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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1260 on: February 04, 2008, 06:29:13 PM »
I'm voting on March 4th in Ohio.  Hope Obama is still in it by then, but I'm pretty sure it'll still be a close fuckin' race by then.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1261 on: February 04, 2008, 07:36:32 PM »
times your response by 2,000,000=lost Obama voters lol

Plus at least one lost Hitlery vote :(
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1262 on: February 04, 2008, 08:24:19 PM »
thats k apf, i'm voting hildawg tomorrow.

i'm hoping to knock over a bunch of changers with falcon punches while i'm at it
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« Reply #1263 on: February 04, 2008, 10:16:14 PM »
I have a pretty funny story. Yesterday I did some canvassing for Ron Paul in a heavy republican precinct. We got the a few Mccain supporters, a guy with a Fred Thompson sticker who would never vote for Paul because of the war issue. Unsurprisingly alot of black families were undecided and liked what that had heard about Ron Paul. But the weirdest thing, and I mean weirdest fucking thing I have ever seen in my life was this one particular house. We knocked on the door and this mentally handicapped man opened the door. And this wasnt your tubby jolly distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, this was a giant of a man that looked like he came straight from that first Rob Zombie movie. He kind of yelled to some dude in the house that there was company. A voice from within the house yells for us to come in. My partner was unfazed, but I was a little worried about entering a strange house, even if it was in the name of Liberty. Once we get in, I quickly notice that there are 5 mentally handicapped people, all look like they havnt shaved in a few days. On the couch was what I can only assume the head of the household. He was relaxed on the couch watching TV while the other distinguished mentally-challenged fellows were milling about the house. One of them, the guy who answered the door, came from behind us with a mop and started to "clean" the hard wood floors where we were standing. I say clean, but what I really mean is that he was getting the mop wet and transferring the water from a bucket to the floor, causing the floor to be wet but not clean.

The guy said he liked Ron Paul so we gave him some literature and then we left. It was so freaking weird. Growing up I saw the halmark movie "The Boys Next Door" about a jolly house full of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and this was nothing like it.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1264 on: February 04, 2008, 10:28:21 PM »
You're lucky you escaped with your life.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1265 on: February 04, 2008, 10:50:49 PM »
^^  :lol
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1266 on: February 05, 2008, 09:29:40 AM »
Why the hell are voting days always on weekdays?  My God, it's annoying having to wake extra early to vote.  Or at least make these mandatory holidays, maybe not for the primaries, but for the main elections.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1267 on: February 05, 2008, 09:40:53 AM »
Yeah, I'm going tonite to vote in the primary.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1268 on: February 05, 2008, 10:35:16 AM »
Yeah, I'm going tonite to vote in the primary.

Me too, right after work.  :supergay  <~~~ Just imagine it's an American flag.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1269 on: February 05, 2008, 01:04:31 PM »
It's more based on her living in the White House for eight years and being intimately-involved in policy decisions, to the extent that the Clinton Administration was often called a "co-Presidency; she was regarded as the most-powerful and influential first-lady since Eleanor Roosevelt; even when she wasn't married / a first-lady, she was involved in national politics.  Is it possible to be an Obama fanboy without trying to negatively-spin Hitlery's accomplishments and accolades?
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« Reply #1270 on: February 05, 2008, 02:58:00 PM »
It's more based on her living in the White House for eight years and being intimately-involved in policy decisions, to the extent that the Clinton Administration was often called a "co-Presidency; she was regarded as the most-powerful and influential first-lady since Eleanor Roosevelt; even when she wasn't married / a first-lady, she was involved in national politics.  Is it possible to be an Obama fanboy without trying to negatively-spin Hitlery's accomplishments and accolades?

While I am not an Obama fanboy, I have to say that you're ignoring the possibility that people may not like Hillary Clinton (or her husband, for that matter) because they aren't LIBERAL ENOUGH.  While I know I'm fringe, I don't have it in me to vote for someone that used to be on the board of Wal-Mart and wants to piggyback her husband's dubious accomplishments (NAFTA, corporate deregulation in the 90's, etc) to her already moderate record in the Senate.  Granted, Obama's record is virtually identical but as I've pointed out countless times- it will be easier for Obama to beat a Republican in November than it will for Hillary to.  She's too much of a known quantity, people have already made their minds up about her.  Then you have the whole "lolz misogyny is ok but even appearing racist in the least isn't" double standard going on and it gets even harder for her.

