Typically American: Why was the worst britpop band the one to catch on here?

[TVC15]

I mean Oasis, of course. 

Between Radiohead, Blur, Manic Street Preachers, and Pulp, all routinely killing shit, why was it Oasis?  WHY?  Aside from the general stupidity of the young American audience.

[MrAngryFace]

All of Oasis' songs sound the same. I prefer Keane cause they tried something different with their second CD and it was actually better than their first as in NO EMO

[Mr. Gundam]

Oasis sounds safe. Blur was extremely varied in their output, and Pulp and the Manics were just TOO BRITISH.

[Van Cruncheon]

i kinda liked blur :'(

[MrAngryFace]

Blur was a lot of fun

[TVC15]

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It's like Duran Duran had sex with awesome chavs!

[Van Cruncheon]

mmm, chavs

[Mr. Gundam]

i kinda liked blur :'(

Oh, don't get me wrong. I LOVE BLUR. LOVE THE MANICS. AND I FUCKING LOVE JARVIS AND PULP AND COMPANY MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF. They just didn't resonate with Americans for many reasons. The main one that they were just too British, while Oasis took the safe route and made music that was easily accessible to mainstream audiences worldwide.

I've seen Blur and Pulp live, I wish the Manics would come back :-(

[MrAngryFace]

im goin bed

[TakingBackSunday]

Blur is cool.

But again, I do like Champagne Supernova cause I'm gay.

[TVC15]

I can do the big Oasis singles. I'll cop to that.  Outside of the singles, though, I think the only band worse with filler material that sounds too similar is Smashing Pumpkins (sorry distant!  Not trolling, I swear!)

[TakingBackSunday]

Agreed.  I had Morning Glory in my car the other day and I just found myself going from Hello to Wonderwall to Champagne Supernova.  That's about it honestly.

I'd also like to raise this point (as I'm assuming we're coming from that same gaf thread):  Is Pink Floyd really as good as ever seemingly drugged out teenager says they are?  Honestly, I never understood the love they get.  I guess I can understand their contribution to rock, but honestly the way I see Pink Floyd is about the same way I view how the white trash America rocks out to Skynard and Halen.  Pink Floyd is much better than both, I know, but I just can't stand all this "DSOTM, OMG" talk.

[TVC15]

DSOTM has some killer tunes.  The first 5 minutes of the album is great.  Great Gig in the Sky and Time are great.  Brain Damage and Eclipse are pretty great.  But really, if you can't dig the (pretty remarkable) production the album has, I can understand not digging it.

The only Floyd albums I could probably tolerate these days are Animals and Wish You Were Here, but they are both 20 minute space jam albums, again, not a field of music for everyone.  I have always found The Wall somewhat overwrought, but there are some good songs in there, and I don't mean Another Brick in the Wall.  What makes those particular songs difficult to recommend is that you really have to listen to the album as a cohesive, single piece, and that takes like 80 minutes, not all of them great.  The middle of disc 1 is probably the best part, but I can understand not appreciating the tunes without digging the slowish build from the beginning of the album.  After that bit, the album get famously dull for like. . .20 minutes or more, until Comfortably Numb comes in, and the whole rest is all good.

But for the most part?  Yeah, it's spectacle stoner rock.  But not without its angels.  You could do a lot worse than Pink Floyd.

And Van Halen was purty good up until 1984 or so.  Not a perfect run, but a lot of good rock music in there.  Again, you can do a lot worse out of early 80s rock bands.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm not denying that they are very good musicians and writers, and I have listened to Dark Side a couple times.  It just seems like people say they love Dark Side and Pink Floyd for the sake of saying they like Dark side and Pink Floyd.  Comfortably Numb, Great Gig in the Sky, and Shine on You Crazy Diamond is about as much Floyd I can handle.

Comfortably Numb's solo is indeed fucking awesome.  Easy too!

[The Fake Shemp]

How is Oasis more popular than Radiohead?  This sounds totally anecdotal.

[TVC15]

Oasis has sold a shitload more albums than Radiohead.  Like, a ton.  Radiohead are popular amongst hipsters, but their record sales aren't impressive on the big boards.  Radiohead has sold maybe 10-15 million records, Oasis has sold closer to 50 million.

Their best selling album in the US is OKC, at 2 million.  Kid A and Amnesiac sold about 1.3 million each.  Hail to the Thief didn't even go platinum.  Radiohead is the Ron Paul of popular music:  not that popular in reality.

[brawndolicious]

Oasis used to be really popular among the n-sync type people I think.

[TVC15]

What's the Story Morning Glory sold 19 million albums, probably more than Radiohead has sold total.  How is Oasis more popular than Radiohead. . .hahahaha!

[drozmight]

Champagne SUPER NOVA IN THE SYREeee!

