Author Topic: Has there ever been a console as hated as the wii? (Read 11391 times)

Shuri · « **on:** October 14, 2007, 02:22:30 AM »

I don't know if it's me reading too much gaming forums, but the only times people really mention the wii in a good light is when people talk about sales numbers. The VAST majority of comments from owners are completly negatives. Also do you guys even remember seeing those kind negative articles from the gaming press about gaming devs hating having to work on the wii ever being published about previous consoles? I've never seen a console with so many owners (myself included) talking or posting about how the console has been gathering dust for several months. People never talk about the games themselves, or when the do, it's usually wii fit, mario galaxy and smash bro. The rest of the lineup is completly ignored (for valid reasons in most cases).

It's weird how the wii is doing so well with sales but is getting slammed so much for real serious issues. It's gotten really bad in the past months. There was a thread about game devs discussing how the wii buble was about to burst on GAF, and all people kept saying was how hw sales were great yet completly ignoring how low software sales are. People arent buying the games at all. I knew quite a few people in real life who own wiis now; and they all got the same opinion -- outside of wii sports, they dont give a fuck about any other games out there. I wonder if its going to be a real problem later on for the wii.

One thing for sure, Nintendo has done an awesome marketing job on this. People are buying them, but eh, it's hard to ignore that the software lineup is total garbage for the most part. The next few years are going to be interesting I think..

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:31:55 AM »

i took that tim rogers thread to the fuckin' stratosphere. jesus, i'm even quoting the old testament, now, but the wii defense brigade trudges grimly on

demi · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:38:06 AM »

That's what happens when you stunt growth

MCD · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:41:06 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 14, 2007, 02:31:55 AM

i took that tim rogers thread to the fuckin' stratosphere. jesus, i'm even quoting the old testament, now, but the wii defense brigade trudges grimly on

thank you for taking the time to write that up though, some people there need some guidance, lulz.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:44:26 AM »

it's the humorlessness that gets me. console wars are such stern affairs!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:46:53 AM »

I'm sure the PS3 would be slammed just as much if the GAF mods would let it slide.

But yeah, the Wii is like meeting a chick from the internet. For months you talk to her, see great pics, etc. Then comes the day when you finally meet her and she cuts your dick off and uses your taint as a goate.

MCD · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:49:32 AM »

True but at least while you were away, someone served them good

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8211972&postcount=350

"Just rolled off your mom. Took me awhile to get over the rolls, but here I am! And guess what? Nintendo has fucked the hardcore harder than I just fucked your mom."

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:52:36 AM »

i believe "pazuzu" is actually mr. rogers

TVC15 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:53:05 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 02:46:53 AM

I'm sure the PS3 would be slammed just as much if the GAF mods would let it slide.

But yeah, the Wii is like meeting a chick from the internet. For months you talk to her, see great pics, etc. Then comes the day when you finally meet her and she cuts your dick off and uses your taint as a goate.

The PS3, believe it or not, does have good aspects. The Wii has all of its bad aspects, and then some.

The only thing the Wii has over the PS3 is price, but the Wii is overpriced for what you get.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:54:47 AM »

yeah, on some level, i accept the ps3 despite its weak-ass library. eventually, my $600 will be justified. i hold no such opinion of the wii.

Synbios459 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:58:36 AM »

I'm pretty sure the 3DO, and the Jaguar were hated more.

Synbios459 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2007, 02:59:29 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 14, 2007, 02:54:47 AM

yeah, on some level, i accept the ps3 despite its weak-ass library. eventually, my $600 will be justified. i hold no such opinion of the wii.

Think about it, no one was able to justify their $700 on the 3DO.

MCD · « **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:01:18 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 14, 2007, 02:52:36 AM

i believe "pazuzu" is actually mr. rogers

...

, love you professor.

