GTA4 BOXART REVEAL, NEW TRAILER 12/6 omg omg

[Himu]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28353.html?type=

omg omg

12/6 omg

[bud]

i was just about to make this thread mofo. anyway, the video is hot and so is the boxart, even though it's not any different from the previous ones.





hd version http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28353.html

[Himu]

[Beezy]

...it's just like all the other GTA boxarts. What's there to be excited about?

[brawndolicious]

eh, they're not that creative with their box arts.  total poop announcement.  real news on december 6th.

[Himu]

...it's just like all the other GTA boxarts. What's there to be excited about?

DECEMBER 6TH

[TVC15]

After Assassin's Creed, it's difficult to get excited for another GTA where there will probably only be like 4 people on the screen at once.  Ho hum.

[Solo]

Level as many complaints at GTA as you want, I certainly do, but not enough people onscreen certainly isnt one I would be making. Theyve all done pretty great in that regard.

[TVC15]

If they don't up it in the light of AC, they fail.  The bar has been raised.  There were about 20-30k people living in Jerusalem during the time of AC.  There are millions living in the modern day NYC analogue of GTA4.  If they don't update their shit to reflect the bar being raised, they have officially dropped the ball.

[Solo]

Again though, where do you get this assumption from? For all their many flaws, III, VC, and SA all had shittons of people.

[TVC15]

Again though, where do you get this assumption from? For all their many flaws, III, VC, and SA all had shittons of people.

Not compared to AC!

[brawndolicious]

there were maybe a dozen NPC's on screen in SA.  and that was on the PC version with max draw distance.  in the next one, they should be able to get a hundred on screen.  with actual AI too.  the original was held back by what the PS2 could do and for the time it was impressive, but R* has to do something amazing to get this next one to sell.  I don't see anybody getting hyped for GTA when a bunch of ORIGINAL(er) sandbox games have come out in the last few years.

[Himu]

But they were totally last gen. This is not a fair comparison.

[TVC15]

But they were totally last gen. This is not a fair comparison.

Well, I'm not going to make any judgements yet.  Let's see what the upcoming trailer shows.  GTA with better graphics isn't going to cut it this time.  Between Saint's Row, Crackdown, and AC, the sandbox bar has been raised in just about ever category.  Does R* have what it takes to win the crown?

[The Sceneman]

who gives a shit about being fair?

and nintenho, I see people getting hyped for tyhis game just becuase its GTA, most casual gamers probably havent heard of the other games were talking about that do things better, and at the end the day they actually wont give a shit if another game plays better. They want to play GTA becuase its the megabrand they were weaned on, and they think its fun to input a weapon cheat and walk around killing people aimlessly, and you can steal cars zomg so much fun

[balikeye]

After Assassin's Creed, it's difficult to get excited for another GTA where there will probably only be like 4 people on the screen at once.  Ho hum.

Well, at least those 4 people on screen will say more than 10 random sayings!

[Himu]

there were maybe a dozen NPC's on screen in SA.  and that was on the PC version with max draw distance.  in the next one, they should be able to get a hundred on screen.  with actual AI too.  the original was held back by what the PS2 could do and for the time it was impressive, but R* has to do something amazing to get this next one to sell.  I don't see anybody getting hyped for GTA when a bunch of ORIGINAL(er) sandbox games have come out in the last few years.

A bunch? What are they? Crackdown? Crackdown's story sucks, the only fun thing about that game is jumping around. Assassin's Creed? It's fun, but it's nothing on GTA especially gameplay variety.

[Himu]

who gives a shit about being fair?

and nintenho, I see people getting hyped for tyhis game just becuase its GTA, most casual gamers probably havent heard of the other games were talking about that do things better, and at the end the day they actually wont give a shit if another game plays better. They want to play GTA becuase its the megabrand they were weaned on, and they think its fun to input a weapon cheat and walk around killing people aimlessly, and you can steal cars zomg so much fun

I like how you think just because someone loves gta they have to be a casual gamer

But they were totally last gen. This is not a fair comparison.

Well, I'm not going to make any judgements yet.  Let's see what the upcoming trailer shows.  GTA with better graphics isn't going to cut it this time.  Between Saint's Row, Crackdown, and AC, the sandbox bar has been raised in just about ever category.  Does R* have what it takes to win the crown?

