1989 Usenet Post explores birth in Ninfags.

[GilloD]

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.video/browse_thread/thread/20a424131aa87d20/6abe3ad008a34398?lnk=st&q=#6abe3ad008a34398

>Personally, I think the Nintendo is a piece of right wing garbage akin to the
>IBM PC.  Slow, out of date, but heavily marketed so that mindless dweenies will
>think it's the hottest thing since Zelda had her first period. 

Um..... I think you are missing a small (yeah right) point about the Nintento
Games... THERE FUN!!!! Gee, now isn't that a novel concept, a bunch of video
games that are fun to play.  In my house we have Sega Master System, Genesis
and NES.  Take a guess which gets played the most? Come on guess. Give up?
The NES.  Why becaue it has such FUN games as Zelda, Link, Metroid, SMB2, Metal
Gear, Fester's Quest, Double Dragon, et. al.  The only thing my brothers (who
are 9 and 13) use the Genesis for (Sega Master system now sits in a closet.)
is Sports games.  That's because good sports games look better on a system with
awesome graphics.  My brothers still play sports games on NES too.  The NES has
something that the ATARI 2600 used to beat the superior Intellivision:
playabilty.  I can still give you a list of ATARI 2600 games that I would not
mind playing today, most of them were made by Activision, but there are still
some atari classics.  To make a long story short (Too late :-) great hardware
does not a great system make.  This is both true for PC's and Video Gaming
systems.  I still prefer PC's over Macs, and NES over Genesis.  As a closeing
note

GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WILL BUY!!; NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY WILL LIKE!!!!!!!

>Scott Le Grand

[Van Cruncheon]

scott "oppressor" le grand, co-founder of 4play!

[Smooth Groove]

Drinky, were you still there when Omarichu was posting?  That guy did a better job of pissing people off than any of the trolls today.  Also, Marty Chinn's name was mentioned in disdain long after he was gone.  It was funny to see Marty at GAF behaving in exactly the same manner as he was described on Usenet. 

[Ichirou]

Did Drinky post on Usenet?  I was a very frequent Usenet poster from 1996 to 2000.  I knew a bunch of people who migrated to other forums later on: Darien Allen, Omarichu, Marty Chinn, Joe Ottoson, Charles Doane, Charles Miller, Jr., Tsubaki, etc., etc.

I hung out at rec.games.video.sega and rec.games.video.sony, mostly.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

1989?  WTF.  I don't think I really understood what the hell a modem was back then, let alone usenet.  In 1989 it had to have been like when Alexander Bell just invented the telephone and there were only 12 people that owned one.  The fact that this guy actually found another person to discuss videogames back then is impressive.

[ToxicAdam]

I used to post on Fidonet (90-94) .. which was essentially a collection of BBS's that would swap messages back and forth. I don't think anyone had the foresight to archive all of those messages .. I would love to go back and look through them.

[CajoleJuice]

Wow, 1990.

I was 4.

[ToxicAdam]

Oh, you missed out on 2400 baud modems. They were so fast!

[bagofeyes]

I remember when my family got a computer with a CD drive. Bad ass 

[bork]

Did Drinky post on Usenet?  I was a very frequent Usenet poster from 1996 to 2000.  I knew a bunch of people who migrated to other forums later on: Darien Allen, Omarichu, Marty Chinn, Joe Ottoson, Charles Doane, Charles Miller, Jr., Tsubaki, etc., etc.

I hung out at rec.games.video.sega and rec.games.video.sony, mostly.

I recognize most of those names.  Remember the Mario Monks and Nobody's Perfect?       I asked DarienA on GAF several times over a 5 year period if he was the same guy from Usenet, and he'd NEVER reply.  It was weird.  He finally did last year in a usenet thread on GAF.   

I posted on the rec.games.video forums and a little on alt.games.sf2 from the end of 1994 to around sometime in 2000.  Usually under variations of "light edge," "lite edge," "lyte edge," or my real name. 

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I found the thread from last year!