And about the Wii, i love it same as i loved my Gamecube, in other words...

it's mostly Nintendo 1st party games (Mario, Mario, Mario) with some 3rd parties added in for the extra fun, but this time, there is no RE0/1 or RE4 as timed exclusive, and i am not sure how will MH help Nintendo.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #13 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:02:04 AM »

fuck you, flipper. star control 2 on the 3do was worth that thrice over.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:03:49 AM »

What good aspects does the PS3 have? To date nothing released for the PS3 has justified a $600 rape

The same can be said of the Wii; not one game released thus far is worth buying a system over. Yeah I want Mario, but not enough to spend $300. 2008 looks even worse to me. Another Mario Kart. Another Mario Party. Another Brain Training.

TVC15 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:04:18 AM »

Star Control 2 is one of the 10 best games ever

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #16 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:06:29 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:03:49 AM

What good aspects does the PS3 have? To date nothing released for the PS3 has justified a $600 rape

upscaling backwards compatibility. decent media center functionality. high hardware reliability. and, like the 360, hd-era graphics and processing. i'm one of the biggest ps3 bashers on the internet, but i bought one because it DOES have potential.

MCD · « **Reply #17 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:08:18 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:03:49 AM

What good aspects does the PS3 have? To date nothing released for the PS3 has justified a $600 rape

The same can be said of the Wii; not one game released thus far is worth buying a system over. Yeah I want Mario, but not enough to spend $300. 2008 looks even worse to me. Another Mario Kart. Another Mario Party. Another Brain Training.

Yup, same mario games all over again, sure they ain't bad or anything, but ain't worth it.

and...how do we get this awesome Star Control 2 on my xbox live arcade?

TVC15 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:10:06 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:03:49 AM

What good aspects does the PS3 have? To date nothing released for the PS3 has justified a $600 rape

The same can be said of the Wii; not one game released thus far is worth buying a system over. Yeah I want Mario, but not enough to spend $300. 2008 looks even worse to me. Another Mario Kart. Another Mario Party. Another Brain Training.

You said it all right there. The Wii has the same problem, except worse.

Good traits? There have been a few good games, more than on the Wii at least. The hardware, though without a clear zinger, has shown intimations of being really good in the right hands. Free online is good, although the download speeds aren't optimum. They have gotten better with getting content online, and the downloadable games they do get are typically pretty great or unique. Sharing games is awesome. Not everyone will agree, but I think the XMB is just about the best dash there is.

If you want to get iffier, the hardware design would have been considered ambitious and admirable had there not been a paradigm shift in PC processors just prior to release. The Wii hardware would have been considered ambitious and admirable, well, like 7 years ago. Sony also has a better library for BC. Remember, I am in my "iffier" paragraph. PS3 also doesn't force its wretched waggle controls on everyone. The promising games on PS3 are also not as same ol' same ol' as on the Wii, but we have to recall that this is gaming, and nobody is as original as they could be.

In the things I hate to say category: Blu Ray support is nice, too. HD in general is awesome, and Nintendo has lost the game there.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:10:27 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 14, 2007, 03:06:29 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:03:49 AM
What good aspects does the PS3 have? To date nothing released for the PS3 has justified a $600 rape

upscaling backwards compatibility. decent media center functionality. high hardware reliability. and, like the 360, hd-era graphics and processing. i'm one of the biggest ps3 bashers on the internet, but i bought one because it DOES have potential.

The 360 gives me a lot of that stuff, but more importantly if offers the games. I will admit I played Folklore for more than an hour yesterday, and it was fun, BUT I still must ask "where are the games?" I can't think of a PS3 game I'd buy the system to play.

MCD · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:11:30 AM »

btw TVC 15, did you see the 360 Arcade SKU? decent deal if you want a cheap 360 with HDMI.

TVC15 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:12:52 AM »

Quote from: McDragon on October 14, 2007, 03:11:30 AM

btw TVC 15, did you see the 360 Arcade SKU? decent deal if you want a cheap 360 with HDMI.

