Official 2008 Election thread

[Gay Boy]

you have your own Paul thread and you admitted paul will likely lose.


AND you promised to leave if paul didnt get over 10% yet you are here SPAMMING paul nonsense in the non-paul thread.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I havent spammed anything. Do you even know what spamming is?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Cheebs you're the biggest cunt on the internet. The most sloppiest whiny cunt ever.

[Gay Boy]

stating OMG GUESS WHAT PAUL DID BETTER THAN IOWA THEN BILL is nonsense. And then asking us to consider the posibility of paul winning NH is pure nonsense.

Plus it is all in the non-paul thread. AFTER you promised to leave EB forever. And at least I didn't back out of my bet like you.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I havent spammed anything. Do you even know what spamming is?

stating OMG GUESS WHAT PAUL DID BETTER THAN IOWA THEN BILL is nonsense. And then asking us to consider the posibility of paul winning NH is pure nonsense.

I never said that. I asked if it was true. Someone sent it to me on facebook.

[Gay Boy]

I havent spammed anything. Do you even know what spamming is?

stating OMG GUESS WHAT PAUL DID BETTER THAN IOWA THEN BILL is nonsense. And then asking us to consider the posibility of paul winning NH is pure nonsense.

I never said that. I asked if it was true. Someone sent it to me on facebook.

why did you ask it in the

NON PAUL THREAD? You have your own thread for this nonsense. And why havent you left yet? you PROMISED to leave!

[Mandark]

When there's one dingus and everyone's poking him with a stick, it's kind of funny.

When there are two dueling dinguses, it's more annoying.

That's just my take.

[FlameOfCallandor]

why did you ask it in the

I asked it because I wanted to know if it was true.

[Human Snorenado]

When there's one dingus and everyone's poking him with a stick, it's kind of funny.

When there are two dueling dinguses, it's more annoying.

That's just my take.

[APF]

What happens when it's a dingus and his dong-holder?

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, this cheebs/foc slappy fight is ruining our usual foc harangue session. cheebs, go gibber about your stupid "bet" elsewhere.

[Ichirou]

My ranking of dueling dinguses:

1. FlameofCallandor 6.4/10
2. Jake "Gay Boy" Yenor 0.6/10

[Van Cruncheon]

eh, i think your hatred of jake "moonbat" yenor has biased your scores. i'd give foc the nod over him because he's far more entertaining to abuse, but at least yenor hasn't argued for the abolition of federally-supervised education or for the inherent magickal powers of element au.

1. FlameOfCallandor: B-
2. Gay Boy: C-

[Ichirou]

The gold standard is the gift that keeps on giving.

[Phoenix Dark]

ruh ruh

Bill Clinton voiced his abiding anger at the media's coverage of him and his wife in Durham, N.H., today, and suggested that media bias will force Clinton to go negative on Barack Obama.

He also expressed his frustration that his wife is perceived by voters as divisive through, he said, no fault of her own.

Clinton, like his wife, is traveling New Hampshire taking questions from voters, and he spoke at the University of New Hampshire in Durham in response to a plea from a woman who said she'd like it "if you and Clinton joined Barack Obama in putting the Republicans on notice" that it was time to "change the game" and end the "meanness" and "manipulation" in politics.

Clinton replied that he liked the idea — in theory.

"I think we can change it as long as you have access to information by people who are committed to judging everybody by the same set of rules and following the same set of rules," he said. "According to the most recent media analysis, that’s not what’s happened so far, but yeah, I think it should be done."

Clinton also let his audience glimpse the scars of his White House years.

"Nobody would like it better than us if you could get that personal vilification out of there, because nobody’s been vilified more than we have," he said, after noting that he thought Hillary and McCain could run a respectful campaign. "One of the problems with laying down and turning the other cheek is McCain had one dose of it. They gave it to us for eight years.

"And the fact of the matter is, independent voters think you’re polarizing if someone else attacks you, even if that someone is Rush Limbaugh, even if you’ve been totally exonerated of every single charge ever leveled against you, which Hillary was — and some people forgot to tell you about that," he said, jabbing again at the press.

