Official 2008 Election thread

[FlameOfCallandor]

amen.


Hillary is not going to win.

[Fragamemnon]

McCain would get slaughtered by Hillary on the economy and neutralized on the national defense (non) issue. Also, look forward to seeing "100 years in Iraq" played over and over and over again.

McCain is DOA. The GOP should look to Romney or the Huck instead, and I think a lot of voters out there will do so in the end, and if McCain keeps winning with paltry 30-something percentiles, look for him to not get the nomination at the convention even if he has the most delegates.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The convention is going to be interesting. Everyone is gonna have some delgates. Even Ron Paul.

[Gay Boy]

Going by the dreaded media then hillary is behind McCain in polling. I say she wins because first off I dont think there is a soul left outside the extreme Obama faithful that thinks Hillary will lose this nomination now but the fact is she'll attack McCain (and good ol' Bill too of course) day in and day out. McCain isn't big on the whole smear and destroy campaign style. It's part of the reason Bush crushed him.

McCain will fall into the same trap as Kerry in 2004. Just this time the parties are reversed.

Also this election is about the economy. Not Iraq or foreign policy. McCain said he doesn't know much about economic policy, that he isn't a "economic wizard" as he called. Hillary will DESTROY that.

How will a national security candidate win against a economic candidate in a election about the economy? Its 1992 all over again.

[Phoenix Dark]

1. McCain would beat Hillary in a general, write it down. I'm still not convinced she'll ever be president, unless she runs against Ron Paul

2. Obama is going to win SC, which should give him more clout. He's the Anti-Hillary candidate right now, as Nevada showed. Edwards is done

3. GET ON AIM

[Gay Boy]

1. McCain would beat Hillary in a general, write it down. I'm still not convinced she'll ever be president, unless she runs against Ron Paul

How. You have no logical reasoning outside lol polls. This is a economic election, not a foreign policy one. How does McCain win in that.

And, just a sec I'll get on.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.

[Gay Boy]

Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.

people dont care about that. they care about home foreclosures.

[FlameOfCallandor]

people dont care about that. they care about home foreclosures.

It's the same shit. Screwing with the market by artificially "fixing" it will only make the problem worse.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.

Tell me how hillary would beat Ron Paul in a general election. Lets pretend they are running against each other.

Ron Paul gets the republican votes, (Pro life etc...)
Ron Paul gets the majority of all 3rd party support
Ron Paul gets the anti-war vote (The Michael Moore crowd would probably support Ron Paul over hillary)
Ron Paul gets the ecenomic vote for people who arent distinguished mentally-challenged.

Hillary gets he vote from fucking stupid as hell women.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.

Tell me how hillary would beat Ron Paul in a general election. Lets pretend they are running against each other.

Ron Paul gets the republican votes, (Pro life etc...)
Ron Paul gets the majority of all 3rd party support
Ron Paul gets the anti-war vote (The Michael Moore crowd would probably support Ron Paul over hillary)
Ron Paul gets the ecenomic vote for people who arent distinguished mentally-challenged.

Hillary gets he vote from fucking stupid as hell women.

Someone who can't win a primary state can't win a general election

[CajoleJuice]

what the fuck

[FlameOfCallandor]

Someone who can't win a primary state can't win a general election

Tell me how the match up with hillary vs. ron paul would play out.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ok

Hillary would be ahead in the polls by 50-60 points. The republican party would refuse to support Paul due to his anti-Iraq stance, and a third party candidate would emerge. Possibly a Bloomberg type, maybe someone else. In November Hillary would win with around 50% of the vote, with the third party candidate getting 30% and Paul at 20% at best.

[Human Snorenado]

Someone who can't win a primary state can't win a general election

Tell me how the match up with hillary vs. ron paul would play out.

Ron Paul would get the Libertarians, racists and xenophobes, as well as the people who just want weed to be illegal.  Hillary would get everyone else.  So, I'm thinking a 90-10 Hillary landslide.

Come on, dipshit.  Haven't you figured out yet that YOU'RE ALWAYS FUCKING WRONG?

[Van Cruncheon]

hillary would say NATIONAL HEALTH CARE and do her little posturing I AM A GOOD CHRISTIAN thing and the swing electoral states -- repubs and dems alike -- would hand her their vote. libertarianism doesn't play with women, and since women vote in slightly greater numbers with men, ol' ron is already down, but as soon as the heartland states perk their ears up for a HEIL JESUS from ron and get nothing but crickets his already fuckall chances are fuckall fuckall. the evangelicals and gunslingers wouldn't turn out.

ron paul economic policy talk plays to a small audience of people too smart to NOT care about the economy (an already tiny group at that) and too stupid to realize that paul's reductive theories only play as articles of black-and-white idealistic faith, not reality.

americans care about: THEIR KIDS' HEALTH, THEIR OWN HEALTH, JESUS, HANDOUTS, ABORTIONS and THEM DIRTY MEXICANS in that order. ron paul really only plays to the THEM DIRTY MEXICANS set.