I know you personally think she's the best person for the job, but if you can't get hired you can't do the job anyway.  Unless this Hillary backing of yours has been a masterful stealth troll to support whoever the GOP candidate is... with you we can never tell.
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« Reply #1271 on: February 05, 2008, 07:56:19 PM »
No it's genuine support.  I think--and I've said this before--Hillary faces a weird double-standard where she's either "too liberal" or "too conservative" depending on which side you think is worse, while Obama is regarded the same but depending on which side you think is better (if you follow).  Essentially, both are cyphers for whatever you want to place on them.
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« Reply #1272 on: February 05, 2008, 08:00:23 PM »
Oh, and also I think Hillary can rally the base more, or at least the inevitable over-the-top attacks leveled upon her will rally the base more than the boring campaign of McCain vs Obama, where independents will fall asleep, sound in the knowledge that it won't matter in their minds who gets elected.  Despite the star power, at this point I see low turnout in the JMC/BO race.  I expect high turnout and a greater sense of there being a clear distinction between the two choices in a JMC/HC race. But I'm a bad prognosticator, so who knows.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1273 on: February 05, 2008, 08:01:09 PM »
Early exit polls
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    Second Wave Numbers

    Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37
    Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45
    Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26
    Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45
    Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42
    Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26
    Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30
    Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48
    Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46
    New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47
    New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43
    Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31
    Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41.1

    First Wave Numbers

    California: Clinton 50, Obama 47
    New Mexico: Obama 52, Clinton 47
    Utah: Obama 61, Clinton 40

UH OH
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1274 on: February 05, 2008, 08:01:50 PM »
COME ON OBAMA!
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1275 on: February 05, 2008, 09:29:16 PM »
This fucking rocked, my mom and brother were both gonna go vote for Hillary today, but my brother never showed up at the polling booth since he was busy on med school interviews, so me and my mom went to the school to vote... apparently we then learn my mom is registered as an Independent so she can't vote!  :lol So I'm the only one in the family to vote and of course I voted Obama.
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« Reply #1276 on: February 05, 2008, 09:52:50 PM »
Early exit polls
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    Second Wave Numbers

    Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37
    Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45
    Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26
    Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45
    Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42
    Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26
    Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30
    Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48
    Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46
    New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47
    New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43
    Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31
    Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41.1

    First Wave Numbers

    California: Clinton 50, Obama 47
    New Mexico: Obama 52, Clinton 47
    Utah: Obama 61, Clinton 40

UH OH

oh shit

and tiesto, like Hillary isn't going to win our state :lol



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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1277 on: February 05, 2008, 10:38:13 PM »
Jesus Cheebs is annoying on gaf.

Well, most of the people in the Super Tuesday thread are, but, you know.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1278 on: February 05, 2008, 10:48:51 PM »
Looks like its gonna come down to Texas...

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1279 on: February 05, 2008, 10:53:58 PM »
Hildawg sweeping away gaf with her torrent of tears
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1280 on: February 05, 2008, 10:55:42 PM »
Hillary wins!
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1281 on: February 05, 2008, 11:15:35 PM »
How the hell do we tell who's winning on CNN.com?  Do we just look at the number of  delegates?  I forgot what those are.

I still need to vote.  Hope it's not crowded.

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« Reply #1282 on: February 05, 2008, 11:59:33 PM »
No it's genuine support.  I think--and I've said this before--Hillary faces a weird double-standard where she's either "too liberal" or "too conservative" depending on which side you think is worse, while Obama is regarded the same but depending on which side you think is better (if you follow).  Essentially, both are cyphers for whatever you want to place on them.

I'll buy that notion.  I certainly see her getting hammered from the left for being a Wal-Mart board member, hawkish moderate and from the right for... well, for being a woman with opinions and not being afraid to speak about them.

