Author Topic: Who in Their Right Mind Would Run Safari on Windows? (Read 11212 times)

Smooth Groove · « **on:** October 08, 2007, 01:08:11 AM »

Came across this today. Pretty funny take on Apple's browser. I actually think that Safari is pretty good. Still, Macs suck.

Apple is hoping there are Windows users so in love with their iPods and iTunes that they will also download Safari. Then they'll fall in love with that, and the next thing you know they'll be down at the Apple Store fishing for their credit cards.
There's only one problem with that scenario -- Safari sucks. A lot of Mac users won't run the browser (I'm one of them), so why would anyone run it on Windows?

www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2007/06/cultofmac_0612

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:39:47 AM »

Safari DOES suck :p

bluemax · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:41:18 AM »

Who in their right mind runs Safari on OS X?

brawndolicious · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:44:06 AM »

yeah. even if you're using a school computer they usually come with firefox.

bluemax · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:46:05 AM »

Even the Sun Machines have Fire Fox on them here.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:02:06 AM »

Safari is like, bottom of the barrel for browsers on mac yuk

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:01:45 AM »

OH man, I remember taking Sun Microsystem System Administrative classes and using the netscape browser...oh god...oh god...worse than Safari.

It was fun trying to get Fire Fox or Opera installed on it (forget which version OS it was) but I remember going through loopholes just to getting Opera to install.

abrader · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2007, 08:34:46 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on October 08, 2007, 01:08:11 AM

Still, Macs suck.

No - you suck

huckleberry · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2007, 08:38:47 AM »

I use Safari on my Mac and have no problems whatsoever. I still love my extensions in Firefox but that is the only thing missing from Safari. I don't get the hate.

bud · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:50:34 AM »

eh, safari's pretty awesome--it's certainly better than firefox. my only issue with it is that it sometimes crashes when using youtube, but that's all.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:51:39 AM »

Ive used Safari and it blows goats

Mupepe · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:55:29 AM »

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:57:06 AM »

IE7 takes all the good ideas from FireFox and adds some IE and WOW

bud · « **Reply #13 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:15:11 PM »

Quote from: Ruzbeh on October 08, 2007, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: bud on October 08, 2007, 11:50:34 AM
eh, safari's pretty awesome--it's certainly better than firefox. my only issue with it is that it sometimes crashes when using youtube, but that's all.

"Safari is pretty awesome. It's better than Firefox. It crashes sometimes, but..."

...

firfox is a recource hog, safari isn't. and firfox crashes way more often than safari does, which, again, *only* happens *sometimes* when there's a youtube video running.

Rman · « **Reply #14 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:19:34 PM »

I use Camino on Mac. I feel Safari is pretty slow, but solid. Camino is based on Firefox but optimized for Mac. It's very fast and ultra-reliable.

I use a PC at work and for that I run Firefox. Extensions, Extensions, Extensions.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #15 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:21:01 PM »

Safari.

LOLZ.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #16 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:21:34 PM »

IE7, the real choice

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #17 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:09:53 PM »

ie7 is the king of kings and lord of lords . I swapped back to IE from Firefox and couldn't be happier.

demi · « **Reply #18 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:16:38 PM »

IE7 is great! FireFox sucks and makes web development a pain, fuck that shitfest

Mupepe · « **Reply #19 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:22:21 PM »

IE7 is what Firefox tried to be.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #20 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:24:37 PM »

yeah, ie7 spanks the competition pretty soundly. mmm, decent tabbed browsing.

abrader · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:41:03 PM »

Microsoft the good and the bad;

- Third and first party games on XBOX360 - EXCELLENT!

- Console hardware/OS - LOSE

- Desktop OS - LOSE

- MS Office - 'decent'

- MS DOS - 'hard to fukk that up'

- MS Windows - LOSE

- Internet Explorer - LOSE

abrader · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:47:34 PM »

Mupepe · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:58:54 PM »

what?

Vista = Lose? no way. gtfo!

demi · « **Reply #24 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:01:22 PM »

Not a fan of Vista with my experience with it, myself

aoi tsuki · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:13:39 PM »

Quote from: bud

firfox is a recource hog, safari isn't. and firfox crashes way more often than safari does, which, again, *only* happens *sometimes* when there's a youtube video running.

FF can be pared down. Before disable page caching, my FF session creeped to 1.5GB in memory usage. Afterwards, it's around 350MB. Keep in mind that's with around forty tabs open. i don't know what others weigh in at, but it's irrelavent for me since they don't offer the extensions FF does.

Quote from: Mupepe on October 08, 2007, 01:58:54 PM

what?

Vista = Lose? no way. gtfo!