Those are all good games but I still enjoy GTAIII, VC, and SA more. Also, out of those games, I honestly think AC is the only one that has truly raised any bar.

[TVC15]

Those are all good games but I still enjoy GTAIII, VC, and SA more. Also, out of those games, I honestly think AC is the only one that has truly raised any bar.

Well, you are flatly wrong.  Both Saint's Row and Crackdown show that SHOCKA it is possible to have competent aiming in these games.  Crackdown has development of your character's abilities.  Saint's Row has a lot of customization to it.  Assassin's Creed makes you feel like you are in a city.  These are examples of things that are done far superior compared to GTA's meager ambitions.

[Himu]

Those are all good games but I still enjoy GTAIII, VC, and SA more. Also, out of those games, I honestly think AC is the only one that has truly raised any bar.

Well, you are flatly wrong.  Both Saint's Row and Crackdown show that SHOCKA it is possible to have competent aiming in these games.  Crackdown has development of your character's abilities.  Saint's Row has a lot of customization to it.  Assassin's Creed makes you feel like you are in a city.  These are examples of things that are done far superior compared to GTA's meager ambitions.

Crackdown's aiming wasn't vastly improved over GTA's. Saint's Row was, and I really hope that R* implements Saints Row like controls into IV. GTASA had development of character abilities. You could swim faster, run faster, punch harder, and even wield dual guns in SA; if you're expecting them to somehow let your jump across the whole city like in Crackdown, that's silly. Saints Row has lots of customization, true, but so did GTASA. Assassin's Creed makes you feel like you are in a city, but so have previous GTA's; I'm pretty sure GTAIV will evolve that a bit more, and a lot of the previews and trailers have hinted that they will.

[TVC15]

Crackdown has basically the same aiming system as Saint's Row, doesn't it?

And the swim faster, run faster, punch harder stuff doesn't mean much to me if I can't see it on a character info screen.  I realize the improvements do occur, but there's little sense of satisfaction gained if I do not see a number telling me so.

And Saint's Row and GTASA are in different galaxies when it comes to customization.  SR has so many more options, in addition to the ability to have granular control over your character (and vehicle's appearance).  GTA also needs the ability to keep mass amounts of cars a la SR.

As for people on screen, if GTA4 isn't at least comparable to AC, it stands a solid chance of failing. A 12th century city should not feel more alive than a 21st century one.

[Himu]

Crackdown's aiming is similar, but it's not nearly as good. For example, you can't do drive bys at all in Crackdown, the manual aiming can be extremely wonky at times too.

You can see those things in your character screen. In GTASA all you have to do is press L1 and the stats pop up. The more muscle you have, the stronger you are; the more the stamina you have the further you can run and swim;etc.  It was not a number, but it was a bar.

Maybe I have not played enough of Saints Row (I've been busy with other games). I'll play more of it after I'm done with my current onslaught of games. I really really like the game though. I like sandbox games a lot, and it's one of the better ones that isn't GTA.

You're right that GTA isn't comparable to AC....yet. We don't know if it will or not. Remember that how many people appear on screen depends on the time of day. Also consider this, in GTA you have vehicles. It would be extremely annoying trying to drive through herds of pedestrian cattle when you don't want to be noticed by cops. I think if GTA doesn't have any many people as AC, it will be a gameplay decision, not a technical decision.

I guess I just sound like I'm some crazy fanboy at this point, but I don't care. I have had much more fun with the GTA games from last gen than any of the current gen sandbox games combined. I don't know if it's nostalgia or what, but I've played through the last gen GTA's MULTIPLE times, more times than I can count and I still don't get bored. I'm not so sure if I can do that with current gen sandbox games.

[The Sceneman]

I like how you think just because someone loves gta they have to be a casual gamer

well its either that or they have poor taste/ low standards, which is typical of most casual gamers

[Himu]

I like how you think just because someone loves gta they have to be a casual gamer

well its either that or they have poor taste/ low standards, which is typical of most casual gamers

Or maybe because it's just plain fun? There is more to GTA than mindless killing you know. I rarely kill people mindlessly.