Ha ha ha...Terrrybear.  I remember him, and also other infamous posters like Ms. PSX, The Mario Monks, Nobody's Perfect, and more.  There were those constant Buyrite games scams that got some entertaining responses after their reputation became well-know, as I recall.

I searched for myself the google newsgroup search, and found some old reviews I wrote back in my high school and college days.  Good times, bad grammar. 

Pocket Fighter PSX Review  Good lord, talk about massively overrating a game! 

Japanese Metal Gear Solid review

Vampire Savior Saturn review.  I still view this as one of the best fighting games ever made.  Loved the hell out of it.

X-Men Vs. SF Saturn review. The comments after are pretty fun to read now. 

Garou MOTW Neo-Geo review, which I posted in Neo-Geo mailing lists and I think on a forum or two, but decided to also try in it alt.games.sf2...no responses. 

Super Galdelic Hour PS2 review.


And there's also the old infamous Silpheed TLP thread, where I said the game sucked, didn't post for a few days, and was declared a troll "full of hot air" by Mr. Ireland himself, as well as a few WD-asskissers, which was amusing, since me saying that the CAPCOM-published game (in Japan) sucked had absolutely nothing to do with WD.  More good times!

Also: Kenji Eno of Warp sez: "PS2 CANNOT HANDLE D2 AND SHEN MUE."

[zeergoth]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[The Fake Shemp]

I posted on Usenet

[Ichirou]

I remember the Mario Monks.  Holy Jesus...annoying as fuck.  That's why I NEVER posted in rec.games.video.nintendo.

I also remember Nobody's Perfect.  Do you remember some wacky Japanese (or maybe not!) guy named Takeo Shimizu?  He was pretty fucking insane.  He was a big Sega fanboy.  Looking back, he was probably a joke character.  Raymond McKeithen II, remember him?  Man, I wonder what he's up to.  He was really into the Sega Saturn import scene. Charles Doane was fucking INSANE.  He was like the direct precursor of people like Synbios and G.  Lucan Duran was also a regular on RGVS, he made an account here but he's never posted, I think he's turned off by the anti-japafag vibe that sometimes surrounds the gaming forum.

I also hung out with some Usenet folks online: Yanachan, TerraEpon, and Moonprince (AKA Tsubaki) were on IRC quite a bit.  Cool guys, all of them.  John Hokanson, Jr. was also on IRC once in a while, he was a huge Sega fanboy who got into some online scraps with Victor Ireland.  Remember how often Victor Ireland (Working Designs prez) posted on the RGVS forums?  He was there daily and actually sold a lot of old game stuff via Usenet, not like he is on GAF nowadays.

I actually got my copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga from Joe Ottoson for $35.  I actually got a bunch of games from people I met on RGVS...Astra Superstars, Vampire Savior, X-Men Vs. Street Fighter....and some old SFC games as well.

I actually OWN Super Galdelic Hour now - I found it my first year in Japan selling for like 200 yen, and I couldn't resist.

Do you remember the Zach Meston megaton posts?  I think he may have gotten into legal trouble for those, he broke an NDA to talk tons of shit about Victor Ireland and Working Designs.

Nick Rox also posted there, I think.  He was the object of much derision.

[Ichirou]

Joshua Kaufman/TerraEpon is in one of the threads, hahahaha.  OH man, he was fun.  He went completely insane at one point, I remember.  Had some sort of nervous breakdown.  He was like PD when it came to wanting to have sex.

[tiesto]

I used to post every once in a while in RGV Sega/Sony... I remember a few of those names you mentioned, specifically Omarichu, Raymond McKeithen (I remember he was a big Suchi Pai fanatic), and Charles Doane. Goodcow also posted there quite a bit.

[Fragamemnon]

c.s.i.p.g.* was the best place for PC gaming discussion for a very, very long time. Especially if you weren't a super FPS gearhead (those discussions migrated to the web sooner than those for other genres).

