Official 2008 Election thread

[FlameOfCallandor]

 

[Eric P]

well we did win the war in iraq easily

it's just everything AFTER that we bungled

[FlameOfCallandor]

well we did win the war in iraq easily

it's just everything AFTER that we bungled

Mission accomplished right?

[Phoenix Dark]

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wtf spoilers

I know Logan did something wrong but omg no more

[FlameOfCallandor]

I know Logan did something wrong but omg no more

Welcome to the year 2007.

[Phoenix Dark]

If there's video of this, I HAVE TO SEE IT

Exhausted and facing the prospect of losing the second test of her primary campaign, HIllary Clinton's voice broke and she fought back tears at the close of a sedate event in a Portsmouth coffee shop.

She expressed the sheer difficulty of heading out to the trail each day -- "It's not easy," she said -- and suggested she faced "pretty difficult odds."

And with audible frustration and disbelief, she drew the contrast between her experience and Senator Barack Obama's that suggests that her campaign's current message -- the question of who is ready -- matches her profound sense that she alone is ready for the job.

"Some of us know what are going to do on day one, and some of us haven’t thought that through enough," she said.

The question was inocuous:

"As a woman I know it’s hard to get out of the house and get ready," asked Marianne Pernold, a local freelance photographer. "Who does your hair?"

Clinton began by talking about her hair -- she has some help -- but moved to talk more generally about the campaign.

"It’s not easy, it’s not easy, and I couldn’t do it if i just didn’t passionately believe it was the right thing to do," she said.

"I have so many opportunities for this country. I don’t want to se us all fall back," she said, her voice breaking in the last phrase.

"This is very personal for me," she said to supportive applause from the small gathering, at which she'd been discussing policy around a table for an hour. "It’s not just political, it's not just public -- I see what's happening. We have to reverse it."

"Some people think elections are a game -- it’s about who’s up and who's down," she said. "It's about our country's future, it's about our kids' future - it's really about all of us together."

"And some of us put oursevles out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds, and we do it each one of us because we care about our country," she said.

"Some of us are right and some of us are wrong. Some of us are ready and some of us are not. Some of us know what are going to do on day one, and some of us haven’t thought that through enough," she said.

"When we look at the array of problems that we have, and the potential for it really spinning out of control -- this is one of the most important elections America's ever faced," she concluded.

The questioner, Pernold, said she'd come to the event "smitten" by Obama, but that she's now torn. "Showing that emotion -- I really find it refreshing," she said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_fights_tears_Its_not_easy.html

Clinton lost her smile 

[FlameOfCallandor]

She was the wife of a fairly popular president. All she had to do was not be a bitch and she could have won...

[Fragamemnon]

If the primaries still matter by the time it meanders to NC, I'm voting for Hillary and not Obama. I'll take the tough operator with actual legislative credentials that has no qualms about proverbially punching obstinate Republicans in the face to get her way over the head in the clouds idealist that will get his shit pushed in for all the key legislative fights by a conservative Democrat/GOP congressional coalition.

What I really wanted was Edwards, which was the happy medium of the two plus always delicious socalist class warfare, but his goose is cooked (again).

[FlameOfCallandor]

If the primaries still matter by the time it meanders to NC, I'm voting for Hillary and not Obama. I'll take the tough operator with actual legislative credentials that has no qualms about proverbially punching obstinate Republicans in the face to get her way over the head in the clouds idealist that will get his shit pushed in for all the key legislative fights by a conservative Democrat/GOP congressional coalition.

What I really wanted was Edwards

Edwards is not like hillary at all. Republicans would bend him over the table and anal probe him.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Also, what good do you really think would come from a socialist class warfare?

[Phoenix Dark]

wtf richardson   

[Fragamemnon]

Edwards is not like hillary at all. Republicans would bend him over the table and anal probe him.

Not so sure about that, he has a good populist vibe and I think it would play well with enough of the conservative Democratic congressional delegation to get some good stuff through.

Also, what good do you really think would come from a socialist class warfare?

Getting back to a sensible taxation scheme where wealth and work are more fairly taxed and curbing corporate America's "race to the bottom" which is murdering real wage growth for a vast majority of the middle class.

