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What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« on: October 24, 2007, 04:19:29 AM »
Sorry for making a second topic when this probably could have been shoehorned into the Twilight Zone topic, but it's something I meant to talk about before, when. . .well, I'll get to that.

Joe Dante's career had a really promising start.  Piranha is a now-little scene horro-comedy made in the late 70s, after Jaws inspired a bunch of, well, not comedy copycats.  Piranha was a Roger Corman movie, but it's probably one of the better ones.  This is one of those movies I haven't seen since probably like, when Gilbert Gottfried hosted USA Up All Night, so I may be overstating its quality a bit.  I remember it as being fun.  James Cameron directed its notoriously terrible, decidedly non-comedy sequel.  I think it was his first movie.  For Dante, the movie is a good harbringer of the "Style" he would be most famous for.

After that he did the first The Howling movie, which spawned a series notorious for being amongst the bottom of the barrel of the sequeltastic 80s horror flicks.  That said, the first one is pretty good.  Not a classic like Nightmare on Elm Street or anything, but it is its own movie; not particularly similar to the slasher flicks that ruled the day, and for that reason it is kind of unique.  There were lots of horror flicks made in the early 80s, but aside from the sporadic haunted house craze, 90% of them were slasher flicks.  Although it lacks most of the silliness found in his other movies (it's there in small bits), it has a pretty tight script for a tossed off horror flick.  No idea if that was Dante's doing.  Anyway, people know the name of this movie today, it's pretty good, it's decidedly very 80s.  It's a good, different for its time movie.  And frankly, there aren't many good werewolf movies.  Werewolves are kinda gay.

Then there's the Twilight Zone segment.  See the other thread.  It's good!  And very Dante.

And then Gremlins.  We all know Gremlins.  It, of course, looms over the entirety of Dante's career, but rest assured that across the board it is probably his best movie.  So rare is it that the best and the most popular are the same.

There were some other movies after this.  Innerspace which I haven't seen (I am allergic to Martin Short).  Uh, the Burbs which is kinda bad but has a cult following.  Gremlins 2 which people have crazily varied opinions about. After that, well, nothing of note.

What the heck happened?  He still does work, but it's all either shit or stuff that nobody ever sees (probably because it is shit).  What almost spawned this thread previously was his horrible Masters of Horror episode Homecoming (the one where dead soldiers come back from the dead to vote a warmongering president out of office. . .yes, it's as "subtle" as it sounds).

I find it disappointing that someone with such a promising start, someone that made movies so different than the mainstream of the day, fell off somewhere along the line.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 04:26:30 AM »
I'm probably the most informed person on Dante and I think it boils down to the fact that he was a creative guy who never got the financial recognition for his work early on, so he does stuff for the money at this point in his career to boost that lost ego.  I mean, the dude was broke and I mean sleeping on a friend's couch broke, before Spielberg asked him to do Gremlins.  Even though he did The Howling and was responsible for its success, he didn't see a dime.

He's not delusional, though.  He knows Homecoming was not good and apparent it was one of those, "Hey, it sounded good in concept!" type deals that he just rolled with.

Like John Carpenter, I think you're dealing with two talented guys during the 80s whose successes were largely overlooked until well after their release on home video and didn't have much pocket change to show for it.  It's easy to get burnt out if you churn out quality stuff that nobody watches and you get paid little for.  So you probably think you owe it to yourself to cash in.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 04:28:30 AM »
But come on, he did motherfucking Gremlins!  But then again, I don't think anything he did after that was profitable, regardless of its quality.  Did he just make a string of non-moneymakers and fall out of Hollywood's good graces, since someone that specializes in stuff so off-kilter is probably seen as having limited commercial viability?
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 04:40:45 AM »
Pirahna! Children in innertubes being eaten by fish. <3 <3 Also, drunken grizzlied men!

I am a Burbs lover, too.  Why didn't you like that one?

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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 04:43:57 AM »
Pirahna! Children in innertubes being eaten by fish. <3 <3 Also, drunken grizzlied men!

I am a Burbs lover, too.  Why didn't you like that one?

I'm not a very big Tom Hanks fan in either his comedian or teh serious period.  It's kind of irrational.  I don't try to fight it.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 04:55:27 AM »
He's actually well liked within the Hollywood community; he'll never direct a tentpole flick unless an executive is brave, but he'll always have work.

He did direct Gremlins, but that was a project he was asked to do by Spielberg.  In all honesty, Spielberg is pretty good about inserting people into successful films.

But the guy had a great string of quality, interesting films (I say up until Matinee, which I have a big soft spot for) and only one of them made a lot of money.  And since he was relatively unproven at that point, most of Gremlins' gross went into Spielberg's pocket, although the film did get Dante out of poverty.

Most of his stuff that folks dig, like The 'burbs, Innerspace, Matinee and such, weren't bombs, but weren't really recognized or money makers until the advent of home video.  So you're dealing with an unappreciated director that got burnt out and the result is when he does helm big budget stuff later in his career, like Small Soldiers or Looney Tunes, it's a total money thing.

Although, to his credit, the Looney Tunes film was a fiasco and a constant battle with Warner Bros. that he eventually just conceded to and rolled over.  But that should show you that the fight and the hunger is no longer there.  There's a bunch of guys like this, who just get fed up and Hollywood becomes a numbers game instead of a fun career.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 05:05:52 AM »
Yeah, I was looking at numbers, and while none of his 80s movies BOMBED, most of them weren't big moneymakers.  For example, Innerspace made 24 million dollars, which is probably close to what its actual budget was.

And yeah, that Looney Tunes movie.  He clearly has a love for cartoons, and I'm sure that was something of a dream project that got away from him, not helped by the demands of the owners of the charcters
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 06:22:09 AM »
Matinee? The John Goodman flick? (I think)


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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 09:14:02 AM »
He directed some episodes for the TV series Eerie, Indiana. That more than made up for any shortcomings he might've had in other parts of his career.

God, I wish that kids' TV shows could be as imaginative and daring today.

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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 10:49:45 AM »
Gremlins, Gremlins 2 and The 'Burbs were all awesome.  Aside from his TV work, those are the works "truest" to his style (especially Gremlins 2, which he had complete creative control over).  I wish he'd had free reign on the Looney Tunes movie, I think it would have been amazing if they'd just let him cut loose.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2007, 10:54:31 AM »
Gremlins 2 ahh. That one lipstick gremlin gave me my first hard on  :hyper
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 11:05:15 AM »
:lol

I loved Gremlins 2.  All the weird new mogwais and gremlins - there was the gargoyle gremlin, the vegetable gremlin, the smart talking gremlin...it was a really funny movie.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 11:05:23 AM »
Matinee? The John Goodman flick? (I think)

Yeah.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 05:05:05 PM »
uhhh, no one saw Eerie, Indiana?

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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 05:25:02 PM »
uhhh, no one saw Eerie, Indiana?

I saw it when it was originally on the air.  I remember it only being like 8 episodes.  This was like 15 years ago, so I can't remember the actual quality of the show.  The DVD set is available, but I assume it's just kids quality.
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 05:38:17 PM »
it was pretty good for its intended audience, it was like a cornier and more absurd version of Goosebumps that also dealt with supernatural stuff, but with recurring characters and locations

I'll never know what happened to the rivalry between Marshall, Simon and the evil teenage boy with gray hair :(
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Re: What's the deal with Joe Dante?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 05:46:20 PM »
Joe Dante and Robert Zemeckis  it seemed in the early 80's that Spielberg helped get their start. One went on to do Back to the Future and Forest Gump. One did Innerspace and The Burbs.

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