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I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« on: November 08, 2007, 11:53:20 PM »
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I am still revizing.  if there's anything I appear to have totally missed or skipped over, let me know.

Then again, you fegs probably won't even read anything, since you don't have the patience to even read a 2 page post by me.
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2007, 11:56:28 PM »
I'll read it! I've read all your blog posts. I've only seen two Kubrick movies though.  :-X

Why'd you make the text smaller?
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2007, 11:59:46 PM »
Heading there now.
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 12:00:37 AM »
well for starters you misspelled 'revising'

but i'm going to be watching all those kubrick movies as soon as i get around to buying the bds, and i'll definitely read your stuff

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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 12:00:58 AM »
I'll read it! I've read all your blog posts. I've only seen two Kubrick movies though.  :-X

Why'd you make the text smaller?

Did I?  Lemme fiddle.  I wrote that on my laptop and that doesn't have my usual word settings mebbe
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 12:01:18 AM »
In almost back-to-back sentences, you say that the movies mean different things at different ages.  :wag
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 12:01:24 AM »
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2007, 12:10:07 AM »
In almost back-to-back sentences, you say that the movies mean different things at different ages.  :wag

Yeah, I was writing some of that during a ten minute break during training.  I wrote the whole thing fairly quick.  It gets lazier as it goes on, but fuck it, I don't get paid for this.

There are a couple other instances of repetition or near repetition.
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 12:12:46 AM »
I just finished reading about your dream.  It seemed like a Clive Barker story.  Why do gays have such strange imaginations?  I couldn't make much sense out of the dream at all but I guess it could make a pretty cool video. 

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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 12:18:35 AM »
2001:

Did you know that the score in 2001 was originally just temp music?  Kubrick liked the classical pieces so much (he used them to create rhythm during editing) that he dumped the completed theatrical soundtrack that had been composed specifically for the film in favor of the classical pieces.

I'm surprised you're surprised that the movie's reception was mixed...look at how little dialogue there is.  Look at how slow it moves (and this is a sci-fi film! Where are the laser guns, the space aliens, the explosions, the cigar-shaped rocket ships?).  It's so utterly unlike everything that came before it.  Serious sci-fi before 2001 was stuff like Forbidden Planet and This Island Earth.

Clockwork Orange:

I don't think the film's message is superior to the book.  Just different.

I also loathe the Wendy Carlos soundtrack.  It takes all those beautiful pieces of Beethoven music and makes them completely sterile and alien, which I don't doubt was Kubrick's intent.

The Shining:

You should have wasted time writing King's opinion on the movie, because it is hilarious.  I remember reading Danse Macabre and being shocked that Kubrick had ruined King's story (I hadn't seen The Shining at that point and had only King's words to go on!).  I remember his criticism of the scene where Shelley Duvall finds the typewritten pages Jack Nicholson has written ("All work and no play make Jack a dull boy", written over and over) being that he disliked that you could see Jack approaching over her shoulder as she looked through the pages.  King wanted that scene filmed as a cheap shock-type thing with Jack appearing out of nowhere and startling the viewer as well as Shelley Duvall.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2007, 12:24:54 AM »
2001:

Did you know that the score in 2001 was originally just temp music?  Kubrick liked the classical pieces so much (he used them to create rhythm during editing) that he dumped the completed theatrical soundtrack that had been composed specifically for the film in favor of the classical pieces.

I'm surprised you're surprised that the movie's reception was mixed...look at how little dialogue there is.  Look at how slow it moves (and this is a sci-fi film! Where are the laser guns, the space aliens, the explosions, the cigar-shaped rocket ships?).  It's so utterly unlike everything that came before it.  Serious sci-fi before 2001 was stuff like Forbidden Planet and This Island Earth.

Yeah, but this was the late 60s, when art films were really starting to get mainstream steam and attention.  I figured that 2001 was much more approachable than the stuff Janus was bringing over back then.

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Clockwork Orange:

I don't think the film's message is superior to the book.  Just different.

I think the way the movie ends is the most effective cap to the satire on Skinner conditioning.  The book's ending, I guess, is a bit more ambiguous while still being negative about the treatment, but I like the definitive, conclusive ending of the movie better.  Alex was rotten and he was rewarded for it.  It's awesome.

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I also loathe the Wendy Carlos soundtrack.  It takes all those beautiful pieces of Beethoven music and makes them completely sterile and alien, which I don't doubt was Kubrick's intent.

I love synthesizers, especially the early stuff, and I think they fit in perfectly with the whole retrofuture motif.  I mean, I wouldn't listen to that soundtrack in any way but the ironic, or as a reference to the movie, but I do think it fits the movie perfectly.  Wendy Carlos is also a hot cheeseburger.

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The Shining:

You should have wasted time writing King's opinion on the movie, because it is hilarious.  I remember reading Danse Macabre and being shocked that Kubrick had ruined King's story (I hadn't seen The Shining at that point and had only King's words to go on!).  I remember his criticism of the scene where Shelley Duvall finds the typewritten pages Jack Nicholson has written ("All work and no play make Jack a dull boy", written over and over) being that he disliked that you could see Jack approaching over her shoulder as she looked through the pages.  King wanted that scene filmed as a cheap shock-type thing with Jack appearing out of nowhere and startling the viewer as well as Shelley Duvall.

