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Official 2008 Election thread
« on: December 07, 2007, 06:25:23 PM »
*This thread is for discussion on the election, polls discussion, etc.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 06:26:02 PM »
Bono in 2008
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 06:27:13 PM »
The republicans are dead because of the Iraq issue.
Hillary will not be the Dem's nom.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 06:27:18 PM »
:bow

Here is something to get you kids going:
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Clinton Aide Gives Edwards the Edge in Iowa

Washington Wire reports an adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton says John Edwards’s support with veteran Iowa caucus-goers gives him the edge in the first state that will vote for presidential nominees. "But Des Moines Register sage David Yepsen warns Edwards would suffer if Obama and Clinton succeed in attracting college students and older women who are novices to caucus process."

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Clinton Co-Chair Defects to Obama Campaign

Garry Thomas, a Clinton campaign co-chair in Iowa, is now supporting Sen. Barack Obama, the Washington Post reports.

Thomas "attributed his defection to the new tone Clinton took last weekend, describing it as divisive."
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 06:32:21 PM »
The republicans are dead because of the Iraq issue.
Not as much as you would think. America is growing less and less angry about Iraq as the days go on. Health Care, The Economy, and Immigration are bigger issues right now.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 07:05:09 PM »
:drudge  BREAKING NEWS :drudge

Sitting here watching CNN, they just showed a newsweek poll where Huckabee had a SEVENTEEN POINT LEAD on Romney in Iowa. 

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 07:06:00 PM »
17? omg.  SERIOUSLY?

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 07:07:36 PM »
17? omg.  SERIOUSLY?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 07:08:29 PM »
Holy shit, 17%? Right after his mormon speech too  :lol

Clinton has a "divisive" tone? Oh man, I didn't know that! Her leads are shrinking everywhere. I would love to be a fly on the wall when she realized Iowa isn't hers
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 07:10:28 PM »
I need to see this Iowa Poll. You sure you didnt miss hear 7%? 17% is holy shit high.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 07:11:19 PM »
:drudge BREAKING NEWS :drudge

I can't pay attention to CNN while playing with my dog and typing, apparently.

Hucks has a 39 to 17 lead over Romney in Iowa.  Holy shitburgers.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 07:14:52 PM »
I gotta see some new NH numbers soon to see if Huckabee's rise has spilled over there. :(
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 07:15:53 PM »
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The ordained Southern Baptist minister now leads Romney by a two-to-one margin, 39 percent to 17 percent, among likely GOP caucus-goers. In the last NEWSWEEK survey, conducted Sept. 26-27, Huckabee polled a mere 6 percent to Romney's 25 percent, which then led the field.

Huckabee has also opened up a wide margin over the next three leading candidates, who all show signs of fading in Iowa: Rudy Giuliani, who dropped from 15 percent in the last survey to 9 percent in the current one; Fred Thompson, who fell from 16 percent to 10 percent; and John McCain, who slipped from 7 percent to 6 percent. "You rarely see anything like [Huckabee's surge]," says Larry Hugick, who directed the polling for Princeton Survey Research Associates. Hugick added that the reason has as much to do with a leeriness of the other candidates among Republican voters as Huckabee's folksy success on the stump. "He's filling a vacuum," Hugick said. "Nobody on the Republican side was getting strong support."

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2007, 07:46:15 PM »
President Huckabee...hmm, not sure I like the sound of that.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2007, 07:47:46 PM »
Dear God, I hope rudy and Romney pull out the big guns on Huckabee soon.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2007, 08:17:29 PM »
Dear God, I hope rudy and Romney pull out the big guns on Huckabee soon.
The Mormon speech was his big gun.  :-\
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 08:29:38 PM »
Dear God, I hope rudy and Romney pull out the big guns on Huckabee soon.
The Mormon speech was his big gun.  :-\

Backfire total  :lol

Even if his speech isn't the reason for the sharp decline (most likely it isn't) I'm sure the media will run with this story, making it even bigger. Romney should have made the speech a long time ago
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2007, 08:43:51 PM »
He never wanted to give it at all
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 02:50:23 AM »
Schlepped over from the corpse of the other thread...

