Official 2008 Election thread

[FlameOfCallandor]

Interesting entrence polls for Iowa.

Feelings About Bush Administration
Enthusiastic (20%)
Satisfied (48%)
Dissatisfied (26%)
Angry (5%)
This gives you an idea about what the republican political landscape of iowa looks like.

[Gay Boy]

Interesting entrence polls for Iowa.

Feelings About Bush Administration
Enthusiastic (20%)
Satisfied (48%)
Dissatisfied (26%)
Angry (5%)
This gives you an idea about what the republican political landscape of iowa looks like.

Republicans like Bush, duh.

bush's approval by republicans nationally is in the high 80's.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Lets talk about the Dems. What are the chances that Obama will NOT get the nomination? Can Hillary make a come back? Will John Edwards get an $800 hair cut to bounce back?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Also, did Richardson drop out?

[Gay Boy]

Lets talk about the Dems. What are the chances that Obama will NOT get the nomination? Can Hillary make a come back? Will John Edwards get an $800 hair cut to bounce back?

Edwards put it ALL in Iowa, he is dead. He'll drop out after Feb 5th. Obama needs to win NH. Hillary has a 10%+ lead now. It's all about if he gets enough momentum from Iowa but Huckabee sucked up a lot of media attention so its up in the air if he can pull it off.

If he wins NH, he'll win SC and sweep. If hillary wins NH then it will be a bitter fight with him and her in SC.

[FlameOfCallandor]

So edwards had to get first? I thought the real loser was third.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Oh, and Hillary's speech last night was terrible.

[Gay Boy]

So edwards had to get first? I thought the real loser was third.

Edwards needed 1st in Iowa. Second place won't get him momentum.

He had a shocking second place (in a good way) in Iowa in 2004 and it didnt help him at all in NH.

[Bloodwake]

Holy shit, just checked the caucas democratic results. HILLARY PLACED THIRD? WHAT THE FUCK

Wow, and Obama won the fucking state. Hell yes.

[Mandark]

Hey, have we done any wild speculation about possible VP picks in this thread?

We should do that.

[TakingBackSunday]

I think the only people who've dropped out so far were Dodd and Biden.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Richardson should be his VP. Or if he wants to self destruct he could choose Hillary.

[Van Cruncheon]

I guess you're right. I think I under estimated the douchbag evangelicals. They have hijacked the republican party and turned it into a jesus freak show. They no longer care about lower taxes and smaller government. I hope the cunts in Iowa have fun with Huckabee. I can't even imagine him being our president. God help us if he wins.

look! he's growing up!

[Van Cruncheon]

john edwards :'(

who will tax the fuck out of the rich now? :'(

[Gay Boy]

I'd say Obama would be wise to pick someone like Biden. Edwards he wont do, Edwards political career is over by Feb 5th.

Huckabee? You know I dont have a clue who he'd pick. McCain would pick Huckabee I bet though.

[Van Cruncheon]

i am clinging to the vague hope of an edwards nh upset. he will pick obama as his vp!

huckabee will pick pat robertson as his running mate, and then upon a diebold-supported electoral sweep, will appoint pat as the AMERIPOPE responsible for the institutionalization of the homosexual re-education centers along the left and east coasts.

[Mandark]

You are standing in an open field west of the White House, with a boarded front door.  There is a small lame duck there.

You have in your inventory a map, some matches, a camera, a tape recorder, and the GOP nomination for president.

Do you pick a(n):

(N)egro, to undercut the "historic first" narrative of Obama (JC Watts is marked on the map)?
(E)ntertainer such as Bruce Willis and capture the Arnold/Reagan magic?
(S)outherner like Mike Huckabee, to shore up your support among suspicious Evangelicals?
(W)oman to close the gender gap and balance your rough image?

[Gay Boy]

i am clinging to the vague hope of an edwards nh upset. he will pick obama as his vp!

How? He is in a distant third  there and getting a disappointing second place in Iowa will likely make him drop more.

[Van Cruncheon]

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Alan Keyes appears in a puff of manufactured confusion and barely-comprehensible faux-academic gibberish. His cheap suit is freshly-pressed, and a For Sale sign dangles from his left ear. In the distance, the ghost of Kunta Kinte is heard sobbing.

[Van Cruncheon]

i am clinging to the vague hope of an edwards nh upset. he will pick obama as his vp!

How? He is in a distant third  there and getting a disappointing second place in Iowa will likely make him drop more.

can you not read the words "vague" and "hope," dipshit? GOD MICHIGAN TEENAGERS THE FUCK DSKLHJSDKLAJFAKLASDF

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Edwards will do well at the beginning but peter out here in the next month.  Nobody will want him as a VP either.  His best bet is for a cabinet position or an ambassador position.

