Author Topic: REAL TALK: What separates gamers from nubs? (Read 4357 times)

Ichirou · « **on:** September 30, 2007, 06:42:41 PM »

I want to know how prevalent the line of thought is that "real" gamers only play PC games, as I think this is a divisive line of thought. XD

demi · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:49:07 PM »

What separates gamers from nubs is difficulty level. Go hard or go home.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:51:04 PM »

pc games require an investment of time and money. if you can afford neither and instead rely on shallow overstimulation in short bursts, you're probably a nub. if you are not experienced with pc gaming's history, which directly influenced all the games you like -- especially the wacky jappy rpgs -- you are a nub. stop what you are doing, go to underdogs.org, and get educated!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:53:41 PM »

the original sf2 had some pretty bad art, anyhow. some of the pre-super portraits were AIEE and guile's sprite has always looked awful. same for blanka!

Ichirou · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 30, 2007, 06:51:04 PM

pc games require an investment of time and money. if you can afford neither and instead rely on shallow overstimulation in short bursts, you're probably a nub. if you are not experienced with pc gaming's history, which directly influenced all the games you like -- especially the wacky jappy rpgs -- you are a nub. stop what you are doing, go to underdogs.org, and get educated!

But I have no interest in PC gaming's history...and how exactly did PC gaming influence stuff like Street Fighter or 2D platformers? As far as I know, those genres were born in either the arcade or the console.

I really don't see why I should start investing time and money in a format I have no interest in, lest I be called a nub.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:59:15 PM »

then a nub ye be

Ichirou · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:01:04 PM »

I've been playing games since the '80s, though, way too long for me to ever consider myself a nub.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:03:57 PM »

you haven't played a civ title! you haven't played a good version of the ultima titles! you haven't played starcraft, or diablo 2, or no one lives forever, or battlefield 2, or x-com, or system shock 2, or baldur's gate 2, or torment, or full throttle, or grim fandango, or master of magic, or galactic civilizations 2! nubz0r!

Ichirou · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:06:16 PM »

X-Com was the first game I bought for PSX. I've played it extensively. I'm sure I could make a list of classic console or arcade titles you haven't played extensively, but I wouldn't think that marks you as a nub, I'd just think you had either not had the chance to play them or that they just didn't appeal to you conceptually.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:06:28 PM »

I want to say PC and platform of choice, isn't there a way to let polls make you say multiple decisions?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:07:42 PM »

the psx version is grossly inferior and does not include terror from the deep. that's like saying you played ultima v because you played the nes version, or panzer general because you played the saturn version. nub!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:08:10 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on September 30, 2007, 07:06:16 PM

X-Com was the first game I bought for PSX. I've played it extensively. I'm sure I could make a list of classic console or arcade titles you haven't played extensively, but I wouldn't think that marks you as a nub, I'd just think you had either not had the chance to play them or that they just didn't appeal to you conceptually.

i guarantee i have played most console titles, because i am not a nub. i do not exclude major platforms with extensive histories, because i am a real gamer. buy a pc.

Ichirou · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:10:40 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on September 30, 2007, 07:06:28 PM

I want to say PC and platform of choice, isn't there a way to let polls make you say multiple decisions?

PC is included under platform of choice. What you want to do would defeat the purpose of the poll.

Prole, I own a PC. I'm just not interested in 90% of the games you mentioned, other than Grim Fandango and Full Throttle, which I'll probably get around to playing someday.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:11:28 PM »

do they need more big-titty lolis?

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:14:57 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on September 30, 2007, 07:10:40 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on September 30, 2007, 07:06:28 PM
I want to say PC and platform of choice, isn't there a way to let polls make you say multiple decisions?
Prole, I own a PC. I'm just not interested in 90% of the games you mentioned, other than Grim Fandango and Full Throttle, which I'll probably get around to playing someday.

Because you're a nub

Ichirou · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:15:14 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 30, 2007, 07:11:28 PM

do they need more big-titty lolis?

They're just not appealing to me. I played Caesar II and III (forgot to mention those) and they were okay, but just not my type of game, and I assume Civilization resembles them in some respects. I couldn't care less about FPS games, so there goes one of the most important genres on PC, right out the window. I dislike PC RPGs from what I've seen of them, so there goes stuff like Baldur's Gate 2 and Neverwinter Nights.

It's not my format of choice for the type of gaming I like to do, and I don't like the keyboard/mouse interface for gaming.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:23:22 PM »

I used to be a big PC gamer back in junior high and high school, but I lost interest in keeping up with it all. Plus, I'm not a fan of RTS games.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:40:56 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on September 30, 2007, 07:10:40 PM

PC is included under platform of choice. What you want to do would defeat the purpose of the poll.

wait, how does it make sense to only choose one of those as making you a real gamer? I'd have to choose PC then because it can play 20 year old games and has emulators.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:45:29 PM »

Even I voted "Playing good games on your machine of choice (be it a console, a PC, or an arcade cabinet).". I don't think you need any experience playing PC games to not be a veterna gamer. I would think that there would be a terrible lack of perspective on game design by someone who has completely ignored PC gaming, but that knowledge isn't a prerequisite to being a gamer, just a critic or designer.

Ichirou · « **Reply #19 on:** September 30, 2007, 08:25:48 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on September 30, 2007, 07:40:56 PM

Quote from: Ichirou on September 30, 2007, 07:10:40 PM
PC is included under platform of choice. What you want to do would defeat the purpose of the poll.
wait, how does it make sense to only choose one of those as making you a real gamer? I'd have to choose PC then because it can play 20 year old games and has emulators.