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Here's my problem with your argument, which is far too technical, and slightly obtuse: if a politician is going to put heavy emphasis on an issue that he or she declares "moral", it would definitely help if they actually believe it themselves. I'm sorry, but I would like to trust my politicians on certain subjects. In Gore's case, he has deemed global warming a moral issue. He has received many awards for his great work on climate change. Yet, he certainly doesn't "live" what he preaches. Neither do the other presidential candidates, who fly in on a private jet or own a couple SUVs, or whatever.

While I certainly wouldn't dismiss Gore's arguments because of his hypocrisy, it is still a character issue to me, and I'm more likely to tune him out. Most Americans would like to have politicians who honestly believe what they're saying. Sadly our political climate is built by politicians who tell the people everything they want to hear, even when it contradicts. Think Hillary.

The most important thing about a politician, by far, is whether they will implement policies you think are good.  So personal hypocrisy raises two questions: "Does this mean the policy isn't good?" and "Does this mean they will implement different policies than they say they will?"

The answer in both cases (remember, we're talking about private life instances of hypocrisy, not political reversals) is pretty obviously NO.  So, unless you come by your opinions by parroting whoever seems to live the most moral life, why would you give a flip?

The Gore case in particular is pretty stupid.  Besides the fact that he easily does more than the average American on the issue (his son was caught with drugs in a hybrid, remember), he's warning of a tragedy of the commons, which requires collective action to solve.  To my knowledge, he's never said individual actions could solve the problem, nor has he condemned SUV drivers et al as immoral people.

I'm sure he uses multiple times the carbon of an average citizen, since he's a rich dude who travels a ton and has at least one big house.  But none of his proposals would exempt him or his family from the socially shared costs, and the positive effect he'd have by living a granola life is almost nonexistent to the structural changes that would require government involvement (which, in a democracy, requires public engagement).

It's unrealistic to expect advocates for reform to deal not with the world as it exists, but to act as if their programs were already in effect.  That goes for public campaign finance advocates who take private donations, conservatarians who suck at the statist teat, etc.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2007, 06:15:30 AM »
If i could, i'd vote for bush all over again.
only fault he made was he didnt steal iraq's oil fast enough
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2007, 09:12:17 AM »
New poll has Edwards stealing away (back?) some Obama's support...:
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Sen. Hillary Clinton leads with 27%, followed by Edwards with 24% and Sen. Barack Obama at 22%.
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2007, 09:57:21 AM »
Questioning whether or not politician-x is a hypocrite is useful when judging exactly how much of their agenda that person can actually pass, considering the cooperation of others, especially those who need to be convinced into support for something that may not be a strict black-and-white issue for them; not to mention the various, you do this for me and I'll do that for you back-office arrangements that are commonplace in politics (and violations are a different beast than public-policy reversal).  Leadership isn't a checkbox.  The idea that the personality of a candidate, and in particular how convincing that person can be, is secondary to their robotic technocracy, is absurd when you consider how much of real-world politicking is in the realm of the personal.  Save the robotics for the policy advisors.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2007, 11:00:44 AM »
If i could, i'd vote for bush all over again.
only fault he made was he didnt steal iraq's oil fast enough

You weren't old enough to vote, and it wouldn't matter because you live in California.  Now go back to whatever it is emotionally confused teenagers do these days.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2007, 11:01:11 AM »
He probably said it just to be "witty"
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2007, 11:47:13 AM »
Did you know oil actually comes from the sweet sweet blood of Iraqi children mixed with the tears of their grieving family?  It's a fact!
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2007, 03:06:44 PM »
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Rudy explains he is the most fiscal conservative.  :lol

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2007, 03:15:51 PM »
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Rudy explains he is the most fiscal conservative.  :lol
to be fair he was more fisicially conservative as mayor than Huckabee and Romney were as governors.
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2007, 03:17:58 PM »

to be fair he was more fisicially conservative as mayor than Huckabee and Romney were as governors.