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Oh, and also I think Hillary can rally the base more, or at least the inevitable over-the-top attacks leveled upon her will rally the base more than the boring campaign of McCain vs Obama, where independents will fall asleep, sound in the knowledge that it won't matter in their minds who gets elected.  Despite the star power, at this point I see low turnout in the JMC/BO race.  I expect high turnout and a greater sense of there being a clear distinction between the two choices in a JMC/HC race. But I'm a bad prognosticator, so who knows.

See, I disagree- as I've said before I highly doubt that Obama would be subject to the same smear campaign that Clinton or even any other candidate would get, because the RWNM (Right Wing Noise Machine, of course) doesn't want to get branded as racist.  Or maybe they do go after him but I foresee a huge backlash if they do because OMG RACIST!!!

As far as motivating the base goes, I also disagree- I think the grassroots would get out more for Obama because they don't like Hillary.

I still think Hillary will win the nomination, but I have to believe she loses to McCain.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1283 on: February 06, 2008, 12:19:08 AM »
okay, I voted for Obama and according to cnn.com, it looks like Hillary will win.  Damn.  Might change but I'm pretty sure Cali will go to Hillary.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1284 on: February 06, 2008, 12:28:56 AM »
DIRTY FUCKING LATINOS AND ASIANS ARE BREAKING FOR HILLARY IN DROVES IN CALIFORNIA

FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK
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« Reply #1285 on: February 06, 2008, 12:47:40 AM »
The grassroots will go for whomever is the nominee.  They went to Kerry after Dean collapsed, and in large numbers; they'll fall in line.  Note that my assessment of a McCain / Obama race wasn't predicated on smear tactics or even a rough campaign.  In fact I assume, much like you, that it will be boring.  Boring favors conservatives, and despite Rush Limbaugh, McCain obviously has a clear command of Republican voters.  Racist conservatives may not speak out-loud against Obama in a racist way, but the idea they'll sit idly by while colored folks are fixin to smoke their crack rocks in the Oval Office seems extremely optimistic to me, and if you (or Mandark, for that matter) really believe the BS that the Republican party is a party BASED on nativism and racism, you can only come to a similar conclusion.  If you're a racist, would you rather acquiesce to having more lawnmowers and dishwasers, or Boss N*gger savagely violating your innocent White House?
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1286 on: February 06, 2008, 12:56:21 AM »
DIRTY FUCKING LATINOS AND ASIANS ARE BREAKING FOR HILLARY IN DROVES IN CALIFORNIA

FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK

whyyyyyyyyyy

how are people so stuuuuuupid
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1287 on: February 06, 2008, 12:58:46 AM »
DIRTY FUCKING LATINOS AND ASIANS ARE BREAKING FOR HILLARY IN DROVES IN CALIFORNIA

FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK
don't forget old people too.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1288 on: February 06, 2008, 01:00:10 AM »
old people shouldn't be allowed to vote

they're senile and will probably die before they have to live with the consequences of whoever they vote into office
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« Reply #1289 on: February 06, 2008, 01:24:46 AM »
Told you all.
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« Reply #1290 on: February 06, 2008, 02:05:01 AM »
Told you all.

I'm sending bad mojo towards Cali's faultlines- you should get out yesterday.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1291 on: February 06, 2008, 02:09:32 AM »
I voted right.  Knew he wouldn't win anyways.

I hope the city council member I voted for for some reason wins though.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1292 on: February 06, 2008, 02:20:07 AM »
Haha if the Democrats go with Hillary they are doomed.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1293 on: February 06, 2008, 02:20:53 AM »
Will Federman: Right on the Super Bowl. Right on the economy. Right on the election.

HATERS OWNED.

