Author Topic: Halo 3's graphics are actually pretty good... (Read 7687 times)

Smooth Groove · « **on:** September 26, 2007, 10:35:55 PM »

for a $50 game.

That's the price I paid at Costco. It's the best price around so go to Costco if you haven't got a copy yet. If you don't mind the trouble, buy it at Costco and just return the sealed copy to wherever you went to first.

demi · « **Reply #1 on:** September 26, 2007, 10:39:44 PM »

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2 on:** September 26, 2007, 10:41:44 PM »

lol wut

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #3 on:** September 26, 2007, 10:54:11 PM »

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #4 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:02:36 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 26, 2007, 10:41:44 PM

lol wut

Just trying to spread the deal around while making a joke about Halo 3's "last gen" graphics. Personally, I can see what both the supporters and detractors of H3's graphics are talking about. I have to play it a little more to make a final judgment though.

demi · « **Reply #5 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:03:59 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on September 26, 2007, 11:02:36 PM

I have to play it a little more to make a final judgment though.

Don't worry, so do they

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #6 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:07:36 PM »

I like how people expect Gears' level of graphical density/fidelity in a game with the scale of Halo 3.

Candyflip · « **Reply #7 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:08:56 PM »

To put it bluntly, graphics can suck my nuts.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #8 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:13:36 PM »

Quote from: demi on September 26, 2007, 11:03:59 PM

Quote from: Smooth Groove on September 26, 2007, 11:02:36 PM
I have to play it a little more to make a final judgment though.

Don't worry, so do they

I do think TVC's exaggerating a little about how disappointing its graphics are. The biggest flaw that I've noticed so far is the lack of anti-aliasing, which oddly is supposed to be one of the 360's strengths. However, there's no tearing and the framerate is steady. Heavenly Sword, which TVC thought was beautiful, had many more obvious technical problems, IMO.

demi · « **Reply #9 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:16:02 PM »

I don't think any of them have got past the first level, which made that thread all the more funnier.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #10 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:17:11 PM »

Demi to be fair neither have I, but im kinda busy with work and when I get home I just wanna WoW

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #11 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:18:03 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 26, 2007, 11:17:11 PM

Demi to be fair neither have I, but im kinda busy with work and when I get home I just wanna WoW

Replace TF2 for WoW for me.

demi · « **Reply #12 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:18:10 PM »

Well at least you were right in that thread was very GAF, though.

lol

drohne · « **Reply #13 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:18:25 PM »

uh...at least it doesn't look as bad as ninja gaiden 2?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #14 on:** September 26, 2007, 11:20:28 PM »

See, but its ok to knock NG2 for its visuals cause Itagaki never shuts up about 'how impressive' his games are omg omg im Itagaki.

If bungie never stated that they wouldnt focus being the best looking 360 game, I probably wouldnt have been so annoyed.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #15 on:** September 27, 2007, 12:20:11 AM »

check my posts. I posted the costco deal first! I don't even have a fucking costco card.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #16 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:53:36 AM »

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6179901/index.html?tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

After seeing this feature on gamespot, you'll have to be crazy or blind to think that Halo 3 looks just like Halo 2 in HD. Character models show the least obvious improvements but you can still tell that the finer details have been improved quite a bit. Keep in mind also that there're far more characters running around simultaneously in H3. The comparisons show that Bungie did much more than just upping the resolution to 720P. I think the major problem is that the lack of anti-aliasing obscures many of the visual improvements in H3. It shows that the more details a game has, the more important it is to have AA.

abrader · « **Reply #17 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:23:14 AM »

Honestly after just playing Halo 1, Halo 3 really just looks better in he scale, geometry and FX department...I am glad the textures look similar, makes Halo 1 not look so dated and still very competent..

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #18 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:27:56 AM »

Halo 3's texturing is weird. The textures don't look that good from far away but they look really good up close. Most games are the other way around, like Resistance, for example.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #19 on:** September 27, 2007, 04:57:38 AM »

I heard the textures are pretty bad up-close because of the bilinear filtering. also, how bad are the jaggies? photomode adds AA but is it like the difference between PGR 3 in-game and photomode? I heard the game pushes a lot of shaders and effects but I'm worried about how the art style would look with low AA because the levels are all really big but not symmetrical.

and this video on gamespot shows the difference between halo 1,2, and 3.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6179901/index.html#

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2007, 05:02:57 AM »

I think the game looks pretty good. It's not on the level of BioShock or Gears of War, but the scope is impressive and the art design in places is pretty good. I can understand the disappointment, since this is Halo and not some third-party summer release, and you expect the best the platform has to offer. But considering the amount of features, entertainment provided and stability - I think it's a good compromise.

bud · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2007, 09:22:11 AM »

the reason why it might look like halo 2 in hd --ny times called it that-- could be the art-style. i personally don't think it looks bad at all, judging from the pics and videos and i kinda dig the look, but there's not much you can improve on it with that style, i'd say.

btw, i wish they had kept mc's armour like how it was in the e3 2k6 trailer. it's too ''flat'' now.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2007, 01:56:23 PM »

it's pretty stupid to call it halo 2 in HD just because the art style is the same.

abrader · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:09:01 PM »

again - im really glad it doesnt look worlds better than Halo1/2.....makes a better trillogy.