ATM, yeah, Vista loses. In a couple of years, after it's had some time to mature and hardware advances pass XP by, i'm sure it'll be a more attractive choice.

abrader · « **Reply #26 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:10:34 PM »

and thats just it really.

Who would want to buy the first run 350Z, or a new generation MS OS? XP is it for the next 3+ years.

And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS. Also the new gen mac OS is upon us.

Safari has some odd disk caching and ram bugs at times - but its low memory footprint rocks. The WEB isnt my theatre of life - I mostly use computers for work - something I can run with all of my work apps that thin reigns supreme in my OSX only world.

bluemax · « **Reply #27 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:24:54 PM »

Does IE7 have Adblocking? The adblock extension is the only part of FF I could never live without. Anytime I use a different computer than my own I'm reminded of how garish the internet is.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:40:13 PM »

firefox is a resource hog?

abrader · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:53:45 PM »

Quote from: bluemax on October 08, 2007, 03:24:54 PM

Does IE7 have Adblocking? The adblock extension is the only part of FF I could never live without. Anytime I use a different computer than my own I'm reminded of how garish the internet is.

I only get annoyed by ads when perving out to porn.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #30 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:05:17 PM »

yeah, ie7 has adblocking, and it is enabled by default.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #31 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:06:35 PM »

Quote from: abrader on October 08, 2007, 01:41:03 PM

Microsoft the good and the bad;

- Third and first party games on XBOX360 - EXCELLENT!

- Console hardware/OS - LOSE

- Desktop OS - LOSE

- MS Office - 'decent'

- MS DOS - 'hard to fukk that up'

- MS Windows - LOSE

- Internet Explorer - LOSE

inexperienced computer users commenting on shit they know very little about: LOSE

TVC15 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:07:35 PM »

I use the optimized builds of Firefox when I need to do web browsing on Mac, which isn't often. Camino is nice, but it's been lagging in features since the Firefox 2.0 release, which is really solid with the processor optimized builds, stable and with lots of neat extensions. I use IE7 most of the time. I'm a previous Firefox Windows user, too, but IE7 has no major problems. The only thing it's missing is extensions, of which I really only care about Greasemonkey.

I wish the IE folks would find a way to make Firefox extensions compatible with IE7 or something. Extensions are really the only big thing Firefox still has.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #33 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:08:07 PM »

Quote from: abrader on October 08, 2007, 03:10:34 PM

and thats just it really.

And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS.

i would love to know how you are able to determine this, seeing as you seem to be largely clueless about how oses work

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #34 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:10:29 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on October 08, 2007, 04:07:35 PM

I use the optimized builds of Firefox when I need to do web browsing on Mac, which isn't often. Camino is nice, but it's been lagging in features since the Firefox 2.0 release, which is really solid with the processor optimized builds, stable and with lots of neat extensions. I use IE7 most of the time. I'm a previous Firefox Windows user, too, but IE7 has no major problems. The only thing it's missing is extensions, of which I really only care about Greasemonkey.

I wish the IE folks would find a way to make Firefox extensions compatible with IE7 or something. Extensions are really the only big thing Firefox still has.

"extensions" are apparently the most requested feature for ie8, which will be beta real soon now

TVC15 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:12:25 PM »

Well, the introduction of them will have associated growing pains, as the devs learn to seal up the memory leaks and issues Firefox faced, too. I am glad the feature is coming, but hopefully the roughness isn't too rough.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #36 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:13:28 PM »

I dunno I have some cutting edge shit in my PC rigs and play more pc games than the lot of you and I dont seem to be crippled by 'vista issues'. Im pretty sure these issues exist, but most people tend to parrot issues rather than speak from what they have honestly had issues with.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:16:53 PM »

bobobobobo slashdot said vista has 3x the memory footprint of osx how this impacts me in these days where 2gb is standard i don't know but bobobobobobo agenda

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #38 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:22:18 PM »

Quote from: Cocky Funny on October 08, 2007, 04:13:28 PM

I dunno I have some cutting edge shit in my PC rigs and play more pc games than the lot of you and I dont seem to be crippled by 'vista issues'.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #39 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:42:13 PM »

ive used safari, and it sux

TVC15 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:46:37 PM »

Yeah, it does. I mean, it works decently enough that if I had to use it, I could, but the other options out there are really that much better. It is easily the worst major browser for OSX, and there are more browsers on OSX than there are in Windows. It lacks features, fails to render more pages correctly than anything else, and for an Apple product, it's even lacking in the style department.

Rman · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:55:52 PM »

Apparently many pundits believe Apple developed Safari for Windows for search revenue money. Google give Apple search revenue to Apple for including it as the default search engine in the upper right hand search area.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #42 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:56:11 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on October 08, 2007, 04:46:37 PM

Yeah, it does. I mean, it works decently enough that if I had to use it, I could, but the other options out there are really that much better. It is easily the worst major browser for OSX, and there are more browsers on OSX than there are in Windows. It lacks features, fails to render more pages correctly than anything else, and for an Apple product, it's even lacking in the style department.