[FlameOfCallandor]

wtf richardson   

 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Getting back to a sensible taxation scheme where wealth and work are more fairly taxed and curbing corporate America's "race to the bottom" which is murdering real wage growth for a vast majority of the middle class.

Any taxes you do ad are going to affect the middle class the most. Why would a company not pass the cost of a tax on to the consumer?

[Fragamemnon]

Any taxes you do ad are going to affect the middle class the most. Why would a company not pass the cost of a tax on to the consumer?

I didn't necessarily state that corporate taxes were the issue at hand!

What makes you think that a company that passes the cost of a tax onto the consumer wouldn't find its marketshare eroded by a more nimble, agile company with better productivity and proceesses that didn't have to do so? Has Ron Paul's total electoral failure (to be fair, there hasn't been a primary in a militia state yet) already shattered your belief in the free market?  :'(

[Bloodwake]

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LMFAO

I KNEW THAT GUY LOOKED LIKE HIM

[FlameOfCallandor]

d!

What makes you think that a company that passes the cost of a tax onto the consumer wouldn't find its marketshare eroded by a more nimble, agile company with better productivity and proceesses

This happens in the free market.

[FlameOfCallandor]

What makes you think that a company that passes the cost of a tax onto the consumer wouldn't find its marketshare eroded by a more nimble, agile company with better productivity and proceesses that didn't have to do so? Has Ron Paul's total electoral failure (to be fair, there hasn't been a primary in a militia state yet) already shattered your belief in the free market?  :'(

Exsissive taxes are not part of the free market and only encourage more political intervention on the party of business lobbyists.
i dont understand your argument. You say we should tax big business and then shame then when they pass the cost on to the consumers (the middle class). Business will always always pass costs onto consumers. If it costs $4 to make a widget and then congress passes a widget tax of $2. They arent gonna sell the thing for $5 anymore. They are gonna sell it for $7.

[Bloodwake]

Obama is surging in NH.

Dems in NH:
Obama - 37%
Hillary - 27%
Edwards - 19%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cratic_primary

I hope this poll is accurate.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I hope this poll is accurate.

[Fragamemnon]

Exsissive taxes are not part of the free market and only encourage more political intervention on the party of business lobbyists.
i dont understand your argument. You say we should tax big business and then shame then when they pass the cost on to the consumers (the middle class). Business will always always pass costs onto consumers. If it costs $4 to make a widget and then congress passes a widget tax of $2. They arent gonna sell the thing for $5 anymore. They are gonna sell it for $7.

A) I never said we should tax big business, that was you putting words in someone else's mouth so you can say what you want. BTW, that is one of the main reasons people detest you any political thread you get involved in.
B)  Your example is extreme and numerically disproportionate to any targeted consumer item tax.
C) Elasticity motherfucker do you speak it. I swear, if there are any two things that makes talking to people over the internet about economics maddening, it's the complete ignorance of people to externalities and elasticity.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Then what tax are you talking about? Most people who talk about social class war far want to bring down Teh evil big business. For fucks sake all Edwards talks about is taxing business and CEOs.

[Bloodwake]

I hope this poll is accurate.

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Can't argue with that response.

[Fragamemnon]

Then what tax are you talking about? Most people who talk about social class war far want to bring down Teh evil big business. For fucks sake all Edwards talks about is taxing business and CEOs.

1) Cutting tax breaks to indsutries that don't need them. You don't need to subsidize profitable, established industry all because they have a lot of lobbyists and campaign donors, it's bullshit.
2) Bring taxation on investment income on par with taxation on income from the average family's paycheck. Income is income.

I'd look at offshore tax havens and other shenanigans as well, but overall the country doesn't really need/warrant a higher base corporate tax rate.

[Van Cruncheon]

Then what tax are you talking about? Most people who talk about social class war far want to bring down Teh evil big business. For fucks sake all Edwards talks about is taxing business and CEOs.

taxing RICH INDIVIDUALS, dipshit

that was you putting words in someone else's mouth so you can say what you want. BTW, that is one of the main reasons people detest you any political thread you get involved in.

ziggackly.

[FlameOfCallandor]

1) Cutting tax breaks to indsutries that don't need them. You don't need to subsidize profitable, established industry all because they have a lot of lobbyists and campaign donors, it's bullshit.
2) Bring taxation on investment income on par with taxation on income from the average family's paycheck. Income is income.