[jiji]

Raymond McKeithen started up a forum on ezboard called "Enlightened Console Gaming." I can't remember if I ever did anything but lurk, but I do remember seeing Lucan Duran, Alan Kwan, and Tsubaki there. It was a pretty slow place, and I think it eventually died (I can't find it anymore). Those guys got me into Suchie Pai. (Should I be admitting that?)

Oh, it's still there! http://p196.ezboard.com/Enlightened-Console-Gaming/benlightenedconsolegaming

But there's been no new posts since '05. 

I read a lot of rgvs back then, but I was strictly a lurker.  Omarichu even got me a bit riled up back then.

[Himu]

It's amazing how things haven't changed at all! 

[Mondain]

Nobody's Perfect is Deadmeat/DeadmeatGA... so yeah, nothing changed at all, every day Deadmeat still starts about ten purposedly misleading threads that spell Sony's doom

except that he now denies any link to the Nobody's Perfect persona and deems the Saturn to have a shit design

[y2kev]

I was 2 in 1990.

My neighbor had a modem, but I think it was 9600 baud...that was the first time I ever saw a modem. It was external 

[Ichirou]

I used to post every once in a while in RGV Sega/Sony... I remember a few of those names you mentioned, specifically Omarichu, Raymond McKeithen (I remember he was a big Suchi Pai fanatic), and Charles Doane. Goodcow also posted there quite a bit.

Was Good Cow known as Mad Cow back in Usenet?  Or are they two different people?

Yeah, Raymond McKeithen II was really into the Suchie Pai mahjong games.  I wish I knew how to play mahjong.

[Ichirou]

Raymond McKeithen started up a forum on ezboard called "Enlightened Console Gaming." I can't remember if I ever did anything but lurk, but I do remember seeing Lucan Duran, Alan Kwan, and Tsubaki there. It was a pretty slow place, and I think it eventually died (I can't find it anymore). Those guys got me into Suchie Pai. (Should I be admitting that?)

Oh, it's still there! http://p196.ezboard.com/Enlightened-Console-Gaming/benlightenedconsolegaming

But there's been no new posts since '05. 

I read a lot of rgvs back then, but I was strictly a lurker.  Omarichu even got me a bit riled up back then.

Yeah, I used to frequent that board as well, people barely posted in it.  I wonder what those guys are up to.  I still talk to Lucan Duran, Tsubaki, and Yanachan from there, but I've lost touch with everybody else.

[tiesto]

I used to post every once in a while in RGV Sega/Sony... I remember a few of those names you mentioned, specifically Omarichu, Raymond McKeithen (I remember he was a big Suchi Pai fanatic), and Charles Doane. Goodcow also posted there quite a bit.

Was Good Cow known as Mad Cow back in Usenet?  Or are they two different people?

Yeah, Raymond McKeithen II was really into the Suchie Pai mahjong games.  I wish I knew how to play mahjong.

I think Goodcow might have gone by his real name, Phillip Roncoroni (sp?)... There was another dude named Brian who used to post there (I think he went by "bsbrian" or something), he went to the same college as I did, I think we were gonna hang out one day but never got around to it.

Here's a cool link for you, Ichirou and whoever else is interested:
Memorable RGVS Quotes: http://www.whipassgaming.com/rgvsquotes.html

Both me and Drinky have quotes on this page, heh heh.

[Smooth Groove]

I asked DarienA on GAF several times over a 5 year period if he was the same guy from Usenet, and he'd NEVER reply.  It was weird.  He finally did last year in a usenet thread on GAF.   

DarienA left a little after I started reading Usenet.  He was just as hypersensitive about Sony criticism back then.  Just as pompous too. 

Charles Doane was fucking INSANE.  He was like the direct precursor of people like Synbios and G.  Lucan Duran was also a regular on RGVS, he made an account here but he's never posted, I think he's turned off by the anti-japafag vibe that sometimes surrounds the gaming forum.


I actually got my copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga from Joe Ottoson for $35.  I actually got a bunch of games from people I met on RGVS...Astra Superstars, Vampire Savior, X-Men Vs. Street Fighter....and some old SFC games as well.