Nice. My plan is still to ride my 360 out until it is thoroughly dead, and then evaluate options. They seem to be releasing new SKUs pretty frequently, so if I could hold out for like another 6 months, who knows what the deal will be.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:16:11 AM »

you want a Jasper SKU, anyhow, with the 65nm Xenos. i'mma send my 360 up the river when those bad boys come out.

TVC15 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:17:04 AM »

Are there any other big 360 games this year that I am forgetting? Assassin's Creed, right? Mass Erect.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #24 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:17:39 AM »

My problem with the Wii is simple. If you're going to force me to use waggle, at least convince me it's worth it. I don't want to simulate giving handjobs while playing RE4, which has more than enough gay subtext as is. So far most of the game mechanics seem thrown on. Nintendo certainly isn't helping the matter considering there's not one blueprint title that shows everyone how it's supposed to be done. I'm not saying Nintendogs was a good game, but at least it showed much of the DS's potential. Where's that type of game for the Wii? Wii Sports? Seems like Nintendo and most third party developers are simply bankrupt of compelling ideas for the controller. It's clearly on the path of the DS's "map screen".

MCD · « **Reply #25 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:18:22 AM »

You might see more bundles or a further price, but the hardware won't change till next August.

AKA the Jasper board (65nm ATI GPU + smaller memory chips), all this shit is of course according to Dean T. here.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/10/xbox_360_secrets_after_falcon_comes_jasper.html

demi · « **Reply #26 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:18:46 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on October 14, 2007, 03:17:04 AM

Are there any other big 360 games this year that I am forgetting? Assassin's Creed, right? Mass Erect.

Viva Pinata Party Animals

MCD · « **Reply #27 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:19:27 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on October 14, 2007, 03:17:04 AM

Are there any other big 360 games this year that I am forgetting? Assassin's Creed, right? Mass Erect.

COD4? unless you prefer PC/PS3 version?

and what demi said.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:20:50 AM »

i'll be trading my ps3 vf5 in for credit on the wholly superior 360 version

my only regret is that sega isn't packaging mondain's bitter tears with it

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #29 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:22:32 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 14, 2007, 03:16:11 AM

you want a Jasper SKU, anyhow, with the 65nm Xenos. i'mma send my 360 up the river when those bad boys come out.

My BB extended warranty expires July 2008, and my 360 will expire around June (if it doesn't actually do so beforehand).

Ichirou · « **Reply #30 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:23:19 AM »

Y'know, even I'm tempted to defend the Wii, just to disagree with that idiot Tim Rogers, but you're right.

The Wii is a joke amongst more dedicated gamers, and compared to the 360 and the PS3, it is such a HUGE step backwards that it has helped stunt the growth of next gen, just like demi says...if nothing else, it will have the effect of creating a lot of multi-console titles that are graphically/technologically deficient just so they can be easy to port to the Wii.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #31 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:24:15 AM »

I hope Demi enjoys that Wii. I really do.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #32 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:26:03 AM »

I dunno Ichi, the PS3's failure gives developers an excuse to continue supporting the PS2 - which will allow for PS2 to Wii ports.

bdoughty · « **Reply #33 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:26:27 AM »

The console I can live with. The owners of the wii, a whole different ball of wax.

Why no wii version?
Wii version definitive version?
Sports gamers will flock to wii!

TVC15 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:27:34 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on October 14, 2007, 03:24:15 AM

I hope Demi enjoys that Wii. I really do.

He's not distinguished mentally-challenged, dude.

Ichirou · « **Reply #35 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:27:56 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:26:03 AM

I dunno Ichi, the PS3's failure gives developers an excuse to continue supporting the PS2 - which will allow for PS2 to Wii ports.

Ugh, yeah, I remember that as soon as Atlus announced they were going to bring some new PS2 games in '08, the thread turned into "WHY NOT JUST PORT THEM TO THE WII!?"

Ugh

ugh

ugh

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #36 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:29:39 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on October 14, 2007, 03:27:34 AM

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on October 14, 2007, 03:24:15 AM
I hope Demi enjoys that Wii. I really do.