Subsidies and tax breaks are not exactly the same thing.
And income shouldn't be taxed at all.

[Eric P]

And income shouldn't be taxed at all.

should we rely on charities to fund the military?

[Gay Boy]

FoC, excited to see Paul get 4th or 5th tonight I take it?

What was your initial prediction? He'd get third place in Iowa which would be a shocker and gain tons of media attention which would lead him to getting first in NH? Sounds RIGHT ON TRACK

[pollo]

foc if you're going to talk fud based off what you learned in EC101. Please, PLEASE remember price elasticity.

[Human Snorenado]

foc if you're going to talk fud based off what you learned in EC101. Please, PLEASE remember price elasticity.

but but but GOLD!

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

MOMENT OF TRUTH PART TWO MOTHERFUCKERS!

Paul fans are expecting a victory in NH.  If Paul can't win here, he can't win anywhere and might as well drop out.

[FlameOfCallandor]

foc if you're going to talk fud based off what you learned in EC101. Please, PLEASE remember price elasticity.

When the price of a good falls, the quantity consumers demand of the good typically rises; if it costs less, consumers buy more. Price elasticity of demand measures the responsiveness of a change in quantity demanded for a good or service to a change in price.

So we want prices to be low so consumers have more buying power right? If we artificially increase the price through taxes than all it does is affect the consumers.  What am I missing about your point?

[FlameOfCallandor]

MOMENT OF TRUTH PART TWO MOTHERFUCKERS!

Paul fans are expecting a victory in NH.  If Paul can't win here, he can't win anywhere and might as well drop out.

I'm not expecting a victory, but 3rd place would be nice.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Also, Gold hit an all time high today.

[Phoenix Dark]

My predictions

Repigs

McCain 37%
Romney 29%
Huckabee 16%
Paul 10% (BELIEVE)

Dems

CLINTON 39%
Obama 37%
Edwards 30%

I'm going down with the ship

[Gay Boy]

I predict Obama's victory wont be as huge as the hype buuuut:

Dems:
Obama - 37%
Clinton - 31%
Edwards - 22%

Reps:
McCain - 34%
Romney - 30%
Huckabee - 12%
Rudy - 10%
Paul - 10%

[Human Snorenado]

My predictions

Repigs

McCain 37%
Romney 29%
Huckabee 16%
Paul 10% (BELIEVE)

Dems

CLINTON 39%
Obama 37%
Edwards 30%

I'm going down with the ship

Yeah you are.

The real real:

Obama 41%
Hilldog 31%
Edwards 17%
I'm a Governor 9%

McCain 33%
Romney 26%
Gov Jesus 15%
Mayor Mc911 11%
Rep Dr. Goldnugget 9.9% lolz

[FlameOfCallandor]

Bill Richardson has done alot more than just be a governor.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

MOMENT OF TRUTH PART TWO MOTHERFUCKERS!

Paul fans are expecting a victory in NH.  If Paul can't win here, he can't win anywhere and might as well drop out.

I'm not expecting a victory, but 3rd place would be nice.

By saying that, you admitting that he will never get nominated by the GOP.  New Hampshire has more independents than several of the following caucus states.  If Paul has any sort of viability at all (lol), he needs to win NH or at least nip the heels of the winner.

If Paul can't win or come very close to winning NH, he might as well drop out.

[Human Snorenado]

Bill Richardson has done alot more than just be a governor.

You're right, I should have said

"I'm a governor, energy secretary, hostage negotiator and a member of the hairclub for men"

[Phoenix Dark]

When I worked under Clinton!

This is what I'd do!

As governor this is what I did!

When I worked under Clinton, this is what I did

This is what I did as governor

As governor and when working under Clinton, this is what I did

Moderator: Time's up

[FlameOfCallandor]

By saying that, you admitting that he will never get nominated by the GOP.  New Hampshire has more independents than several of the following caucus states.  If Paul has any sort of viability at all (lol), he needs to win NH or at least nip the heels of the winner.

If Paul can't win or come very close to winning NH, he might as well drop out.