I was discussing King's opinion with drinky the other day.  It really is ridiculous.  I know King doesn't write high literature, but it's funny that his opinion is so distinguished mentally-challenged and off the mark.  I've seen it said that his opinion is so dumb because we know today that King was an alcoholic for a long ass time, so that book was probably very close to him, maybe even partially autobiographical, and to see it drastically changed was probably something of a personal affront or insult to him or something.

But King also said things that were very irrational.  he hated the casting of Jack because he thought it was too much of a giveaway casting Nicholson.  The audience would know he was crazy because he was just in Cuckoo's Nest.  Helllllllo, Stephen?  They are different movies!  Just because Jack is in both movies doesn't mean he is playing the same character.  This is especially slly when you consider that Cucko and Shining are both like, opposite ends of the crazy spectrum.
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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2007, 12:37:16 AM »
Yeah, but this was the late 60s, when art films were really starting to get mainstream steam and attention.  I figured that 2001 was much more approachable than the stuff Janus was bringing over back then.

The arthouse stuff Janus was bringing over was never intended to have mainstream appeal or bring in buckets of money, whereas 2001 was a big-budget flick...just imagine as a critic being told you're going to watch Chaplin's The Great Dictator and then having it turn out to be a documentary about Hitler and the Holocaust.  I imagine your opinion afterwards might be on the negative side.

I don't know if that's an apt comparison. :lol

I think the way the movie ends is the most effective cap to the satire on Skinner conditioning.  The book's ending, I guess, is a bit more ambiguous while still being negative about the treatment, but I like the definitive, conclusive ending of the movie better.  Alex was rotten and he was rewarded for it.  It's awesome.

I like the ending of the film as well.  It's been years since I watched it, but I still remember that close-up of Alex's grinning face.

As for the book, it was incredibly trippy and fun to read...the ending made it pretty clear to me that its message was completely different than that of Kubrick's film.  I think Burgess wasn't so interested in talking about mental conditioning as he was about the maturation of an adolescent, even one as depraved as Alex.  So the book ends with him musing about settling down and starting a family.

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I also loathe the Wendy Carlos soundtrack.  It takes all those beautiful pieces of Beethoven music and makes them completely sterile and alien, which I don't doubt was Kubrick's intent.

I love synthesizers, especially the early stuff, and I think they fit in perfectly with the whole retrofuture motif.  I mean, I wouldn't listen to that soundtrack in any way but the ironic, or as a reference to the movie, but I do think it fits the movie perfectly.  Wendy Carlos is also a hot cheeseburger.

A friend of mine gave me the Clockwork Orange soundtrack CD as a gift a few years back.  Perhaps I should give it to Junpei.  The only track from it I actually bothered listening to more than once was Gene Kelly's "Singin' in the Rain."

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The Shining:

You should have wasted time writing King's opinion on the movie, because it is hilarious.  I remember reading Danse Macabre and being shocked that Kubrick had ruined King's story (I hadn't seen The Shining at that point and had only King's words to go on!).  I remember his criticism of the scene where Shelley Duvall finds the typewritten pages Jack Nicholson has written ("All work and no play make Jack a dull boy", written over and over) being that he disliked that you could see Jack approaching over her shoulder as she looked through the pages.  King wanted that scene filmed as a cheap shock-type thing with Jack appearing out of nowhere and startling the viewer as well as Shelley Duvall.

I was discussing King's opinion with drinky the other day.  It really is ridiculous.  I know King doesn't write high literature, but it's funny that his opinion is so distinguished mentally-challenged and off the mark.  I've seen it said that his opinion is so dumb because we know today that King was an alcoholic for a long ass time, so that book was probably very close to him, maybe even partially autobiographical, and to see it drastically changed was probably something of a personal affront or insult to him or something.

But King also said things that were very irrational.  he hated the casting of Jack because he thought it was too much of a giveaway casting Nicholson.  The audience would know he was crazy because he was just in Cuckoo's Nest.  Helllllllo, Stephen?  They are different movies!  Just because Jack is in both movies doesn't mean he is playing the same character.  This is especially slly when you consider that Cucko and Shining are both like, opposite ends of the crazy spectrum.

I think King's rationale was even more bizarre than that...it was like "Jack Nicholson LOOKS like a crazy person.  Hence, if he is in a movie, he must be playing a crazy person!"  As Good As It Gets must have given King a wonderful sense of validation. :lol
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2007, 12:42:38 AM »
Also, I don't think the ending of the book is BAD, but I just hate the brand of hipster that's like, "Kubrick didn't film the last chapter, man!  He missed the whole POINT!"  He didn't miss the point at all.  He just chose one that he must have thought was more fitting, and personally I like the ending because it's really cynical.

There is an extended interview with Wendy Carlos on the Shining disc, where she plays a bunch of shit from A Clockwork Orange and The Shining (she did the soundtrack for that, too, I forgot)that was never used.  It's really interesting hearing her play and talk about that stuff.  Also, she makes for a pretty hot woman.  I think she was still a dude when A Clockwork Orange was made.

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Re: I just wrote like 4000 words on Kubrick shit
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2007, 12:46:25 AM »
i read your dream post. really, though, what could i add? something are better observed than remarked upon!
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2007, 12:47:03 AM »
I should just wait a few days and throw the dream on my blog.  I could use the content.  because I am lazy.
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