Remember - I said Hillary would win the nomination, which would enable the Republicans to take the White House again.  They could pit Alan Specter against Hillary and still win.
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« Reply #1294 on: February 06, 2008, 02:56:29 AM »
Hillary's alleged divisiveness among Dems is overplayed by Obama fanboys IMO.  She's a strong candidate with a solid base (more solid than BHO's) and Dems will rally behind her.  Both candidates are extremely strong, all told.  McCain doesn't have a solid base at the moment, but again there's a long time until the election.  Going by "electability" (whatever the fuck that means) I still think Hillary is the better choice.  If you want a magical black man as your imaginary friend who didn't have a chance to vote on the Iraq war, then you have Hussein whatever-his-name.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1295 on: February 06, 2008, 02:58:52 AM »
America needs a magical black man.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1296 on: February 06, 2008, 03:05:14 AM »
I really think that Hillary is divisive enough to be unelectable :(
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« Reply #1297 on: February 06, 2008, 03:08:15 AM »
I think ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER tear up the Constitution and go - FUCK IT, I'M RUNNING!
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1298 on: February 06, 2008, 03:09:17 AM »
It all comes down to believing Republicans aren't particularly racist or nativistic.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1299 on: February 06, 2008, 03:10:09 AM »
But *man* they'll hold a grudge about trotting-out a health care pl.... oh wait.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1300 on: February 06, 2008, 03:15:47 AM »
man I am going on a date tomorrow with a Latasian. I bet she voted for Hillary twice.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1301 on: February 06, 2008, 03:24:52 AM »
man I am going on a date tomorrow with a Latasian. I bet she voted for Hillary twice.

Pics or it didn't happen.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1302 on: February 06, 2008, 03:26:35 AM »
Both Obama and Clinton are GOOD candidates. I dont think anyone really LOSES if either become president. HELL, its been so bad I even go 'ooh McCain, even worst case thats not so bad'

Id rather see Obama in the White House but if he doesnt make it thats fine, cause Hillary is basically running on the same platform that Edwards created for the potential democratic nominees.

I think what bothers me the most are the interviews ive seen with europeans sounding off on who they want in office and why:

"I think Hillary should cause i'd like to see a woman in the white house" -- yup, that was her complete reasoning. Someone send her some press shots of recent first ladies.

or the

"I dont like Romney cause he's boring" -- Wow. Just wow. Truth be told im sure MSNBC was doing what Europe does when they come over here and find the dumbest people.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1303 on: February 06, 2008, 07:05:08 AM »
California voted in Feinstein and Boxer decades ago just to put women in office. Obviously we haven't learned from history yet.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1304 on: February 06, 2008, 08:38:07 AM »
black men could vote before white women

so if a white woman is president before a black man, it would be a nice bit of scale tipping
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1305 on: February 06, 2008, 08:43:00 AM »
Um, Barack is only behind by 90 delegates.
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« Reply #1306 on: February 06, 2008, 09:35:51 AM »
i know

however i'm a romantic at heart and like things like karmic justice
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« Reply #1307 on: February 06, 2008, 12:20:58 PM »
The road of electability debates leads to madness.

The GOP wouldn't go easy on Obama, Triumph.  They never do.

Hillary's not necessarily more divisive.  She generally has high negatives and "would never vote for" numbers, but that's partly a decade and a half of Republican vitriol that Obama hasn't dealt with.

Maybe his numbers would do the same if subjected to that treatment, maybe not.  Bill was targeted just like Hillary, but has historically polled better than her (excepting the Monica incident where there was a wave of goodwill towards Hillary, IIRC).  But if Obama's the nominee, they will be aggressive, and there are people out there willing to believe bad things about him.

The flipside is that Hillary's willingness to fight dirty -- the reason Frag's backing her -- won't necessarily pay dividends.  I think there's a common bias that leads people to assume unpleasant methods of competing are more effective per se.[1]

More specifically, some Democrat activist types give Fairweather Genius Karl Rove and the Swift Boat attacks almost all the credit for Bush's success, and figure Democrats need to copy those tactics to win.  Maybe Hillary is more willing to take the gloves off, and maybe that would help.  But not everything that's vicious works.

Just like how people tend to overestimate their own knowledge of the candidates' personalities, I think they do the same with their ability to get elected.[2]  There's so little data, if any, to figure out how they would fare in a nationwide general election almost a year from now that it just confuses things.  Better to vote for who'd do the best job if they made it.