He's not distinguished mentally-challenged, dude.

His purchase puts your statement in doubt

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TVC15 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:30:18 AM »

Oh, also, one of the biggest problems with the Wii: The Wiimote has the worst button layout. In. post-NES. History.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #38 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:31:56 AM »

Yeah, it's not very thumb friendly

MCD · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:32:56 AM »

I hate the C button on the nunchuck, Z is enough.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #40 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:33:28 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on October 14, 2007, 03:27:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:26:03 AM
I dunno Ichi, the PS3's failure gives developers an excuse to continue supporting the PS2 - which will allow for PS2 to Wii ports.

Ugh, yeah, I remember that as soon as Atlus announced they were going to bring some new PS2 games in '08, the thread turned into "WHY NOT JUST PORT THEM TO THE WII!?"

Ugh

ugh

ugh

Why not? The Wii is more powerful and um easier to develop for cuz you know the PS3 is like so expensive which means that Atlus has to switch to the Wii right CrushDance?

I miss that thread

Ichirou · « **Reply #41 on:** October 14, 2007, 03:44:25 AM »

CrushDance is really dumb. :/

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:23:47 AM »

Wow .. no mention of the 32x.

3DO fanboys were kind of sad. Once the Saturn and PS1 were released, they kind of realized they had a dead machine so they pinned all their hopes on the M2. Which was supposed to be some super alien technology that would revolutionize gaming .. and all to be had for less than 300 dollars. Vaporware.

Diehard Jag fans were just Minter fanbois that would end every arguement with "bu bu bu Tempest 2000 justifies my purchase". So, it was kind of ridiculous to even bother.

Sadly, I've been trolling forums for that long.

TVC15 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:32:05 AM »

The thing is, 3DO, Jaguar, and 32x were all clearly going to be failures. No possible way they would have made a dent. The Wii, while being at a similar level of laughable, is a success. That is why the current situation blows so much ass.

Ichirou · « **Reply #44 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:53:43 AM »

32X wasn't even a stand-alone console, it was an add-on. I don't think it qualifies, but if it did it would be one of my most-hated. It definitely played a big part in the demise of Sega as a console manufacturer.

TVC15 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:01:18 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on October 14, 2007, 04:53:43 AM

32X wasn't even a stand-alone console, it was an add-on. I don't think it qualifies, but if it did it would be one of my most-hated. It definitely played a big part in the demise of Sega as a console manufacturer.

Well, I threw in 32x just because it's a contrast to the Sega CD, which while laughable now, was something of a question mark when it was in development, and even shortly after released. After its failure, it was obvious the 3sx would face a similar fate.

Ichirou · « **Reply #46 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:07:19 AM »

Sega CD wasn't really a failure. It was profitable for Sega and there were a number of truly classic games for it: Dark Wizard, Lunar, Lunar 2, Snatcher, Vay, Popful Mail, Final Fight CD, Sonic CD, Shining Force CD, Keio Flying Squadron...it sold 6 million units, remarkably well for an add-on. It had tons of shovelware, tho.

TVC15 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:19:51 AM »

Well, yeah, it wasn't a failure, but I am sure it's not the success Sega wanted.

Himu · « **Reply #48 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:33:31 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:10:27 AM

Quote from: Professor Prole on October 14, 2007, 03:06:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2007, 03:03:49 AM
What good aspects does the PS3 have? To date nothing released for the PS3 has justified a $600 rape

upscaling backwards compatibility. decent media center functionality. high hardware reliability. and, like the 360, hd-era graphics and processing. i'm one of the biggest ps3 bashers on the internet, but i bought one because it DOES have potential.
(Image removed from quote.)

The 360 gives me a lot of that stuff, but more importantly if offers the games. I will admit I played Folklore for more than an hour yesterday, and it was fun, BUT I still must ask "where are the games?" I can't think of a PS3 game I'd buy the system to play.

Sigh.

