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I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« on: November 09, 2007, 02:25:21 PM »
The actual soundtrack, not the extended version that includes numerous compositions by Wendy/Walter Carlos that were not used in the actual movie (but still fit in very well, after seeing her explain them in the doc on the The Shining disc).

I think I could do a reading of the movie with a focus on soundtrack.  I mean, before the soundtrack was just a great component of a great movie, but listening to the soundtrack itself, and hearing Carlos go into a bit of detail on the compositions, and the process of selecting which compositions would and would not be used, there's clearly a bit more to things than I originally thought.  I am sure that many directors are very involved and invested in this process, but it's also evident that many great directors don't particularly care about their soundtracks.  A recent example would be last night's viewing of The Departed, an entertaining movie with a ho-hum selection of tracks.

What stands out about the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack is that there are basically three types of songs on the album.  There are the songs that are completely, obviously synthesized, using all the tricks available in the technology of the day in order to create a sort of "this is how music will sound in the future" effect (like, say, the movie's main theme and the take on the William Tell Overture used in the trailer).  There are the standard classical compositions that use pretty normal sounding instrumentation (note: some of these also use synthesizers, but not to obvious effect; it would take a discriminating listener to tell). There are also compositions that carefully merge the other two types of songs--relatively straightforward takes of classical songs that use both normal instrumentation and obvious synthesizers (most notably, a few Beethoven tracks do this, although there are at least an equal number of "normal" ones).

Once it becomes clear that there are three distinct types of song used in the movie's soundtrack, it simply becomes a question of piecing things together and coming up with a supportable reading.  I have not explicitly done a viewing of the movie while specifically watching for this, but thanks to the effect of music on the memory, I can picture at least a few examples, and come up with a potentially valid interpretation.

The all synthesizer music is used for things that are "alien" to the viewer.  The main theme is synthesized (although there is later an orchestrated version of it), which helps along with producing the atmosphere of a strange future. Some elements of Alex's early movie bad behavior are also accompanied by the synthesized music.  With the exception of one scene (the early droog fight), I think the synthesized music is a clear indicator of Alex being weird and coldly disconnected.

The normally composed music, I believe, is used as a sort of indicator of truth, beauty, or clarity.  Compared to the other two categories, there are fewer of the normal tracks, and I think they tend to pop up specifically when, say, Alex is talking about Beethoven, the one thing he will admit to loving.

The mixed music, which tends to sound even more alien than the synthesizer music due to it mixing the familiar with the strange (along with atonal vocals in at least two of the pieces in this category), seem to be tied to the conditioning process and Alex's post-conditioning adventures.  The combination of the normally composed music and the alien synthesizer music might be seen as Alex's alienation from his own world, aka Alex's one source of beauty and truth becoming corrupted by the strangeness that the viewer has been aware of all along.

Like I said, I'd need to do another viewing before saying anything conclusive, and I am aware of, offhand, at least two exceptions to the use of music, so I have to work those instances into the interpretation.

Still, it's pretty neat, how even the music can be seen as adding significantly to the movie.  I believe I said 2001 had the best soundtrack of the Kubrick movies, but now I am not so sure.  2001 and The Shining have great soundtracks, but I would be hard pressed to come up with anything like this for them, which makes me think A Clockwork Orange has the best, since it can be seen as elevating the themes presented in the movie.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 02:33:30 PM »
I give this topic a B-
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 02:40:40 PM »
boy, you wanna talk about a wholly terrible soundtrack, let's tlak spider-hyphen-man 3.

unlike SOME transformers-worshipping plebians, i would be interested in reading your, er, reading!
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 02:55:42 PM »
I will read this topic in a minute, I just wanted to share that I have A Clockwork Orange soundtrack on my iPod for the last year, and when I want to go crazy at work I listen to it.  It's so surreal listening to the metallic beethoven pings and pangs while walking around a warehouse looking at people who are normal.  The soundtrack tends to dredge up the nearly 3 years I spent on acid in my late teens and early 20s, and send those aftershocks straight up and down my spinal chord.  It's a very powerful soundtrack, even moreso if you have a strong mental connection to the movie, which is in my top 5.  In fact, I just bought the hd-dvd version in the deep discount sale  :-*

After I read what is sure to be an awesome introspective post into one of my favorite movie soundtracks, should I feel worthy of adding something I will.  Otherwise, farewell, fine topic.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 03:14:29 PM »
boy, you wanna talk about a wholly terrible soundtrack, let's tlak spider-hyphen-man 3.