Biden fucking sucks because his lips are firmly wrapped around the credit card industry's cock.  We don't need some corrupt asshole fucking people over in favor of corporations so overtly.  We don't need another Dick Cheney and that is what Biden would be.  Maybe he might be secretary of state or some shit like that.

Hillary will take the VP position.  She probably hates the idea, being second to someone else but it is her best bet.  Although it would be probably be a Reagan/Bush scenario where the two try to pull power plays over the other.  Obama would have to deal with her intrusions frequently and he might not want to deal with that.

I'm betting that the VP will be a governor position.  Mark Warner would be perfect.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I love Zork!

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, joe biden's a fucking waste of flesh, although i did appreciate his theatrics during the plame investigations and the 9/11 report. he was one of the few k-street democrats, and i would love to see his corporate shill ass run out of politics altogether.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

my mom told me a story this morning about Huckabee so astounding I didn't believe it, but here it is in the NY Times in black and white:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0DB173BF932A15750C0A961958260

basically, Huckabee delayed relief aid to a tornado-destroyed town (where my grandfather grew up!) for THREE WEEKS because the legislation referred to the tornado as an "act of God," and Huckabee thought God was awesome and would never send a mean ol' tornado that killed people.

THREE WEEKS.

his reign would be a terrible theocracy and don't you forget it

[Van Cruncheon]

imagine him vetoing relief for katrina part deux because congress dared mention "acts of god"

[FlameOfCallandor]

Cause we all know how effective FEMA is anyway. AMIRITE GUYS!

[TakingBackSunday]

yeah, wow that news story

wow

Obama or Edwards, either one is fine

[Mandark]

Crazy as Huckabee is, I think it would be harder to push a socially reactionary policy from the White House than it would be to push a crazy hawkish one or a crony-capitalist one.

The courts and Congress (I know, I know) tend to limit what you can do in the God department, but corporate giveaways are always go.  For practical reasons, I'd be more scared of President Norquist than President Huckabee.

[Van Cruncheon]

Cause we all know how effective FEMA is anyway. AMIRITE GUYS!

you meana FEMA stocked with political cronies rather than qualified personnel

[APF]

"Act of God" is an anachronistic phrase in the first place.  The problem with FEMA went far beyond "cronyism" as well.

[FlameOfCallandor]

you meana FEMA stocked with political cronies rather than qualified personnel

thats what happens when you give the federal government that kind of power.

[FlameOfCallandor]

McCain just said that 100 years in Iraq is ok with him.

[Phoenix Dark]

Edwards career may be dead, thank the lord; he should have never left the senate. I don't see how he can go on now. I mean, Obama has essentially taken his hope/populist message, and Hillary is going to be around next election. Where's does Edwards fit? In a few years his pretty boy looks will fade even more.

[Van Cruncheon]

as opposed to stocking local governments with cronies?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Edwards career may be dead, thank the lord; he should have never left the senate. I don't see how he can go on now. I mean, Obama has essentially taken his hope/populist message, and Hillary is going to be around next election. Where's does Edwards fit? In a few years his pretty boy looks will fade even more.

I wouldnt be so sure.

[Gay Boy]

I think PD means in the senate.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?

[Phoenix Dark]

Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?

I see the passion

Cheebs: you don't think Hillary will run again if she loses this year? With a dem in the White House she'd get a crap ton of coverage as a leading senator.

[Human Snorenado]

You are standing in an open field west of the White House, with a boarded front door.  There is a small lame duck there.

You have in your inventory a map, some matches, a camera, a tape recorder, and the GOP nomination for president.

Do you pick a(n):

(N)egro, to undercut the "historic first" narrative of Obama (JC Watts is marked on the map)?
(E)ntertainer such as Bruce Willis and capture the Arnold/Reagan magic?
(S)outherner like Mike Huckabee, to shore up your support among suspicious Evangelicals?
(W)oman to close the gender gap and balance your rough image?

Huckabee will pick CHUCK NORRIS as his veep.  Yup.

[Gay Boy]

Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?

I see the passion

Cheebs: you don't think Hillary will run again if she loses this year? With a dem in the White House she'd get a crap ton of coverage as a leading senator.

if a dem is in the white house she CANT run in 2012. Even Carter got re-nominated. wtf are you talking about

[Mandark]

The CW has been that if Hillary won, she wouldn't take Obama or Edwards.  I think that's changed.

If Obama wins, you can have a fabulous parlour game of balancing the ticket by race/age/region.

McCain I think would take Huckabee as sop to the evangelicals, unless he's committed to someone like Tim Pawlenty or something.  Ditto Giuliani, I think.  Romney would want to balance the ticket, but there's been some blood spilt.

If Huckabee takes the nomination, who knows.  He's been endorsed by Chuck Norris, Ric Flair, and Ted Nugent.  That's the beginnings of one hell of a cabinet.

[Human Snorenado]

Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?