That doesn't mean anything though. He isn't the most fiscal conservative in the race.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2007, 03:24:13 PM »
Huckabee wanted to isolate AIDS patients
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- Mike Huckabee once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure and said homosexuality could "pose a dangerous public health risk."

As a candidate for a U.S. Senate seat in 1992, Huckabee answered 229 questions submitted to him by The Associated Press. Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies.

"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague," Huckabee wrote.

"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."

The AP submitted the questionnaire to both candidates; only Huckabee responded. Incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers won his four term; Huckabee was elected lieutenant governor the next year and became governor in 1996.

When asked about AIDS research in 1992, Huckabee complained that AIDS research received an unfair share of federal dollars when compared to cancer, diabetes and heart disease.

"In light of the extraordinary funds already being given for AIDS research, it does not seem that additional federal spending can be justified," Huckabee wrote. "An alternative would be to request that multimillionaire celebrities, such as Elizabeth Taylor (,) Madonna and others who are pushing for more AIDS funding be encouraged to give out of their own personal treasuries increased amounts for AIDS research."

Huckabee did not return messages left with his campaign.

When Huckabee wrote his answers in 1992, it was common knowledge that AIDS could not be spread by casual contact. In late 1991, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there were 195,718 AIDS patients in the country and that 126,159 people had died from the syndrome.

The nation had an increased awareness of AIDS at the time because pro basketball star Magic Johnson had recently disclosed he carried the virus responsible for it. Johnson retired but returned to the NBA briefly during the 1994-95 season.

Since becoming a presidential candidate this year, Huckabee has supported increased federal funding for AIDS research through the National Institutes of Health.

"My administration will be the first to have an overarching strategy for dealing with HIV and AIDS here in the United States, with a partnership between the public and private sectors that will provide necessary financing and a realistic path toward our goals," Huckabee said in a statement posted on his campaign Web site last month.

Also in the wide-ranging AP questionnaire in 1992, Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

A Southern Baptist preacher, Huckabee has been a favorite among social conservatives for his vocal opposition to gay marriage. In 2003, Huckabee said that the U.S. Supreme Court was probably right to strike down anti-sodomy laws, but that states still should be able to restrict things such as gay marriage or domestic partner benefits.

"What people do in the privacy of their own lives as adults is their business," Huckabee said. "If they bring it into the public square and ask me as a taxpayer to support it or to endorse it, then it becomes a matter of public discussion and discourse."

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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2007, 03:26:46 PM »
Yea I read that aids thing. People get so worked up over Aids. "Oh, we have to send money to africa to stop aids. How are we going to cure aids." But Aids is one of the easiest diseases to prevent. Practice safe sex and dont fuck people you dont know or trust. I guess it's too hard to ask people to keep their pants on these days.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2007, 03:28:06 PM »
That is a bit different than wanting to isolate them from society.
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2007, 03:30:51 PM »
AIDS comes down to personal responsibility in so many ways, but sadly people won't recognize that. It's almost a dirty word

 
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2007, 03:32:10 PM »
That is a bit different than wanting to isolate them from society.

I'm not agreeing with Huckabee.

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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2007, 04:21:33 PM »
AIDS comes down to personal responsibility in so many ways, but sadly people won't recognize that. It's almost a dirty word

 
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2007, 05:08:03 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2007, 05:10:05 PM »
I just went to a local meeting to discuss primary plans and how to become a delegate. It was full of older folks that are pissed at the republican party. There is a general consensus that the party is falling apart.

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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2007, 05:13:46 PM »
there are 37 people interested in Guiliani?  do you read the bullshit you post?  can you read?

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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2007, 05:16:04 PM »
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Before this topic is ruined I'll put something relevant and real up to discuss:
Iowa: Mojo versus manpower
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DES MOINES – As the battle for Iowa enters the home stretch, the race appears to be breaking down along a simple fault line: Mike Huckabee’s momentum and passion versus Mitt Romney’s organization.

What one has the other lacks.

After a prolonged inspection of the candidates in the race and a period of waiting to see who else might run, many Hawkeye State Republicans seem to have narrowed the contest to a choice between two former governors.