I've already said he probably wont win.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Bill Richardson is to Clinton as Fred Thompson is to Reagan: A candidate who banks hard on trying to make potential voters relive those days of past administrators.  Fortunately, that strategy isn't working for either one of them.  Richardson had some potential to go far IMO but he squandered it on nostalgia tripping.

By saying that, you admitting that he will never get nominated by the GOP.  New Hampshire has more independents than several of the following caucus states.  If Paul has any sort of viability at all (lol), he needs to win NH or at least nip the heels of the winner.

If Paul can't win or come very close to winning NH, he might as well drop out.

I've already said he probably wont win.

Well...ok then.

[FlameOfCallandor]

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[brawndolicious]

oooh numbers!

Obama: 35%
Clinton: 27%
Edwards: 18%

McCain: 38%
Romney: 24%
Huck: 10%
Paul: 10%

[FlameOfCallandor]

oooh numbers!

Obama: 35%
Clinton: 27%
Edwards: 18%

McCain: 38%
Romney: 24%
Huck: 10%
Paul: 10%

If Ron Paul can beat Huckabee for 3rd. even if its by .05% I think it will be a big story.

[Phoenix Dark]

oooh numbers!

Obama: 35%
Clinton: 27%
Edwards: 18%

McCain: 38%
Romney: 24%
Huck: 10%
Paul: 10%

link?

[FlameOfCallandor]

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I think we can all agree that this was long over do. While I dont like seeing an angry mob like this. I'm pretty sure they were harmless. You can even here a few of the crowd telling people not to throw things. Hannity so deserved this.

[brawndolicious]

that's in the ron paul thread for a reason idiot.

these are what I think they'll get PD.  the ron paul-Huckabee prediction was BS.  both of them have no chance cause they're so radical so it doesn't matter who wins.  this'll just cement a McCain-Romney only election and then Romney will be seen as too different so eventually, McCain will win.

[Van Cruncheon]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229220

ron paul 5th at 8%

lolbertarians cry, but bitter tears are fiat currency

Democrats  |  Polls | County Results
Candidate Votes % of votes Delegates won Projected winner
Hillary Clinton 17,393 40% 0 
Barack Obama 15,574 36% 0 
John Edwards 7,304 17% 0 
Bill Richardson 1,913 4% 0 
Dennis Kucinich 815 2% 0 
Joe Biden 76 0% 0 
Mike Gravel 61 0% 0 
Chris Dodd 38 0% 0 
14% of precincts reporting 


Republicans  |  Polls | County Results
Candidate Votes % of votes Delegates won Projected winner
John McCain 10,127 37% 0 
Mitt Romney 7,744 28% 0 
Mike Huckabee 3,288 12% 0 
Rudy Giuliani 2,536 9% 0 
Ron Paul 2,252 8% 0 
Fred Thompson 406 1% 0 
Duncan Hunter 159 1% 0
 

[Ichirou]

I really want Hillary to lose New Hampshire so we can see a full-on crying jag.

[Van Cruncheon]

i want to see her lose because i'm not a fan of her little cabal of dc power elite

[Mr. Gundam]

Today, a huge Ron Paul banner showed up on the exit I take on North bound I-5 in Seattle to go home each day... creeps me out.

[brawndolicious]

ron paul 5th place again.

disappointed in obama's loss though.  wonder what the next state will vote (which is that?).

[Ichirou]

Obama hasn't lost yet...only 31% of precincts are reporting and it's too close to call.

[brawndolicious]

oh..okay.

[Mr. Gundam]

There is one about half a mile from my house.  Looks like a 4 year old painted it and it say "Ron Paul Reloveution[sic]."  Nothing says legitimate non-fringe candidate like a handpainted banner with comically misspelled wording!

That's like the one by my house, except it says Revolution, but the evol is in red and the L is backwards to look like it's trying to say LOVE.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I never really got the RE[3VO_|]UTION

Does that mean Ron Paul is the candidate of Revolution...and Love?! Is he a hippie?!

[Bloodwake]

God, fucking New Hampshire.

Making us Obama supporters sweat it the fuck out.

[Human Snorenado]

God, fucking New Hampshire.

Making us Obama supporters sweat it the fuck out.

I'M FREAKING THE FUCK OUT HERE, MAN