TF2 thread: Those Spies Stabbing Me In The Back Blues

[MrAngryFace]

Oh the spies. Thats all I gotta say about that. Heavy's rock, its my best class, but god damn im just a big ol target for snipers n spies. Its ALWAYS fun when a Sudden Death is ended when 3-4 medics are cornered in one room and I get to unleash muh bullets on them. They run around trying to heal each other but im just smackin them with lead!

[Phoenix Dark]

when i get the game i'll be yer medic

[bluemax]

I find that when I play heavy I'm only as good as the Medics on my team. If I get partnered with an awesome medic I become an unstoppable killing force. If there are no medics then I'm fucked.

[MrAngryFace]

I do ok without a medic, but you have to play differently to do even ok.

[CajoleJuice]

Snipers are also spy-fodder.

I'm usually a sniper or scout, but I like medic too. Every time I go to play TF2, your server is full, MAF.

[MrAngryFace]

Haha, I just destroyed this one team with a sniper named ron paul. Just rolled over them in sudden death. muhaha.

that was after a real crappy match where I tried to be a sniper

[demi]

Sniping wasn't fun when I tried it, I need bigger maps like UT offered.

[CajoleJuice]

I couldn't imagine trying to snipe in this game on the 360.

[zeergoth]

What's the server IP?

[The Fake Shemp]

Sniping is the only function that really sucks on 360, but it utilizes console mechanics so Halo folks are used to it.

[MrAngryFace]

Sniping is kinda hard on the PC. Its really hard to snipe if you arent in the 'well known' sniper hide-outs, which makes snipers dependent on defense keeping people out of the roost. A lot of Heavy's ive seen, which isn't many. Rush in too much and never let their barrel spin while creeping. Its slow but goddamn wind-up = death.

[CajoleJuice]

Yea, as a sniper, you do depend on your team being at least halfway decent. I love shooting Heavys in the face. Picking off Scout's running across the top of the bridge in 2fort is satisfying as well.

[Synbios459]

Anyone have this happen?

[MrAngryFace]

What do you mean? The blue wall shows the range of the sentry.

[MrAngryFace]

Yea, as a sniper, you do depend on your team being at least halfway decent. I love shooting Heavys in the face. Picking off Scout's running across the top of the bridge in 2fort is satisfying as well.

Yeah I wont even bother using anything but the tunnels on 2fort as a Heavy or SNIPER BAM IN THE FACE

[zeergoth]

No Pyro love? I love burning people to death.

[MrAngryFace]

pyro scout rush was driving me mad last game. Still managed to top the scoreboard. I just hate when engineers dont use teleporters tho. Our offense is always just arriving in time to play defense.

[Synbios459]

What do you mean? The blue wall shows the range of the sentry.

Oh, you're right, I feel dumb, but can you explain this:

[Ellrick]

What do you mean? The blue wall shows the range of the sentry.

Oh, you're right, I feel dumb, but can you explain this: (Image removed from quote.)

That color is typically associated with transparency, which strikes me as a driver issue. I would use a driver cleaner and install the newest set for your card.

Now can you explain how I can be so awesome with such a shitty ping?

[Synbios459]

Now that I think about it, I had this issue whenever I'd Alt+Tab out and in again with CSS and I had done this right before it happened. Apparently steam games don't like Alt+Tab.

[Vizzys]

no, purple/pinkish walls in source means missing textures

bring up the console (~ in the options) to confirm

[Ellrick]

Oh, well if thats the case just right click the game in the steam menu, properties, local files, and verify the integrity of the game cache.

[Robo]

I generally play Engie, Soldier, Demo, or Spy and do pretty well with all of them.  I'm still ranked in the low 50s out of 6,000+ on the 360 Ranked Leaderboard.  The only class I still really suck at is Pyro.  Other than being one of the best ways to shut down Spies, I can't seem to get any use out of them.

I like Heavy too, but they're always going to be fodder for pretty much any capable class.  They're an important target and Spies are just something you sort of have to deal with or switch classes to combat the problem.

I'm pretty good at sniping on 360; I've got a knack for it in other games.  Even so, the class is a waste on most maps if you aren't consistent or if you're positioning yourself wrong.  The maximum player count on 360 is too low to have someone idling with their sniper rifle and contributing nothing.

What time are you on, Willco?  Let me know if you wanna get a game going.

[MrAngryFace]

Heavy isn't fodder, and arguing that they could be for good players is a dumb argument.

In short LOL

[Synbios459]

I generally play Engie, Soldier, Demo, or Spy and do pretty well with all of them.  I'm still ranked in the low 50s out of 6,000+ on the 360 Ranked Leaderboard.  The only class I still really suck at is Pyro.  Other than being one of the best ways to shut down Spies, I can't seem to get any use out of them.