It's been awhile but wasn't Doane some extreme conservatist? I remembered him having even more and longer e-beefs than St. C.   He wasn't like Synbios or G at all.  In fact, he was like the exact opposite because he was scarily serious. 

What happen to Ottoson?  I remembe him too and he reminds me of several people on GAF.  People started to hate him after the collapse of Sega because he just started bashing on Xbox fans, old Sega fans, and even Sony fans who criticized Sega.  It was like he just hated everything.  He also talked down to all fighting fans like they were noob. 

[Gay Boy]

1989? Jesus...I was 3! 

[Joe Molotov]

1989?  WTF.  I don't think I really understood what the hell a modem was back then, let alone usenet.  In 1989 it had to have been like when Alexander Bell just invented the telephone and there were only 12 people that owned one.  The fact that this guy actually found another person to discuss videogames back then is impressive.

He was probably connecting to Prodigy on his kick-ass 2400 baud modem. He had to hurry up and disconnect after making that post so he didn't get charged for another hour.

[Ichirou]

I used to post every once in a while in RGV Sega/Sony... I remember a few of those names you mentioned, specifically Omarichu, Raymond McKeithen (I remember he was a big Suchi Pai fanatic), and Charles Doane. Goodcow also posted there quite a bit.

Was Good Cow known as Mad Cow back in Usenet?  Or are they two different people?

Yeah, Raymond McKeithen II was really into the Suchie Pai mahjong games.  I wish I knew how to play mahjong.

I think Goodcow might have gone by his real name, Phillip Roncoroni (sp?)... There was another dude named Brian who used to post there (I think he went by "bsbrian" or something), he went to the same college as I did, I think we were gonna hang out one day but never got around to it.

Here's a cool link for you, Ichirou and whoever else is interested:
Memorable RGVS Quotes: http://www.whipassgaming.com/rgvsquotes.html

Both me and Drinky have quotes on this page, heh heh.

Oh shiz...Phillip Roncoroni WAS Mad Cow.

[Ichirou]

There's a few quotes from me on that page too, btw.

This was me:

I can just see it now...Bernie's in his Superman costume, pretending to fly, when his secretary comes into his office...

Secretary: Sir, a representative from Sega of Japan is here to see you...

Bernie: Whooosh! Zooom! Ah, what an unexpected surprise...give him a Batman cape and let him in!

SOJ Rep: Hello, Mr. Stolar.

B: Put on your cape, man! Your cape!

SOJ: Uh, all right...

B: Now, then, old friend. What did you want to talk to me about? Is there a menace in Gotham City?

SOJ: Uh, no, er...'Superman.'

B: It's not like you to pay social visits, Batman.

SOJ: Well, 'Superman', I'm here on behalf of Sega Enterprises, I've been assigned to relieve you of your position.

B: What?

SOJ: Yes, that's right, take Krypto and get the hell out of here.

B: Why, you cad! You must be under the control of some criminal mastermind!

SOJ takes off cap.

SOJ: Bernie, get the hell out of here...

B: You mean, you're SERIOUS!?!?!? But, I was having so much fun running Sega!

SOJ: That's nice, Bernie. But I think it's time we took you back to the retirement home and gave you your medication.

B: But I don't like that place! The people there are mean and they don't let me watch TV!

SOJ: Well, we'll give you your own TV, how's that?

B: Really? That's great! Okay, let's go!

Bernie had done a photo shoot with Next Generation magazine dressed up as Superman, that's where this comes from.

[Ichirou]

Yeah, Charles Doane was pretty scary...but I didn't take him seriously back then.  He lived in the middle of the desert in Arizona and basically hated everything that was non-video game related.  He was obsessed with Sailor Moon and Hello Kitty.  He had been in the military and often hinted that he and a group of other guys had killed somebody because they suspected he was gay.

[Ichirou]

OMG OMG OMG SOMEONE NAMED JOTTOSON JUST SIGNED UP

...could it be?!

