ASS-FACED MONSTERS: HELP ME SET UP TV

[TVC15]

What do I have to do to set up my PS3 and 360?  Do I just slide the 360 component cable switch to HD and plug it in?  Any changes at dashboard?  What about with PS3 and the HDMI cable?

[MrAngryFace]

Component will do 480p by default on your 360 then you have to go onto the dashboard and enable 720p or 1080p under system settings. iirc

PS3 will also do 480p by default and you just change it in settings. no big.

[bluemax]

I'm pretty sure you plug the 360 component cables in, slide it to HD and it auto detects from there. If not you can go to the settings tab and there's only like 3-4 really obvious options to choose from under visual settings.

[Van Cruncheon]

what maf said. they both default to 480p and you need to go into their respective dashboards and set 720p.

[TVC15]

Do all 360 and PS3 games support 720p?

[TakingBackSunday]

Do all 360 and PS3 games support 720p?

For the most part, I'm pretty sure, yeah.  There might be like one weird one that doesn't, but you shouldn't worry.

[TVC15]

Do all 360 and PS3 games support 720p?

For the most part, I'm pretty sure, yeah.  There might be like one weird one that doesn't, but you shouldn't worry.

Cool, I'm pretty sure 360 games have to as a matter of certification, but I remember the various resolution confusions over PS3 during launch, when it would upscale certain shit, but not other things.  I think you are right about games, I think I am just remembering PS2 games or DVDs or something else not upscaling, or Blu Ray not playing at 720p maybe.  All that has been fixed to my knowledge.

[TVC15]

Wait, fuck, I need component cables for Wii too, don't I?

[Van Cruncheon]

i think the wii is best when NOT displayed

[TVC15]

I guess there's really no point of hooking up the Wii when I can just hook up the PSP directly to the TV now. . .

[Smooth Groove]

360 can display all 360 games in any HD resolution.  Since your TV can support both 720P/1080I, mess around with the 360's settings to see which one looks better.  From my experience, 1080I tend to look a little bit better with 720P TVs.  The 1080I siginal just looks a little crisper.

The PS3 strangely is much more limited in what resolutions its games can be displayed in despite being touted as the only "True HD" console.  The HDMI automatically detected what resolutions my TV were capable of but it might be different for you.  You can also use the PS2's component cables like I mentioned yesterday.  With the PS3, most games would be displayed in 720P but there're several that will support 1080I/1080P.  The PS3 can scale with a software method or just natively render in 1080.  Since most 1080 natively rendered games have terrible framerates and the software upscaling is pretty lousy, I would just keep the PS3 at 720P to avoid headache.  

With the PS2, things are a little bit different.  You have to go to game settings to set the upscaling options.  With the PS2, everything can be upscaled to the HD resolution that you selected in Display Settings.  You can select upscaling to off, normal, or Full.  Normal works most of the time but use Full if the scaling makes the picture too small.  Also, keep in mind that no upscaling is used if you turn on Progressive Scan within a PS2 game.  Native 480P rendering will usually look better than upscaling to HD.  

The WII looks quite a bit better with component cables, regradless of whether you use 480I/P.  I think it's worth the $30.  WII's graphics are not great, obviously, but they're not worse than PS2 or PSP.  So if you can tolerate playing PS2 games on your HDTV, I see no reason to not hook up the WII also. 

[TVC15]

Question, since Heavenly Sword has a fucking weird framerate and it never looks smooth, might it be better to play in 1080i than in 720p?

[Smooth Groove]

You can't play it in 1080I.  That's the problem that I was trying to explain to you.  The PS3 can't upscale every PS3 game because it relies on a software method that doesn't work too well.  It also can render a game in 1080I/P but that's very performance draining and it's up to the developer whether 1920x1080 is supported.  All PS3 games can run in 480P though and framerates are usually much improved but you're also sacrificing a lot of image quality. 

[cubicle47b]

PGR3 is 600p native, I believe.  And any system that supports progressive scan should be connected with component.

[TakingBackSunday]

Wait, fuck, I need component cables for Wii too, don't I?

Honestly, it's best if you just keep it on any TV other than you're new one, if you have another around your place.  From every experience I've had with a Wii, it looks tons shittier on an TV like the one you just got, even WITH component cables.

[Smooth Groove]

Wait, fuck, I need component cables for Wii too, don't I?

Honestly, it's best if you just keep it on any TV other than you're new one, if you have another around your place.  From every experience I've had with a Wii, it looks tons shittier on an TV like the one you just got, even WITH component cables.

I keep one crt TV around because 480P just looks really bad on my 1080P LCD.  Even Xbox 1 games look incredibly fuzzy on my LCD.  Plasma is better than LCD with low-res material but it's still not quite up to crt standards. 

[TVC15]

You can't play it in 1080I.  That's the problem that I was trying to explain to you.  The PS3 can't upscale every PS3 game because it relies on a software method that doesn't work too well.  It also can render a game in 1080I/P but that's very performance draining and it's up to the developer whether 1920x1080 is supported.  All PS3 games can run in 480P though and framerates are usually much improved but you're also sacrificing a lot of image quality. 

You know, playing Heavenly Sword in 720p, it runs about as well as it did in SD, but it looks SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER.  I'd imagine it runs about the same in 480p, considering it ran the same in SD.
Holy shit, this game is so amazing looking.

[Smooth Groove]

You can't play it in 1080I.  That's the problem that I was trying to explain to you.  The PS3 can't upscale every PS3 game because it relies on a software method that doesn't work too well.  It also can render a game in 1080I/P but that's very performance draining and it's up to the developer whether 1920x1080 is supported.  All PS3 games can run in 480P though and framerates are usually much improved but you're also sacrificing a lot of image quality. 

You know, playing Heavenly Sword in 720p, it runs about as well as it did in SD, but it looks SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER.  I'd imagine it runs about the same in 480p, considering it ran the same in SD.
Holy shit, this game is so amazing looking.

I forgot that you were playing it on 480P before.  I thought you were asking me the difference between 720p and 1080I.  It's kinda surprising that framerate makes no difference because most PS3 games tend to run smoother in 480P.  It's just like selecting a lower resolution in a PC game because the PS3 natively renders in 480P instead of downscaling to 480P. 

With regards to HS, it never really looked amazing to me because of the massive tearing and framedrops.  I'm really picky about framerate and image quality.  You probably know that already from my PC hardware posts. 

[TVC15]

Oddly enough, maybe not so oddly actually, although at least a little odd, I played the first act of HS again to "Get in the groove" again and revisit the areas from the first act and see them as they were meant to be seen.  Jumping from their to act 3, the latter act is much less glitchy than the earlier part of the game.  I know it would be unusual for the devs to iron out the kinks in the levels out of order, but act 3 definitely looks more impressive and less glitchy than earlier in the game.

No free pass, though, it's still got glitches and slowdown, it's just a lot, a lot better than the first aspect in regards to glitchiness.  And most other things, too.

[Smooth Groove]

Perhaps the 1st area is doing more than we can perceive?  Our eyes are not entirely accurate in terms of judging effects/polygons, etc.  We are good at judging slowdowns though.  That's why framerate is more important than slight visual differences.  It was annoying that people who were complaining about HS's framerate/tearing changed their tune once the HS develper came in with a bunch of tech mumbo jumbo about how HS slows down because every object casts a shadow or something like that.   Trust yourselves, people!  If you couldn't tolerate the technical problems before, why would knowing about how the shadows are rendered make a difference?