I like Heavy too, but they're always going to be fodder for pretty much any capable class.  They're an important target and Spies are just something you sort of have to deal with or switch classes to combat the problem.

I'm pretty good at sniping on 360; I've got a knack for it in other games.  Even so, the class is a waste on most maps if you aren't consistent or if you're positioning yourself wrong.  The maximum player count on 360 is too low to have someone idling with their sniper rifle and contributing nothing.

What time are you on, Willco?  Let me know if you wanna get a game going.

[TVC15]

I can probably find this from googling, but maybe one of you guys can save me some work:

Has their been a changelog listing everything altered since the first beta of the game?  The very first beta was the only one I played much, and I just wanna know the nitty gritty of what has changed.

Thanks!

[Ellrick]

The only change that I know of in terms of class balance are pyros getting a range increase, and a slight damage increase. Demomen got the nerfbat when valve made the pipe bombs explode on contact only before their first bounce. They were pretty insane before, you could just fucking stub your toe on them and get blown up.

[MrAngryFace]

I dunno the pyro scout rush is pretty effective on a few maps

[Ellrick]

I dunno the pyro scout rush is pretty effective on a few maps

Granary 

Which is why I always run up the ramps before the center point and just unload rockets on it without even looking.

[MrAngryFace]

i wish engineers would build teleporters

[Robo]

Why wouldn't they be cannon fodder?  That's their primary use, and the reason why teaming with a medic is so effective.  I'm using poor terminology here, I think.  What I mean is that they draw attention to themselves allowing your teammates to slip past all the action or clean up shop.

[Synbios459]

i wish engineers would build teleporters

Most of the time, people are to dumb to use them. I can't count the number of times I've built a teleporter to the entrance of an enemy area only for no one to use it.

[Synbios459]

Why wouldn't they be cannon fodder?  That's their primary use, and the reason why teaming with a medic is so effective.

Because they can still be useful and kick ass without a medic, I'd say Pyros are cannon fodder.

[bluemax]

i wish engineers would build teleporters

I build them but they don't get used much.

[trh]

I can probably find this from googling, but maybe one of you guys can save me some work:

Has their been a changelog listing everything altered since the first beta of the game?  The very first beta was the only one I played much, and I just wanna know the nitty gritty of what has changed.

Thanks!

Right click -> view update news for PC, no clue about 360.





2Fort sucks.

[Ellrick]

They arent cannon fodder so much as they are a top priority target, second only to the medic they are with.

When I play medic I typically dont waste uber on them, as they move to slow to get a whole lot done. Uber up a pyro to take out people, and uber up a soldier to take out infrastructure.

[MrAngryFace]

I have 450 HP max. Scouts can try to hit me with their little bats and scattershot, flame people can try to melt me to nothing, but a chain gun close range? Haha, only thing worse is a flamethrower. The real problem is this. Most Heavys dont realize WHERE their class lies on the selection chart.

DEFENSE.

That means you don't push on the front line unless everyone calls for it, like taking out turrets or holding the line while trying to cap a point and its during these times a medic should be with a Heavy. The rest of the time you work BEHIND the front line providing cover for the scouts, soldiers, and flame fuckers so they can go in with medics and do what they do.

Also, 2fort rocks, just gotta know how to play it. I get into crazy fights in the tunnel. I mean its almost a seperate war down there while they fight up top.

[MrAngryFace]

I scream for teleporters cuz im a slow fat heavy.

2Fort is awesome cause a heavy can hold those tunnels alone for quite a while unless they rush the tunnels, but even then I have a health and ammo spawn right next to me

[trh]

Pretty much. I don't understand why people hate the map. I'm thinking their either terrible at it or are tired of playing it for 10+ years. The map has staying power for a reason.

I do build teleporters and make sure to announce where they lead to followed by a friendly "USE IT". Usually after two shouts everyone on the team gets with the program and uses it. Often times it leads to a flag capture since no one expects a teleporter exit right at their sewer stairs in 2fort for example. People always assume placing a sentry down in the sewer room will curb any attacks.

People hate it? People love it, more than half of all the servers are like 2fort 24/7. And frankly there's not much room for fun situations, it's all pretty much the same everytime.
 
And yeah people need to put up teleporters. I usually put up a dispenser first and then a tele. Having loads of people at the front lines > a turret.

[demi]

At least you still have your looks.

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Grammar*

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[MrAngryFace]

I dont play on 360, most console jockeys dont know shit bout TF and need to shut the hell up. I played 2fort so much on the first TF omg omg.