Ratchet and Clank
Infamous
Metal Gear Solid 4
Super Stardust HD
Uncharted
Everyday Shooter
Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Resistance
White Knight Story

off the top of my head.

The whole "ps3 doesn't have games coming out lol" is so early 2007. Get with the times lol. PS3 has just as many interesting new games coming out for than 360 imo, and they'd go together wonderfully.

Vizzys · « **Reply #49 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:36:09 AM »

Quote from: Himuro on October 14, 2007, 05:33:31 AM

Sigh.

Ratchet and Clank
Infamous
Metal Gear Solid 4
Super Stardust HD
Uncharted
Everyday Shooter
Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Resistance
White Knight Story

off the top of my head.

The whole "ps3 doesn't have games coming out lol" is so early 2007. Get with the times lol. PS3 has just as many interesting new games coming out for than 360 imo, and they'd go together wonderfully.

I thought you were a sega fanboy

damn you

Himu · « **Reply #50 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:38:15 AM »

huh? i love sony too. my only beef with ps3 was the LACK OF GAMES, much less the price (which i know would go down some day).

ps2 is the best system ever. now that ps3 has got games coming out it's on my good list. my bud lemme borrow his ps3 and i played everyday shooter allllll day.

the only reason i've ever trolled ps3 was to piss off the die hard ps3 fans who bought a 600 dollar console when it DIDN'T have worth while games out or on the way, and actually thought games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, or whatever would be viable game purchases.

Vizzys · « **Reply #51 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:39:58 AM »

You should buy one.

Himu · « **Reply #52 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:40:23 AM »

i'm getting me a ps3 next year. hopefully it'll still have bc.

Ichirou · « **Reply #53 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:52:59 AM »

Quote from: Himuro on October 14, 2007, 05:40:23 AM

i'm getting me a ps3 next year. hopefully it'll still have bc.

Ditto. I'm gonna look for one of the 60 GB units before they disappear.

TVC15 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:57:47 AM »

Yeah, I do not regret my PS3 purchase at all. MS seems to like offering new, neat SKUs, wehreas Sony's SKUs strip features. So getting in early was good on that one, too, if things like BC matter to you.

Vizzys · « **Reply #55 on:** October 14, 2007, 05:59:41 AM »

Persona 3 is the game seeing the most time on my PS3

Ichirou · « **Reply #56 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:02:06 AM »

BC matters to me, especially since I'm going to get a nice HDTV when I move back home, and I like the whole upscaling feature.

I'm also definitely going to get a 360 but I'm waiting until they fix some of its overheating problems.

TVC15 · « **Reply #57 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:06:55 AM »

I am digging folklore

Himu · « **Reply #58 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:07:22 AM »

I need fucking bc. if i miss out on bc on my ps3 I will be PISSED.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #59 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:11:54 AM »

I don't get it, PS3 and wii owners both don't have a lot to love currently (unless they got the system for a few games) but people really go into distinguished mentally-challenged, nintendo-bashing fantasy mode when they talk about wii. yes, there aren't many games that use waggle well. I'm sure when the first flight simulator sticks came out there weren't many games that used it well. the problem is that wii costs $250 and it limits the graphics of any games that are on it but honestly I don't really have a problem with that.

and why the fuck do people think wii will bring in casuals somehow? I don't know ANYBODY that has a wii but doesn't have a 360. the biggest demographic in gaming currently is people who buy the sports games or games with large budgets and I really can't see any reason for them to even consider a wii when it sounds gay and probably will have bastardized versions of the types of games they buy (average gamer can probably tell that you'll use wiimote with a wii.)

if you're thinking that wii will bring in so many people who could never conceive of moving pictures on their television, then new developers will spring up and sell all the shit that you assume they would buy. real developers won't care to make shitty, gimmicky games for wii because they spent 20 years making real games and aren't going to suddenly make waggle clones.

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Author Topic: Has there ever been a console as hated as the wii? (Read 11391 times)