All the mojo seems to be with Huckabee – a Newsweek poll released Friday shows him ahead of Romney by a staggering 39 percent to 17 percent margin.

But Iowa veterans warn that while Huckabee is all the rage, it’s almost impossible to win in Iowa without an organization – and Huckabee’s is skeletal. “A poll is a poll in Iowa,” observes Ed Failor Jr., a longtime Iowa Republican and anti-tax leader based in Muscatine who is currently undecided. “But it’s different than turning out voters on caucus night.”

Supporters of Huckabee say his appeal is deep and fundamental. The Southern Baptist minister hits conservative Iowans in the heart, and his views, as well as his modest background, are much like theirs.

“I think at this stage of the game, I can be a little more pure to my heart,” says Mark Lundberg, chairman of the Sioux County GOP. “At some point, I may have to become pragmatic, but Huckabee is a little closer to where I am as a Christian conservative.”

And it’s not just the Arkansan’s consistency on cultural issues such as abortion that is appealing, Lundberg said. It’s also his Christian spirit.

“I hate to use the words ‘compassionate conservative,’” Lundberg says with a chuckle, but “he has a lot of sympathy for people in need.”

Forty percent of those likely to show up on Jan. 3 to participate in the Iowa caucuses are self-identified evangelicals. Polls show Huckabee has established a solid lead among this constituency and that his backers are more committed than those of Romney.

The apparent move by Iowa’s evangelical base came after the community took a look at Fred Thompson and decided to take a pass, Republicans here say. If the bumper sticker for Democratic activists in Iowa in 2004 was “Dated Dean, Married Kerry,” it may be “Flirted with Fred, Fell for Huck” among social conservatives this time.

Beyond Huckabee and Romney, “all the others seem to be in the back of the pack,” observes Steve Scheffler, head of the Iowa Christian Alliance.

And even Scheffler, who has been skeptical of Huckabee’s viability, marvels at what he calls “an amazing political success story.”

His organic surge is “a testimony to the power of the evangelicals and pro-life Catholics in the Republican party,” Scheffler says.

But beyond Thompson’s failure to launch, Huckabee’s rise also speaks to the hunger in the party for a Romney alternative.

“People were looking for a conservative they felt comfortable with,” Lundberg adds.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2007, 05:19:06 PM »
there are 37 people interested in Guiliani?  do you read the bullshit you post?  can you read?

Those are meetup.com numbers. You need to read moron.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2007, 05:20:08 PM »
there are 37 people interested in Guiliani?  do you read the bullshit you post?  can you read?

Those are meetup.com numbers. You need to read moron.
Reply to the article I want your thoughts on it, plus Rally/campaign discussion of that candidate is not allowed.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2007, 05:21:23 PM »
Huckabee is surging early enough to have the other big guns bring him down. Huckabee has alot to explain though. Why has he raised taxes more than Clinton in Arkansas?

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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2007, 05:22:58 PM »
Huckabee is surging early enough to have the other big guns bring him down. Huckabee has alot to explain though. Why has he raised taxes more than Clinton in Arkansas?
That's his major problem in the fight with Romney.

Huckabee has the religious voters. Romney has the anti-tax business voters. Which has more control over the republican party? If recent national polls and iowa polls show, then it is the religious right.
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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2007, 05:23:56 PM »
I think you are going to be very surprised in February.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2007, 05:26:24 PM »
why the fuck would ron paul have meetups in 26 countries?  you don't think it's more likely the site was spammed by paulites?

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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2007, 05:27:44 PM »
why the fuck would ron paul have meetups in 26 countries?  you don't think it's more likely the site was spammed by paulites?

I dont know, but for some reason Iraq has a huge Meetupgroup. Must be all the americans over there that want to come home...

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« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2007, 05:30:13 PM »
Anyway lets talk about the dems now. Will Obama beat hillary in Iowa? I say the christmas break primary date ruins obama's hopes. Hillary will squeak by with the win unless Edwards pulls an upset.
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« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2007, 05:34:35 PM »
I think Obama will win.