It is bad, but that's what happens when your main composer flees from a franchise!
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 03:23:26 PM »

Also I know a dude that watched ACO on acid back in my high school days. He cracked up at one not particularly funny bit and rewound the vhs tape repeatedly to watch it over and over again.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 03:45:21 PM »
As I've only seen The Shining once, but did pick it up on hd-dvd so that will soon be rectified, I'll refrain from discussing that soundtrack.  I find both A Clockwork Orange and 2001 to be among my favorite soundtracks of all time.  First off, both have their share of classical music, but with obvious differences.  I really enjoy the clean, stark feel of the straight classics in 2001, it compliments the visual setting perfectly.  It was desolate, but familiar, a classical view into space and a realistic one, grounded, and the classical score echoed that feel.  I say that as a huge fan of Pink Floyd's synch with the final act and Echoes, I do wish they had done a whole score to the movie as well, but I think there's no way it can be improved upon, the classical music fits it perfectly.

By the same token, A Clockwork Orange is a foray into the acid underbelly of London youth, and it's metallic twist of the Beethoven classics and others like William Tell overture also reflect the reality of the movie.  When watching the movie, each scene is accented perfectly by an accompanying song, the layers of which it adds to the film are innumerable.  To me it is a perfect example of aural filmmaking, and I can't wait to see it all in hd glory as I only had the vhs transfer.  Singing in the Rain in particular is used in haunting fashion, and when recalled later in the movie brings up horrifying and confusing feelings for the main character.  In the end you can't help but feel like Alex gets what he deserves, but following him on that path is quite unnerving and the way Kubrick uses the soundtrack to reflect his feelings really makes you empathize with the character.  You feel joy when he does, you feel pain when he does, and abandonment, and so on, all of which is reflected in the soundtrack.  I suppose you can say I'm a big fan.

As a side note, I much prefer the pensive, introspective TVC and although I have not had a chance to read your dream topic, it's on my list to do so.  I also plan to check out your blog so please keep writing about things like these, and less about driving G and Synbios to suicide.  The latter is a little too Alex-like for my tastes and I prefer to keep those episodes purely grounded in fiction.  Thanks buddy, great topic  :-*
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2007, 03:46:38 PM »
I give this topic a B-

You're a B-.  I'm being generous.  I like the place you have here though.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 04:19:26 PM »
First of all, saying Scorsese doesn't care about his movie soundtracks is bullshit. Scorsese, when he wrote Goodfellas, wrote tracks IN THE FUCKING SCRIPT that he wanted to use. Examples: Layla, Sunshine of Your Love, Gimme Shelter.

The same selections are obvious in the Departed. While the selections aren't as good, saying Scorsese didn't fucking care is highly incorrect. There is still a large selection of tracks that Scorsese himself would pick that fit his music taste (Comfortably Numb, several Stones tracks including Gimme Shelter to link the film to his earlier crime movies Goodfellas and Casino) The only argument you really have is the Dropkick Murphys selection, mainly because that music and the Howard Shore guitar instrumentals doesn't mesh well with the rest of the selections. However, I can also argue that these were included to give the film a different overall feel than Casino and Goodfellas in terms of location. Boston is a very different city compared to Vegas and New York City. Personally, I like the Dropkick Murphys and the Shore instrumentals, but they don't really mesh that well with the Stones and Pink Floyd.

Just saying, while you are right about directors and their music selections, Scorsese is a very, very poor example of what you are trying to prove.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 05:22:51 PM »
Sorry, The Departed, fresh on my mind, doesn't stand out very much.  While Scorsese might pick out specific tracks as he is writing the script (OMG!!!!!!!!!!), they really don't add to the movie the way that the Clockwork soundtrack adds to it.  Using licensed music is kind of lazy.  It's like using a preprogrammed mood or idea.  And Scorsese isn't even so great at using it when compared to say, Tarantino.

The music in The Departed is ho-hum.  Goodfellas is pretty good.  Taxi Driver, probably Scorsese's best movie, has a pretty great, emotive soundtrack that fits the tone of the movie without resorting to using licensed stuff.

Scorsese's definitely a great director, but soundtracks aren't one of his consistent strong points.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2007, 05:37:21 PM »
Dude, you are way off on this one.  One of the reasons Scorsese is so admired by critics is for his excellent use of existing music for his film soundtracks.  Check out the opening to Raging Bull, the paranoid Ray Liotta scene near the end of Goodfellas, etc., for great examples.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2007, 05:40:58 PM »
Dude, you are way off on this one.  One of the reasons Scorsese is so admired by critics is for his excellent use of existing music for his film soundtracks.  Check out the opening to Raging Bull, the paranoid Ray Liotta scene near the end of Goodfellas, etc., for great examples.