That's really surprising to hear. Many journalists were proclaiming the death of IE on Windows because they claimed that Safari is so much more refined. I thought Safari was a pretty attracive browser but I didn't find it particularly innovative. I prefer to use IE over Firefox ever since IE supported tabs because IE seems to work more easily with multimedia content. What're the extensions that you guys use with Firefox? My Firefox is pretty bare-bones.

TVC15 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:04:34 PM »

Last I seriously used Firefox (I don't web browse on my Mac), I used Greasemonkey with a couple of scripts, and a skin, and a few other ones. Nothing really major. If I really had extensions that made browsing that much better, I would be using Firefox on Windows. As it stands, it is a nice feature, and there are some useful extensions, but none that change the game so much that I'd make Firefox my browser of choice.

RE: Safari. Safari is just as proprietary in its handling of HTML as IE is, which is one of the big Anti-IE bullet points that Firefox people use. This is why Safari renders so many pages incorrectly--many more than IE does. I am sure Safari got some props because it supported tabs before IE did, back when they were still a hot cutting edge feature.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #44 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:07:05 PM »

Looks like a pile of non-native ass on Windows to boot:

It's like itunes on windows, except even more pointless/crappier.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #45 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:08:56 PM »

To be fair iTUNES > Zune Store

TVC15 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:10:00 PM »

Quote from: Cocky Funny on October 08, 2007, 05:08:56 PM

To be fair iTUNES > Zune Store

Has there been any word on the Zune 2 software? Zune was a good first attempt at the market, but they need to roll that Zune software into WMP.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #47 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:10:52 PM »

I thought they just released the new Zune models, tho im not sure whats new about them. Id think if there was going to be a store upgrade it would be with new models. The current 'bin o greatest hits collections' is kinda lame and confusing.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #48 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:16:13 PM »

the zune software isn't bad from a design/interface perspective, although it rips iTunes wholesale. it's just outside of getting CREDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL'S GREATEST HITS VOL. 15 what the fuck do i do with it

abrader · « **Reply #49 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:59:49 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 08, 2007, 04:08:07 PM

Quote from: abrader on October 08, 2007, 03:10:34 PM
and thats just it really.

And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS.

i would love to know how you are able to determine this, seeing as you seem to be largely clueless about how oses work

No actually I know quite well.

Your constant trolling is boring. Go buy a poster or something.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #50 on:** October 08, 2007, 08:58:08 PM »

I like Intellisense and VS's integrated debugger, but other than that MS stuff is pretty lame. .NET is only about 40% better than Java, which means it's barely tolerable. At least they fund GHC development which is cool.

Mupepe · « **Reply #51 on:** October 08, 2007, 09:03:29 PM »

I like the Zune software better than Itunes personally.

Polari · « **Reply #52 on:** October 08, 2007, 09:11:31 PM »

Camino on OS X, Firefox despite all its flaws on anything else. Safari's pretty good on Mac, but even though I haven't used it on Windows, I can't imagine it's anything but a disaster. Webkit is fine, it's just Apple's distinguished mentally-challenged "UI and all" philosophy when it comes to putting OS X applications on Windows that sucks.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #53 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:08:56 PM »

Quote from: abrader on October 08, 2007, 05:59:49 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 08, 2007, 04:08:07 PM
Quote from: abrader on October 08, 2007, 03:10:34 PM
and thats just it really.

And even then XP doesnt compete with mac OS.

i would love to know how you are able to determine this, seeing as you seem to be largely clueless about how oses work

No actually I know quite well.

good, then you'll be able to share why osx is superior to xp in practical terms

abrader · « **Reply #54 on:** October 09, 2007, 05:55:04 AM »

All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....

/thread

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demi · « **Reply #55 on:** October 09, 2007, 07:15:57 AM »

brawndolicious · « **Reply #56 on:** October 09, 2007, 07:17:26 AM »

I think abrader would get along with wobe.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #57 on:** October 09, 2007, 11:18:45 AM »

this thread brings the lolz

bud · « **Reply #58 on:** October 09, 2007, 11:23:03 AM »

i want to put my fist in his mouth

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #59 on:** October 09, 2007, 11:58:31 AM »

Quote from: abrader on October 09, 2007, 05:55:04 AM

All I gotta say - my macs are unix boxes.....

/thread

<3

as a bsd and irix sysadmin and developer for over four years, i can fairly claim expertise when comparing oses. you, on the other hand, have no such experience: you're just parroting talking points from slashdot. get outta my os discussion, nub.

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