I don't think you understand the poll.

Frag, as I stated in the other thread (where I took this topic from, since I didn't want to derail Prole's topic), I have played some PC games, and found that the PC gaming experience isn't to my liking..I'm not bashing it, and I'd never criticize PC games, or FPS games...I just don't "get" them and for the most part don't enjoy playing them.

tiesto · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2007, 10:48:34 PM »

I've tried going back to the old Ultima games and they are insanely difficult and it's hard to know what to do without relying on walkthroughs. And I'm someone who has been playing RPGs since Dragon Warrior 1. The old Ultimas are really good though, and you can clearly see how they influenced early Japanese RPGs.

ananus · « **Reply #21 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:06:48 PM »

what demi said. you can go "bububu pc gaming" all day, but if you can't play challenging games, you're a nub.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #22 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:32:50 PM »

My gaming career started on the PC and continues to this day.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #23 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:36:07 PM »

I don't think there is any shame in saying that you prefer your games simple. Limited amount of options, limited scope of the game, limited controls. You can still be a gamer and stick to those preferences.

Consoles were created with the intention of appealing to the widest possible amount of people as possible. Gamers want to chide the Wii for what it's doing .. but Nintendo is only going back to what made consoles popular in the first place. They've just cast the net wider.

There are certain hex-based war games and difficult RTS's (like Supreme Commander) that I will never be able to grasp. They are just too complex for me to handle because I never played them as a kid. It doesn't mean those games "suck" it just means they are not for me.

demi · « **Reply #24 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:43:59 PM »

I love graphic adventures, and that's a PC-centric genre.

Ichirou · « **Reply #25 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:51:54 PM »

Quote from: ananus on September 30, 2007, 11:06:48 PM

what demi said. you can go "bububu pc gaming" all day, but if you can't play challenging games, you're a nub.

I agree with that, the sense of achievement you get from beating something tough is awesome as hell.

Quote from: demi on September 30, 2007, 11:43:59 PM

I love graphic adventures, and that's a PC-centric genre.

As do I, but my first graphic adventures were played on the NES: Maniac Mansion, Shadowgate, and Deja Vu. Actually, there's a bunch of graphic adventures on PC I'd like to play (Prole mentioned two of them already), but I haven't bothered to do research into compatibility, emulation, and heck, just finding the games in the first place.

Isn't it mostly a dead genre on PC nowadays? I'm probably showing my ignorance of PC gaming by asking that question.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2007, 11:58:08 PM »

when it comes to multiplayer games, I think you need experience with different platforms to see how they affected different genres and whatnot (online gaming first on PC, N64 4 player splitscreen, etc.) but you're platform of choice and challenging games on it are what would make you a real gamer for singleplayer games.

Ichirou · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:03:24 AM »

Fighters are the only multiplayer games I like. Everything else can suck my balls.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:35:32 AM »

no you just suck.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #29 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:40:45 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on October 01, 2007, 12:03:24 AM

Fighters are the only multiplayer games I like. Everything else can suck my balls.

I like co-op platformers and any other shit that will get my wife to play games with me.

We are going to have sooooo much fun with Little Big Planet.

Ichirou · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:49:49 AM »

Quote from: am nintenho on October 01, 2007, 12:35:32 AM

no you just suck.

NO YOU!!!!

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:53:01 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on September 30, 2007, 11:51:54 PM

Isn't it mostly a dead genre on PC nowadays? I'm probably showing my ignorance of PC gaming by asking that question.

"Dead", as in it hasn't been innovative in the past 10 years. But that doesn't stop JRPG's from still selling.

There are still about half a dozen quality graphic adventures released every year on the PC. A new round of "Sam and Max" ones came out recently and had high reviews.

Oblivion · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:44:26 AM »

General question since I'm not well versed in PC gaming's rich history, but what PC games had any impact on console games?

brawndolicious · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:51:56 AM »

didn't it go in the order arcade>PC>console gaming? I'd imagine that many games like FPS, RTS, and RPG which you can't do on arcades started out on PC.

Vizzys · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2007, 05:04:54 AM »

Bob Saget's Gangbang 64

Ichirou · « **Reply #35 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:28:42 AM »

Quote from: Oblivion on October 01, 2007, 04:44:26 AM

General question since I'm not well versed in PC gaming's rich history, but what PC games had any impact on console games?

Stuff like Ultima was the direct ancestor of Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. The modern Japanese RPG is a direct descendant of those early PC games.

tiesto · « **Reply #36 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:31:43 AM »

Run 'n Guns make for the best co-op experience IMO.

Himu · « **Reply #37 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:40:27 AM »

Ichirou is forgetting Wizardry and Rogue as well.

Also: the obvious Doom, Wolfenstein, Half Life picks.

I think Sim City is pretty influential.

PC adventure games started the whole "i got a puzzle and if i solve it i can move on to the next story bit" thing that many console adventure and action adventure titles that we still see today.

I think a more interesting discussion would be "what pc games were influenced by console games" vice versa is so obvious.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #38 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:50:34 AM »

I never played Civ growing up because I was too busy playing AoE, C&C, and Sim City.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #39 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:56:07 AM »

It should be a requirement for every American male between the ages of 13 and 15 to spend a summer slaving away to a Civilization game.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #40 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:57:11 AM »

I wish you were my father.

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