[TVC15]

Give it up, Himumu; the Queen is dead.

[Vizzys]

GTA sucks

[Himu]

It is not dead! Not yet!

[BlueTsunami]

Cannot wait. The initial experience when dropping into every GTA for the first time is always unique. Taking in the music and the landscape. I love it

[Himu]

Good thing blue's still got my back.

[bluemax]

The first 5-10 hours of every GTA is pretty good, the problem is the main part of the game is usually like 3 times longer than that.

And I know people who while not hardcore gamers are not quite casual gamers either who pretty much only see GTA as a destruction play ground and not an actual game.

[Himu]

I never understood that complaint about GTA. I played over 100 hours of GTASA, I've played GTA3 6 times, and then some. There's always so much to do that I never really ever get bored. I have never yawned while playing a GTA game.

I guess it's just totally love it or have it or some shit.

[TVC15]

The first 5-10 hours of every GTA is pretty good, the problem is the main part of the game is usually like 3 times longer than that.

And I know people who while not hardcore gamers are not quite casual gamers either who pretty much only see GTA as a destruction play ground and not an actual game.

That's me.  GTA games have terrible mission structures.  The missions themselves vary in quality, some of them being great, but the way they are structured in game is smelly.  It's not fun having to go all the way across the map to restart a mission you flubbed because chance wasn't on your side.  It's not fun to have to redo that a bunch of times, as you have to do once you get passed the beginning of the game and into the more challenging bits.  It's not that fun to only have one mission at a time, either.

The revamped mission structure should:

1) More easily allow you to restart missions.  Not by going to the trigger of the mission or anything, either.  It has to be easier than that.
2) Allow the player to take more than one mission at once.  To facilitate this, the games need more missions, period.  One place I'd look for inspiration here is the Godfather game, or even Saint's Row, both of which had non-plot oriented side missions by the boatload.
3) Offer a new UI.  GTA3 to SA have all used flavors of the same menu system that was never good in the first place.

[demi]

Good thing blue's still got my back.

He's buying the PS3 version, it's over

[bluemax]

I never understood that complaint about GTA. I played over 100 hours of GTASA, I've played GTA3 6 times, and then some. There's always so much to do that I never really ever get bored. I have never yawned while playing a GTA game.

I guess it's just totally love it or have it or some shit.

There's always one mission a decent way in that is so fucking broken I lose interest in playing the game. The more side shit they've added in each GTA the more stupid half assed levels they've added.

Things that suck in GTA:

Anything related to flying
Any check point race

Maybe its from playing the game on the PC but I never put in more than about 20-30 total hours on GTA before I'm bored of the landscaped and annoyed with the mission design.

The first 5-10 hours of every GTA is pretty good, the problem is the main part of the game is usually like 3 times longer than that.

And I know people who while not hardcore gamers are not quite casual gamers either who pretty much only see GTA as a destruction play ground and not an actual game.

That's me.  GTA games have terrible mission structures.  The missions themselves vary in quality, some of them being great, but the way they are structured in game is smelly.  It's not fun having to go all the way across the map to restart a mission you flubbed because chance wasn't on your side.  It's not fun to have to redo that a bunch of times, as you have to do once you get passed the beginning of the game and into the more challenging bits.  It's not that fun to only have one mission at a time, either.

The revamped mission structure should:

1) More easily allow you to restart missions.  Not by going to the trigger of the mission or anything, either.  It has to be easier than that.
2) Allow the player to take more than one mission at once.  To facilitate this, the games need more missions, period.  One place I'd look for inspiration here is the Godfather game, or even Saint's Row, both of which had non-plot oriented side missions by the boatload.
3) Offer a new UI.  GTA3 to SA have all used flavors of the same menu system that was never good in the first place.

Exactly. I fucking hate how later in the game you get to the multi part missions and there's one shitty part that if you fuck up you have to do like 20 minutes of driving just to restart the mission and do the boring build up to the part you screwed up. The GTA games are so buggy and random that inevitably you'll fuck up 30 times before getting all the random variables to align.

[MCD]

Well, as a start, it needs AC godly animations.

actually, all games need that.

[BlueTsunami]

Well, as a start, it needs AC godly animations.

actually, all games need that.