Besides, we all know Edwards was the most electable anyway.



[1] For further reference, see 90% of everything right-wingers write about war, detainment, interrogation, etc.

[2] Yes, there are obvious cases like Kucinich and Paul, but among the front runners it's a lot fuzzier.

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« Reply #1308 on: February 06, 2008, 12:24:27 PM »
Hillary won't win.  I already predicted this, Mandark.
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« Reply #1309 on: February 06, 2008, 12:25:29 PM »
I agree, Mandark. Hillary would not publicly hesitate to tear McCain down, Obama would at least try to appear that he isn't which isnt really going 'all in' to what is required to win the final contest. Feel Good politics only work with the young, all the baby boomers and old people eat up political gossip like mad.To Obama's credit his lack of experience saves him from a long history of fucks ups.

That being said id probably be happy enough with either Obama or Hillary, so the demo nominee isnt a huge concern for me. I am a little worried that McCain will blur the lines in the last vote and pull some dems over to his side. Sure, Huckabee would be a clear evil to democrats, but if he won omg consequences :(
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1310 on: February 06, 2008, 12:33:15 PM »
I'm so torn, I don't like any of the people in front.  We'll see how the actual presidential debates go.  I'm still hoping for Obama over Hillary she's such a bald faced liar.  :maf
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1311 on: February 06, 2008, 12:37:17 PM »
Hillary is more than willing to fight back, and has said so before. Hell Bill already started the subtle sniping with McCain a few weeks ago when he basically said Hillary and McCain were good buddies; conservatives already question McCain's credentials, and this only muddies the waters even more.

But as I foretold long before Willco: Hillary wouldn't beat McCain. Last night I lost a bit of confidence in that prediction due to McCain's rather unimpressive wins in places like Arizona, but I still think he'd be able to preform competitively with two key groups in November: hispanics and independents. Bush got around 44% of that vote in 2004, and I could see McCain gaining even more.

 
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« Reply #1312 on: February 06, 2008, 12:40:18 PM »
Nobody cares what you think.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1313 on: February 06, 2008, 12:41:17 PM »
Hillary won't win.  I already predicted this, Mandark.

You are correct, she will not win the nomination!
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1314 on: February 06, 2008, 12:41:34 PM »
You people are horrible at predicting stuff, i'd stop
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« Reply #1315 on: February 06, 2008, 12:43:08 PM »
You people are horrible at predicting stuff, i'd stop

Hey, I CALLED THE RECESSION.  I CALLED SUPER TUESDAY.  I CALLED THE SUPER BOWL.  When will you believe?

Here it is: Hillary wins the nomination and loses to McCain decisively in the general election.

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« Reply #1316 on: February 06, 2008, 12:44:45 PM »
yeah like the recession was hard to call
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #1317 on: February 06, 2008, 12:45:08 PM »
Hillary is more than willing to fight back, and has said so before. Hell Bill already started the subtle sniping with McCain a few weeks ago when he basically said Hillary and McCain were good buddies; conservatives already question McCain's credentials, and this only muddies the waters even more.

But as I foretold long before Willco: Hillary wouldn't beat McCain. Last night I lost a bit of confidence in that prediction due to McCain's rather unimpressive wins in places like Arizona, but I still think he'd be able to preform competitively with two key groups in November: hispanics and independents. Bush got around 44% of that vote in 2004, and I could see McCain gaining even more.

 

I always thought the Hispanic market was mostly democrat, no?
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« Reply #1318 on: February 06, 2008, 12:45:30 PM »
Another problem.  If primary voters decide that a female or black candidate will never win a general election (very understandable viewpoints, given the country's history) and vote against them for that reason, they're just creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.  It becomes sexism or racism by proxy.



I gotta agree with Willco, though.  At least on the PD issue.

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« Reply #1319 on: February 06, 2008, 12:45:49 PM »
I called it just days before it was official!  They said it occured THIS WEEK.  I am a soothsayer!

Microsoft buys Rare.  THAT WAS ME.

I'm like a goddamn fortune teller!
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