seem to understand that a game can be really good in some ways and really bad in others -- having rightly praised bioshock's world design and storytelling, they go on to parrot the absurd pr assertion that it's a 'kick ass shooter' besides. and then they tell us how much they liked the hacking minigame. yeah.

[MrAngryFace]

I dunno guys, this is starting to sound like some WEIRD ass nitpicking on bioshock and weird 'we just do' applejacks apologism for Heavenly Sword

[Van Cruncheon]

nah, it's more of a "game reviewers are bad at critical analysis" thang.

[Smooth Groove]

nah, it's more of a "game reviewers are bad at critical analysis" thang.

Game reviewers already think too highly of themselves.  I don't want them to start writing as if they were PHD's. 

[Vizzys]

the hacking minigame is easy

id say it gets hard around ryans office, that when I noticed it was ramping up in difficulty

but its optional and should not detract from the games score

[Smooth Groove]

Yeah, hacking is not a big deal.  You can just blow up most cameras/turrents with an electrical buck or two.  Freezing the machines also makes hacking much easier.  Apparently many people weren't aware of freezing before hacking. 

[TVC15]

what finally killed bioshock for me was the finger tango you end up dancing whenever the fights get involved. it just turns into a ridiculous mess of reloading animations and shooting-up animations and various selection procedures. i think they initially planned to let you 'dual wield' a plasmid and a weapon -- that would've been much better, at whatever cost to visual realism

I agree on that, too.  I like what I played of Bioshock on the PC because hotkeys alleviate the switching problem, somewhat.  Unfortunately, I feel more compelled to play on the 360 because of lol achievements and lol no waiting for patches.  Go gaming!

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I dunno guys, this is starting to sound like some WEIRD ass nitpicking on bioshock and weird 'we just do' applejacks apologism for Heavenly Sword

I don't think there's apologism in either case.  Both games have good and bad elements, just in different places.  Bioshock is definitely the better game all around, and a better value.

[Smooth Groove]

I agree on that, too.  I like what I played of Bioshock on the PC because hotkeys alleviate the switching problem, somewhat.  Unfortunately, I feel more compelled to play on the 360 because of lol achievements and lol no waiting for patches.  Go gaming!

How do you feel about losing the temporary pause with KB/M while switching weapons/plasmids?  I beat Bioshock the 1st time w/a joypad because I wanted rumble and analog movement.  It was kinda hard to play it again with a kb/m, even with the increased precision, because I was used to having time to switch my weapons.   

[TVC15]

I agree on that, too.  I like what I played of Bioshock on the PC because hotkeys alleviate the switching problem, somewhat.  Unfortunately, I feel more compelled to play on the 360 because of lol achievements and lol no waiting for patches.  Go gaming!

How do you feel about losing the temporary pause with KB/M while switching weapons/plasmids?  I beat Bioshock the 1st time w/a joypad because I wanted rumble and analog movement.  It was kinda hard to play it again with a kb/m, even with the increased precision, because I was used to having time to switch my weapons.  

I didn't even think of that.  Yeah, that's kinda lame.  I can't really spin that as a fair tradeoff.  To be honest, though, I didn't even know about holding down the switch buttons to pause until I had killed the doctor in the second level.

[drohne]

my problem with the hacking minigame is not 'it's hard' -- my problem with the hacking minigame is WHY

and the whole thing probably is a bit applejacks. there's no defensible reason to like edf better than bioshock, but i like edf vastly better than bioshock, and if i had to produce an explanation it'd probably be something like 'hectors lean over when you shoot them and big daddies don't'

[demi]

BioShock isn't even Hard at any point. Nuubs

[bork]

How do you do air combos?  It says to "waggle" the controller, but nothing seems to happen.

[Smooth Groove]

How do you do air combos?  It says to "waggle" the controller, but nothing seems to happen.

I believe you move the controller upwards but it's probably easier to just switch off waggling for aerial combos.  You just press X to jump in the air once motion controls are turned off for combat. 

[MrAngryFace]

I dunno guys, this honeymoon --> retroactive nitpicking is kinda why I dont go to GAF anymore. OMG GAME OF THE YEAR *2 weeks later* NO ITS NOT CUZ I HAVE TO PRESS TEH BUTTONS. Can a game just be enjoyed in the moment and left the fuck alone afterwards? It seems like opinions towards older games shift only to work for opinions on more current games?

[Van Cruncheon]

nothing wrong with discussing what works and what doesn't when there isn't an agenda. love-ins aren't exactly interesting, either; they're just as polarizing.

[MrAngryFace]

I see an agenda with everyone, and for good reason.

[Van Cruncheon]

Well, an agenda that isn't LOLZ SYSTEM WARS, which is GAF's problem. People *can* legitimately like things and have strong first impressions that diminish over time and experience.

[MrAngryFace]

The stuff here is just as see-saw as GAF.

