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Mupepe

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Texas Self Defense Case
« on: November 17, 2007, 07:54:56 PM »
http://cbs3.com/topstories/self.defense.shooting.2.569713.html

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HOUSTON (CBS) ― It will be up to a Texas grand jury to decide whether a man who fatally shot two men he thought were robbing his neighbor's home acted within the state's self-defense laws.

The man, who is in his 70s, shot the two suspected burglars Wednesday afternoon in a quiet subdivision of the Houston suburb of Pasadena. He confronted the men as they were leaving through a gate leading to the front yard of his neighbor's home.

No identities have been released.

Police say that just before the shootings, the man called 911 to say he heard glass breaking and saw two men entering the home through a window.

911: "Pasadena 911. What is your emergency?"

Caller: "Burglars breaking into a house next door."

A police spokesman says the man told the dispatcher that he was going to get his gun and stop the break-in.

Caller: "I've got a shotgun, do you want me to stop them?"

911: "Nope, don't do that. Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"

The dispatcher repeatedly urged the man to stay calm and stay in his own home, reports CBS News correspondent Hari Sreenivasan.

911: "I've got officers coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house."

Caller: "I understand that, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir, and you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it and I know it. I have a right to protect myself."

A Texas law strengthening a citizen's right to self-defense, the so-called "castle doctrine," went into effect on Sept. 1. It gives Texans a stronger legal right to use deadly force in their homes, cars and workplaces.

The telephone line then went dead, but the man called police again and told a dispatcher what he was doing.

Caller: "Boom. You're dead." (Sounds of gunshots) "Get the law over here quick. I've managed to get one of them, he's in the front yard over there. He's down, the other one is running down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice.

He shot one suspect in the chest and the other in the side.

Wednesday's shooting "clearly is going to stretch the limits of the self-defense law," said a legal expert.

If the absent homeowner tells police that he asked his neighbor to watch over his property, that could play in the shooter's favor, defense attorney Tommy LaFon, who is also a former Harris County prosecutor, told the Houston Chronicle. "That could put him (the gunman) in an ownership role."

The legislator who authored the "castle doctrine" bill says it was never intended to apply to a neighbor's property.

It "is not designed to have kind of a 'Law West of the Pecos' mentality or action," Republican Sen. Jeff Wentworth told the newspaper. "You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle."

Personally, I think this guy should be taken down a notch.  I don't actually give a fuck that the burglars are dead.  I really don't.  in fact, i'll clap to that.  *clap clap clap*  and a cunt bite to the first person who says "is death a good punishment for burglary now?"  because yes, yes it is.  It's my stuff.  Not yours.  Get a job.  Earn it.  Fuck faces.

But I don't think this is the kind of precedence that needs to be set.  He should get some sort of punishment to show that this is NOT acceptable behaviour.  the man obviously was yearning to kill someone.

And for the record, as a Texan, I'd have no moral qualms about shooting some thief in the face for stealing my stuff or breaking into my home. 

BlueTsunami

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2007, 08:00:19 PM »
Sounds like "Vigilante" behavior to me. He wasn't in danger and yet he used deadly force. Definitely should be prosecuted.
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Mupepe

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2007, 08:01:40 PM »
Sounds like "Vigilante" behavior to me. He wasn't in danger and yet he used deadly force. Definitely should be prosecuted.
he should definitely be punished.  i just don't think it should be for murder.  it's not like he killed anyone important.  LOL

BlueTsunami

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2007, 08:03:10 PM »
I love that he cites "September 11th" when it came to dealing with robbers. Hasn't he ever seen Home Alone? House robbers are fucken goofy, no need to shoot them!
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BlueTsunami

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2007, 08:05:59 PM »
I love that he cites "September 11th" when it came to dealing with robbers. Hasn't he ever seen Home Alone? House robbers are fucken goofy, no need to shoot them!

Needs more reading skills.

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I somehow missread September 1st as 11th. The dudes yokel accent oozing through the text made me think he would actually cite September 11th  :lol
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Smooth Groove

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2007, 08:07:04 PM »
Put his ass in jail for a long time.  A psycho like him would have done much more than just steal if he were in the same situation as the burglar. 

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 08:09:35 PM »
God, there's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

Lock him up.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 08:11:19 PM »
Put his ass in jail for a long time.  A psycho like him would have done much more than just steal if he were in the same situation as the burglar. 
what situation would that be exactly?  apparently you know something about them we don't.

Mupepe

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2007, 08:14:24 PM »
btw i already know i'm a sick fuck regarding the death of people.  also i don't feel bad for this guy in any way and he acted like a complete douchebag. 
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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2007, 08:30:26 PM »
The burglars took  a chance.  They know it's possible something bad could happen.  It's just like the contractors on the Death Star.  They knew it was a dangerous job, but the pay was right.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2007, 08:31:58 PM »
The burglars took  a chance.  They know it's possible something bad could happen.  It's just like the contractors on the Death Star.  They knew it was a dangerous job, but the pay was right.
:lol

but did they know they were working for Satan?

FlameOfCallandor

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2007, 08:53:16 PM »
I read about this in the chronicle. I dont know all the facts, but it sounds like the man with the gun tried to take the law into his own hand and failed miserably. He should go to court.

Flannel Boy

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2007, 08:54:58 PM »
Old people should not be allowed to own cars or guns.

Mupepe

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2007, 08:56:43 PM »
Old people should not be allowed to own cars or guns.
or teeth.  because they're funnier that way.

Flannel Boy

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2007, 09:01:33 PM »
Old people should not be allowed to own cars or guns.
or teeth.  because they're funnier that way.
Old age does that for us. We have to take away their cars and guns ourselves.

Smooth Groove

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2007, 09:02:56 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2007, 09:15:52 PM »
Yeesh. Let's see how Texas handles this.  It's texan pride vs. the obvious.

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Re: Texas Self Defense Case
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2007, 10:15:38 PM »
I think he'll get convicted of murder because this is just being a plain "vigilante" as blue said.  the problem is that the courts will have pity on him and just say he was a scared old man.

I really have no problem with shooting somebody in self-defense.  shooting at people robbing an abandoned home (they said the homeowner wasn't there and I guess the robbers found that out someway) though is pretty messed up.  especially since he had already called 911 (the guy sounded like a psycho who slept with his gun) and the robbers were apparently running away from him.

This sort of story has a lot of what-ifs though and judging the castle doctrine (I don't know a lot about it) based on it is pretty unfair.