"Nobody would be happier to see all this go away than us. But you can’t ask somebody who is at a breathtaking disadvantage in the information coming to the voters to ignore that disadvantage and basically agree to put bullets in their brains," he said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Bills_reason_to_go_negative_media_bias.html


Boo hoo hoo. Clinton got so much glowing coverage for what, 3 months if not longer? She didn't face any real criticism until that debate gaff, and she seemed to recover from that a couple weeks before the caucus.

She's gonna pull out the Obama punches like clockwork on saturday. And I'd imagine voters will be turned off by it

[FlameOfCallandor]

The federal government doesn't need to fund education...

Anyway, Ron Paul's message of a small government especially the executive branch is what I like. He also is staunchly against the war and the patriot act.


I think it's funny that more people here support huckabee than Ron Paul.


Huckabee. The guy that wants to make America a Jesus theme park.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Oh, I also heard 2 democrats on C-span calling to tell them that they will vote republican for...       Huckabee.    :'(

[FlameOfCallandor]

Top 10 Reasons Why Huckabee is a Nutjob

10. Almost all candidates get celebrity endorsements. But only Huckabee went so far as to put a B-list has been in his commercials. What's next? Jean Claude Van Damme for Dennis Kucinich? Steven Segal wants you to vote for Ron Paul or else?

9. Huckabee believes that all aborted zygotes would now be $1 an hour fruit pickers if they hadn't been aborted. Oh, and if we didn't have abortion, there wouldn't be Mexicans crossing the border. Yeah, because those two issues are so related.

"Sometimes we talk about why we're importing so many people in our workforce," the former Arkansas governor said. "It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973."

8. Huckabee pretended to get a cellphone call from God while on stage in the middle of a speech and talked with God about how he can help the Republicans win the election. We thank God for C-SPAN and YouTube.

7. Huckabee believes that Ellen and Portia sleeping together is the same as some nasty toothless guy in a cemetery digging up a skeleton and fucking it.

In his 1998 book, compared homosexuality to necrophilia, decrying “publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations–from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia.”

6. Huckabee said, "I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives. … I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ."

How about you reduce the deficit, get us out of Iraq, turn around the economy, save the dollar, reduce our trade deficit, find a solution for health care, and oh... I don't know... run the country? I think that would be a better focus for a U.S. President that saving all our souls and making everyone go to church on Sunday.

5. Huckabee said that, "Science changes with every generation and with new discoveries, and God doesn't. So I'll stick with God if the two are in conflict."

In other words, science makes discoveries that disprove the Bible, so I'm going to stick my head up my ass and pretend science doesn't exist. Probably why the Arkansas school system got an F for science standards when Huckabee was governor.

4. Huckabee wanted to quarantine people with AIDS.

He said, "If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague."

3. Huckabee was 1 of 131 fellow nutjobs to sign to a full-page USA Today Ad affirming this statement on family. "A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

2. Huckabee said he would be against gay marriage "until Moses comes down with two stone tablets from Brokeback Mountain saying he's changed the rules."

Yes, the Bible says homosexuality is an abomination. The Bible also says that eating shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, and mussels is as abomination. Equal to that of homosexuality. Moses hasn't come down to repeal that one, but I don't think that keeps the Huckabees away from Long John Silver's and Red Lobster. Hypocrite alert!

1. There's a good chance he's one of those guys that wants the end times to come so he can have naked beers with Jesus (and all the other people who are saved and float up to heaven leaving their clothes behind while we battle armies of frogs or whatever the fuck). Now, if there's someone who wants the end times to come, do you really want them in charge of the button and bringing on WWIII?

Huckabee said, "If you're with Jesus Christ, we know how it turns out in the final moment. I've read the last chapter in the book, and we do end up winning."

[Howard Alan Treesong]

other than Phoenix "Homeschooled" Dark I'm not exactly seeing an outpouring of Huckabee support
feel free to not spam us with reasons to fear and hate him, I think we're all on that page together

[FlameOfCallandor]

other than Phoenix "Homeschooled" Dark I'm not exactly seeing an outpouring of Huckabee support
feel free to not spam us with reasons to fear and hate him, I think we're all on that page together

Someone else listed him above Paul over here. Although Im sure all of you would rather see him win than Ron Paul just to prove me wrong. 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'll take gold-standard crazy over Jesus crazy, sir!