[TVC15]

Hey, I've always been on edge about Bioshock, since its release (my eyes were glossed over on day one, and by the demo, though).  I just kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to interrupt the love-in, and didn't feel like formulating my thoughts ona  game I hadn't yet given a fair shake.  For what it's worth, I still haven't, but I don't feel all that compelled to go back at the moment.

[Fragamemnon]

Hey, I've always been on edge about Bioshock, since its release (my eyes were glossed over on day one, and by the demo, though).  I just kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to interrupt the love-in, and didn't feel like formulating my thoughts ona  game I hadn't yet given a fair shake.  For what it's worth, I still haven't, but I don't feel all that compelled to go back at the moment.

Pick it up and try it again six months when you're bored and want something different to play. A game can be fuck awesome but if you're not in the mood for it, it's never going to click.

[Van Cruncheon]

yup, exactly. i'm holding off on bioshock until i get this tb loot and jrpg pair of monkeys off my back.

[Mr. Gundam]

My copy came on Saturday, but I didn't have time to sit down with it until today. I'm in the camp with drohne and TVC, in that I'm actually having a fun with it. It has its flaws, but they're not game ruining like Lair.

[Smooth Groove]

yup, exactly. i'm holding off on bioshock until i get this tb loot and jrpg pair of monkeys off my back.

You reviewed Bioshock even before reaching Fort Frolic.  WTF, that was by far the best level in the game.

[Van Cruncheon]

when did i review it? those were first impressions -- the scores are there to mock pro reviewers, who probably spend about as much time with the games.

[TVC15]

Hey, I've always been on edge about Bioshock, since its release (my eyes were glossed over on day one, and by the demo, though).  I just kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to interrupt the love-in, and didn't feel like formulating my thoughts ona  game I hadn't yet given a fair shake.  For what it's worth, I still haven't, but I don't feel all that compelled to go back at the moment.

Pick it up and try it again six months when you're bored and want something different to play. A game can be fuck awesome but if you're not in the mood for it, it's never going to click.

This is what I plan on doing, probably with the PC version.  I tried my best to stay away from the hype, but it was too tempting when things reached fever pitch, after the demo and during the early leak.

[Smooth Groove]

when did i review it? those were first impressions -- the scores are there to mock pro reviewers, who probably spend about as much time with the games.

ok, then. I thought your quicky scores were final. 

[MrAngryFace]

I think im gonna trade HS in for all the DBZ fighting games.

[Smooth Groove]

I think im gonna trade HS in for all the DBZ fighting games.

Don't you get like $30-35 for a brand new game at gamestop?  Ouch. 

[MrAngryFace]

I bought it knowing full well I probably wouldnt like it. I gave it my 30 minute fair shake and called it good. I have way too many other games I need to finish to latch on to one that cant snag me in a half hour.

[Smooth Groove]

I bought it knowing full well I probably wouldnt like it. I gave it my 30 minute fair shake and called it good. I have way too many other games I need to finish to latch on to one that cant snag me in a half hour.

Actually you called it a turd.   lol

[MrAngryFace]

thats not quite what I meant but good job keeping it going!

[bork]

I dunno guys, this honeymoon --> retroactive nitpicking is kinda why I dont go to GAF anymore. OMG GAME OF THE YEAR *2 weeks later* NO ITS NOT CUZ I HAVE TO PRESS TEH BUTTONS. Can a game just be enjoyed in the moment and left the fuck alone afterwards? It seems like opinions towards older games shift only to work for opinions on more current games?

 

I bought it knowing full well I probably wouldnt like it. I gave it my 30 minute fair shake and called it good. I have way too many other games I need to finish to latch on to one that cant snag me in a half hour.

Damn dude why did you buy this game?

[MrAngryFace]

Because I was giving it a chance, I was "ok" with the game during the combat, but dumb mini-game segments are the EXACT reason I stopped buying Sly Cooper titles.

[Matlock]

the fighting is certainly deeper than gow's. it doesn't approach the fluidity of dmc or ninja gaiden, but it does its own thing really well -- the feeling of poking at defenses and then choosing your moves accordingly reminds me of vf, though this is obviously much simpler. and the counter mechanic just makes the game for me. that and the way they've set up the scoring. the technical execution is all over the place, and at its worst it does have that minigame feel that prole mentioned, but it's just really fun at bottom. i can't say that about many games i've played this year -- edf, motorstorm, lost planet (which xbots love to throw under the bus for some reason). man, halo and mass effect had better rock my world, or i'm going to have a wacky contrarian goty list. i'll have to change my name to 'matlock'

psi-ops = goty

[demi]

You totally searched for your name. What a cigarillo.

[T234]

I like rengoku 2.

Also, how in the fuck are you supposed to beat that GIANT boss that comes after the boss of the stage with the rails and shit on the ground? I die in 7 seconds every time.