Author Topic: The [ Final Fantasy Tactics: Lion War ] Thread (Read 6635 times)

demi · « **on:** October 02, 2007, 02:16:44 PM »

Look what dropped into my lap today

MCD · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:21:32 PM »

Is it retranslated?

and how are the graphics compared to the PS1 release?

demi · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:29:40 PM »

It's definitely retranslated, I don't understand what any of the moves are

Ramza's skills are now "Rush - Salve - Tailwind - Chant" under the "Mettle" category

I just want to throw a rock :'(

The graphics are blurry, no sharp PSX graphics here.

They also renamed Rad to Ladd

MCD · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:32:54 PM »

Quote from: demi on October 02, 2007, 02:29:40 PM

Ramza's skills are now "Rush - Salve - Tailwind - Chant" under the "Mettle" category

They also renamed Rad to Ladd

I lol'd!

anyway, thanks for the info demi, this will be nice after beating BD (still on disc 2).

demi · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:33:12 PM »

Who is the person who said slowdown was removed? I am getting slowdown just from casting the Fire spell!

MCD · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:37:12 PM »

Quote from: demi on October 02, 2007, 02:33:12 PM

Who is the person who said slowdown was removed? I am getting slowdown just from casting the Fire spell!

Will setting CPU speed to 333 benefit it?

demi · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:38:21 PM »

Maybe, I'll try it after I finish this battle.

demi · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:52:59 PM »

Nope 333mhz didn't help at all, still slowdown

MCD · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:59:33 PM »

Are you playing via UMD disc or Memory?

if you are using the disc, try loading it in the memory.

if that doesn't help...fucking lazy S-E.

demi · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:00:11 PM »

Memory Stick

MCD · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:02:12 PM »

damn...

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:08:07 PM »

Why wasnt this shit mentioned in the japanese reviews *cancels pre-order*

Too much other shit to play anyway.

Synbios459 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:13:48 PM »

Should I just buy the PSX version?

demi · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:15:33 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:16:01 PM »

you should play it period.

nub.

lol @ the new skill names

Ichirou · « **Reply #15 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:25:51 PM »

Putting the game on memory stick won't help, the problem with the slowdown is in the actual programming of the port.

Mondain · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2007, 01:53:47 AM »

the game hasn't slowed down all that much so far, but perhaps that I didn't really use any of the special spells or attacks yet

haven't ever played the original FFT because of its garbage translation that makes the story incomprehensible, so I have no frame of reference like demi and the others

the translation for this port is really superb and extremely articulate, the guy who did it is simply the best in the whole industry; he did Final Fantasy XII and Blue Dragon too

demi · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2007, 01:55:01 AM »

It's evident in the very first battle, Agrias and Gaff(two f's this time)garion's attacks alone slow down.

Do you have a PSP Slim? I'm not sure if that remedies anything.

Mondain · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2007, 02:00:09 AM »

no, the original fat one

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #19 on:** October 03, 2007, 03:02:45 AM »

Quote from: Mondain on October 03, 2007, 01:53:47 AM

the game hasn't slowed down all that much so far, but perhaps that I didn't really use any of the special spells or attacks yet

haven't ever played the original FFT because of its garbage translation that makes the story incomprehensible, so I have no frame of reference like demi and the others

the translation for this port is really superb and extremely articulate, the guy who did it is simply the best in the whole industry; he did Final Fantasy XII and Blue Dragon too

lol

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2007, 08:12:18 AM »

Oh god I want this game. Demiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

MCD · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2007, 11:45:41 AM »

Quote from: Mondain on October 03, 2007, 01:53:47 AM

the translation for this port is really superb and extremely articulate, the guy who did it is simply the best in the whole industry; he did Final Fantasy XII and Blue Dragon too

You mean Alexander O. Smith? yeah the man is a fucking genius, although i am not sure about BD, according to wiki, he translated "Eternity", not the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O._Smith

y2kev · « **Reply #22 on:** October 03, 2007, 11:50:55 AM »

AOSmith just did Eternity. Which is why it's amazing.

The translation of this game looks so far (from what I've seen in screenshots and movies) superbly done. Despite TOSE's best efforts, the game is still great!

Mondain · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2007, 04:56:34 PM »

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You mean Alexander O. Smith? yeah the man is a fucking genius, although i am not sure about BD, according to wiki, he translated "Eternity", not the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O._Smith

Are you sure that he didn't take care of Blue Dragon's dialogue too? That Wiki seems like it hasn't been updated in a while. It doesn't say that the FFT PSP port has been done by him and it's definitely his doing.