It's been a while since I saw Raging Bull, which is why I didn't mention it. 

But really, comparing soundtracks that lean heavily on pop music to those that don't is like comparing saccharin to sugar.  I'm not saying they're bad, I just don't think they're as notable.  And when it comes down to pop soundtracks, Scorsese doesn't rank amongst the best, either.

But that topic isn't really about Scorsese.  I used him as an example in my original post since I had just come off the all around incredibly overrated Departed.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2007, 05:44:56 PM »
This kind of reminds me of how American Beauty had all these Beatles songs annotated into the script, but then when the movie actually got made it had a (beautiful) original score that didn't even resemble a Beatles song.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2007, 05:45:23 PM »
Sorry, The Departed, fresh on my mind, doesn't stand out very much.  While Scorsese might pick out specific tracks as he is writing the script (OMG!!!!!!!!!!), they really don't add to the movie the way that the Clockwork soundtrack adds to it.  Using licensed music is kind of lazy.  It's like using a preprogrammed mood or idea.  And Scorsese isn't even so great at using it when compared to say, Tarantino.

The music in The Departed is ho-hum.  Goodfellas is pretty good.  Taxi Driver, probably Scorsese's best movie, has a pretty great, emotive soundtrack that fits the tone of the movie without resorting to using licensed stuff.

Scorsese's definitely a great director, but soundtracks aren't one of his consistent strong points.

Again, I highly disagree. You don't need to go any further than Goodfellas for my argument. The slow-mo shot of De Niro smoking with Sunshine of Your Love playing in the background and the dead gangster revelation montage perfectly syncronized to the second half of Layla, and the collision of 5 or 6 tracks at the same time during the final sequence where Liotta is running all over the place trying to piece together his drug deals and his life while strung out on coke is amazing. All of these memorable sequences are using licensed music.

And of course Taxi Driver is going to have an amazing soundtrack. You are right, it's his best movie by far (and my personal favorite film) but the score was so great because he picked Bernard Herrmann to score it. It was Herrmann's last score, and as usual, Herrmann delivered.

And honestly, while the music isn't as good in the Departed, there are still some memorable parts: the love sequence with Comfortably Numb playing, the use of Shipping Out to Boston on the way to Jack's last stand, the use of Gimme Shelter (the best the track has been used in his gangster movies) during the opening sequences where Jack's face is concealed by lighting tricks, and so on.

Tarantino does a good job using music in his films as well, but not one of his films uses music as well as Scorsese uses licensed music in Goodfellas. This is coming from a die hard Tarantino fan who likes all of his movies.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2007, 05:45:59 PM »
I haven't seen American Beauty since it came out.  I really don't think it's much better than Forrest Gump when it comes down to manipulative gunk.

EDIT:  Sorry, folks.  I see licensed soundtracks as generally lesser animals.  Not saying they are automatically bad or anything at all, but you can do much more original things if you are using specially prepared compositions, as in ACO.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2007, 05:47:57 PM »
I'm not completely disagreeing with you on that point, but the soundtrack is undeniably beautiful.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2007, 05:50:14 PM »
I haven't seen American Beauty since it came out.  I really don't think it's much better than Forrest Gump when it comes down to manipulative gunk.

EDIT:  Sorry, folks.  I see licensed soundtracks as generally lesser animals.  Not saying they are automatically bad or anything at all, but you can do much more original things if you are using specially prepared compositions, as in ACO.

American Beauty > Forrest Gump, definitely.

1994 was the year of Pulp Fiction. That should be your best picture, ladies and gents.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2007, 05:52:28 PM »
I haven't seen American Beauty since it came out.  I really don't think it's much better than Forrest Gump when it comes down to manipulative gunk.

EDIT:  Sorry, folks.  I see licensed soundtracks as generally lesser animals.  Not saying they are automatically bad or anything at all, but you can do much more original things if you are using specially prepared compositions, as in ACO.

American Beauty > Forrest Gump, definitely.



I agree, I just sort of lump them together as the Giants of Emotional Manipulation, and I don't really like those sorts of movies.
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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2007, 03:03:12 PM »
Yeah, it has a great mixture of original score and licensed soundtrack.

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Re: I was just listening to the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2007, 04:14:37 PM »
I hate you  >:(
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