MGS4 360 officially confirmed

[Phoenix Dark]

Payton said the new "Metal Gear Solid" needs to sell over a million copies on the first day it goes on sale due to its costly production, but that may be a tough mark to hit given sluggish PS3 sales.

As of October, only 2 million PS3s had been sold in the United States, compared to 5.2 million Wii consoles from rival Nintendo and 7.2 million Xbox 360s from Microsoft, according to market research firm NPD.

A year after its release, only two PS3 games have sold more than 1 million copies, a benchmark of financial success for a big-budget game. The 7-year-old PlayStation 2 had nearly 100 games sell more than a million copies.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSLAU93973120071129?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

Pay no mind to the article's title. Hideo may want it on the PS3 only, but there's no way the higher ups at Konami are thrilled at the prospect of losing millions of dollars developing exclusively on the PS3. Japanese companies aren't built to withstand big losses like this - as compared to US companies who have a much larger install base to sell to usually.

If anything it's a 3 month exclusive.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'll believe it when it happens. There's no way a 360 port is not in development (at some level) as we speak

[hyp]

MGS4 won't even do 500k its first month. 

[The Sceneman]

I cant wait for the 360 version

[Phoenix Dark]

Amongst those in the know this is already a reality.

3 month exclusive, or will both versions be released on the same day?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

PS3

[Phoenix Dark]

Both scenerios seems logical. Obviously a 1-3 month exclusive would give the PS3 a chance to rake in sales, but either way I'd expect the 360 version to outsell it. People find humor in NPD sales but I'm sure third parties see nothing to laugh about. We're going to see a lot more multiconsole titles than ever in 2008. If Sony is truly not interested in "buying" exclusives, I'd expect the year to have very few exclusive titles for that system. Apparently Rockstar's next game is a PS3 exclusive, but time will tell...

[Himu]

I can't believe people are actually expecting MGS4 ps3 to do well. Remember MGS3? Yeah. When that came out I was the only person I know playing it, compared to MGS2, which EVERYONE was playing. And that was on the PS2. And you guys expect MGS4 to do well on the ps3? laffo.

[Himu]

I'm sure there is some place deep within konami. I still don't know what they expect, even if you put it on the 360 and they launch same day it still won't sell 1 million copies. There is no fucking way unless 360 fans buy a shit load of copies to piss off PS3 fans.

It probably won't sell 1 million copies on day one, but it will EVENTUALLY, and I think you underestimating the amount of ps2 fans who have jumped ship

[Himu]

Really? Maybe when the game had a price drop?

[Himu]

I thought it sold considerably worse than MGS2, and that it struggled to hit 1m units sold? At least, that is what I heard way back when?

[Himu]

I was mainly talking about north america

[MCD]

I don't know whether to buy it on PS3 or wait for the superior 360 version

[thekavorka]

*prays*

[Kyle]

i can remember someone drooling over the PS3 footage at TGS 2006 (from which the game now looks downgraded totally) and saying "X360? who cares? they can have their 1% sales - THIS is next gen"

hoho.

I just hope they shine this shit up for Xenos.

I want the 360 version to look like the old PC MGS4 Demo, that has HDR lighting and self shadowing.

Xenos

[Van Cruncheon]

this is like the worst-kept secret in the industry

[Kyle]

i've heard that it is running the exact same engine but - um - looks like that might not be too true.

it would be hilariously funny if the X360 version ended up being superior... it won't, but it would still be funny

the PC Demo is not impossible to do on the Xbox 360 at all.

unless, Kojima will do some kind of a revenge on the Xbox and put the game on 2 disc with more downgraded graphics and says the Xbox is inferior to the PS3 

[MCD]

there is just one problem though with this coming to X360...


... MGS is shite!

Who cares

i just want a good laugh.

[Kyle]

Oh.. I'd like to see the 360 version announcement thread in NeoGAF..

I can see that day coming *evil-ish smile*

[Himu]

I don't think MGS3 is overrated. Do you mean compared to the other MGS'?

[MCD]

What made me love MGS1 is the indoor areas and the characters.

MGS2 and 3 failed to capture that for me.

[TVC15]

That is unknown, although the recent admissions from Konami higher ups make it sound as though day one is now an option.

The secret isn't that secret anymore; I've got confirmation from multiple independent sources, which means that the team working on it can't keep secrets, which is probably an indicator that a lot of people are working on the port.  I mean, we know Kojima's team's got tight lips.

[Himu]

What made me love MGS1 is the indoor areas and the characters.

MGS2 and 3 failed to capture that for me.