TVC15 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:14:29 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on September 26, 2007, 11:13:36 PM

Quote from: demi on September 26, 2007, 11:03:59 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on September 26, 2007, 11:02:36 PM
I have to play it a little more to make a final judgment though.

Don't worry, so do they

I do think TVC's exaggerating a little about how disappointing its graphics are. The biggest flaw that I've noticed so far is the lack of anti-aliasing, which oddly is supposed to be one of the 360's strengths. However, there's no tearing and the framerate is steady. Heavenly Sword, which TVC thought was beautiful, had many more obvious technical problems, IMO.

You make it sound like I never criticized Heavenly Sword for anything. Forgot about me calling it a 6.0 game, I guess?

And yes, Halo 3 has disappointing visuals. That really can't be argued. The reason I enjoy Heavenly Sword a pass is because it has gameplay that, while derivative of other fancy fighting games, is its own, new thing. Halo 3 has disappointing visuals for the system its on, and it's got effectively the same gameplay as previous games in the series. I'd most certainly give Halo 3 a higher rating, so stop trying to make it sound like I am insanely advocating Heavenly Sword, you asshole.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:38:31 PM »

Why are you disappointed? You were never promised anything. If youre going off self-propelled expectations its not really fair to level it as legitimate criticism.

TVC15 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:41:03 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 27, 2007, 02:38:31 PM

Why are you disappointed? You were never promised anything. If youre going off self-propelled expectations its not really fair to level it as legitimate criticism.

Because it's a big name game and the biggest one of the season. I don't particularly see anything outrageous with having higher expectations on visuals.

And let me stress once again that I do like Halo 3, if only because now I expect Smooth Groove to put more words in my mouth.

bud · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:41:09 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on September 27, 2007, 01:56:23 PM

it's pretty stupid to call it halo 2 in HD just because the art style is the same.

that's not even what i said

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:42:55 PM »

You've created in your head what to expect from a big game, but its not what was PROMISED by devs. The expectations that YOU create are not legitimate leverage against a game. Bungie promised gameplay, judge it against that.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:43:34 PM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 27, 2007, 02:41:59 PM

Why is it so wrong to be dissapointed in something if it wasn't promised? Nintendo never promised anything more than shit hardware and people bitch about that constantly. Halo is Microsoft's flagship property, and as far as consoles go it to second to only one game in terms of importance, so for it to have mediocre tech is dissapointing.

If that kind of bitching isnt obvious trolling it comes off as whining, thats why.

TVC15 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:44:37 PM »

The original Halo looked great for its time, so I expected the iteration on the next gen console to look like a generational leap, not a couple of point upgrades ahead. Again, there's nothing wrong with my expectations here.

And not only would I say my expectations were reasonable, but they were also apparently pretty common, since many reviewers have cited the exact same complaint.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #31 on:** September 27, 2007, 02:46:51 PM »

In your own universe, sure

Mupepe · « **Reply #32 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:01:17 PM »

It's not wrong to judge it on that, I'd just call it stupid.

When the developer tells you they aren't pushing the graphical envelope and you still expect it, there is something wrong with you. lolz

bud · « **Reply #33 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:04:22 PM »

fwiw, bungie pretty much said in response to the beta's graphics' lukewarm reception that halo 3's graphics should be judged on its single player graphics, understandably, because the mp is always about performance etc. and that people would be glad with the game's polished graphics.

i guess they were wrong lol

Robo · « **Reply #34 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:05:22 PM »

...for me to poop on.

TVC15 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:06:51 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on September 27, 2007, 03:01:17 PM

It's not wrong to judge it on that, I'd just call it stupid.

When the developer tells you they aren't pushing the graphical envelope and you still expect it, there is something wrong with you. lolz

1) I didn't follow the development of the game. I don't follow the development of most big games today because I find out it adversely affects my enjoyment.

2) There's not pushing the envelope, and then there's a game looking disappointing. I can understand not pushing the envelope, but Halo 3 looks disappointing for a AAA event game. Actually, I guess it's just an A game since we know there's no AA :p

Note that is is still a good game, and that's what's important.

Quote

fwiw, bungie pretty much said in response to the beta's graphics' lukewarm reception that halo 3's graphics should be judged on its single player graphics, understandably, because the mp is always about performance etc. and that people would be glad with the game's polished graphics.

I was going to bring this up, too, but I couldn't find confirmation that it was Bungie that said it, and not Halo fanboys.

demi · « **Reply #36 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:08:17 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 27, 2007, 02:38:31 PM

Why are you disappointed? You were never promised anything. If youre going off self-propelled expectations its not really fair to level it as legitimate criticism.