[VALIS]

I'd also like to raise this point (as I'm assuming we're coming from that same gaf thread):  Is Pink Floyd really as good as ever seemingly drugged out teenager says they are?  Honestly, I never understood the love they get.  I guess I can understand their contribution to rock, but honestly the way I see Pink Floyd is about the same way I view how the white trash America rocks out to Skynard and Halen.  Pink Floyd is much better than both, I know, but I just can't stand all this "DSOTM, OMG" talk.

What point? I don't see any actual criticism of the band there, just bitching about people.

[The Fake Shemp]

What's the Story Morning Glory sold 19 million albums

Stateside?

[CajoleJuice]

I like (What's the Story) Morning Glory?

Although, it was my dad, not me, that contributed to that album's sales. Also, Pablo Honey was the first Radiohead album I listened to because of him.

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And I like it.

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And Willco, it has sold over 4 million in both the UK and the US.

And also, TVC, isn't Oasis more popular (or used to be more popular) than those other bands in the UK as well? It's not just Americans. Modern-day equivalent: Coldplay.

[bud]

i was never into blur, but this song is awesome.
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coldplay > oasis

[CajoleJuice]

I knew that'd be Song 2.

[Human Snorenado]

I blame Meier and people like him.

[BlueTsunami]

I'm not denying that they are very good musicians and writers, and I have listened to Dark Side a couple times.  It just seems like people say they love Dark Side and Pink Floyd for the sake of saying they like Dark side and Pink Floyd.  Comfortably Numb, Great Gig in the Sky, and Shine on You Crazy Diamond is about as much Floyd I can handle.

Comfortably Numb's solo is indeed fucking awesome.  Easy too!

Dark Side of the Moon is just the tip of the awesome Iceberg that is Pink Floyd. If you ever meet a self professed Floyd fan that just rants on about DSOTM its because hes not really a Pink Floyd fan! He probably heard "Money" or "Comfortably Numb" on the Radio and used his yokel Purple Hippo low priced PC to download the album.

Cajole knows where its at, Animal > DSOTM, The Wall > DSOTM!

[CajoleJuice]

You remembered that I love Animals?

But yea, I agree with TVC. Animals and WYWH are their best. Easily.

[TVC15]

What's the Story Morning Glory sold 19 million albums

Stateside?

What does it matter?  One Oasis album, worldwide, has outsold the entire Radiohead catalog worldwide.  It's a fair comparison.  Radiohead's last album didn't even go plat on either side of the Atlantic.  Oasis's last album went triple platinum.

Also, yes, Oasis is still popular in the UK, but I think that has as much to do as outliving their competition, largely.  And also not being a particularly adventurous band.

[border]

Bleh, the 90's were just a time when a few flash-in-the-pan acts went on to sell inexplicably record setting numbers, then never be heard from again.  Hootie & the Blowfish....Alanis Morissette....

[TVC15]

Alanis is another artist that has sold more albums than the entire Radiohead catalog with one album!

[Nick]

I think they're all shit, personally.  Blur is the only band I can't stand for more than a day or so.  Radiohead have an album and a half worth of good music.  Oasis has and always will be terrible. 

Let's talk about the Kooks.

[Nick]

I've never listened to this "Manic Street Preachers", but I think Pulp is overrated shit.

[Phoenix Dark]

What's the Story Morning Glory sold 19 million albums

Stateside?

How does it matter lol; Where once Oasis was the brit band that took all the fame and moneys, it's now Coldplay 

btw I'm loving In Rainbows. What Radiohead album should I download next? I've heard OK Computer already

[Smooth Groove]

Oasis was popular because its members were dickheads that US teeens with attitude could identify with. 

[bud]

I think they're all shit, personally.  Blur is the only band I can't stand for more than a day or so.  Radiohead have an album and a half worth of good music.  Oasis has and always will be terrible. 

Let's talk about the Kooks.

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[Eel O'Brian]

Western Swing is where it's at

[DJ_Tet]

This topic is depressing.  I can't believe What's the Story, Shitty Album has sold more copies than every radiohead album combined.  I mean, is there a more accessible and mainstream album than The Bends?  I find it hard to believe OK Computer has sold more than The Bends, regardless, both should have trounced every shitty Oasis album.  Go cry some more you pussy ass brits and claim you aren't stealing beatle riffs, fucking wankers.

[Mr. Gundam]

I've never listened to this "Manic Street Preachers", but I think Pulp is overrated shit.

I think you're overrated shit.

Disrespecting Pulp? Thems fightin' words, boy!

 

[tiesto]

I like some britpop... Pulp, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys... Pink Floyd is fucking awesome, a band so ahead of their time - a MAJOR influence on ambient/downtempo (The Orb was greatly inspired by them), and "On The Run" is like proto-trance.

[Powerslave]

I notice how British bands are totally awesome.

Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Supertramp.

je bent de enige met smaak hier.