I agree with this

Also, GTA needs a major revamp from GTA:SA. I agree with the "This better not be last gen GTA with next gen graphics". The gameplay needs to progress too.

[Himu]

I doubt it'll be much like SA.

[CajoleJuice]

I loved the first two GTAs of last generation (and I enjoyed GTA2 as well at the time), but I finally got around to buying SA for the PC this year and BLEH. It was fun for a little while, even though it was archaic as hell, but I got bored fairly quickly. Same goddamn shit with awful mechanics, even on the PC.

[TVC15]

Much like horror games in the generation before, the PS2 generation was BARELY capable of doing sandbox design justice.  When the PS2 hit, horror games really started to hit their stride (although fewer people were trying to make them), and I think sandbox is the same thing with this generation.  GTA was archaic right from the get go, and it was a huge success not because it did things especially well, but because it was the first of its kind.

I am sure 4 will sell a million copies, but it's a big question mark as far as expectations go.  GTA has always basically been the only thing Rockstar did correctly that managed to be a hit.  Other good games like Bully and The Warriors didn't fare so well.  I really don't know what to expect.  Take 2 and Rockstar are in the shitter these days,s o it's probably best to keep those expectations low.

[CajoleJuice]

I bought Bully when it was on sale for 19.99 like a month after it came out.

And never opened it.

[TVC15]

That's a tragedy.  It's a pretty good game.  Better than any other R* game aside from maybe The Warriors.

[Himu]

It's not better than The Warriors, and it's not better than GTA either, or the Max Payne games.

[CajoleJuice]

I still mean to play it eventually. I'd say the fact that I never started DMC3 is more of the tragedy. I still want to beat DMC1 first.

Whatever happened to the rumored 360 version of Bully? I'd buy and play that.

ACHIEVEMENTS

[Himu]

it's not rumored

Speaking of R*, I still haven't gotten Table Tennis. I wonder how cheap that is these days. I'll get after Xmas

[CajoleJuice]

Why did I hear so much shit about that then?  Fucking GAF.

[Himu]

I thought it wasn't a rumor?

Anyways gotta support R*, one of my favorite western devs. I'll pick up the 360 version of Bully myself if it's true, if only to support em. Hopefully they fix my issues with the original game.

[TVC15]

It's not better than The Warriors, and it's not better than GTA either, or the Max Payne games.

Max Payne doesn't count as R*!  That's Remedy.

[Himu]

true

[CajoleJuice]

I thought it wasn't a rumor?

Anyways gotta support R*, one of my favorite western devs. I'll pick up the 360 version of Bully myself if it's true, if only to support em. Hopefully they fix my issues with the original game.

It was a rumor a while ago!

[MCD]

They also made Table Tennis.

[Himu]

Oh really? I thought that was Rockstar testing out the Euphoria engine or whatever.

Table Tennis is good right?

[MCD]

Dunno about it really.

and their next gen engine is called "Rockstar Advanced Game Engine (RAGE)":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Advanced_Game_Engine

[Himu]

Ah right. I forgot about that. Rage Engine is the GRAPHICS engine, but Euphoria is their physics engine.

[Vizzys]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/data/942199.html

?

how reliable is gamefaqs tho, really

[Himu]

it's coming to wii and 360

[Mupepe]

gta's story is absolutely terrible and makes it incredibly hard to finish the missions.  and the missions are boring as fuck.  I can never get past like 15 hours in a GTA.  as soon as i unlock all the places to go to, i stop caring about the story at all.

also, GTA's have never been immersive.  sorry.  and yes, blah blah blah, limitations of next gen.  i understand.

but we've all seen what can happen to otherwise good developers if they can't keep up the pace with next gen.  so we'll see.  and there was never more than like a dozen people on screen at once in GTA and far less when you started shooting and blowing shit up.

[Himu]

Man, why did they take the table tennis demo off of xbl

How can you say GTA games aren't immersive, Ed? I remember when GTAIII came out and you were like this is the best game ever. What happened

[Smooth Groove]

Wow, the character models are insanely detailed. 

[Himu]

?

[Smooth Groove]

They look like real people in the new trailer.  Lighting looks ridiculously real too.