I seem to vaguely recall people on GAy saying that he did Blue Dragon's script too...

bluemax · « **Reply #24 on:** October 03, 2007, 04:57:30 PM »

I want a game done entirely in the style of the cutscenes.

I do like the new translation, I'm still on the intro but the game already feels 100% less shitty.

TVC15 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:05:37 PM »

I only noticed slowdown with some special moves and spells. I'm pretty sure it is stylistic. Note that I have only played like an hour, so I haven't gotten to the higher end stuff. Not that any of the skills, aside from summons, are any more impressive than the ones towards the beginning.

I'm not totally sold on the new translation. It makes sense and all, but the language is a bit too turgid and flowery. Seems to be trying too hard. Plus they changed the BLAME YOURSELF OR GOD line, so I am knocking at least two points off my final review score.

Also, my nostalgia hasn't been very nice to this game. I kinda remember it being much better in several regards. At least Disgaea is out soon.

demi · « **Reply #26 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:09:41 PM »

Stylistic? Not the choice word I would use

MCD · « **Reply #27 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:13:31 PM »

Quote from: Mondain on October 03, 2007, 04:56:34 PM

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You mean Alexander O. Smith? yeah the man is a fucking genius, although i am not sure about BD, according to wiki, he translated "Eternity", not the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_O._Smith

Are you sure that he didn't take care of Blue Dragon's dialogue too? That Wiki seems like it hasn't been updated in a while. It doesn't say that the FFT PSP port has been done by him and it's definitely his doing.

I seem to vaguely recall people on GAy saying that he did Blue Dragon's script too...

Yeah that Wiki isn't up to date.

someone here who beat the game can verify this via the credits.

demi · « **Reply #28 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:14:43 PM »

What game, FFT or Blue Dragon?

MCD · « **Reply #29 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:16:19 PM »

Blue Dragon.

TVC15 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:45:13 PM »

Blue Dragon's translation gets kinda shitty in the last quarter or so. Well, there are only a few places where it's really terrible, but I don't understand how anyone rubberstamped some of the stuff towards the end. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else finished it or something.

And demi, stylistic is probably not the best descriptor, but I do think the slowdown is intentional. It only happens during those spell effects, and it definitely seems like it is a tension/drama thing.

Either way, technical or not, it doesn't have any real effect on gameplay. Don't write it off because it slows down very briefly during spell effects. Write it off because it's kinda dated and the FFT you played so many years ago that is alive in your memories isn't quite as good as the real thing. Get Disgaea if you can only get one SRPG!

demi · « **Reply #31 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:47:02 PM »

It's not even close to intentional! How is that intentional! Should I make that excuse for all games with shit framerate? No! It's shoddy. I'm compressing FFT PSX right now to compare.

MCD · « **Reply #32 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:49:54 PM »

BD also had framerate problems while casting some spells.

also Disgaea sucks.

TVC15 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:52:37 PM »

Quote from: demi on October 03, 2007, 05:47:02 PM

It's not even close to intentional! How is that intentional! Should I make that excuse for all games with shit framerate? No! It's shoddy. I'm compressing FFT PSX right now to compare.

It's resticted to those spell effects, and there's no reason that would cause slowdown. It does not have an effect on play.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #34 on:** October 03, 2007, 05:57:11 PM »

i really miss "blame yourself or god" :'(

demi · « **Reply #35 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:11:38 PM »

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3159537

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The sound quality seems to have taken a hit as well, with music lacking the reverb that made it sound so majestic; plus, certain sounds are simply awful now, like the wind effect that now resembles a busted Atari 2600 game more than a haunting breeze. And then there's the slowdown -- most monster attacks and any animated battle effect, such as spells and sword skills, bring the game to a crawl.

http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q2-2007/060107c.html

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(Reader Question) Are there any plans to fix the supposed slow down from the Japanese version of Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions?

Charlie: The slow down is not really bad, but what little there is in the game is out of our hands.

Candyflip · « **Reply #36 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:19:11 PM »

Does the slowdown really feel like it makes that big a difference? This is on my list of games I would be buying if I weren't poor, right below Halo 3.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #37 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:23:25 PM »

Disgaea > FFT lol

demi · « **Reply #38 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:25:07 PM »

Quote from: Candyflip on October 03, 2007, 06:19:11 PM

Does the slowdown really feel like it makes that big a difference? This is on my list of games I would be buying if I weren't poor, right below Halo 3.

ITS NOT STYLISTIC

y2kev · « **Reply #39 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »

The Ivalice Alliance is marked by the flowery language. It's Elizabethan by design, and it reads beautifully, even if it is a little overwrought in places.