[The Fake Shemp]

What does it matter?  One Oasis album, worldwide, has outsold the entire Radiohead catalog worldwide.  It's a fair comparison.  Radiohead's last album didn't even go plat on either side of the Atlantic.  Oasis's last album went triple platinum.

Because your entire argument was why did Oasis catch on here, with that location being the United States of America.  I'm asking, of the two bands, who has a larger cumulative sales total in the States?

[TVC15]

What does it matter?  One Oasis album, worldwide, has outsold the entire Radiohead catalog worldwide.  It's a fair comparison.  Radiohead's last album didn't even go plat on either side of the Atlantic.  Oasis's last album went triple platinum.

Because your entire argument was why did Oasis catch on here, with that location being the United States of America.  I'm asking, of the two bands, who has a larger cumulative sales total in the States?

Oasis, pretty easily, too.  They have 3 albums that sold more than Radiohead's best-selling album here.  Again, your point?

[Bloodwake]

What's the Story Morning Glory sold 19 million albums, probably more than Radiohead has sold total.  How is Oasis more popular than Radiohead. . .hahahaha!

That's a fucked up realization.

[xnikki118x]

Oasis used to be really popular among the n-sync type people I think.

IIRC, Oasis was WAY WAY WAY before *NSYNC. *NSYNC hit it big in the U.S. in 1998, and in Europe a year or two before. ...Morning Glory was released way earlier.

Alanis is another artist that has sold more albums than the entire Radiohead catalog with one album!

Because Jagged Little Pill is a fantastic album no matter how you slice it.

This topic is depressing.  I can't believe What's the Story, Shitty Album has sold more copies than every radiohead album combined.  I mean, is there a more accessible and mainstream album than The Bends?  I find it hard to believe OK Computer has sold more than The Bends, regardless, both should have trounced every shitty Oasis album.  Go cry some more you pussy ass brits and claim you aren't stealing beatle riffs, fucking wankers.

I was thinking the same thing about The Bends. I would assume OK Computer would have sold more, but I would have thought The Bends sold a lot more than Kid A and Hail to the Theif.

[brawndolicious]

IIRC, Oasis was WAY WAY WAY before *NSYNC. *NSYNC hit it big in the U.S. in 1998, and in Europe a year or two before. ...Morning Glory was released way earlier.

I know, Nsync was very late 90's and Oasis was early 90's.  They just seem like they would be liked by the same type of people.

[xnikki118x]

IIRC, Oasis was WAY WAY WAY before *NSYNC. *NSYNC hit it big in the U.S. in 1998, and in Europe a year or two before. ...Morning Glory was released way earlier.

I know, Nsync was very late 90's and Oasis was early 90's.  They just seem like they would be liked by the same type of people.

I respectfully disagree. The early 90's music akin to *NSYNC was New Kids on the Block and then, later, Boyz II Men. I'm a sort of boyband authority because I liked a lot of them.

Although the typical fan age for such bands is probably around 14, so unless you were a really young fan of NKOTB and an older fan of *NSYNC, you probably weren't like obsessed with both bands. I liked NKOTB, but I was born in '85, so I was younger when they were popular. I loved Boyz II Men but I didn't know the names of the guys or anything, I just loved all their albums. I was just the right age to be obsessed with *NSYNC.

[brawndolicious]

I was born 88, I just hated all of them.

[xnikki118x]

I was born 88, I just hated all of them.

You're a boy, it's different.

I bet you liked, say, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears (before she went crazy).

[TVC15]

This topic is depressing.  I can't believe What's the Story, Shitty Album has sold more copies than every radiohead album combined.  I mean, is there a more accessible and mainstream album than The Bends?  I find it hard to believe OK Computer has sold more than The Bends, regardless, both should have trounced every shitty Oasis album.  Go cry some more you pussy ass brits and claim you aren't stealing beatle riffs, fucking wankers.

I was thinking the same thing about The Bends. I would assume OK Computer would have sold more, but I would have thought The Bends sold a lot more than Kid A and Hail to the Theif.

In the US, this is the order in which the Radiohead albums sold:

OK Computer > Pablo Honey > Kid A and Amnesiac (they sold about the same amount, Kid A a wee bit more) > HTTF > The Bends

Yes, their best album. . .sold the worst in the US.  And yes, Pablo Honey is their second best selling album.

[brawndolicious]

You're a boy, it's different.
I bet you liked, say, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears (before she went crazy).

I think I was a backstreet boys fan.  I didn't even pay attention to who they were.  somebody asks me what I like, I say backstreet boys.  I didn't even know the names of any of their songs.

I always got confused which one justin timberlake was on.  I think I called him a cigarillo and backed that up a few times.

[Ichirou]

Uhm, did you know the Backstreet Boys were all sexually molested by their manager, right?  So was Justin Timberlake, apparently.  That's probably how he got them to hit those high notes, come to think of it.