I agree there, but The Boss is good. Plus, MGS3 has RAIDENOVICH

[Kyle]

"meh, Uncharted is the best 3rd person action game now anyways... and the new Syphon Filter game will be better" Aka i am crying onto my cornflakes.

[MCD]

I agree there, but The Boss is good. Plus, MGS3 has RAIDENOVICH.

She's fine, but Liquid

and lol Raiden.

[Himu]

Raidenovich was hilarious. Volgen and him beat each others dicks daily.

[Kyle]

I'm waiting for that day 

[Trent Dole]

Gahaha, I so want to go post that box art in Neo. 

[MCD]

Need the "Only on Xbox 360" logo for total lol.

[Cormacaroni]

wow, i knew it had been uglified since that first demo but my god, it's like it went back a generation. even Ubi Shanghai's SC entry makes it look like pigshit...Conviction should look and play considerably nicer.

...and when the gaf thread finally comes, i expect about 1,000 SDF'ers to suddenly be all 'honestly, who didn't expect this..'

[Flannel Boy]

'honestly, who didn't expect this..'

Seriously, in the X360 anthemn that we will sing at Sony's funeral, this will be the last line as we dump the ceremonial "Cat Coffin" into it's final resting place

"Oh, poor at start/
 though shills did spin/
 you were destined to fail/
 
 to come so late /
 and with price so high/
 there was a lack of sale/


 though brave Kens neck/
 did get the chop/
 and xbots did take the piss/

 With plans gormless/
 and games so shit/
 honestly, who did not expect this?"

 Sony PS3, RIP, January 11th 2008

[Phoenix Dark]

That is unknown, although the recent admissions from Konami higher ups make it sound as though day one is now an option.

The secret isn't that secret anymore; I've got confirmation from multiple independent sources, which means that the team working on it can't keep secrets, which is probably an indicator that a lot of people are working on the port.  I mean, we know Kojima's team's got tight lips.

I cannot fucking wait for the day it's announced. Oh god, it'll be epic

[thekavorka]

fuck the haters

mgs3 was the best game of last-gen

[Phoenix Dark]

fuck the haters

smg was the best game of last-gen

fixed

[MCD]

wow, i knew it had been uglified since that first demo but my god, it's like it went back a generation. even Ubi Shanghai's SC entry makes it look like pigshit...Conviction should look and play considerably nicer.

...and when the gaf thread finally comes, i expect about 1,000 SDF'ers to suddenly be all 'honestly, who didn't expect this..'

SC: Conviction is based on AC engine (scimitar), so i am pretty sure that it will look better.

[BamYouHaveAids]

'honestly, who didn't expect this..'

Seriously, in the X360 anthemn that we will sing at Sony's funeral, this will be the last line as we dump the ceremonial "Cat Coffin" into it's final resting place

"Oh, poor at start/
 though shills did spin/
 you were destined to fail/
 
 to come so late /
 and with price so high/
 there was a lack of sale/


 though brave Kens neck/
 did get the chop/
 and xbots did take the piss/

 With plans gormless/
 and games so shit/
 honestly, who did not expect this?"

 Sony PS3, RIP, January 11th 2008

[Cormacaroni]

dcharlie

no shit

[Smooth Groove]

mgs3 was the best game of last-gen

it was definitely the best game called MGS which also contained a 3 , of that there is no doubt.

(i appreciate people do love it and although i don't get it, it's entirely fine that people think this)

with that in mind, PS3/x360 version? Which one?

Even with weaker hardware, the PS3 version will most likely be better.  Kojima always gives the PC answers but I get the impression that he's reluctant in helping any non-Japanese platform succeed.  

[Cormacaroni]

wow, i knew it had been uglified since that first demo but my god, it's like it went back a generation. even Ubi Shanghai's SC entry makes it look like pigshit...Conviction should look and play considerably nicer.

...and when the gaf thread finally comes, i expect about 1,000 SDF'ers to suddenly be all 'honestly, who didn't expect this..'

SC: Conviction is based on AC engine (scimitar), so i am pretty sure that it will look better.

Cool. Did you ever play the later street combat levels in SC: DA? I thought they were pretty kick-ass i.e. the way MGS is in my head but never actually is when I play it.

[Cormacaroni]

Yeah, legions of poor Konamibots have to slave away making fucking Pilates DS and shite to finance his monkey fart jokes...can't be fun.

i guess it's quite possible that the 360 version could end up being the definitive version (temporarily at least), much like VF5. at least you'd expect it to have more virtual missions and such. not to mention no Sixaxis wankery.