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abrader · « **Reply #37 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:11:21 PM »

Bleh the game looks fine - but I do hate the knee jerk reaction of some to fanboi defend a flagship title (AKA get of TVC's nuts)

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #38 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:14:53 PM »

Looks the same to me! I gotta go!

bud · « **Reply #39 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:15:42 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 27, 2007, 03:14:53 PM

Looks the same to me! I gotta go!

really?

demi · « **Reply #40 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:15:53 PM »

DESTROYED

Now stfu and go play it, fegs. I'll play with you, holla.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #41 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:19:17 PM »

*runs*

Mupepe · « **Reply #42 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:23:49 PM »

it's definitely been downgraded. even though that is SP vs MP.

demi · « **Reply #43 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:30:02 PM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 27, 2007, 03:26:45 PM

Anyone who thought that first pic was going to be realtime is...uh...dumb.

lol, I'm just posting GAFisms. I'm pretty sure though that I read Stinkles say that it was an "early version" - or another Bungie employee

Besides, I beat it on Legendary. I'm allowed to troll.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #44 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:30:32 PM »

i'm not disappointed. i'm just not impressed. that's okay, because i wasn't impressed with wow's graphics on a technical level either, and i've sunk countless hours into it

TVC15 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:31:02 PM »

Yeah, I'm done discussing this, too. I only stepped back in because of Smooth Groove's comments.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #46 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:32:40 PM »

I just stepped in cause you stepped in again lol.

demi · « **Reply #47 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:34:49 PM »

Why don't you all stfu and do a 3 player co-op? fegs

TVC15 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:35:34 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 27, 2007, 03:32:40 PM

I just stepped in cause you stepped in again lol.

Blame Smooth Groove!

Demi, I will be available tonight to play, if you are. Just make sure you give me plenty of Blue Dragon time at the end of the night.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #49 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:35:48 PM »

i just stepped in cause you stepped in! WUT

also: i just stepped in to see what condition halo 3's condition was in

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #50 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:37:04 PM »

You should also look at my CoH thread. I love the expansion so much I wanna take it out behind a middle school and get it pregnant.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #51 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:38:00 PM »

i do not want to feel sad that i cannot own it until friday

demi · « **Reply #52 on:** September 27, 2007, 03:38:23 PM »

I'll play with you PVC on the difficulty of your choosing, since I got all that shit out of the way

brawndolicious · « **Reply #53 on:** September 27, 2007, 08:06:41 PM »

Quote from: bud on September 27, 2007, 02:41:09 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on September 27, 2007, 01:56:23 PM
it's pretty stupid to call it halo 2 in HD just because the art style is the same.

that's not even what i said

I know that.

drohne · « **Reply #54 on:** September 27, 2007, 09:53:44 PM »

apparently we can't call it halo 2 hd anymore because it isn't quite rendering in high definition

they should put a big '640p ALMOST HD' sticker on the box

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #55 on:** September 27, 2007, 11:02:33 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on September 27, 2007, 02:14:29 PM

You make it sound like I never criticized Heavenly Sword for anything. Forgot about me calling it a 6.0 game, I guess?

And yes, Halo 3 has disappointing visuals. That really can't be argued. The reason I enjoy Heavenly Sword a pass is because it has gameplay that, while derivative of other fancy fighting games, is its own, new thing. Halo 3 has disappointing visuals for the system its on, and it's got effectively the same gameplay as previous games in the series. I'd most certainly give Halo 3 a higher rating, so stop trying to make it sound like I am insanely advocating Heavenly Sword, you asshole.

Geez, remind me not to get you mad again. $:-\$ I never said that you think HS is a good game. I was just talking about your comments on the visuals of both games. My point is simply that H3's visual weaknesses are less annoying than HS's.

Quote from: drohne on September 27, 2007, 09:53:44 PM

apparently we can't call it halo 2 hd anymore because it isn't quite rendering in high definition

they should put a big '640p ALMOST HD' sticker on the box

How is it possible for anyone other than Bungie to know what Halo3 is rendering in since you can't turn off the scaling on the 360? There is no option for native resolution output even with a VGA cable.

drohne · « **Reply #56 on:** September 28, 2007, 12:05:48 AM »

some crazies on beyond 3d are counting pixel stairsteps -- they can not only tell when a game's being scaled, but what resolution it's being scaled from; it varies. crazies. apparently gthd isn't doing a full 1080p! how bout that, sg!

brawndolicious · « **Reply #57 on:** September 28, 2007, 01:06:33 AM »

gt5 is supposed to be 1080P and I think the demo was.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #58 on:** September 28, 2007, 01:11:23 AM »

Drohne, you're right. crazies! I wouldn't go through more trouble than using an app like Fraps if I wanted tech info. I bet those fools would count polygons if they could.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #59 on:** September 28, 2007, 01:37:01 AM »

they just use their TV to capture the image and then zoom in a lot.

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