[FlameOfCallandor]

Even if Ron Paul was elected we wouldnt go to the gold standard.

[Phoenix Dark]

Rove's thoughts on the election - pretty damn interesting

I just had a great conversation with Karl Rove about Iowa and the elections. He says a lot of interesting things. Two big bullet points up front, though, were that he says, "My gut tells me its still Hillary," as far as the Democratic nominee and across the board "Don't make a determination about the nominee based on Iowa." He referenced Bob Dole's effort in 1988 to drive the point home.

I spent most of my time talking about the Democrats with him. I asked him about Hillary now being vulnerable and the inevitability quotient. He agreed that she's going to need something new besides inevitability. Rove also said he thought Hillary gave a good, positive speech last night, but the set up was bad. She had Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, and Wes Clark on stage -- not exactly a message of change, he pointed out.

We turned to New Hampshire and I asked him about independent voters. A lot of people are now speculating that McCain might be hurt because of independent voters going to the Democratic primary to support Obama. "I'd be scared if I were Hillary and concerned if I were McCain," he said. But he also said people don't need to equate what independents do in the primary with what they do in the general election -- particularly independents in New Hampshire, who really want to be a part of the primary process.

Read on . . .

On the Republican side, we talked about the core issue for Republican voters. It was not quite what I was expecting. To Karl Rove, the issue that will determine who gets the Republican nominee is "fidelity to core principles," or who is the most faithful conservative. He said it will make things a lot easier for the Democrats who have a "binary decision" to make — do they want Hillary or not. On the Republican side, our voters are going through a laundry list of issues to see who is the most consistently conservative guy on a host of issues.

Iraq, according to Rove, will continue to be an issue, though Democrats are probably going to want to talk about it less and less. Nonetheless, Iraq goes straight to security issues and regardless of who the Democratic nominee is and who the Republican nominee is, we're going to have a Republican who supports the PATRIOT Act and the terrorist surveillance program and a Democrat opposed to both. He admitted this means he thinks Ron Paul won't be the nominee. At the end of the day, Rove thinks Americans are still going to go for the nominee they think will keep them safe.

I did ask him about two other issues. First, I asked him what he's up to now that he is out of the White House. He's writing a lot — a book, a column for Newsweek, etc. He's also giving speeches and doing some "political stuff under the radar."

Second, I asked him about the immigration issue and the Republican party. He was very forceful on the issue. He said the GOP must be "very careful about mishandling the issue." It's not enough, according to Karl Rove, for the GOP to be about national security on the issue. Just building the wall won't work and throwing everyone out the country isn't going to happen, he points out rightly. Rove said we know that a "vast number of Americans are in favor of denying drivers licenses for illegal aliens," but they also understand that there are other facets to the issue.

He said the GOP needs to do two things: (1) the party must be practical on the issue and (2) the party must get the facts right. He pointed out that the Bush administration has rounded up and returned 1.3 million illegal aliens arrested at the border. The administration also ended the decades old "catch and release" policy back in July of 2006. Likewise, the administration reduced the time it takes to deport someone from 93 days down to 19 days with a goal of 15 days.

Unless we get our facts right, we're not going to have credibility on this issue.

Rove is definitely engaged and paying attention to the race from the sidelines. He's also an optimist on the GOP's chances. Frankly, its reassuring to me that a guy like Rove is not out of the game, but working under the radar. Liberals should still be worried.

http://redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/karl_rove_talks_to_redstate_about_last_night
Red State lol

Rove's points on Hillary are dead on

[FlameOfCallandor]

WHy is Rove so fascinated with Hillary? He's always giving her tips.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/all/

Check out their fact meter to see how true some of the candidates are.

[Gay Boy]

WHy is Rove so fascinated with Hillary? He's always giving her tips.