[TVC15]

Uhm, did you know the Backstreet Boys were all sexually by their manager, right?  So was Justin Timberlake, apparently.  That's probably how he got them to hit those high notes, come to think of it.

Has anyone from a big-name band ever come forward about that?  I thought the people that had come forward were all nobodies.  Not saying it didn't happen, and even if Justin's skittle was diddled, I wouldn't expect him to publicly (or even in sealed court records) admit it, since it would, well, make him the biggest joke ever in high schools and shit.

[Ichirou]

Nick Carter's mom has been quoted saying he tried some funny shit with her son.

[TVC15]

But doesn't he live off of reality TV, basically?  Getting molested would mean big ratings.  Especially if it was on air.

[xnikki118x]

In the US, this is the order in which the Radiohead albums sold:

OK Computer > Pablo Honey > Kid A and Amnesiac (they sold about the same amount, Kid A a wee bit more) > HTTF > The Bends

Yes, their best album. . .sold the worst in the US.  And yes, Pablo Honey is their second best selling album.

I've never even heard Pablo Honey. Or Amnesiac, actually. I'm a very casual fan.

You're a boy, it's different.
I bet you liked, say, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears (before she went crazy).

I think I was a backstreet boys fan.  I didn't even pay attention to who they were.  somebody asks me what I like, I say backstreet boys.  I didn't even know the names of any of their songs.

I always got confused which one justin timberlake was on.  I think I called him a cigarillo and backed that up a few times.

I liked BSB, too, but I was "loyal" to *NSYNC. You weren't really allowed to LOVE them both, lol. My best friend liked BSB more. Justin was from *NSYNC.

Uhm, did you know the Backstreet Boys were all sexually molested by their manager, right?  So was Justin Timberlake, apparently.

Lou Pearlman. He and Transcontinental Records basically pioneered all the popular boy bands. BSB and *NSYNC both left him after they hit it really really big. I don't remember which band it was (or if it was both at different times) but there was some really nasty court and money stuff going on.

Has anyone from a big-name band ever come forward about that?  I thought the people that had come forward were all nobodies.  Not saying it didn't happen, and even if Justin's skittle was diddled, I wouldn't expect him to publicly (or even in sealed court records) admit it, since it would, well, make him the biggest joke ever in high schools and shit.

I agree.

Nick Carter's mom has been quoted saying he tried some funny shit with her son.

From what I understand of that woman though, she basically exploits her children and I'll take anything she says with a grain of salt. That said, Pearlman supposedly had sleepovers and stuff with the boys in the bands. The youngest guys (Nick Carter and Justin Timberlake) were seriously 14 and 15 when they were first starting out, so there's something seriously wrong with that.

[Ichirou]

But doesn't he live off of reality TV, basically?  Getting molested would mean big ratings.  Especially if it was on air.

Yeah, but he also has this image of macho guy that he needs to keep.  I mean, he beat the shit out of his little brother in one of his reality TV shows.

Come to think of it, Pearlman probably molested the little bro as well.

I think it probably happened.  The odd thing is, the manager/creator of Menudo was also accused of doing the same thing, and he was actually arrested/convicted for it, as I recall.  Ricky Martin got raped.

What is it about these boy band managers? Sickos.

[TVC15]

You know, I would have no problem getting molested if it meant fame and power.  Even like, VH1 reality TV fame and power.  Yes, I would get raped in order to be the white flava flav.

So pervy producers, come and get some.  I'm not getting any younger.  I am 26 so I only have a few good molestin' years left.

[brawndolicious]

Nick Carter's mom has been quoted saying he tried some funny shit with her son.

Yeah, and then there was the whole thing with Pearlman getting arrested in Thaiwan I believe for propositioning a 14 year old male.  I wouldn't put it past JT to give a back massage for a million.

I liked BSB, too, but I was "loyal" to *NSYNC. You weren't really allowed to LOVE them both, lol. My best friend liked BSB more. Justin was from *NSYNC.*
From what I understand of that woman though, she basically exploits her children and I'll take anything she says with a grain of salt. That said, Pearlman supposedly had sleepovers and stuff with the boys in the bands. The youngest guys (Nick Carter and Justin Timberlake) were seriously 14 and 15 when they were first starting out, so there's something seriously wrong with that.

yeah I remember that whole you're not allowed to like both of them thing.  I don't get how music got to that point.

From what I understand of that woman though, she basically exploits her children and I'll take anything she says with a grain of salt. That said, Pearlman supposedly had sleepovers and stuff with the boys in the bands. The youngest guys (Nick Carter and Justin Timberlake) were seriously 14 and 15 when they were first starting out, so there's something seriously wrong with that.

you got to have some pretty big problems for your own son, aaron carter, to sue you at like 14.