[FlameOfCallandor]

americans care about: THEIR KIDS' HEALTH, THEIR OWN HEALTH, JESUS, HANDOUTS, ABORTIONS and THEM DIRTY MEXICANS in that order. ron paul really only plays to the THEM DIRTY MEXICANS set.

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WTF?? 

[Van Cruncheon]

did you miss his entire immigration platform?

[Van Cruncheon]

Well Prole did forget the "legalize it" voting bloc.

-- i don't sell out my friends

[Bloodwake]

Well, looks like this country is fucked.

[Human Snorenado]

Well, looks like this country is fucked.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Ron Paul only appeals to the gullible internet users, klansmen, and moonbat right wing fringe extremists.  That is all.  Barring the first category, that is only about 1-2% of the US.  Unless there are 60-70 million gullible internet users out there that are going to vote for Paul, if he were to go up against Hillary, he wouldn't get a single electoral vote.

It is funny how he goes up to the podium and stresses about how much he wants to eliminate the Department of Education but then wants to talk about being a serious candidate.  His policies are lazy as fuck (if it doesn't work well, don't fix it, just do away with it!) might appeal to the couch potato crowd so hey, he might have a chance.

[Tauntaun]

Looks like Thompson is out.  Saw this coming before he even began. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

did you miss his entire immigration platform?

Please tell me what you think his immigration platform is. It sounds like you dont eve know.

[FlameOfCallandor]

It is funny how he goes up to the podium and stresses about how much he wants to eliminate the Department of Education but then wants to talk about being a serious candidate.

Reagen did that...

[Van Cruncheon]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/ -- start readin', and then tell me how this platform, among ALL the candidates, doesn't appeal the most to the KICK THEM CATHOLIC RAT BASTARD BROWNSKINS OUT crowd.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I found out that the cute receptionist at work went to a Ron Paul meetup this weekend ;___;

boner killer maximus

[Human Snorenado]

I found out that the cute receptionist at work went to a Ron Paul meetup this weekend ;___;

boner killer maximus

It is your duty to fuck the stupid out of her, Patel.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/ -- start readin',

All the candidates have said these things on the GOP. Most Americans probably agree with him. Hillary got hammered over illegal alien drivers.

Ron Paul does stress that he doesnt blame the illegal immigrants. They are a scapegoat for the welfare system. No other GOP has said that at all. They just blame them.

[FlameOfCallandor]

boner killer maximus

Yea shes too good for you.

[Mandark]

Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.

Way more people have been giving money to and voting for Hillary than Ron Paul.

Nobody ever won an election talking about monetary policy.

Read this part slowly and repeatedly:  Most people do not share your political beliefs.  You are in the minority.

[Fragamemnon]

for fuck's sake this isn't the shitheap thread. FOC keep your delusional bullshit out of this one.

I'm beginning to think that Obama's biggest problem is that he is running a nonpartisan primary campaign when a lot of the primary has voters that are both very partisan and very angry. I know I'm both partisan and angry, and Obama's happy time afterschool special campaign isn't resonating with me at all, and I'm the kind of voter that is very enthusiastic about voting in my primary.

[Mandark]

None of the candidates have really been hitting the Mad As Hell notes.  I'm not even sure if that would work for me.  I'm more fatigued by Bush than angry at this point.

Slight tangent:  I thought Obama's comments about Reagan were pretty much spot-on.  Reagan did represent a shift in politics in a way that Nixon and Clinton didn't, and I do think there's a chance for a liberal Reagan this cycle.

Which, ironically, is why I'm an Edwards man.

[FlameOfCallandor]

If you are fatigued by Bush than you are in line for most of the country. That being said Hillary is Bush 2.0 but even worse. She whats to increase the size of the government even more than bush did. Jesus it's almost unthinkable.

[Fragamemnon]

That being said Hillary is Bush 2.0 but even worse. She whats to increase the size of the government even more than bush did. Jesus it's almost unthinkable.

Saying that Hillary is Bush 2.0 solely because of her want to increase the size of government is totally narrow-minded. Most people have way less problems with the size and scope of the current government than they do with the way said government fails to address their biggest concerns in their day to day lives.

[FlameOfCallandor]

She voted for the war and the patriot act. Two of the most hated things the bush administration has done. She is very similar to Bush. 

[Mandark]

Bush and Clinton are very similar (maybe) if you judge every issue by placing it on a Less Government <----> More Government axis.

You are the only one here who does that.

[FlameOfCallandor]

For the past 4 years all the left has been saying is "Iraw, Iraw, Iraq, Iraq Patriot Act, Iraq, Iraq" And now they are voting for a pro-war candidate. That tells me that liberals in the country are either fucking dense or they are blindly supporting a candidate.

[Mandark]

You missed when The Left was whining about the Bush tax cuts, attempt at Social Security privatization, bankruptcy bill, corporate giveaways in the Medicaid drug benefit, lack of action on global warming, conservative Supreme Court nominees, etc?

Just because you vote on a single issue, don't expect everyone else to.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You missed when The Left was whining about the Bush tax cuts,

The left hates tax cuts? They are more than welcome to give more money to the government if they want.

attempt at Social Security privatization,

They dont talk about this much anymore.

corporate giveaways in the Medicaid drug benefit,

The left would have done the same thing as Bush.

lack of action on global warming, 

Oh yea, I forgot about teh huge voting block that is voting on this issue.
 

conservative Supreme Court nominees, etc?