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« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2007, 05:37:38 PM »
I dunno his support is amongst young voters and for primaries young voter turnout is HORRIBLE, its all old ladies and old men who decide primary elections really. They'll be too busy on christmas break to show up I am thinking. I am hopeful though. I would prefer Obama to face Rudy/Huckabee/Romney than Clinton.
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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2007, 05:39:59 PM »
I dunno his support is amongst young voters and for primaries young voter turnout is HORRIBLE, its all old ladies and old men who decide primary elections really. They'll be too busy on christmas break to show up I am thinking. I am hopeful though. I would prefer Obama to face Rudy/Huckabee/Romney than Clinton.

Maybe, I cant really comment on hillary because I cant, for the life of me figure out who the fuck supports her.

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« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2007, 06:03:40 PM »
she has a vagina.  she will probably win.  that is all I know about her.

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« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2007, 06:39:23 PM »
I dunno his support is amongst young voters and for primaries young voter turnout is HORRIBLE, its all old ladies and old men who decide primary elections really. They'll be too busy on christmas break to show up I am thinking. I am hopeful though. I would prefer Obama to face Rudy/Huckabee/Romney than Clinton.

Maybe, I cant really comment on hillary because I cant, for the life of me figure out who the fuck supports her.
The majority of democrats nationally. And in general election matchups, the majority of the nation as a whole by a slim margin.
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« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2007, 07:26:35 PM »
No Freedom Without Religion LOL
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« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2007, 07:36:44 PM »
to vote in the primaries?  you have to finish registering a few weeks before the election you want to vote in I think.  the primaries dates vary state by state of course.

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« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2007, 07:42:51 PM »
Is it too late to register to vote? How do I do so?

What state do you live in?

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« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2007, 08:07:14 PM »
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ATLANTA (AP) - Civil rights icon Andrew Young says Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is too young and lacks the support network to ascend to the White House.

In a media interview posted online, Young also quipped that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has her husband behind her, and that "Bill is every bit as black as Barack."

"He's probably gone with more black women than Barack," Young said of former President Clinton, drawing laughter from a live television audience. Young, 75, was quick to follow his comment on Bill Clinton with the disclaimer, "I'm clowning."

Young, a former United Nations ambassador and lieutenant of Martin Luther King, Jr., made the comments at an appearance at "Newsmakers Live," an urban media forum that interviews prominent Atlanta personalities and political figures.

Excerpts of the interview were posted on Newsmakers Journal, the Newsmakers' Web site, though the date of the appearance was not included with the video posting. Young was scheduled to appear on "Newsmakers Live" on Sept. 5, according to a press release.

Repeated efforts by The Associated Press to reach Young were unsuccessful.

Young's comments were prompted by a member of the audience who inquired about his opinion on Obama's candidacy.

"I want Barack Obama to be president," Young said, pausing for effect, "in 2016."

"It's not a matter of being inexperienced. It's a matter of being young," Young said. "There's a certain level of maturity ... you've got to learn to take a certain amount of (expletive)."

Young went on to say that Obama needs a protective network that he currently lacks - a quality that could hurt him if he were to be elected. He said Hillary Clinton already has that kind of network, including her husband to back her up.

"There are more black people that Bill and Hillary lean on," Young said. "You cannot be president alone. ... To put a brother in there by himself is to set him up for crucifixion. His time will come and the world will be ready for a visionary leadership."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071208/D8TDI1B00.html
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FlameOfCallandor

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2007, 08:08:49 PM »
"In a media interview posted online, Young also quipped that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has her husband behind her, and that "Bill is every bit as black as Barack."
 ??? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Please tell me black voters don't vote on who is the most "black"






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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2007, 08:48:34 PM »

Oregon

You have a closed primary on the 10th of May. Register by the 29th of april.

FlameOfCallandor

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2007, 09:19:28 PM »
Look how awesome the Dems are doing on one of the most important issues.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071208/pl_nm/iraq_usa_funding_dc
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Democratic leaders are contemplating legislation that would give President George W. Bush $70 billion in new funds for war but without any timetables for withdrawing troops from Iraq, The Washington Post reported on Saturd