[JOttoson]

What happen to Ottoson?  I remembe him too and he reminds me of several people on GAF.  People started to hate him after the collapse of Sega because he just started bashing on Xbox fans, old Sega fans, and even Sony fans who criticized Sega.  It was like he just hated everything.  He also talked down to all fighting fans like they were noob. 

I gave up on finding a decent news host, and that was the end of my Usenet postings. Still lurk around on GAF under the ID Freshmaker. I barely comment on gaming stuff anymore. (Too busy playing VF5 on Live.)

[Himu]

Here's a cool link for you, Ichirou and whoever else is interested:
Memorable RGVS Quotes: http://www.whipassgaming.com/rgvsquotes.html

Both me and Drinky have quotes on this page, heh heh.

what were your nicks

[Van Cruncheon]

hey joe! castellan/wrathful god of moses/drinky crow here.

[Rman]

Here's a cool link for you, Ichirou and whoever else is interested:
Memorable RGVS Quotes: http://www.whipassgaming.com/rgvsquotes.html

Both me and Drinky have quotes on this page, heh heh.

what were your nicks

They talk about Nick Rox's blue shadows, hard core SFA saturn review.  I remember reading that review back in the day.

[JOttoson]

hey joe! castellan/wrathful god of moses/drinky crow here.

Hey!

[demi]

How did you find this site?

on topic- i was 4 during this time so yeah - old farts itt

[zeergoth]

How did you find this site?

on topic- i was 4 during this time so yeah - old farts itt

Isn't almost everyone here 25+?

[JOttoson]

Someone emailed me a link to the thread. Funny because I'd been thinking about some old usenet stuff the week before. (People staking their reputation as a journalist against Vic Ireland's word etc.)

[abrader]

I use to be all up in rec.games.video.nintendo and rec.games.video.sony

[The Fake Shemp]

I didn't know if that was the real Joe Ottoson.  I thought he died.

[JOttoson]

I didn't know if that was the real Joe Ottoson.  I thought he died.

That was my clone. BJ Major only thought she'd succeeded.

[JOttoson]

Cool. Perhaps I'll be featured on Monster Hunters.

[Smooth Groove]

I gave up on finding a decent news host, and that was the end of my Usenet postings. Still lurk around on GAF under the ID Freshmaker. I barely comment on gaming stuff anymore. (Too busy playing VF5 on Live.)

You got a 360?  Wow, some things do change after all.  Are you still owning people in fighting games?  You should tell us some stuff about fighting games so that we know it's the real Ottoson. 

How did you find this site?

on topic- i was 4 during this time so yeah - old farts itt

Ottoson and many of the others were still on Usenet up until 3-5 yrs ago. 

[Saint Cornelius]

I miss the days of using local BBS to meet other weirdos and have LAN parties.

I also miss Blast City like a motherfucka - god that was an awesome site.

[zeergoth]

I miss the days of using local BBS to meet other weirdos and have LAN parties.

I also miss Blast City like a motherfucka - god that was an awesome site.

HOLY SHIT BLAST CITY!! That brings back tons of memorys! I remember there was a couple off-shoots, one of which was a Nintendo board, what else was there? Also, do you remember Imashroom?

[Smooth Groove]

What was Blast City?  I kinda miss Daily Radar.  It was like a more entertaining 1up. 

[Saint Cornelius]

HOLY SHIT BLAST CITY!! That brings back tons of memorys! I remember there was a couple off-shoots, one of which was a Nintendo board, what else was there? Also, do you remember Imashroom?

Ahhh, I always thought GAf was a Blast City offshoot! Imashroom... sounds so familiar! I miss Wavelflack, that guy was like a literate coherent version of Parcher.

[Saint Cornelius]

What was Blast City?

Sega message board specializing in the DC. When it went tits up, so did the forum.

I kinda miss Daily Radar.  It was like a more entertaining 1up. 

THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

[zeergoth]

What was Blast City?  I kinda miss Daily Radar.  It was like a more entertaining 1up. 