I have never heard Obama or hillary mention that.


Done even try to deny that the Iraq war is the single biggest issue that unifies the left.

[Mandark]

<FoC> The Left agrees with Ron Paul on the war and that is the only issue they care about!  They should vote for him or they're ignorant!

<Me> But they disagree with him on so many other things.

<FoC> But he's right and they're wrong about those things!  They should vote for him anyway!



Let me explain this again: People have different opinions and priorities than you.  They will act based on their opinions and priorities, not yours.  If there is one area of overlap where they agree with you, that issue does not suddenly become the only one they ever think about.

You agree with Dennis Kucinich and Bill Richardson about the war, but you don't support them.  It's the same thing.

As soon as you figure this out and learn to live with it, you'll be a lot less frustrated.

[Gay Boy]

FoC dems arent going iraq iraq iraq. No one cares about Iraq much anymore. It's a nonissue that neither party really cares about anymore.

Dems main concern is two things right now:
Fixing the economy
Universal Health Care

both of those issues are issues dems are VERY different on compared to the other party, especially hillary compared to Bush and the republicans. Hillary is more or less running on Universal Health Care is THE central issue. She wants to do something as big as FDR's New Deal.

And guess what? The public agrees. all polling shows massive support for govt. provided health care now, unlike 10 years ago.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Ron Paul is not about the economy.  Laissez faire capitalism has brought the economy to its knees a fair number of times from 1870-1940.  If we want to accelerate the race to the bottom, Ron Paul is the man to get it done.

People actually want someone to address the realistic state of the economy, not theoretic "Austrian Economics" bullshit.  When people have debts mounting up and are staying up nights not sure if they will get the pink slip or not the next day, they are going to want actual answers, not theoretics.

The economy and health care are the two greatest issues.  Which is personally why I don't think any GOP candidate stands a chance.  Fearmongering is all they can really do and that strategy worked out poorly for them in 2006.  It will work out disastrously if they focus on it for 2008.

[Van Cruncheon]

She voted for the war and the patriot act. Two of the most hated things the bush administration has done. She is very similar to Bush. 

and how is bush on universal health care, eh?

[AdmiralViscen]

Bill Clinton is still highly influential in SC.

Roughly 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters said Bill Clinton's campaigning was important in how they ultimately decided to vote, and of those voters, 48 percent went for Barack Obama while only 37 percent went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent of those voters voted for John Edwards.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/26/sc.primary/index.html

Obama dominates SC, doubling Hillary's numbers so far.

[Bloodwake]

Hell yeah.

OBAMARAMA rolling through South Carolina

[CajoleJuice]

Awesome. Would've liked to see Edwards top Clinton as well.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yea, but then he'd probably stay in the race longer. It's time for him to get the fuck out and endorse Obamarama

[CajoleJuice]

Yea, but then he'd probably stay in the race longer. It's time for him to get the fuck out and endorse Obamarama

I don't know my shit, but I've heard that Edwards dropping out would benefit Hillary more than Obama.

[AdmiralViscen]

He smokes the black cock

[Phoenix Dark]

The anti-Hillary meme on GAF is almost more annoying than FoC's Paul fanaticism.

[Phoenix Dark]

Florida election is tomorrow; while it won't mean much for the democrats, it's going to be a deal breaker for the republicans. If McCain wins he goes into Feb 5th as the standout frontrunner, ready to sweep possibly. If Romney wins this becomes a two man race and sets up an even more exciting Feb 5th. And if Rudy wins (lol)...he's back?

Predictions? Florida has a lot of OLD people, which makes me think McCain will win. And there are a lot of Christians there, which benefits Huckabee<3.

1. McCain
2. Romney
3. Huckabee
4. RUDY (bye bye) 

[Gay Boy]

1. McCain
2. Romney
3. Rudy (bye)
4. Huckabee (bye)


Also GAF's obama fans have turned into ron paul fans. They are batshit insane. I mean does anyone honestly think Obama will win Feb 5th super tuesday?  They are damn insane. Obama will get a lot of delegates and keep this going but they go on like he'll crush her and wipe her off the map. They are going to be one pissed off group come that evening...

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ron Paul wooWoo!!

[Phoenix Dark]

Apparently Rudy was on Fox and Friends this morning and looked depressed as fuck. Can't wait to get home and check it out. He ran a stupid campaign. I understand he had no chance in places like SC no matter what, but he could have tried to compete in places like Nevada, Michigan, and even NH; iirc he campaigned in NH for a bit then retreated to Florida wtf

[Eric P]

i think he's just so distraught that america had given up and is willing to let al queda win

[MrAngryFace]

Clintons are getting mauled by the press over some race card stuff lol.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Clintons are getting mauled by the press over some race card stuff lol.

Welcome to 2 weeks ago.

[MrAngryFace]

Actually Slate just posted an article a few days ago, so welcome to shut your mouth before I make your special ed teacher do it for you.