It's not Shakespeare (goes without saying), or even that knave Marlowe, but Smith does this miles better than what other translators do at their thang, and god if it isn't miles apart from the original.

Now I just need to wait for it to come out.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #40 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:27:00 PM »

Come on Demi. In the realm of style the perception of any 'flaw' becomes relative, allowing the work to exist as a godlike immortal.

demi · « **Reply #41 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:28:54 PM »

BLAME YOURSELF OR GOD

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #42 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:30:10 PM »

haha, god that lines great. Taking it out is like when they took 'the master of unlocking' out of REmake.

demi · « **Reply #43 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:31:25 PM »

What did they change it to?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #44 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:32:22 PM »

Something normal and boring is all I recall. They redid a lot of the dialogue. Lemme see if I can dig it up.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #45 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:32:26 PM »

tvc said it was "blame your birth or blame your fate" or something :'( SUCKS

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #46 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:37:32 PM »

I like FFT cause I can grind in the Plain area and kill shit for the rest of the game (until I reach the near endgame subquests)

But Disgaea is going to be awesome on the PSP. Being able to waste hours powering up equipment and grinding while I'm at work is just Oh my god

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #47 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:37:47 PM »

Here's the new lockpick scene:

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Barry: Oh! I almost forgot. It’s a lockpick. You’d make better use of it.

*(Barry places the lockpick in her hand.)*

Jill: Thanks. I may need it.

and the Jill Sandwich:

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Barry: Grab my hand!

*(He quickly pulls her out into the hallway.)*

Jill: *phew* Barry!

Barry: That was a close one. A second late, you would’ve fit nicely into a
sandwich!

The sandwich joke almost doesnt make sense anymore and is kinda creepy. Barry - Serial Killer

demi · « **Reply #48 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:38:18 PM »

Ohhhh is that the line he says when he punches Ovelia in the intro?

Haha, yeah that's definitely different from BLAME YOURSELF OR GOD.

This is what it says

"Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I."

You can see it here

[youtube=425,350]XOw08Y4ujWw[/youtube]

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #49 on:** October 03, 2007, 06:40:50 PM »

Quote from: demi on October 03, 2007, 06:38:18 PM

Ohhhh is that the line he says when he punches Ovelia in the intro?

Haha, yeah that's definitely different from BLAME YOURSELF OR GOD.

This is what it says

"Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I."

You can see it here

[youtube=425,350]XOw08Y4ujWw[/youtube]

Lame! BLAME YOURSELF OR GOD is awesome and fits with the dumb story.

y2kev · « **Reply #50 on:** October 03, 2007, 07:55:27 PM »

Final Fantasy Tactics' OST is one of the best OSTs evar, the opening prologue music is so good.

Ichirou · « **Reply #51 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:32:04 PM »

I got a good feeling!

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #52 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:35:24 PM »

Alexander O Smith wasn't involved with this one, translators were Joe Reeder (FF12) and Tom Slattery (FF6 GBA).

Ichirou · « **Reply #53 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:39:09 PM »

All the clips I've seen sound awesome but I heard they actually deleted stuff for the translation (Ramza's inner monologues), which pisses me off.

demi · « **Reply #54 on:** October 04, 2007, 05:10:16 AM »

Posting for future reference

When you reach Chapter 4, head over to The Mining Town of Gollund.
Check out the "Rash of Thefts" rumor from the tavern
Drop by The Merchant City of Dorter's tavern and read the "A Call for guards" rumor
Leave town, then you'll automatically encounter battle
Win with the help of Balthier and he's yours

Candyflip · « **Reply #55 on:** October 04, 2007, 06:22:19 AM »

Quote from: demi on October 04, 2007, 05:10:16 AM

Posting for future reference

When you reach Chapter 4, head over to The Mining Town of Gollund.
Check out the "Rash of Thefts" rumor from the tavern
Drop by The Merchant City of Dorter's tavern and read the "A Call for guards" rumor
Leave town, then you'll automatically encounter battle
Win with the help of Balthier and he's yours

What job did they give Balthier?

demi · « **Reply #56 on:** October 04, 2007, 06:25:49 AM »

Sky Pirate

y2kev · « **Reply #57 on:** October 07, 2007, 11:23:58 PM »

This game is SO AWESOME.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #58 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:03:57 AM »

this game isn't as good as i remember :'(

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #59 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:09:00 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 08, 2007, 12:03:57 AM

this game isn't as good as i remember :'(

Real talk. Console games don't age as gracefully as PC games.

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Author Topic: The [ Final Fantasy Tactics: Lion War ] Thread (Read 6635 times)