Rove is a campaign whore more than he is a partisan

[AdmiralViscen]

I was wondering how your post count was so high the other day, now I know.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I was wondering how your post count was so high the other day, now I know.

No you don't.

[brawndolicious]

I was wondering how your post count was so high the other day, now I know.

he only has about 6,500 posts according to his profile.  his profile shows that he has 144 pages of posts with 45 posts per page.  I remember the mods added around 70,000 right after he came here.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA

Woohoo Ron Paul got two delegates! 

[Gay Boy]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA

Woohoo Ron Paul got two delegates! 

Biden got 22 more than that.

[FlameOfCallandor]

CNN said Biden got 8. But comparing the dems amount of delegates to the republicans isnt even worth it. The dems had a larger turnout so of course they will have more delegates.

[Gay Boy]

CNN said Biden got 8. But comparing the dems amount of delegates to the republicans isnt even worth it. The dems had a larger turnout so of course they will have more delegates.

Delegates aren't determined by turnout. Each precinct has the same amount of delegates if 2 people show up or 200. And yeah I got 23 from reading state delegates, not the main ones.

[FlameOfCallandor]

CNN said Biden got 8. But comparing the dems amount of delegates to the republicans isnt even worth it. The dems had a larger turnout so of course they will have more delegates.

Delegates aren't determined by turnout. Each precinct has the same amount of delegates if 2 people show up or 200.

Are you sure? In Texas it's not like that.

[AdmiralViscen]

Ah, I see. You still double and triple post constantly.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I cant fucking EDITT!! I would If I could.

[brawndolicious]

that's one of the things they do to townie lepers.  can't edit posts.  can't post topics.  and can't even send PM's.

I don't personally like that.  I think that just makes FoC sound even weirder.

[AdmiralViscen]

Oh, I see then.

lol

[Gay Boy]

From New York Times:

Oh-ba-ma Fires It Up

By Katharine Q. Seelye

MILFORD, N.H. — Spontaneous combustion! We’re here at the New Hampshire Democratic Party’s big dinner and out of the masses of 3,000 people, who have been listening politely to Dennis Kucinich, Hillary Clinton and Bill Richardson, comes a huge surge of people toward the stage for the next speaker — Barack Obama.

An announcer tries to get them back to their seats. “For safety concerns, before we can proceed, please take your seats,” says a disembodied voice. A mild buzz kill. The crowd moans but doesn’t really disperse. Then Mr. Obama strides to the podium, the crowd remains packed around the stage and the room is electrified.

“O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma,” they roar.

If you had listened to Mrs. Clinton, you wouldn’t really know that a seismic political event had occurred last night in Iowa. She could have delivered this particular speech almost any time in the last few weeks, and only those (like reporters) who pay attention to word changes on the margins would have noticed the difference. The biggest applause for Mrs. Clinton seemed to be at the end, when her husband and daughter joined her on stage.

But Mr. Obama gets right to it. In four days, he says, “you can do what Iowa did last night.” He doesn’t just talk about “change,” he talks about New Hampshire’s ability to “fundamentally transform this country.” His speech is interrupted repeatedly by chants of “O-ba-ma!”

“Our time for change has come,” he declares. He talks about having brought more young people to the caucuses in Iowa. Women too. “Across America, a fire is burning,” he says, “and folks are ready to go.”

He derides the “politics of fear” and says voters are “fed up with spin and P.R., they want straight talk,” co-opting John McCain’s signature phrase in a big move to capture the independents in the state who can vote on either side.

He gets a great chuckle when he says that his critics think he hasn’t spent enough time in Washington: “He needs to be seasoned and stewed. We need to boil all the hope out of him and you know what? That argument didn’t work in iowa and it isn’t going to work in New Hampshire because you know that the real gamble would be to have the same old game plan in Washington with the same old players and somehow expect the same old result,” he says. “That is a gamble we cannot take.” The crowd erupts with chants at the push-back on Bill Clinton’s argument that voting for Mr. Obama would be a “roll of the dice.”

Either he really means it or this is one gigantic book tour to promote his memoir, “The Audacity of Hope.”