It was sort of like GAF except back during the Saturn/DC era. It was very popular and I remember it went crazy right up to the DC launch. The guy that owned it was a dick and hardly ever around. Much like GAF it went to shit after awhile (around 2002 I think) and eventually got shut down, along with the Nintendo board. It was my first mssg board I ever really was into.

synbios used to post there under the alias DCWiz.

[zeergoth]

Imashroom was the guy that was like 50 something and used to talk about religion a lot, he was a die-hard atheist but he used to be jewish I believe.

[JOttoson]

You got a 360?  Wow, some things do change after all.

I thought the 360 was much better positioned than the Xbox was. Never really had anything against MS. Only system I haven't gotten around to this time is the Wii. (No real reason on that front. Maybe if another F Zero appears...)

Are you still owning people in fighting games?  You should tell us some stuff about fighting games so that we know it's the real Ottoson. 
 

Like scrubby scrubs who are scrubs would ever understand anything I said on the subject.

Seriously though, I've mellowed on that front as well. (Too time intensive to get great at a fighter) GT's Marredjin if anyone wants to take me on.

[Smooth Groove]

You got a 360?  Wow, some things do change after all.

I thought the 360 was much better positioned than the Xbox was. Never really had anything against MS. Only system I haven't gotten around to this time is the Wii. (No real reason on that front. Maybe if another F Zero appears...)

I remember how you ripped apart the PS2 fans who crapped on online fighters even though you didn't like the Xbox.  Was Live the main reason why you finally got a MS console? 

What was Blast City?

Sega message board specializing in the DC. When it went tits up, so did the forum.

I kinda miss Daily Radar.  It was like a more entertaining 1up. 

THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

You didn't like Dan Egger?  He was like Shane B on steroids.  It was funny how his hyperbole drove all the non-Sony fans nuts. 

[JOttoson]

I remember how you ripped apart the PS2 fans who crapped on online fighters even though you didn't like the Xbox.  Was Live the main reason why you finally got a MS console? 
 

Eh. Hard to really jump onboard just for that when the only 360 fighter was DOA4, with no real hint that VF etc would eventually follow. Add to that I'm not a FPS fan, and Live didn't offer me any huge incentive though it was a bonus. When I got the 360, the Wii had just been announced, and the PS3 was being presented as overly high end, so I thought that 360 split the difference and best fit the traditional gaming niche this time around.

My PS3's been getting the short shrift. It's mainly been running BR's lately. 

[recursivelyenumerable]

I keep running into various r.g.v.* and IRC folks in completely unrelated contexts.  Cleve Blakemore's occasional trolling of liberal blogs has been especially enjoyable.

[Ichirou]

hey joe! castellan/wrathful god of moses/drinky crow here.

Hey!

Joe, jbarragan here.  We used to talk quite a bit on RGVSega, you ended up selling me your copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga, for which I am eternally grateful.  Glad to see you here!

[Smooth Groove]

What happened to Omar?  He really was the best at riling up people. 

[Ichirou]

I wanna know what happened to Charles Doane.  Did he finally snap and kill himself?

[Van Cruncheon]

I wanna know what happened to Charles Doane.  Did he finally snap and kill himself?

or, more accurately, did he finally snap and kill himself and take anyone with him

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I mostly posted on r.a.g.f-f 

....at least it wasn't a.g.f-f.rpg

[Ichirou]

Do you remember The Charles Doane Hate Page?  Had MP3s using voice samples of his, animated gifs, and select quotes of him saying insane things like how he walked around with his gun and showed it off to bums if they looked like they were going to panhandle him.

The creepy thing about Doane is, I was doing a search and I found a conversation between me and him on Usenet and he was talking about how he loved Hello Kitty, Magic Knight Rayearth, and Sailor Moon...but he was also (according to him) ex-military and basically had an arsenal of weaponry in his home.

I'm sure if he died, he went out in a hail of bullets.

There was a Nick Rox hate page too.  People in Usenet were so extreme.

EDIT: Doane is still alive, at least as of mid-2007.  I just did a Google search with his name and Arizona (as that's where he lived) and found his Amazon wish list.