[Smooth Groove]

Kojima always gives the PC answers but I get the impression that he's reluctant in helping any non-Japanese platform succeed.

lol- given his stubborn "we want to save the PS3 by slitting our own throats" mentality , i hardly think he cares about Konami succeeding either!

There's a few rumblings of discontent from other teams apparently. If Kojima's team are the big money sponge and they aren't going to be fiscally responsible then other people in other teams must feel well and truly shat on.

"Oh, your bonus? Kojima used it to hire someone to render Snakes tash... PS3 exclusive! so we must prepare for loses..."


the BIG Issue for sony here though is if the X360 isn't SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the PS3 version, ships on one disk, etc. then the whole "Power of Playstation" mantra is dead (though Burnout 5 should put a bullet in that ones throat anyways)

Yeah, I doubt the 360 port happend because of Kojima.  Most likely, his bosses decided that they've to recoup the developmental costs somehow, despite Kojima's wish for MGS4 to be PS3 exclusive. 

Judging from the past MGS games on non-Sony systems, Kojima seems to care about non-Playstation MGS games as much as Gabe Newell cares about Orange Box on anything other than the PC and 360.   

Funny how the Newell haters didn't whine about Kojima not taking care of the platform with the smaller userbase.  Instead, it was just proof of the PS2's superior hardware. 

[Cormacaroni]

bear in mind that past MGS games on other platforms didn't mean that much of a boost in the game's reach. the financial incentive is considerably different in bringing it to 360 vs bringing mgs to xbox 1/GC.

Although it's been so long since i first heard it was being done on 360 that i hesitate to even call it a port...it's much more like parallel development surely. it's quite possible it's no more a port to 360 than Assassin's Creed.

[Smooth Groove]

I wonder if it's true that SE and Konami approached MS about paying for ports of FF and MGS.  If that were true, MS should have just told them to fuck off.  MS shouldn't be paying for the PS3's developmental costs.  If any Japanese company wants to be the new Sega, then let them do it.  

[MCD]

Cool. Did you ever play the later street combat levels in SC: DA? I thought they were pretty kick-ass i.e. the way MGS is in my head but never actually is when I play it.

SC: DA was my first SC game, i enjoyed it but overall, i think Ubisoft can do a better job, it just didn't feel complete to me.

hopefully, they do it right with Conviction.

[Kyle]

dcharlie

[brawndolicious]

Cool. Did you ever play the later street combat levels in SC: DA? I thought they were pretty kick-ass i.e. the way MGS is in my head but never actually is when I play it.

the problem was that the street level was pretty short overall (I only played with the "good" ending though).  I really loved the hotel level before it actually because there were a lot of creative parts to it.  I'd be surprised if MGS4 turns out looking as good as SC:DA actually since the gameplay demo they showed a couple months ago didn't look nearly as good.  not technically anyways.

Assuming there isn't a same day release date (because kojima wants this to have some PS3 exclusivity), is this likely to release around a month later or holiday 08?  holiday season is usually pretty crowded, and konami skipped this holiday season with MGS4 for PS3.

[MCD]

You know, i could be wrong on SC:C engine, it could be their modified UE3 after all.

[Bloodwake]

Jesus, another MGS4 360 thread.

When it's actually confirmed, give me a call. Until then, let's stop this bullshit.

[Mupepe]

MGS3 is one of my favorite games ever.

[ferrarimanf355]

Amongst those in the know this is already a reality.

3 month exclusive, or will both versions be released on the same day?

I'm guessing that there will be a MGS4: Substance, with extra content, and that the X360 will get that a year after release.

[Solo]

Amongst those in the know this is already a reality.

3 month exclusive, or will both versions be released on the same day?

Youre even dumber than I thought if you think MAF is "in the know". No, Im not saying there wont be a 360 MGS4, but Im saying no one here knows one way or the other.

fuck the haters

mgs2 was the best game of last-gen

For the greater good

[Mupepe]

oh solo... that's not MAF

[Solo]

My apologies then, good sir.
I cant keep up with MAFs ever changing avatar/name. Now that Im done falsely insulting you, may I ask what position you do hold/how you know? Id be over the moon if I dont need to drop 400 dollars on the PS3 just for MGS4.

[demi]

Genghis Cohen is Mr. Billiam Rygar, he had changed because of work related reasons

[MrAngryFace]

Im SERVER division, I dont know anything about teh games. LEMME ALONE!

[brawndolicious]

I don't know if it was NDA or what but genghis doesn't want to tell everybody what company he works for.