You have to understand something about Pee Dee... he's been living in the closet.  He's a homeschooled, creationism believin', nintendo lovin' white person stuck in a black guy's body.  That's to say, Pee Dee is that rarest of things, A BLACK REPUBLICAN.  The sooner he comes out and tells everyone he knows about his lifestyle choice the sooner he will feel comfortable with himself.  Do it for yourself, Pee Dee.

So, of course he loves Huckabee.

[Human Snorenado]

The CW has been that if Hillary won, she wouldn't take Obama or Edwards.  I think that's changed.

If Obama wins, you can have a fabulous parlour game of balancing the ticket by race/age/region.

McCain I think would take Huckabee as sop to the evangelicals, unless he's committed to someone like Tim Pawlenty or something.  Ditto Giuliani, I think.  Romney would want to balance the ticket, but there's been some blood spilt.

If Huckabee takes the nomination, who knows.  He's been endorsed by Chuck Norris, Ric Flair, and Ted Nugent.  That's the beginnings of one hell of a cabinet.

Vice President Norris, Press Secretary Naitch, and Secretary of Offense Nugent.  HOLY SHIT. 

[Mandark]

"Helen Thomas, YOU'RE going to ride SPACE MOUNTAIN!  WHOOOOOOOO!"

*Removes shirt, struts, chops David Gregory in the chest, drops a rolling knee on nothing*

[FlameOfCallandor]

I went to some Obama meet up at a bar yesterday to watch the caucs results. Alot of old people there. One of the old ladies said I looked familiar and then asked if I had been to any NAACP meetings.  I then told her that no I hadnt. Later She asked who I supported and I told her Ron Paul and she was like "Oh, I work for the state so I cant support him." 

[Phoenix Dark]

No way Hillary takes Obama as a VP. Mark Penn might think it's a good idea from a strategic point but Hillary isn't thinking about it. Her campaign is quite historical due to her being a woman; Hillary wouldn't give the VP to someone with an even more historic story, who could easily outshine her at any event. Nope. She's going to reward her supporters. Byah, Vilsack, Richardson, etc. It'll be one of them

[brawndolicious]

Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?

I see the passion

I thought you already saw that movie. AH HYUCK AH HYUCK

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[Mandark]

The more Obama wins and the higher his profile is, the harder it becomes to exclude him from the ticket.  Taking some random DLC honkey was easier back when Hillary was going to blow past the competition.

I don't get the whole "pick a dullard who won't outshine you" theory of VP picks.  What exactly is going to happen?  Obama would get so popular that Wolf Blitzer would dump Hillary and ask him to the dance instead?  The Senate would decide to let him sign the bills?

[Phoenix Dark]

The more Obama wins and the higher his profile is, the harder it becomes to exclude him from the ticket.  Taking some random DLC honkey was easier back when Hillary was going to blow past the competition.

I don't get the whole "pick a dullard who won't outshine you" theory of VP picks.  What exactly is going to happen?  Obama would get so popular that Wolf Blitzer would dump Hillary and ask him to the dance instead?  The Senate would decide to let him sign the bills?

It has more to do with ego and loyalty than that

[APF]

Importance of VP choice is overrated.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Is this true?

Ronald Reagan didn't win Iowa.

An evangelical preacher by the name of Pat Robertson won Iowa back in the day. Did he win his party's nomination? Nope. Bill Clinton only received 4% in the 1992 Iowa caucus. Paul got 10%

[Mandark]

Robertson finished second, not first.  Reagan lost by a little to Bush, but then crushed Bush in New Hampshire.

Clinton had such a low total because Tom Harkin was running.  He was from Iowa, so everyone basically conceded the state to him.

Absolutely none of these factoids should give a Ron Paul supporter any hope.

[Gay Boy]

Is this true?

Ronald Reagan didn't win Iowa.

An evangelical preacher by the name of Pat Robertson won Iowa back in the day. Did he win his party's nomination? Nope. Bill Clinton only received 4% in the 1992 Iowa caucus. Paul got 10%

Bill didnt run in Iowa. No one did but tom harkin.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I know this wont happen, but lets say that Ron Paul does win NH in first place. That would probably get him back on track.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Uh-Oh

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080104/NATION/735680975/1002

Fox news has some 'splainin to do.

[Gay Boy]

you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh

[FlameOfCallandor]

you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh

Chill dude, lets talk about politics.

[Gay Boy]

you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh

Chill dude, lets talk about politics.

then stop talking about ron paul. saying "say if ron paul wins NH...." is not discussing politics.

[FlameOfCallandor]

you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh

Chill dude, lets talk about politics.

then stop talking about ron paul. saying "say if ron paul wins NH...." is not discussing politics.

Yes it is, and if you had either ignored it or talked about it you wouldn't be contributing to this pissing contest of "OMG FoC mentioned  RP.