Mr. Obama is now linking the civil rights struggle with the inclusion of new voters who came out for him in Iowa. “That is what is possible in four days time, that is the challenge before you, New Hampshire,” he says, picking up the preacher cadence and clearly responding to the crowd. “If you believe we cannot be stopped, there is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, where that spirit, that faith, has to break through. This is our moment. This is our time.”

The crowd goes absolutely berserk. And in his crescendo moment, he says that if New Hampshire votes for him on Tuesday, “you and I will heal this nation and repair the world and finally have an America that we can believe in again _ in four days time.”

One tiny anecdote will tell you how this went over here. We were seated next to supporters of Mrs. Clinton. They applauded throughout Mr. Obama’s speech. Said one: “He almost changed my mind.”

[brawndolicious]

I had to google to see where FoC got that list (thank you very much FoC..) and it's a blog but it's cites news sites.

http://politicati.blogspot.com/2008/01/top-10-reasons-why-huckabee-is-nutjob.html

[APF]

Doesn't that fawning plush-piece shore-up Bill Clinton's assertion that the media is creating a cult-of-personality around Obameh?

[Gay Boy]

Obama is surging in NH.

Dems in NH:
Obama - 37%
Hillary - 27%
Edwards - 19%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cratic_primary

[AdmiralViscen]

Holy shit, rosebudded

[Human Snorenado]

Doesn't that fawning plush-piece shore-up Bill Clinton's assertion that the media is creating a cult-of-personality around Obameh?

Poor APF.  I'm sorry.

[APF]

 :'(

[APF]

See what happens when I put my trust in a Democratic candidate?  Heartbroke total.

[Human Snorenado]

Your choice is very telling- you chose the most heartless, robotic democrat possible.  Admit it, you're actually a T-800.

[Gay Boy]

APF wanted hillary right?

[Phoenix Dark]

Obama is surging in NH.

Dems in NH:
Obama - 37%
Hillary - 27%
Edwards - 19%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cratic_primary

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7717.html

[Phoenix Dark]

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=958098
 

[Gay Boy]

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=958098
 

"Massa favoring the light ones over the dark, letting them come in the house and actually relax for a few minutes and sh*t. this Obama craze is just an updated version of that same logic."

wtf 

[Eric P]

i'm glad that whites don't have to prove their whiteness to each other

imagine how embarrassing that would get

[Phoenix Dark]

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=958098
 

"Massa favoring the light ones over the dark, letting them come in the house and actually relax for a few minutes and sh*t. this Obama craze is just an updated version of that same logic."

wtf 

David Palmer invalidates that thread

[Himu]

Am i the only one who finds these presidential debates to be absolutely boring?

i tend to just read the paper the day after for some high lights

[Phoenix Dark]

I wish I was white so I could talk about politics with fellow whities

[demi]

i doubt we would take you any more seriously if you were white

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, i already consider you white, pd -- white in that foc kinda way

[Human Snorenado]

yeah, i already consider you white, pd -- white in that foc kinda way

seconded! 

[brawndolicious]

New Hampshire primaries, place your bets:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com

Republicans:
John McCain
32%
Mitt Romney
30%
Ron Paul
11%
Mike Huckabee
11%
Rudy Giuliani
9%
Fred Thompson
4%
Some other candidate
2%

Dems:
Barack Obama
39%
Hillary Clinton
27%
John Edwards
18%
Bill Richardson
8%
Dennis Kucinich
3%
Mike Gravel
0%

I think McCain and Obama will win.  McCain has a small lead now but combined with Paul not having enough votes for an election and Romney being..mormon, I think McCain has a pretty strong chance.  New Hampshire is nowhere near as evangelical as Iowa so Huckabee doesn't really have a chance there.  At least it won't be a minister like Huckabee no matter what.

Obama looks like he has this state in the bag too.  Probably a lot of overnight support from the surprise that he won in a 4% black state.  Nothing against him, but most of his support in this state is probably because he's black.  I doubt Hillary can gather enough support in time and it'll be even harder for Edwards who has no vagina or pigment.

[FlameOfCallandor]

hmmmm